Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Approaches Its End-Game

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Approaches Its End-Game

Agents is rocketing towards next week's mid-season break -- and the big reveal of just what they've been chasing this whole time -- in "Ye Who Enter Here."

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Love the comments on other sites calling this episode racist "5 good white guys and the black guy gets it f**k Marvel!". I mean if they wanted to kill a black guy they should have done the other one he hasn't done anything all season.

Isn't this more or less Whedon's MO? Create a likable, nice character everyone naturally gravitates to, the brutally murder them for the sake of drama? It's funny, I never really thought much of him but possibly being killed off makes me think he grew on me a little after all. Maybe he's still alive just long enough to spill whatever it is he was talking about with Bobbi (please don't say she's pulling a triple-cross and they're both with Hydra)?

I too feel weirdly satisfied they finally name-checked the Kree even though news outlets announced as early as last week that it was going to happen. If we do get a 3rd or more Terrigen Mist-ed character, I wonder if it ends up being Bobbi or Ward and we actually get a super powered Mockingbird/Taskmaster after all. Or maybe it fixes Fitz too well and he becomes the world's first psychic?

Other thought: the word "worthy" got tossed around a bit, didn't it? It's probably a little too early, but my thought was since Thor 3 is subtitled "Ragnorok" and the Asgardians are in possession of rage-inducing tech similar to stuff that afflicted Mack, is it possible that we're going to start seeing strange hammers fall from the sky in season 3?

I guess Coulson and his crew weren't ready for a... Big Mack Attack.

It really felt like it was rocketing through as much plot as possible. Never mind the mid-season break, this felt like it was trying to get all the plot out before the series ended!

Wait. Everyone is acting like Mac is definitely dead. I'm sorry, but most TV shows have taught me that if you don't see the body, assume they are still alive.

Overall, this episode felt more like a setup than a real story. I think I'd feel a lot better about it if I had watched it and the next one back to back. I still liked it with since it built a lot of tension. Also, Skye's dream sequence was awesome.

Also, I know half the main cast is on the plane and all, but giving Hydra the key to using their genocide device is not worth saving the lives of the 6 main characters. Sorry, I just find it hard to believe that May wouldn't have outright shot Raina there just to stop Hydra from having her. Then she could have put a gun to Skye's head and told them she'll kill her too if they don't leave. No way Skye's dad (or War I think) would have allowed that. Worst case scenario is they all die, which IMO is still better than giving Hydra a way to use the Diviner.

Mike Hoffman:

My guess is that they will find him unconscious at the bottom of the pit

. The whole episode make it look like he had some personal issue with Bobbi and Hunter being back together (jealous of someone?), and that was a thread that they didn't got closed in the episode.

Burnouts3s3:
I guess Coulson and his crew weren't ready for a... Big Mack Attack.

Sir you win the internet for the day.

OT: I enjoyed the ep, but I am left wondering if the security mechanism gives super strength or just makes the recipient go all out removing all mental blocks the body puts in place to not destroy itself from sheer exertion.

Otherwise good stuff going to interesting places.

As for the secret that Bobbi is keeping, which is important now that she's back with Lance... I'm going to guess that she, while under cover in Hydra, had something to do with Hartley's death.

"Worst case scenario is they all die, which IMO is still better than giving Hydra a way to use the Diviner."

I don't see too much harm in handing them over in relation to using the Diviner. It also creates opportunities for Skye to mess with it. And I wonder if Skye-Dad can't also use it. Clearly he's not normal, and thus should be "worthy". Didn't he already touch it to reveal the map or is my memory messing with me?

I would make a bad SHIELD Agent. I would have shot Ward on sight. No question, no nothing. Skye could go over to the plain with HYDRA lacky number fifteen, but Ward would be dead.

Anyway, fun episode. I liked it, although I'm dreading the betrayal that I think is coming. Too many people keep giving each other knowing or concerned looks, so someone is going to do something stupid pretty soon I think.

Whitehall is going to burn. Please burn. Burn burn burn. And The Doctor will have his revenge.

ritchards:
It really felt like it was rocketing through as much plot as possible. Never mind the mid-season break, this felt like it was trying to get all the plot out before the series ended!

Seemed to me they where trying to tie up all the subplots for the midseason finale. I'm not sure if it is the case, but it looks like AoS won't be coming back until after Agent Carter is done its run, which means no new Shield for three months after next week.

Or I'm wrong and they just seem to be wrapping up the subplots for the second half of the season's sake. For all we know they'll have another major status quo shift like in season one.

I just found it unbelievable that Skye was able to hold her own against Agent 33. Nice fight scene but really, Skye's now not only the super computer hacker she's a master martial artist?

