The Big Picture: Legend of Many

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Legend of Many

Nintendo shouldn't be scared to make another live-action series.

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In case people are wondering why this isn't an episode on the new Spider-Man stuff, here's why:

I'm guessing next week. Or an article on Friday. Or both.

I really hope they can make this work.

I'm really on the fence about this.

On the one hand, I'd LOVE to see a Metriod movie come out of this.

On the other hand, Netflix is about 50/50 when it comes to series for me.

I'm on board for a Zelda series for sure.

But in my Genie of the Game Cartridge wish category, what I'd really love to see is a Zelda game where they take the trappings and other LoZ accouterments and use them in a sci-fi setting. Master Sword? Laser sword or Light-saber. Tri-Force? Holocrons a-la Star Wars. Ganon? Alien pig creature. And Epona is Link's spaceship. ;)

Why would Nintendo pull out of this deal? Seems like a win-win from their standpoint and not nearly as risky as their other cross media ventures.

Marter:
Snip.

I'm more curious as to why people thought it would be about the Spider-Man stuff today.

OT: I basically agree on it being easy to make something faithful to TLoZ, and I guess on the whole even if I probably wouldn't indulge in the product much.

Zelda definitely seems like the best series to make into well.... a series. Like MovieBob said, since the universe of Zelda is so diverse and maleable it'll be less about trying to recreate scenes from a particular game and more about creating a good story.

Burnouts3s3:
Why would Nintendo pull out of this deal? Seems like a win-win from their standpoint and not nearly as risky as their other cross media ventures.

After the flop of the Super Mario Bros. Movie Nintendo has rejected any idea pitched to them about making a movie based on their main franchises. They do seem to be getting better though, since they are letting their characters cameo on other movies like Wreck-it Ralph and that movie Bob mentioned in the video. Perhaps The Big N is warming up to the idea of making movie adaptations again and this Zelda show is them testing the waters.

Marter:
I'm guessing next week. Or an article on Friday. Or both.

I'm expecting all of that, but every Tuesday and Friday from now until March..

Imagine all the "Hey, Listen!" GIF's we'd get!!! :D
It'd be "Hail Hydra" all over again! ;)

In this age...where dragons roam and the darkness creeps further every day, we need a hero.
A hero to rise up and stand against the evils of the world...
A hero......

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like Groose.

Seriously though, my only hope that Link stays a silent protagonist. Yeah, it will be hard to do....
Rise to the challenge then.
Maybe even have a series where Link isn't the protagonist. Where Link is in the background doing all the cool stuff while others are holding down the homefront.

Nintendo hasn't even been confirmed as having heard the pitch. All reports point to someone at the Wall Street Journal got word that someone at Netflix has an idea for a pitch to Nintendo about a Legend of Zelda series that would be a family friendly version of Game of Thrones. That's it. There's no writer attached, there's nothing beyond that. It sounds to me like this is a pipe dream for Netflix and not much else.

Personally I could get on board with this if it wasn't trying to be a family friendly version of Game of Thrones. Game of Thrones is about watching multiple tales weave together to tell one large story that is more about character interactions and relationships than action or adventuring. Legend of Zelda on the other hand is about one hero's journey to save the princess/kingdom from a great evil that seeks to destroy everything good in the land of Hyrule. Hate to say this but those story telling setups don't work that well together unless Netflix intends to pull focus from Link and Zelda by bringing in side characters no one cares about which sounds like a surefire way to get Nintendo to run for the hills and upset fans.

This needs to be approached in a similar fashion to something like Star Wars which centers around a main character (Luke or in this case Link) but also deals with a supporting cast that grows as the movies go on. In this case it could be as the season progresses Link finds himself being aided by the likes of Zelda, Impa, Sheik, and any other supporting characters they might want to use from the extension history the series has. Let these side characters be part of the story but never fully the focus as this needs to be about Link and his battle against Ganon.

I'm fine with them going for the TV series route than a movie. If it was going to be a movie, it would had been trim down alot mainly looking for the 7 sage/ powerup/ item part of the game. I mean e.g. that awful animated Iron Man movie had the Mandarin only wearing 5 rings not 10.

Lara Croft especially sucked in the reboot, how can anyone say it was an improvement?

