No Right Answer: Is Gaming A Sport?

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Is Gaming A Sport?

Video games are trying to wear several hats at the moment; Art, entertainment, career. But can they ever wear the coveted bowler hat that is professional sport?

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I agree that video games aren't a sport. Music isn't a sport, it doesn't need to try to be a sport. Reading isn't a sport, doesn't need to be. So why does competition= sport?

Video Games aren't a sport unless they make use of motion controls. But those aren't the games being referred to as Sports when it comes to competitive gaming. Calling all games sports seems way too broad as games tend to be competitive.

I'm afraid that the majority of Gamers just want to call Video Games, sports not because of actual competition. But because Sports sounds more prestigious. Like how calling Video Games, Art sounds more prestigious.

And I think overall it makes Gamers seem kind of mentally weak. Because we want some kind of recognition for not who we are. But who we try to act like we are.

Gaming is seriously not a sport. You can't just make everything a sport. Just like what many have said above, music isn't a sport, reading isn't a sport. You can come up with excuses about "oh, we need to use our brain more", You sure about that? Gaming is a fun hobby and past time.

Do you know what isn't a sport either? Darts. All you are doing is looking at something and moving your left or right arm up and down, releasing an object. Many of us do that on a daily basis and that's not a sport.

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Yep.

I tested out my heart rate playing a rhythm game once. My heart rate only went up to 85, even on the hardest songs. Those usually require a **** ton of button presses. 85 is less than I get STANDING UP! Standing up is hardly considered physically active either. You burn more calories walking to the fridge than playing Smash, Halo, or any type of non-motion control game.

I'm all for calling it competitive. I'm all for saying people can make legitimate careers out of it, but anyone who says it is a sport is an idiot.

It's not a sport. Maybe a JOB for some.
Anyway, who care's about what's just in a name?
A rose by any other name etc...

What *I* care about are those super special anouncements!!!
I hope it's all good news!!! (Like Drinking Games coming back to crush it's enemies, to see them driven before it's splendor, and to solicit the joyful squeeling of many happy women. Just like Conan does it!)

Kenjitsuka:
It's not a sport. Maybe a JOB for some.
Anyway, who care's about what's just in a name?
A rose by any other name etc...

What *I* care about are those super special anouncements!!!
I hope it's all good news!!! (Like Drinking Games coming back to crush it's enemies, to see them driven before it's splendor, and to solicit the joyful squeeling of many happy women. Just like Conan does it!)

People love the Drinking Games! Maybe it's "Drinking Games: The Next Generation", since all of us have infants now. (It's not, that would be horrible)

Aptspire:
I agree that video games aren't a sport. Music isn't a sport, it doesn't need to try to be a sport. Reading isn't a sport, doesn't need to be. So why does competition= sport?

I would instead compare it to chess. Chess isn't really considered a sport despite being a game of incredible skill and forethought.

However, some games actually require significant coordination and reaction times to the point where the physical element of control is that. So instead of being a competition in running ability like track, balance in things like gymnastics, or other such skills, this would be a competition in things that can be considered physical sports related traits.

Do I personally consider it to be a sport? Hell no. That's laughable in my opinion as I don't believe it requires enough physical exertion. But I can understand why it might be considered that way if you consider those traits to be physical traits. For example, why should sports surrounding the ability to throw something long distances be considered more highly than something demanding extreme coordination and dexterity? I will say that if bowling is a sport then you've got a big ol' slippery slope of other things that should be more of a sport.

My thought on the matter has always been this...

If you can play it IN a bar it's not a sport.

Darts, pool, shuffleboard, not sports. Chess, poker, trivia. Not sports. I don't know of any bar that will let you hook up a PS3 and play a game but you COULD play it in a bar. So no sport.

Lightknight:

Aptspire:
I agree that video games aren't a sport. Music isn't a sport, it doesn't need to try to be a sport. Reading isn't a sport, doesn't need to be. So why does competition= sport?

