Legend of Korra: Gun-damn It, Kuvira

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Legend of Korra: Gun-damn It, Kuvira

Turn off your brain and have some fun - "Kuvira's Gambit" sacrifices logic for spectacle.

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I hope somebody's ready to pick up that phone, because I fucking called it. Giant robot, laser cannon would be mounted on it. Looking forward to how that all unfolds.

MrHide-Patten:
I hope somebody's ready to pick up that phone, because I fucking called it. Giant robot, laser cannon would be mounted on it. Looking forward to how that all unfolds.

Yeah as soon as I saw the last two episodes were called day of colossus and the last stand I knew that giant mech would be coming. I'm hoping we actually get to see the united republic military do something for once but odds are we're going to get the usual team avatar sneaks aboard enemy doom weapon and solves all the problems storyline with the spirits coming in at the last second to save the day.

Also in all honesty if we all remember that giant drill used to try and breach Ba Sing Se the jump to Metal Gear Kurava isn't that big. Giant siege weapons have been used before in this univerese so naturally them showing up again isn't that surprising.

Sadly, they kind of took the ambiguity out of how they are going to deal with the giant robot. Seriously though, Kuvira's boyfriend was a bad enough engineer that he wouldn't notice sabotage, but good enough to build that monstrosity /while/ working on recreating the spirit vine weapon? Either a lot more time has passed then I thought, or that dude is a real miracle worker, in which case I'd think he would be of such strategic worth that I find it hard to believe Kivira would just sacrifice him in such a hurry.

My guess is he didn't actually designed or built that thing. But hey, only time will tell.

Mike Hoffman:
Legend of Korra: Gun-damn It, Kuvira

Turn off your brain and have some fun - "Kuvira's Gambit" sacrifices logic for spectacle.

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The fire nation military wasn't involved, General Iroh is a member of the united republic's military not the fire nation.

I said this in the other Korra thread, and I'll say it here: I'm betting that Kuvira gets thrown into those forgetful mists in the spirit world. If they (the writers) let her off just by throwing her in prison or seeing the error of her ways, I'm going to be very disappointed. I already didn't like how the ended the threat of the Fire Lord. Kuvira needs to go the way of Amon--gone, with no chance of coming back. And they can do it, too. They killed the first two main villains, so they clearly don't have the same problem they did with Avatar, where death was kind of frowned upon.

Davroth:
Sadly, they kind of took the ambiguity out of how they are going to deal with the giant robot. Seriously though, Kuvira's boyfriend was a bad enough engineer that he wouldn't notice sabotage, but good enough to build that monstrosity /while/ working on recreating the spirit vine weapon? Either a lot more time has passed then I thought, or that dude is a real miracle worker, in which case I'd think he would be of such strategic worth that I find it hard to believe Kivira would just sacrifice him in such a hurry.

My guess is he didn't actually designed or built that thing. But hey, only time will tell.

To be fair, there's nothing saying that he just started working on it. After all, even without an arm-mounted laser cannon, a giant mech seems like it'd be pretty useful. And for all the talk about Bataar being a bad engineer, there hasn't really been much to show that.

The only time he actually comes across as even slightly incompetent is when Varick turned the weapon into a bomb on the train, and even then the only thing he messed up on was Varick's intentions. He was able to evaluate the mechanics and design as "feeding into itself" or whatever, he just didn't understand why Varick had designed it that way before Varick told him immediately after.

LifeCharacter:

Davroth:
Sadly, they kind of took the ambiguity out of how they are going to deal with the giant robot. Seriously though, Kuvira's boyfriend was a bad enough engineer that he wouldn't notice sabotage, but good enough to build that monstrosity /while/ working on recreating the spirit vine weapon? Either a lot more time has passed then I thought, or that dude is a real miracle worker, in which case I'd think he would be of such strategic worth that I find it hard to believe Kivira would just sacrifice him in such a hurry.

My guess is he didn't actually designed or built that thing. But hey, only time will tell.

To be fair, there's nothing saying that he just started working on it. After all, even without an arm-mounted laser cannon, a giant mech seems like it'd be pretty useful. And for all the talk about Bataar being a bad engineer, there hasn't really been much to show that.

