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Just a little factual note for any fanboys in the thread: AMD's apparent inferiority is easily explained, their research and development expenditure is at a 10 year low.

$238 million dollars was the total amount AMD spent on R&D, which includes R&D on all their products.

Intel's was $3 billion dollars for the same period, admittedly this cost also includes on-going costs for fabrication plants so it's not an entirely accurate comparison, but what is an accurate comparison (and a worrying one) is Nvidia's R&D budget.

Nvidia spent $348 million dollars ($110 million more than AMD) on R&D in the same period, and Nvidia develops less products overall than the entirety of AMD.

It's not hard to see why AMD's processors have barely changed in the last 8 years, and why their processor tech hasn't changed in even longer; And on the GPU front it isn't hard to see how AMD's only option is to put 2 GPUs on a single card to 'beat' Nvidia - They just don't spend enough on R&D so they are always at least 1 step behind tech wise.

I'm not trying to shit on AMD either, it is often amazing and/or impressive what they can do with the outdated tech, and they definitely have their place in the market, but at the end of the day they are still working on outdated tech while their competition pushes forward.

IndieForever:

The trick, of course, is to do none of the above. Don't buy a current generation card. Do what we do here in the studio which is to pick hardware we think we will be mid-range in 18 months and buy last-gen from suppliers keen to get rid of old stock. My dev rig has two 780Tis in SLI and cost next to nothing because everyone wants the latest and greatest. I can work and test an SLI setup, disable one if the drivers throw a hissy-fit and it has yet to encounter anything it can't handle at max-settings at 1440p. 4k is here, but it's not the modal setup.

:)

Nice strat. When I built / recommended purchases, I settled on 6 months old and just after the release of the new tech. The issues had been identified and patched by then, the performance was at least 80% of what I could buy new, and the price was 2/3 to half of what it used to be (which meant I could easily afford higher performance gear than I would otherwise have bought).

Now I've switched to laptops for a lot of reasons, the strat doesn't work as well, but I still get decent gear for a decent price (lower-end ASUS G750 atm, it's ok for games and sweet in all other ways).

A joke about current generation AMD GPU's should have been about space heaters. 280X beats GTX 960 really hard for the price, but one of those things will raise your room temperature after an hour of gaming.

even though I have a slight preference for AMD, I still laughed out loud at this.

still, I'm getting what I pay for in my product at least, unlike nvidia's 4 GB...oh I mean, 3.5 GB ;-)

I'm pretty sure food stamps aren't actually stamps anymore. They come in the form of EBT cards (Electronic Benefit Transfer cards), sorta like a credit card. So this comic isn't entirely accurate.

*The more you know*

'scuse me, but last i checked ATI...er srry AMD cards still have the biggest processing power when it comes to high-end stuff.
https://litecoin.info/Mining_hardware_comparison

GOOD DAY SIRS!
*slams door in disgust on the way out*

Used to use AMD cards almost exclusively (mainly due to price).
last one i had was R9 270X with 4 gig memory, cost 200€ or so, worked fine for few months, then it broke down.
Replaced it with GTX 960 with half the memory and 50€ more price.
No noticeable improvements, fps is mostly the same and so is noise level.

Sure, if i wanted to spend as much on my graphics card as i did on rest of the machine, i would probably do better in ATI cards (even if mostly because of the dev optimization), but when trying to stick to ~200€ price range, it does not really matter that much.

I prefer AMD mostly because AMD aren't nearly as anal about what hardware they will work with. With Nvidia the optimal setup is the ONLY setup allowed. While AMD works with any AMD card of the same architecture, so you can you can create a decent transitional rig. Don't have enough for that sweet dual 280x crossfire rig, but already have a 260, slap that 280x in there and it WILL successfully crossfire. Yeah,the 280x won't be able the max out due to memory restrictions but it will still be better than a 280x alone. Buy the second 280x when you have the money. And if you use mantle you can even reduce even that problem

You can't do that with Nvidia. You HAVE to trash your old card because Nvidia cards won't SLI across platforms.

AMD's biggest problem is that they are garbage at making drivers, so it takes forever for the good drivers that can optimize the card to it's fullest potential to come out

I don't really have any issues with my R9 290, so bite me, Erin.

GASP! An insult! Against my FAVOURITE GRAPHICS CARD/GPU MANUFACTURER! I am thrown into an instant, frothing rage! My vision has become crimson and my heart yearns for the blood of Nvidia users! But the rage is too much! My sympathetic nervous system has become overstimulated, so geared up I am to this fight, that, though my heart brims with passion and fervour, my body fails me, and I am left, shaking, nay trembling in my chair, with this sensation of implacable hatred!

You shall rue this day!

Dhael:
AMD works with any AMD card of the same architecture, so you can you can create a decent transitional rig.

That's a really good point which no one else has mentioned. At a personal level I have to say I prefer the AMD open-everything philosophy but, from a developer's perspective, Nvidia offer tools which AMD do not. The final results appears to work equally well on both manufacturers' cards, but the tools will not run on AMD kit. From a consumer's point of view, AMD offers more.. what's the word.. flexibility.

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At the end of the day it doesn't matter what you buy really - a search will steer you clear of the poor-value cards from either company and point you to the right ones if you have a niche use such as mining. I can assure you all from hardware surveys that SLI/X-fire is not a common setup, and neither is 4k gaming. At the point when you're thinking, hmmm... the AMD 9999 gets 130fps at 1920x1200 with shadows at medium but textures at max, and the Nvidia 999 gets 122fps at 1440p but the shadows are more.. 'shadowy' and it has Texture-Sharp (tm) technology that blurs things to make them look sharper... just buy what you want :)

But please, for the love of 28nm architecture, be happy with what you have and the research you did and don't take personally someone saying theirs caught fire and murdered their cat, whilst simultaneously stealing the last beer from their fridge. It's not a reflection on your choice, it's a statement about their experience.