I would instead compare it to chess. Chess isn't really considered a sport despite being a game of incredible skill and forethought.

Except, like the video pointed out, the Olympic Committee (who would be the final word on what is and is not a sport, if there's debate) DOES, in fact, classify chess as a sport. Therefore, there is precedent for games that rely on primarily mental abilities to also be a sport.

I personally don't view video game as a legit sport since to me sport is about physical fitness which video game does not provide.

Example, sport training may consist of doing the said sport hours on end in a single day and it has the bonus benefits from the fitness you get, gaming on the other hand does not since the result will be damaging your eyes even if you do the 20/ 20/ 20/ (I will say that both sport and gaming all day can result in straining one or more of your bodypart like hands). Before you asked what the 20 is, it's a guideline to taking better care of your eyes when on the computer (every 20 minutes look away from the pc, look at something 20 feets away and count to 20 before looking back at the pc).

Also video game rely on electric to contine to run its course which phyiscal sport in its primal form doesn't. Example, a freak blackout happen in the middle of a video game tournament (don't asked how) so the game is cancel. Well ok the same is apply to phyiscal sport aswell but if they didn't care so much about the media, they can still continue the game including bowling (get someone to picked up the fallen pins).

JackgarPrime:

Lightknight:

Aptspire:
I agree that video games aren't a sport. Music isn't a sport, it doesn't need to try to be a sport. Reading isn't a sport, doesn't need to be. So why does competition= sport?

I would instead compare it to chess. Chess isn't really considered a sport despite being a game of incredible skill and forethought.

Except, like the video pointed out, the Olympic Committee (who would be the final word on what is and is not a sport, if there's debate) DOES, in fact, classify chess as a sport. Therefore, there is precedent for games that rely on primarily mental abilities to also be a sport.

To accept it outright as a sport as in the common vernacular of sport would mean that ANYTHING can be considered a sport.

Don't get me wrong, I'm an avid chess player and am exceptionally good at it to the point of having visited and beaten entire chess teams of multiple universities.

But it isn't a sport in as much as society thinks of them. It is a game and it is highly competitive.

Perhaps this is why the Olympics are considered the Olympic Games rather than the Olympic Sports. :p

In any event, the Olympics are not the authoritative source. They are "An" authoritative source.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport#Definition

So if things like driving, chess, and the like can be considered sport, then sure, throw games right in there, why not? But I'm pretty sure when the "is it a sport" conversation is being had that people are really asking 'is it athletic' and the answer is likely no.

Chess is not athletic. You know?

So someone like you and I could agree on the notion that a sport are types of competitions that don't rely on chance because we understand language but the person on the other side from us is likely using the common vernacular that equates to an athletic competition.

And neither of us are wrong. Common usage is a valid means of wording something. Just because people in top hats and monocles (joke) say that a word means something and write it as such in a book does not mean that linguistic drift of common usage will agree with them. Language belongs to society and is unfortunately a moving target (I say unfortunately because I want it to be set in stone).

Gaming is as much a sport as Chess, I'd say. Depending on the game, it's actually more athletic than that. And, usually, Chess is accepted as such.

Skeleon:
Gaming is as much a sport as Chess, I'd say. Depending on the game, it's actually more athletic than that. And, usually, Chess is accepted as such.

The exact same argument prevails around chess as well.

It's because some people define sport as athletic competition with a few qualifications (like lack of a luck factor) while others drop the athletic portion from it altogether.

So at the end of the day we're having a regional semantics argument.

However, gaming is so controversial right now because some of the components that people claim make it a sport are more athletic as well.

I guess a question to ask yourself (royal you, not you as in Skeleon) if you believe or don't believe in the athletics of competitive gaming is this: If you believe football is a sport, would you agree that football played by giant-mechas controlled by people is still a sport?

Video Games are sports the same way football is the true American sport... (Yeah, I said it!) Other than that, I say that anything can be a sport the same way anything can be art only it's less inclusive by definition alone...