The only time he actually comes across as even slightly incompetent is when Varick turned the weapon into a bomb on the train, and even then the only thing he messed up on was Varick's intentions. He was able to evaluate the mechanics and design as "feeding into itself" or whatever, he just didn't understand why Varick had designed it that way before Varick told him immediately after.

Again, he was sabotaged right under his nose and didn't notice it at all. It took Kuvira getting suspicious to stop that. Doesn't really speak for his competence in my mind.

Davroth:
Again, he was sabotaged right under his nose and didn't notice it at all. It took Kuvira getting suspicious to stop that. Doesn't really speak for his competence in my mind.

Well he had no reason to go and inspect the workings of the cannon in case Varick was sabotaging it because why would he? There wasn't really a reason to believe Varick would try and blow himself up before he, you know, tried to blow himself up and that's really the only kind of sabotage they needed to worry about while on a train. That, or the sabotage was something Varick could have done the day it went off.

I've got to do a video review of this season sometime. I've been saving the episodes on my laptop for that purpose, but I'm still very unsure of where or how to start. I just need to get my message out there! This show is stupid! It is terribly written, the scenes are terribly blocked, and the only reason me and my roommate keep watching it is occasionally the season will surpass its consistently mediocre self with an episode so terrible its infuriatingly hilarious. The only episodes I enjoy anymore are the ones that make me feel a bit dumber after watching, at least they aren't BORING. I long ago gave up any hope of this season providing an episode that was enjoyable for the normal reasons.

My biggest complain from the episode was the lack of Zhi Li/ Varrick resolves given that was a WEEK before Kuvira attacked! Did those two keep their distance during that week and were only closed together when Kuvira attacked.

Also I thought Bataar give in too easily when Korra threaten him she will keep him away from Kuvira forever. Did she really think she was able to do that on a run and he didn't had faith that Kuvira would hound Korra night and day to bring him back to her (well sending her gooms to get Korra)?

Oh is this the first death we seen of season 4 (the outpost being destroy and man, kid friendly for the beam not directly hitting the ship but by nearing it!). Also I doubt that is the last we seen of the flying mecha suits. I'm pretty sure that Prince Wu will be crown as Emperor by the end of it (he seen to have the biggest character development so far).

Lastly the part when the awkward wait and delay on Jr on the airship crack me up!

I'm going to hold off talking about the episode in general because people will do a far better job than I.

That said, I have one thing to say. One thing that has bugged me since The Last Airbender. WHY IN HELL'S NAME DO EARTHBENDERS NOT USE PITFALL TRAPS EVER?! I don't recall a single moment where they use them and their powers are geared specifically for that. Tanks, mecha-tanks and that giant robot; all of them could be defeated by a hole with a thin layer of stone above them. Trip that giant robot and you would cripple it even if the metal benders can fix it quicker than is reasonable. I was equally irritated in the first book of Korra when they did not do that against those tanks of Amon and it is pissing me off at this point. They could have turned that entire valley into a death trap but they did not because of what reasons? Because it was unsportsmanlike behaviour? It is war damn it!

Rant over, peace.

Why is it that when I read " LoK director" in an artice about Legend of Korra, the first thing I think is "What does a Legacy of Kain director to do with Avatar?"

Also, I liked the episode. The giant robot was a bit of a surprise, but now I'm expecting a giant Korra vs mech showdown.

MiskWisk:
I'm going to hold off talking about the episode in general because people will do a far better job than I.

That said, I have one thing to say. One thing that has bugged me since The Last Airbender. WHY IN HELL'S NAME DO EARTHBENDERS NOT USE PITFALL TRAPS EVER?! I don't recall a single moment where they use them and their powers are geared specifically for that. Tanks, mecha-tanks and that giant robot; all of them could be defeated by a hole with a thin layer of stone above them. Trip that giant robot and you would cripple it even if the metal benders can fix it quicker than is reasonable. I was equally irritated in the first book of Korra when they did not do that against those tanks of Amon and it is pissing me off at this point. They could have turned that entire valley into a death trap but they did not because of what reasons? Because it was unsportsmanlike behaviour? It is war damn it!

Rant over, peace.

Doesn't Kuvira have an entire army of earthbenders as well, that can detect said traps and counter them?