As usual, Bob manages to offer intelligent, entertaining insight into things that are not video games. When he's not talking about something directly associated with the current state of the video game industry and/or Nintendo, he not only sounds perfectly sane, but also legitimately passionate and well-informed. But then he has to talk about video games, and that all goes out the window.

Bob you actually hit the nail on the head about why I've never gone wild about the Zelda franchise, its malleability. Links not interesting, zelda isn't interesting, and Gannondorf is the most interesting without being interesting and everything else is up to the creator at the time and if thats all it takes to make a Zelda world then thats a shallow well to draw from. BUT I also didn't have N64 growing up and the last Zelda game I played was Link to the past so what do I care. LET YOU HAVE YOUR SERIES!

inu-kun:
Lara Croft especially sucked in the reboot, how can anyone say it was an improvement?

You are talking about the guy who made two videos in defense of Other M...

Rakor:

Seriously though, my only hope that Link stays a silent protagonist. Yeah, it will be hard to do....

I'm kind of on Bob's ship with this one. No, Link should not be silent because he clearly talks and interacts with characters. We just never see the dialogue box or hear him speak. I mean when they made Pokemon could you imagine how boring the show would've been if they tried to make Ash a silent protagonist simply because in the games Red never technically has a dialogue box but interacts with the other characters.

Hell Pokemon The Origin did make Red speak and that was more or less and truly faithful adaptation of the game's storyline. Link should speak and the notion that he shouldn't because he "doesn't" in the games is stupid. I mean if they made a Half Life or Portal movie would you really expect them to make Gordon Freeman and Chell silent?

Eh, I'm not a fan of the idea of live action Zelda, if only because, with the exception of Twilight Princess, the series seems for the most part too stylized and colourful to really be captured in live action without looking too silly.

I mean, just look at that image of Groose from earlier in the thread. Groose is amazing, but can you imagine trying to make someone look like that in live action? I just can't picture it. Not to mention, considering you see more monsters than humans in Zelda, if it was live action I imagine you'd have to either cut most of the critters out, or they'd have to have some pretty sub-par special effects to portray them all and stay on budget.

Honestly, the only Nintendo franchise I've ever been able to properly envision in live action is Metroid, as it always had the more realistic looking style to begin with.

The most important starting off point will be the character arch-types they choose for the big three. The think the biggest reason that the existing American cartoon and Philips CD-i games are as maligned as they is because of how unlikable the characters and their interactions are. Of course, cookie cutter characters would make for a dull story, but its a starting point. Link could be like Frodo or Jon Snow. Zelda could be like Galadriel or Red Sonja. Ganon could be like Sauron or Francis Underwood. They can build a good show, but they cornerstones need to be figured out FIRST.

Keji Goto:
Nintendo hasn't even been confirmed as having heard the pitch. All reports point to someone at the Wall Street Journal got word that someone at Netflix has an idea for a pitch to Nintendo about a Legend of Zelda series that would be a family friendly version of Game of Thrones. That's it. There's no writer attached, there's nothing beyond that. It sounds to me like this is a pipe dream for Netflix and not much else.

Yeah, if the rumor is true in the first place (which I doubt). I mean I hear all the time about people trying to throw pitches at Nintendo in order to get ahold of the film or television rights to their games only to be shot down instantly. Heck, just last year we saw a pitch video for a CGI Zelda cartoon that Nintendo turned down. Let's face it, we'll never see Mario, Samus, Link, Captain Falcon, Marth, Pit, etc in live action. Mostly because there is no point to it. They don't need that to justify their existence because they stand on their own as gaming icons. And of course because they see all the other godawful gaming adaptations and rightfully say "nuts to that BS" because producers have clearly shown that they don't know how to handle the material. Probably best we forget about this because it's just pointless.

inu-kun:
Lara Croft especially sucked in the reboot, how can anyone say it was an improvement?

Well, even if you didn't like the new Lara Croft in the reboot (I was more or less ambivalent myself) it's not as if she had all that much of a personality in the prior games to begin with. So I'm glad they at least attempted to make the protagonist a bit more interesting, considering the old Lara was little more than an animated pair of walking tits with a cocky grin.