Winnosh:
I just found it unbelievable that Skye was able to hold her own against Agent 33. Nice fight scene but really, Skye's now not only the super computer hacker she's a master martial artist?

Not a master, but capable enough to fend off a mind-controlled 33 for a while? After months of being trained by May? A slight stretch, but I'll call it plausible enough for me.

bigfatcarp93:

Winnosh:
I just found it unbelievable that Skye was able to hold her own against Agent 33. Nice fight scene but really, Skye's now not only the super computer hacker she's a master martial artist?

Not a master, but capable enough to fend off a mind-controlled 33 for a while? After months of being trained by May? A slight stretch, but I'll call it plausible enough for me.

Yeah but this is the same 33 that put May through the wringer just a short while agi.

Winnosh:

bigfatcarp93:

Winnosh:
I just found it unbelievable that Skye was able to hold her own against Agent 33. Nice fight scene but really, Skye's now not only the super computer hacker she's a master martial artist?

Not a master, but capable enough to fend off a mind-controlled 33 for a while? After months of being trained by May? A slight stretch, but I'll call it plausible enough for me.

Yeah but this is the same 33 that put May through the wringer just a short while agi.

Yeah, and you've got to remember that she'd still lost :)
Hunter saved her ass!

Drake666:

Winnosh:

bigfatcarp93:

Not a master, but capable enough to fend off a mind-controlled 33 for a while? After months of being trained by May? A slight stretch, but I'll call it plausible enough for me.

Yeah but this is the same 33 that put May through the wringer just a short while agi.

Yeah, and you've got to remember that she'd still lost :)
Hunter saved her ass!

Yes she lost, but less than a year ago she didn't even know how to fight, vs someone who's got more than a decade at least of hard combat experience The fight shouldn't have even been close. Hell she was winning at the beginning.

Bob saying something nice about S.H.I.E.L.D. Season 1? That's different. I agree this was a good episode, and I don't want Mack to die. Raina, however, deserves it.

On bobbi:

RedDeadFred:
Wait. Everyone is acting like Mac is definitely dead. I'm sorry, but most TV shows have taught me that if you don't see the body, assume they are still alive.

Well that and we've already seen with the rage stick that going "berserk" seems to strengthen you physically, at least temporarily. It's possible the symbol etched into his hand turned him into a "temple guardian" type berserker.

Plus I'm pretty sure the 'next time' teaser:

MovieBob:
Also: Assuming that either next week or at some point when the season continues The Terrigen Mists get unleashed and suddenly the world is crawling with newly-empowered Inhumans... is that going to be Agents' new status quo? S.H.I.E.L.D. and HYDRA in a recruitment arms race? Because that could be fun.

Reminds me of the "new character intro" plot arc from Beast Wars. All the robots were "neutral" in orbit until their pods crashed to Earth, until whichever side (Maximals/Predacons) got to them first and recruited them.

I'm wondering if Mockingbird and Mac are working for SWORD? Keeping an eye on Coulson and team because they are suspected of being tied to aliens?

Skye is now, what, the 5th Romanov-level martial artist on the show? Loved the fight between her and Agent 33, plausibility be damned. When Mack first turned, my thinking was maybe this is how the MCU gets its version of Gorgon - it starts with super strength, ends with a 9 ft tall monster with hooves and a meanstreak.

I think given Skye's determination to not be a liability would give her a bigger drive now, especially as she plans to take down Ward. She isn't Cavalry or Black Widow level, but is one her way there.

Mac will probably die, as he needs to be 'out' so that Simmons won't drool over him, and Fitz will be forced to rebuild his connection to her. I think the whole set-up is nice to introduce the Inhumans and that part of the mythos.

Also, what were the flowers on Skye's dress in her dream sequence?

VoidWanderer:
Also, what were the flowers on Skye's dress in her dream sequence?

Reference to Raina perhaps?

I'm still confused about where all the remarks about Skye's father being a "monster" are coming from. The guy killed 2 dudes, who seemed to be criminals anyways, and that seems to be enough to proclaim him as this horrible monster.

Now I'm not saying it isn't warranted with what the audience knows, the whole slaughtering a village to get to her, but all that the agents knew when they branded him a monster was that he killed two people. Hell, May has probably killed three times that in the first season alone.

I'm still confused about where all the remarks about Skye's father being a "monster" are coming from. The guy killed 2 dudes, who seemed to be criminals anyways, and that seems to be enough to proclaim him as this horrible monster.

It's not simply the killing: it's the ripping apart limb by limb people who were in no shape or form a threat to him on a tamper tantrum.

jabrwock:

VoidWanderer:
Also, what were the flowers on Skye's dress in her dream sequence?

Reference to Raina perhaps?