Scarim Coral:
My biggest complain from the episode was the lack of Zhi Li/ Varrick resolves given that was a WEEK before Kuvira attacked! Did those two keep their distance during that week and were only closed together when Kuvira attacked.

The worst thing is that they could have easily nipped it in the bud by just not having the conflict in the first place. She comes back, he remains comically oblivious, they settle into their old routines except he unexpectedly shows appreciation for her. Bam, conflict solved.

Also I thought Bataar give in too easily when Korra threaten him she will keep him away from Kuvira forever. Did she really think she was able to do that on a run and he didn't had faith that Kuvira would hound Korra night and day to bring him back to her (well sending her gooms to get Korra)?

I said this in the other Episode 11 thread, but the threats really could have been made more seriously and demonstrably. I'm not sure whether it was Nick's kid-friendly vibe conflicting with the story or whether the writers just performed that badly, but it really was a painful scene to watch.

Oh is this the first death we seen of season 4 (the outpost being destroy and man, kid friendly for the beam not directly hitting the ship but by nearing it!).
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I'm pretty sure that Prince Wu will be crown as Emperor by the end of it (he seen to have the biggest character development so far).

1.) I particularly liked the scene of the outpost getting demolished by the laser. That's about as clear-cut as you can get.

2.) I hope he doesn't, though I agree he probably will. His character development comes across as impossibly forced to me, but mostly I just hope against all odds that he doesn't get the throne. Install Asami in his place. She'd be a great empress.

LifeCharacter:

Davroth:
Again, he was sabotaged right under his nose and didn't notice it at all. It took Kuvira getting suspicious to stop that. Doesn't really speak for his competence in my mind.

Well he had no reason to go and inspect the workings of the cannon in case Varick was sabotaging it because why would he? There wasn't really a reason to believe Varick would try and blow himself up before he, you know, tried to blow himself up and that's really the only kind of sabotage they needed to worry about while on a train. That, or the sabotage was something Varick could have done the day it went off.

I was talking about Zhu Li's sabotage, not Varrick's.

to everyone that thought the giant EVA unit was a little out of place.. remember this. they already had smaller humanoid mecha tanks that Varrik helped redesign... given that Kuvira had been planning on taking over the world for a long time now it is really that hard to believe that she could have had a giant, scaled up version of a humanoid mecha tank built?

crazygameguy4ever:
to everyone that thought the giant EVA unit was a little out of place..

Why do people always jump to evangelion whenever there are giant robots in anything?

daibakuha:

crazygameguy4ever:
to everyone that thought the giant EVA unit was a little out of place..

Why do people always jump to evangelion whenever there are giant robots in anything?

cause the review of the episode already mentioned gundam,lagaan and several other giant robots.. and because Neon Genesis Evangelion was the first anime featuring giant robots I ever saw.. that's the anime i always think of when it comes to giant robots

Personally I'm quite shocked this avatar promotes kidnapping, "enhanced interrogation," and indefinite imprisonment over having to commit physical violence anymore.

Davroth:
I was talking about Zhu Li's sabotage, not Varrick's.

Zhu Li was what amounts to his second in command while building a giant machine. It's not exactly fair to hold him accountable for not checking the entire thing for possible sabotage when it's in the middle of a military base and it's being committed by a high ranking officer/engineer who he probably delegates to. And after he found that one piece was broken, he had the entire thing checked.

On the day of the demonstration, Zhu Li basically ripped out a piece right before it was to be fired (as she didn't have the time to get rid of it), so how was he supposed to stop that or catch that before the firing?

You know what? Stupid is fine, if it is good stupid. This is that. As out of the blue as it kinda was, watching that mech tear stuff up is awesome!

daibakuha:

crazygameguy4ever:
to everyone that thought the giant EVA unit was a little out of place..

Why do people always jump to evangelion whenever there are giant robots in anything?

I dont know why people do it for other things, but for this specific instance it's pretty obvious. The lanky tall skinny stature of the mecha is pretty perfectly EVA. All it's missing is the shoulder fins.

LifeCharacter:

Davroth:
I was talking about Zhu Li's sabotage, not Varrick's.

Zhu Li was what amounts to his second in command while building a giant machine. It's not exactly fair to hold him accountable for not checking the entire thing for possible sabotage when it's in the middle of a military base and it's being committed by a high ranking officer/engineer who he probably delegates to. And after he found that one piece was broken, he had the entire thing checked.

