About the Amazing Spider-Man, I Told You So

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About the Amazing Spider-Man, I Told You So

He warned us. And now he is back to gloat. MovieBob lauds the return of Spider-Man to the Marvel Cinematic Universe where he belongs, and looks at what might be next for the franchise.

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I imagine I will be insufferable about this for a good long while.

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Well at least he's admitting it..
Every Movie Bob piece feels like an "I told you so" anyway.

Been a long time coming. It's about damn time.

I only disagree with the Garfield part. I thought the portrayal and design of spider-man in ASM was good and far more accurate to the Ultimate universe version the MCU is grounded in. I would be happy to see Garfield stay, but he's probably too frustrated with the whole thing and the stain it put on his name to come back. I also thought Toby was good. The things I felt like failed in any of the spider-man movies never had anything to do with the main characters portrayal.

I fully admit I kinda liked the first movie. It wasn't until the 2nd film left me confused a bewildered that I was totally on board with shutting the whole thing down.

Bob seesaws every week between gloating, whining and throwing tantrums. No need to apologize were used to it these days.

Honestly I can't see what Sony's getting out of this deal ASM2 is the 5th highest grossing Marvel film based on oversees box office were it crushed GotG and CA:WS last year. And it's not like you have to be part of the MCU to make money with marvel comic book based films as world wide the top 10 include all 5 Spiderman films and last years X-men.

The only issue I have with this is that they are going to make yet another origins story movie. In my mind, the first half of Spiderman 2002 was pretty much perfect in terms of adapting the character to the big screen. Are they capable of something good? Absolutely. Are they capable of doing something better than a movie still fresh in my memory? Unlikely.

hermes200:
The only issue I have with this is that they are going to make yet another origins story movie. In my mind, the first half of Spiderman 2002 was pretty much perfect in terms of adapting the character to the big screen. Are they capable of something good? Absolutely. Are they capable of doing something better than a movie still fresh in my memory? Unlikely.

I think the rumor mill is already saying there won't be another origin.
They'll "Incredible Hulk" it and, at best, have the origin in the opening montage.

Also, can I safely say that Spider-man 2 is part of the MCU due to the Doctor Strange shoutout?

Wooo! let's all celebrate and rejoice!

Alright Bob, come on, ya know ya wanna.

Don't forget to sing!

This article was as insufferable as I expected it to be.

Still, doubt i'll go see any new Spider Man films. The last one was awwwwwful and has killed any interest I have in the character, for the foreeable future. Another reboot isn't going to make me go back into the cinema, especially without Garfield (who I liked in the role).

Alright. Let's not be a dick about it! ;)

Typo: ever new or cared about = ever knew or cared about

Johnny Novgorod:

I imagine I will be insufferable about this for a good long while.

image

Well at least he's admitting it..
Every Movie Bob piece feels like an "I told you so" anyway.

At least he's making it clear that I should continue to largely ignore every video and article he makes for the next several years.

Even if I didn't think the first ASM was better than he gives it credit for, and even considering that I wasn't overly fond of the second, it's still incredibly annoying to try and read or watch anything he puts out there when he spends a remarkable amount of time beating several dead horses. And most of the time, his dragging the corpse back out for a few more good whacks doesn't even add to whatever point he's making.

It's like he's trying to alienate his audience as much as possible by simply harping on the same things over, and over, and over, in the hope that everyone else will grow to hate them as much as he did.

P-89 Scorpion:
Honestly I can't see what Sony's getting out of this deal ASM2 is the 5th highest grossing Marvel film based on oversees box office were it crushed GotG and CA:WS last year. And it's not like you have to be part of the MCU to make money with marvel comic book based films as world wide the top 10 include all 5 Spiderman films and last years X-men.

The problem is that we might see that as widely successful, but after dealing with businesses over the years its all about return on investment and not just how much they made. If Sony was expecting a $1 billion dollar movie and the reported rumors of the costs and advertising budgets coupled with a 50% theater take, Sony got $100 million when they might have expected a $200 million return.

Of course nobody really knows those numbers outside of probably Sony. The other thing to consider as well is that Sony doesn't have any rights to Spider-Man products unlike Fox does with Fantastic Four and X-Men so any of those external profit generators to help generate extra revenue is gone so even if a MCU movie might walk away with the same level of profit, they will have the added benefit of merchandise for the movie.

I'm really hoping they get it right this time.

The first two Raimi movies were good for the time, but (at least for me, and I know I'm in the minority here) I don't think they've aged well. And of course, Spider-Man 3 was crap. Which was why I (again, in the minority) was looking forward to the reboot when it was originally announced.