It depends if there is money in it and if the players can be exploited. Cheerleading is physical and competitive...but it's not a sport! Because then they'd have to follow proper regulations, and screw that!

2HF:
My thought on the matter has always been this...

If you can play it IN a bar it's not a sport.

Darts, pool, shuffleboard, not sports. Chess, poker, trivia. Not sports. I don't know of any bar that will let you hook up a PS3 and play a game but you COULD play it in a bar. So no sport.

Good definition, I like it!

Also. Big news? Are you leaving the escapist as well? After that, ZP will be the only reason to come here. And the only reason ZP is still here is because I'm pretty sure Mr Croshaw cant be bothered to move :P

The word sport literally means: an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.

I would consider darts, snooker and pool spectator sports, even though physicality is barely present in these games.

I would argue that the term sport(which itself is a shortening of the middle english word disport, which literally meant recreation/amusement) is so old that it doesn't take into consideration the idea of mind sports and mental exertion.

Would I consider it a sport?; I think it certainly fits the bill as a spectator sport, and if chess is considered a mind sport, then why shouldn't professional gaming be given the same courtesy.

2HF:
My thought on the matter has always been this...

If you can play it IN a bar it's not a sport.

Darts, pool, shuffleboard, not sports. Chess, poker, trivia. Not sports. I don't know of any bar that will let you hook up a PS3 and play a game but you COULD play it in a bar. So no sport.

You can play table tennis in a bar, and that is a sport by any reasonable definition and is an Olympic event. And that's not just something that can hypothetically be done in a bar, there are actual bars with suitable tables that you can play on.

It was a nice try, there aren't many exceptions, but it isn't watertight.

Bad Jim:

2HF:
My thought on the matter has always been this...

If you can play it IN a bar it's not a sport.

Darts, pool, shuffleboard, not sports. Chess, poker, trivia. Not sports. I don't know of any bar that will let you hook up a PS3 and play a game but you COULD play it in a bar. So no sport.

You can play table tennis in a bar, and that is a sport by any reasonable definition and is an Olympic event. And that's not just something that can hypothetically be done in a bar, there are actual bars with suitable tables that you can play on.

It was a nice try, there aren't many exceptions, but it isn't watertight.

That's the first time anyone has mentioned ping pong to me. While I'd personally prefer to classify it with the likes of air hockey and foosball I imagine the vast majority would agree that it counts as a sport. Olympic event or not isn't going to weigh heavily with me. Dressage is an Olympic event too after all, but your argument about ping pong is unassailable.

A tip of the hat to you.

I dunno if it's a sport, but it's definitely growing in popularity. I don't really like team sports, so I don't really follow LoL or DOTA that much. Same with Counterstrike. But I've only heard that EVO get's more popular each year. And the last LoL final tournament championship-thing had more viewers than the World Series.

It's a thing now. And honestly I'm okay with that.

If Poker can be considered a sport then video games can be considered a sport.

Just because you can compete, that doesn't make it a sport.
You could compete with just about anything! That there is the tallest man in the world implies one could compete to see who is the tallest man. But being tall isn't a sport.
Likewise classmates may compete to see who gets the highest grade on a test, but calculus isn't a sport.
Likewise gambling, like Poker or Craps, is not a sport. Its a contest, sure. But a sport? Hardly. Why is Poker considered a sport but playing dice against a wall isn't?! Answer: Poker shouldn't be considered a sport.

Just because you can compete with someone that doesn't make you an athlete either. Sorry professional gamers, you're not athletes. You're just a gamer who Mountain Dew/Doritos/Wavebird foolishly gives money to.

Silentpony:
Just because you can compete, that doesn't make it a sport.
You could compete with just about anything! That there is the tallest man in the world implies one could compete to see who is the tallest man. But being tall isn't a sport.
Likewise classmates may compete to see who gets the highest grade on a test, but calculus isn't a sport.
Likewise gambling, like Poker or Craps, is not a sport. Its a contest, sure. But a sport? Hardly. Why is Poker considered a sport but playing dice against a wall isn't?! Answer: Poker shouldn't be considered a sport.