On the day of the demonstration, Zhu Li basically ripped out a piece right before it was to be fired (as she didn't have the time to get rid of it), so how was he supposed to stop that or catch that before the firing?

Zhu Li supposedly had sabotaged him the entire time to slow down the development of the weapon while she gathered intelligence. At least that's what I thought happened. Be that as it may, it's kind of ridiculous that he supposedly build the laser under top priority while simultaneously devoloping a unprecedented titanic robot suit.

Davroth:
Zhu Li supposedly had sabotaged him the entire time to slow down the development of the weapon while she gathered intelligence. At least that's what I thought happened. Be that as it may, it's kind of ridiculous that he supposedly build the laser under top priority while simultaneously devoloping a unprecedented titanic robot suit.

I don't really recall if it said anything about her sabotaging the cannon all along the way, but considering how quickly they managed to build it it the sabotage couldn't have been that overt or effective. And, as I said in my first post, they never said that Bataar just started working on the giant mech. He could have been working on it for quite a long time since giant mechs seem like they'd be pretty useful even without a giant laser.

Dammit, Shinji! You give Kamina a bad name!

OT: If there's one thing I took from this episode is that maybe, just maybe, my MakoXWu ship may come true in the end... Other than that, I guess it's time to go all "Attack on Titan" on that Gundam Unit-00...

daibakuha:

crazygameguy4ever:
to everyone that thought the giant EVA unit was a little out of place..

Why do people always jump to evangelion whenever there are giant robots in anything?

In this case, because the Eva reference is obvious:

Though to be fair, the design silhouette is more reminiscent of the Jet Alone than the actual Evas themselves.

The Giant robot is pretty silly but not completely beyond belief. What IS beyond belief is that they built it without anybody noticing.

I mean, do we not have SPIES or something?! Even Amon managed to build a freaking airport in the hills without anybody noticeing and an underground lair in the mansion. It feels like maybe the good guys should start using subterfuge because the Metal Gear arrived before anybody noticed, meybe we should have scouts? Spies? Informants? Saboteurs? Ju-Li did it pro-bono. Speaking of which how come she never got to see it? Are you telling me Glasses managed to build the gun and the giant robot at the same time? Where were they hiding it? What hanger is large enough to conceal such a thing? Even if you stored the parts separately like a lego project how do you fit it all together in a week?

Mr Companion:
The Giant robot is pretty silly but not completely beyond belief. What IS beyond belief is that they built it without anybody noticing.

I mean, do we not have SPIES or something?! Even Amon managed to build a freaking airport in the hills without anybody noticeing and an underground lair in the mansion. It feels like maybe the good guys should start using subterfuge because the Metal Gear arrived before anybody noticed, meybe we should have scouts? Spies? Informants? Saboteurs? Ju-Li did it pro-bono. Speaking of which how come she never got to see it? Are you telling me Glasses managed to build the gun and the giant robot at the same time? Where were they hiding it? What hanger is large enough to conceal such a thing? Even if you stored the parts separately like a lego project how do you fit it all together in a week?

Might not have noticed but the good guy leaders arent the brightest bulbs in the bunch.
1.They dont lift a finger to stop Kuvira, even while she is standing right in front of them, spilling her whole plan and world view into a microphone for everyone to hear.
2. The leader of Republic City waits till word that Kuvira is 2 weeks away to even begin planning the defence of his city.
3. It takes Prince Wu to suggest an evacuation plan.
4. Their entire defence relies on rapidly constructed, not tested, flying mech suits.

But as to the hiding it part. They're earth benders. Lets just assume they assembled it underground or inside a mountain.

I'm just annoyed at this point. Seriously, Kuvira is just nothing but a cold bitch who wants power. She is evil, I'd honestly say no better than Vaatu, Vaatu just had more power and capabilities. Seriously, out of all the Avatar villains, I want her dead the most. I thought I hated Unaloq, but this bitch, this bitch right here.

Scytail:
Personally I'm quite shocked this avatar promotes kidnapping, "enhanced interrogation," and indefinite imprisonment over having to commit physical violence anymore.