I actually liked Amazing Spider-Man for the most part. It had it's problems - the Lizard copying Dafoe's shtick from the original being one, the cheesy construction worker scene at the end being another - but I thought Garfield was a good Peter Parker and they had something to build on with the sequel.

They failed miserably, making a movie to rival Michael Bay's Transformers in crapitude, and only marginally more tolerable to watch than Spider-Man 3.

So I'm hoping, with Marvel's guidance, that they can finally do the character justice. And I hope he doesn't feel too shoehorned in when he shows up his first Marvel appearance.

Side note: I'm also hoping that they call the new movie Spectacular Spider-Man, and proceed to copy everything from the cartoon, which, in my opinion, is still the best interpretation of Spidey to date.

I haven't seen ASM 2 but as bad as ASM was I thought the fight choreography between spider man and lizard was the really good.

If you watch the fight scenes you see extensive and creative use of the web shooters which is something that was missing in the Spider Man movies.

But I'm glad the ASM movies are done even though I never really liked spider man character until the Raimi movies (and as a kid I liked the hilarious 70s tv show)

I'm withholding my victory cry until Fox surrenders the X-Men.

Sam Huntington doooo itttt.

Now let's see if they can get J.K. Simmons back for JJJ.

Man, does anyone else really want them to go with Bob's Agents of SHIELD Spidey reveal? I can see it so perfectly in my head, it must be made manifest. Also, I'm firmly of the opinion that absolutely no superhero film since Spiderman 2 has done a superhero "moment" as well as that train scene. See Man of Steel, you CAN make your silly Christ imagery mean something in the context of the story. I'd give honourable mentions to Iron Man's "montage against terrorism" scene and almost the entirety of the first Cap America, but still not quite as right. And when you're up against that, you really should distance yourself accordingly *cough*Black Spidey*cough*

Does the escapist still have editors? No one thought to tell Bob to maybe cut out the first 2/3rds of first page? I didn't like ASM either and I am glad that Marvel is getting him sort of back, but I don't stand on a soapbox and mock people like a 6th grader. There are hundreds of people who put a lot of their time into those films, for better or worst and they deserve better. Grow up and have a little dignity.

It's okay Bob, you've always been insufferable. But don't worry, now that you're gone, I won't have to put up with you anymore.

Moviebob!

Moviebob!

No more escapist with Moviebob!

*chuckle* Sheesh. Always startled that people feel so strongly about Bob having an opinion they don't agree with. News of this magnitude, though, I've got to say g'wan and gloat. I share MovieBob's opinion that the series is going to get better.

While I liked a bit of the stuff in ASM (the quipping during fight scenes felt like the comics), they didn't hold a candle to SM 1 and 2 and I've got a grudge for the studio working Raimi over on 3 and pulling a reboot.

LysanderNemoinis:
It's okay Bob, you've always been insufferable. But don't worry, now that you're gone, I won't have to put up with you anymore.

So you were being forced to watch his videos and read his articles? ;p

OT: Glad you had a good last day, Bob.

Go out with a simile and a song! ;D

Vivi22:

Johnny Novgorod:

I imagine I will be insufferable about this for a good long while.

image

Well at least he's admitting it..
Every Movie Bob piece feels like an "I told you so" anyway.

At least he's making it clear that I should continue to largely ignore every video and article he makes for the next several years.

Even if I didn't think the first ASM was better than he gives it credit for, and even considering that I wasn't overly fond of the second, it's still incredibly annoying to try and read or watch anything he puts out there when he spends a remarkable amount of time beating several dead horses. And most of the time, his dragging the corpse back out for a few more good whacks doesn't even add to whatever point he's making.

It's like he's trying to alienate his audience as much as possible by simply harping on the same things over, and over, and over, in the hope that everyone else will grow to hate them as much as he did.

Well, he's gone now. So in a way, everybody wins today.

AM1-2 was about as bad as SPM3, it got a few things right but got enough wrong to be underwhelming....

Impossibilium:
I'm really hoping they get it right this time.

The first two Raimi movies were good for the time, but (at least for me, and I know I'm in the minority here) I don't think they've aged well. And of course, Spider-Man 3 was crap. Which was why I (again, in the minority) was looking forward to the reboot when it was originally announced.

I actually liked Amazing Spider-Man for the most part. It had it's problems - the Lizard copying Dafoe's shtick from the original being one, the cheesy construction worker scene at the end being another - but I thought Garfield was a good Peter Parker and they had something to build on with the sequel.