As for the LoZ series, I think it'd be cool if they tried. Oh, I'd be surprised if it was any good, but it's worth the attempt, as the potential is definitely present. And if it sucks, no real harm done. I mean, it can't be as bad as "EXCUUUUUUUUUSSSSEE ME PRIN-"

Shut the fuck up, Link.

As long as they don't portray Link as a smarmy jack-ass, I'm on board.

Ahri_Blaze:
I mean if they made a Half Life or Portal movie would you really expect them to make Gordon Freeman and Chell silent?

Chell being silent could work, but the games are structured in such a way that there's the strong possibility that she's canonically mute, and that could be written for. The same wouldn't work for Gordon Freeman, who is obviously interacting with other people.

OT: I want a CGI cartoon starring Samus Aran. Make it stylized CGI and have her rarely (or better, never) out of armor.

Now, I'm just speculating here... but wouldn't it just be wild if Bob DOESN'T do a Big Picture over the new Spider-man news? Like, to throw all of us for a loop?

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..... That's going to be a fun one. Can't wait.

Roger:

inu-kun:
Lara Croft especially sucked in the reboot, how can anyone say it was an improvement?

You are talking about the guy who made two videos in defense of Other M...

In Bob's defense, he thinks that any series attempt at character development is better than a lack of it.

Which he just happens to be wrong about that. We all know how it went when they last tried that with Link...

Well excuuuuuuuuuse me princess.

Bob, sometimes its better to never try than it is to try and fail. I would've thought that you would have realized this, what with The Amazing Spider-Man 1 and 2 being things that exist.

00.30 Personally I dont think they were perfectly serviceable, maybe during the eighties but that was only because the bar was set so low.

With that said why the hell isn't Nintendo making some new cartoons? I would love to see a kid icarus Zelda or mario cartoon, most of the people currently working in animation are already heavily influenced by classic Nintendo games(looking at you adventure time), so I don't get the feeling they would phone it in like they did during the eighties.

As far as tv video game adaption's go there are some video games I would like to see adapted before Zelda(ace attorney), but assuming its good i'm not opposed to a Zelda live action series.

Give me a Master Sword, I'll win this war for ya!

Also, I'd go a little more fringe in the shooting location and go for Germany. Or Italy. Or Spain.

And Zelda will be played by Zelda Williams.

Yay shameless self-promotion!
I'm OK with Legend of Zelda being a "starting point" for other adaptations of Nintendo properties (which are, at their core, WEEEEIIIIIIRRRRRRD!!!) since its high fantasy setting makes it the most accessible with the popularity of LotR, The Hobbit, and GoT. And I don't care how many fanboys complain, Link has to talk to other people, with words, and he can use any hand he likes for his sword. As long as they don't make it grim-n-gritty and grimdark its tits off, because that's getting ludicrous now.

ryukage_sama:
Zelda could be like Galadriel or Red Sonja.

My god...WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!

Just because they say "Game of Thrones", doesn't actually mean the show will be like Game of Thrones.

They want to compare it to fantasy that is really popular with the general public.

They're not gonna say "Our show is going to be like Krull".

MarsAtlas:

Roger:

inu-kun:
Lara Croft especially sucked in the reboot, how can anyone say it was an improvement?

You are talking about the guy who made two videos in defense of Other M...

In Bob's defense, he thinks that any series attempt at character development is better than a lack of it.

Which he just happens to be wrong about that. We all know how it went when they last tried that with Link...

Well excuuuuuuuuuse me princess.

Bob, sometimes its better to never try than it is to try and fail. I would've thought that you would have realized this, what with The Amazing Spider-Man 1 and 2 being things that exist.

At least we got something definitely good from Samus' attempt of character development in Other M: a perfect example of how not to do it. I won't condone them for trying, but I'll certainly complain if they don't learn from the existing mistakes.

Someone should probably fix the title at some point. It's supposed to be "Legend of Maybe."

And Zelda will be played by Zelda Williams.

Naaaaah: give her Midna: she already showed that she knows how to do the unhinged, vengeful warrior queen.

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Now, speaking of one of the argument in favor of the series ("it would be like bright colored Game of Thrones"), well, quite frankly, if they wanted to make a Nintendo branded Game Of Thrones, they already have a much more serviceable series for it.

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