That was a really blatant example of the show running into the boundaries of kids TV.

Also, how great is that giant robot!?! I can't wait to see avatar state-Korra go up against it, it's gonna be like evangelion up in this bitch! Avatar is clearly trying to become the anime singularity before it ends, lol.

Mr Companion:
The Giant robot is pretty silly but not completely beyond belief. What IS beyond belief is that they built it without anybody noticing.

I mean, do we not have SPIES or something?! Even Amon managed to build a freaking airport in the hills without anybody noticeing and an underground lair in the mansion. It feels like maybe the good guys should start using subterfuge because the Metal Gear arrived before anybody noticed, meybe we should have scouts? Spies? Informants? Saboteurs? Ju-Li did it pro-bono. Speaking of which how come she never got to see it? Are you telling me Glasses managed to build the gun and the giant robot at the same time? Where were they hiding it? What hanger is large enough to conceal such a thing? Even if you stored the parts separately like a lego project how do you fit it all together in a week?

I would assume that anyone even suspected of spying for the republic or other nations are now spending all their time in re-education camps.
The entire regime is highly mistrusting of outsiders.

and your lego project concept isn't too unrealistic when you consider the number of earth/metalbenders involved. I mean assembling it in pieces has to be true for the gun which they just finished in any case.

anway I Think the giant mech is awesome and I am glad they kept it for a surprise reveal. I will be sad when it is deus ex machina'ed out of commission in true avatar style. along with Kuvira
All hail the great uniter!

Alex1508:

MiskWisk:
I'm going to hold off talking about the episode in general because people will do a far better job than I.

That said, I have one thing to say. One thing that has bugged me since The Last Airbender. WHY IN HELL'S NAME DO EARTHBENDERS NOT USE PITFALL TRAPS EVER?! I don't recall a single moment where they use them and their powers are geared specifically for that. Tanks, mecha-tanks and that giant robot; all of them could be defeated by a hole with a thin layer of stone above them. Trip that giant robot and you would cripple it even if the metal benders can fix it quicker than is reasonable. I was equally irritated in the first book of Korra when they did not do that against those tanks of Amon and it is pissing me off at this point. They could have turned that entire valley into a death trap but they did not because of what reasons? Because it was unsportsmanlike behaviour? It is war damn it!

Rant over, peace.

Doesn't Kuvira have an entire army of earthbenders as well, that can detect said traps and counter them?

IIRC that is an advanced skill for earthbenders but, assuming she has a few as early warning systems, the design is still hopelessly flawed. Ignoring the fact that they have to have metalbenders to stop it collapsing under its own weight that gun was developed in an extremely short time and the recoil should topple it every time it fires. It doesn't even brace for a shot or change its weight distribution. Not to mention a good distraction or a surprise attack and a couple of earthbenders could make a pit directly under the feet before it could do anything. With its size and weight, a fall should cripple the machine as getting it upright will be a nightmare.

The show did set up the idea of a giant metal thing earlier this season with the metal domes of Zoafu being taken down. Being a mecha fan myself, I don't mind the inclusion of a giant robot. Unfortunately, whatever studio is responsible for their mechanical animation isn't up to the task. The rolling mech-suits from season one are appropriately clunky when they move, and the martial arts and bending animations have been great overall. The streamlined suits of season 4 however, are poorly animated. They're incongruous with the rest of the animation and don't move with the sense of weight that they should. The suits more bounce along in a fashion that would be more suitable to the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man. This problem is exacerbated by the the massive scale the robot. They animate an arm or leg moving into position for balance, but we never see the whole thing move or take a stance believably. Maybe the next episode with remedy that as they figure out what animations work best, but they've had all season to get the smaller suits worked out and have yet to succeed.

I expect that they're trying to enforce artificial tension by presenting the robot as unstoppable. They'll let the conflict play out, but I'll be shocked if they don't just tip it over at some point. It's just too easy to knock over. A giant tank would be more useful. The Fire Nation built a giant train drill, so why not a tank with the cannon concealed and protected by a dome? (Obviously because they wanted a big mech.) They may further escalate the drama by having it stand up under the control of an incensed Kuvira, but that machine is going to fall over.

never expected the Iron Giant to appear in LoK, still now at least we know who sent them to Earth :P

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