I figured that, as they are probably related, but I am intrigued to find out what the flowers were.

fluxy100:
I'm still confused about where all the remarks about Skye's father being a "monster" are coming from. The guy killed 2 dudes, who seemed to be criminals anyways, and that seems to be enough to proclaim him as this horrible monster.

Now I'm not saying it isn't warranted with what the audience knows, the whole slaughtering a village to get to her, but all that the agents knew when they branded him a monster was that he killed two people. Hell, May has probably killed three times that in the first season alone.

No, they knew it was him that wiped out the village; Coulson and May heard that story from the sole remaining agent of that incident.

ritchards:
It really felt like it was rocketing through as much plot as possible. Never mind the mid-season break, this felt like it was trying to get all the plot out before the series ended!

I think they are trying to establish as much as possible before Avengers 2. There's a brief shot of a protest scene in the trailer that Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver seem to be either leading or are a part of. A lot have speculated that this is basically Inhumans protesting for equal rights, since Inhumans will be the mutant analog in the MCU. Of course, it could also be them hiding in a crowd while protesting the Avengers for unleashing Ultron.

TKretts3:
As for the secret that Bobbi is keeping, which is important now that she's back with Lance... I'm going to guess that she, while under cover in Hydra, had something to do with Hartley's death.

I doubt that, since Heartly was killed by Absorbing Man. Plus, that episode made it clear that Kreel was dealing directly with Whitehall's office. Of course, it's entirely possible that Bobbi was responsible for bringing Kreel to HYRDA, but I think it's more plausible that it's something else.

RedDeadFred:
Wait. Everyone is acting like Mac is definitely dead. I'm sorry, but most TV shows have taught me that if you don't see the body, assume they are still alive.

Especially with Joss Whedon. Seriously old characters in Buffy and Angel came back from the dead so much it was almost a drinking game. Not to mention this is a comic book universe, and nobody ever stays dead in those.

RedDeadFred:
Overall, this episode felt more like a setup than a real story. I think I'd feel a lot better about it if I had watched it and the next one back to back. I still liked it with since it built a lot of tension. Also, Skye's dream sequence was awesome.

I'm mostly annoyed with how Simmons yet again, didn't talk to Fitz. Maybe it's just me, but I really hate it when stories have a character trying to tell someone something but only to ha...*phone rings* Sorry, hold that thought *answers phone* Ok where was I? Oh yes, only to ha...*person comes into room and distracts him* Sorry, one second. *deals with person* As I was saying, only to ha...*person I was going to talk to leaves*....oh..nevermind, I guess it wasn't important or anything. I'll just leave things unsaid, even though this will probably make things worse.

Happyninja42:

RedDeadFred:
Wait. Everyone is acting like Mac is definitely dead. I'm sorry, but most TV shows have taught me that if you don't see the body, assume they are still alive.

Especially with Joss Whedon. Seriously old characters in Buffy and Angel came back from the dead so much it was almost a drinking game. Not to mention this is a comic book universe, and nobody ever stays dead in those.

RedDeadFred:
Overall, this episode felt more like a setup than a real story. I think I'd feel a lot better about it if I had watched it and the next one back to back. I still liked it with since it built a lot of tension. Also, Skye's dream sequence was awesome.

I'm mostly annoyed with how Simmons yet again, didn't talk to Fitz. Maybe it's just me, but I really hate it when stories have a character trying to tell someone something but only to ha...*phone rings* Sorry, hold that thought *answers phone* Ok where was I? Oh yes, only to ha...*person comes into room and distracts him* Sorry, one second. *deals with person* As I was saying, only to ha...*person I was going to talk to leaves*....oh..nevermind, I guess it wasn't important or anything. I'll just leave things unsaid, even though this will probably make things worse.

Ya, using plot inconvenience to pad the story is quite annoying. Let's hope they finally get some resolution tonight!

spoonybard.hahs:

fluxy100:
I'm still confused about where all the remarks about Skye's father being a "monster" are coming from. The guy killed 2 dudes, who seemed to be criminals anyways, and that seems to be enough to proclaim him as this horrible monster.

Now I'm not saying it isn't warranted with what the audience knows, the whole slaughtering a village to get to her, but all that the agents knew when they branded him a monster was that he killed two people. Hell, May has probably killed three times that in the first season alone.

No, they knew it was him that wiped out the village; Coulson and May heard that story from the sole remaining agent of that incident.

Then again, it was HYDRA agents within SHIELD raiding the village on behalf of Whitehall, so it's possible there's a truth somewhere in the middle. The team wiped out the village looking for "specials", and then he slaughtered the team while tracking down his wife. Or murdered the village for failing to protect her.

Could be all sorts of "truths", he's an unstable nutcase.

 

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