They failed miserably, making a movie to rival Michael Bay's Transformers in crapitude, and only marginally more tolerable to watch than Spider-Man 3.

So I'm hoping, with Marvel's guidance, that they can finally do the character justice. And I hope he doesn't feel too shoehorned in when he shows up his first Marvel appearance.

Side note: I'm also hoping that they call the new movie Spectacular Spider-Man, and proceed to copy everything from the cartoon, which, in my opinion, is still the best interpretation of Spidey to date.

i feel the same way. at the time they were good, and the action in the second one is still really good, but the movies themselves are way too campy for what's going on with superhero movies these days.

P-89 Scorpion:
Honestly I can't see what Sony's getting out of this deal

A chance to recoup the massive losses in both money and fanbase support that ASM has inflicted on them.

008Zulu:

P-89 Scorpion:
Honestly I can't see what Sony's getting out of this deal

A chance to recoup the massive losses in both money and fanbase support that ASM has inflicted on them.

Except that Sony's film division is there 2nd most profitable and the quarters were the 2 ASM films launched are the 2 very best after Skyfall (which banked a billion) in the last decade so I don't get how it's losing money.

LysanderNemoinis:
It's okay Bob, you've always been insufferable. But don't worry, now that you're gone, I won't have to put up with you anymore.

Johnny Novgorod:
Well, he's gone now. So in a way, everybody wins today.

Wait, Bob's gone now? Where are y'all getting that? I don't see an article about it.

Is it Twitter? I swear to God I hate how game news sites leave all of their staff news to Twitter, not all of us give a damn about it and, like him or hate him (and I could live without him, really), Bob's been one of the biggest contributors for a long time, which only grew this past year as he produced something like half of the regular columns on this site. Was he fired? Layed off? Chose to leave?

Supahewok:

LysanderNemoinis:
It's okay Bob, you've always been insufferable. But don't worry, now that you're gone, I won't have to put up with you anymore.

Johnny Novgorod:
Well, he's gone now. So in a way, everybody wins today.

Wait, Bob's gone now? Where are y'all getting that? I don't see an article about it.

Is it Twitter? I swear to God I hate how game news sites leave all of their staff news to Twitter, not all of us give a damn about it and, like him or hate him (and I could live without him, really), Bob's been one of the biggest contributors for a long time, which only grew this past year as he produced something like half of the regular columns on this site. Was he fired? Layed off? Chose to leave?

He announced it on his blog and on Twitter. No cause he given, though he emphatically denies it had nothing to do with his social media bullshit. No official Escapist comment so far.

And as much I don't like the guy or his work, it comes across as really strange Escapist would let go of him. He brought in quite a lot of people. Firing him isn't as insane as, I dunno, getting rid of Yahtzee, but getting there.

Johnny Novgorod:

Supahewok:

LysanderNemoinis:
It's okay Bob, you've always been insufferable. But don't worry, now that you're gone, I won't have to put up with you anymore.

Johnny Novgorod:
Well, he's gone now. So in a way, everybody wins today.

Wait, Bob's gone now? Where are y'all getting that? I don't see an article about it.

Is it Twitter? I swear to God I hate how game news sites leave all of their staff news to Twitter, not all of us give a damn about it and, like him or hate him (and I could live without him, really), Bob's been one of the biggest contributors for a long time, which only grew this past year as he produced something like half of the regular columns on this site. Was he fired? Layed off? Chose to leave?

He announced it on his blog and on Twitter. No cause he given, though he emphatically denies it had nothing to do with his social media bullshit. No official Escapist comment so far.

And as much I don't like the guy or his work, it comes across as really strange Escapist would let go of him. He brought in quite a lot of people. Firing him isn't as insane as, I dunno, getting rid of Yahtzee, but getting there.

Yeah, no way they just cut him off for funsies, he produced too much for the site. I'm surprised it took this long though, he's been calling certain segments of his potential audience "subhuman trash" (to put it mildly) for over half a year now. And even before that he's been increasingly partisan, bitter, and hostile over the past 2 years.

Shame. As much as I disliked him on a personal level, one of the main reasons I've kept coming to the Escapist since the days they gave the weekly newsletter and most of the columns the axe (otherwise known as this site's Golden Age where every week they had a handful of interesting and insightful editorials and columns, most of which WEREN'T browbeating over how much my demographic owes the rest of the human population) has been to keep up with Marvel stuff, and say what you want about Bob he's always been knowledgeable about that and has been fairly good at predicting where the movies and shows would go. Looks like all that's left for me here is Shamus' column. God, I wish the archives on this site were such that it wasn't a complete pain in the ass to find those old newsletters...

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