Just because you can compete with someone that doesn't make you an athlete either. Sorry professional gamers, you're not athletes. You're just a gamer who Mountain Dew/Doritos/Wavebird foolishly gives money to.

None of the competitions you mention except for poker requires skill, calculus requires knowledge not skill, so your comparison isn't really valid.

mrdeclandeadly:
The word sport literally means: an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.

Chess is a sport. Chess is a game. Gaming is a sport.

Well they're not "an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess", so no, videogames aren't sports.

Official definition of sport: an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.

They can be competitive video games that could draw millions of people for all I care and they still wouldn't be a sport. I don't think chess should be considered a sport either.

Yeah, if you want to go completely by the dictionary definition, then no they're not. You could be morbidly obese and confined to a wheelchair and still be the world's greatest gamer.

That being said, I really don't understand why people care so much. If I met the world's greatest chess player, I'd still be pretty impressed, even though it isn't considered a "sport". I've seen people get into arguments over whether Golf is a sport, but ultimately, my main thought was "does it really matter? It still requires skill and is something that not everyone can do".

Nope, gaming isn't a sport. Neither is chess or playing cards.

For something to be a sport it requires some form of physical skill and training. Darts counts as a sports because it requires skill to physically throw the dart where you want it to go.

The key aspect of a sport is training ones body to move in a certain way and exert effort.

Depends entirely on how you define "sport"

Some will say it only covers activities of physical exertion, which would remove not just videogames, but a number of other activities from this amorphous category.

Others would define it as anything that can be played competitively, which just opens the floodgates.

Ultimately it comes down to pretty meaningless semantics, if an activity requires some level of skill then it is still deserving of respect, regardless of whether it can neatly fit into the arbitrary boundaries of something our society arguably obsesses too much over.

Oh, and Herman still rubs me the wrong way. Arrogant, dismissive and remedial in his debating tactics without the charm of Chris to back it up.

Lightknight:
if you believe or don't believe in the athletics of competitive gaming is this: If you believe football is a sport, would you agree that football played by giant-mechas controlled by people is still a sport?

The Mechs playing football? Yes, they're playing a sport.
The people coaching the mechs? No, coaching others is not a sport.

As such, the pixels on the screen may be preforming a sport when you play Madden N+1, but you are not playing a sport.

Is gaming a sport? yes. Is gaming an athletic sport? No. Is racing a sport? Yes and it is called Motorsports. Is racing an athletic sport? No.

Just because athletic ability is not involved does not mean it cannot be a sport, only dumb jocks view the word sport to mean athletics only.

Gaming isn't a sport, but electronic sports are. It's the difference between a friendly kickabout in the park and a champions league final. It's the same game, at a massively different skill level, arena, stakes and money to be won.

The amount of effort and time some of the best e-sports players in the world, past and present, needed to put into being the best is most probably equal to that of olympic-level athletes, the only difference is they aren't physically training in the same manner, although muscle memory is incredibly important.

There have been Starcraft Brood War players who have required wrist surgery and had their careers cut short because of wrist injuries.

I will admit that some e-sports now being played take less skill than others, but may make up for it with a large emphasis on teamwork dynamics.

Is poker a sport? Is chess a sport?

The answer to those questions is the same as to whether gaming is a sport...

JET1971:
Is racing an athletic sport? No.

Interestingly (and I'm by no means a racing fan), I've read a lot of stuff that says that professional race car drivers are actually phenomenal athletes. Driving at the speeds they go at for hours upon hours straight (with no real breaks), combined with the pressure it puts on their body and the fact that it's something like 120 degrees in their car (at least in NASCAR) requires these guys (and gals) to be in really good shape to be good at it.

Then, of course, it brings up the argument of whether something automatically becomes a sport just because you need to be in shape for it.

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