Our games will run just as well/poorly on your AMD chipset as your Nvidia one at roughly the same price-point.

Fuck those Matrox cards though. Apparently VESA drivers won't install anymore...

Rattja:
Think I went through 5 different cards before I just changed to Nvidia, never looked back.

Seriously though, all 5 cards had the same problem. After about a year or so the cooling fan started to come loose and it overheated constantly. I don't really care if this is a common problem for others or not, it's my experience and it sucked. That sound the fan makes when it is about to come loose... it's bad, and you know it's just a matter of time before it's dead.

So yeah I think mocking these cards is completely fair.

As someone that works in IT, has owned cards from both camps and love my 780ti, there's nothing wrong with AMD's quality. If you bought cards from dodgy brands then there's your issue, AMD and Nvidia don't build the cards, their made by Gigabyte, Sapphire, EVGA etc. I recommend Sapphire for AMD and EVGA for Nvidia. Gigabyte and Asus can be good for both but those 2 specialise in their sides.

RicoADF:

Rattja:
Think I went through 5 different cards before I just changed to Nvidia, never looked back.

Seriously though, all 5 cards had the same problem. After about a year or so the cooling fan started to come loose and it overheated constantly. I don't really care if this is a common problem for others or not, it's my experience and it sucked. That sound the fan makes when it is about to come loose... it's bad, and you know it's just a matter of time before it's dead.

So yeah I think mocking these cards is completely fair.

As someone that works in IT, has owned cards from both camps and love my 780ti, there's nothing wrong with AMD's quality. If you bought cards from dodgy brands then there's your issue, AMD and Nvidia don't build the cards, their made by Gigabyte, Sapphire, EVGA etc. I recommend Sapphire for AMD and EVGA for Nvidia. Gigabyte and Asus can be good for both but those 2 specialise in their sides.

Hm I don't know.. All I know is that every single AMD card has had the same problem after some time, and at least 2 of them were Sapphire cards so don't really think the brand is the issue here. I also know this is not a problem people don't normally have, so maybe I am just extremely unlucky or something I don't really care. Bottom line is that all my AMD cards died this way, and my Nvidia cards never did.
Defend them all you like, but I will never risk hearing that loose fan sound again, it gives me nightmares.

I'm glad the kickstarter money is paying for your graphics cards, dear author.

Rattja:

Hm I don't know.. All I know is that every single AMD card has had the same problem after some time, and at least 2 of them were Sapphire cards so don't really think the brand is the issue here. I also know this is not a problem people don't normally have, so maybe I am just extremely unlucky or something I don't really care. Bottom line is that all my AMD cards died this way, and my Nvidia cards never did.
Defend them all you like, but I will never risk hearing that loose fan sound again, it gives me nightmares.

Sounds strange to have so many fan issues, I had the ATI 9250, x400, X1950GT, HD 5770 and HD 7950, all of them worked for years and were replaced because I wanted to improve performance, never due to fault. This isn't about defending them, as already stated I currently have the Nvidia 780ti and love it, just saying from experience there is little difference and when it comes to my next card I'll check both camps out and pick the best card available at the time. Which I recommend to everyone. After all Nvidia have had their shit cards as well, my fx5000 was junk and the only card I've ever had to return due to fault.

IndieForever:
The trick, of course, is to do none of the above. Don't buy a current generation card. Do what we do here in the studio which is to pick hardware we think we will be mid-range in 18 months and buy last-gen from suppliers keen to get rid of old stock. My dev rig has two 780Tis in SLI and cost next to nothing because everyone wants the latest and greatest. I can work and test an SLI setup, disable one if the drivers throw a hissy-fit and it has yet to encounter anything it can't handle at max-settings at 1440p. 4k is here, but it's not the modal setup.

Best advice right there!

Buying current gen cards is always a great way of disposing of money. Top of the line last gen equals the midrange version of the current and costs less than the lowest current. The only reason for a player to go with the top of the line current gen card is if you do professional competitive gaming. They have been benchmarked and tested against each other plenty of times so you get to choose the best of that generation regardless of NVidia or AMD/ATI.

Another bit of advice is when to buy a new card? When your cards generation is in the minimum specs list for games you are buying. You get about a year warning so you have time to save up for the best last gen card and have money to spare for things like a RAM upgrade, or a new HDD, a game Whatever. That wont mean you are eating Top Ramen for a month.

Dissentient:
A joke about current generation AMD GPU's should have been about space heaters. 280X beats GTX 960 really hard for the price, but one of those things will raise your room temperature after an hour of gaming.

As an R9 290 owner I can confirm this: performance is great, the cooling is... non-existent. It's not even meant to be cool, it runs at 70+ degrees! Apparently the non-reference cards have better cooling. Have been tempted to buy another one for Cross Fire but I reckon it would actually melt my case.

Spushkin:

Give this man a cigar, seriously.

No, give that person all the cigars. ALL of them.

Dhael:

You can't do that with Nvidia. You HAVE to trash your old card because Nvidia cards won't SLI across platforms.

pfft, duh, how else can they gouge more money out of you?

AMD's biggest problem is that they are garbage at making drivers, so it takes forever for the good drivers that can optimize the card to it's fullest potential to come out

while this is true, I know in the past nvidia (amd has done this a few times as well I think.) got "preferential treatment" by either the dev's/publishers, so the games were silky smooth with them and amd had to play catch up off the bat. (not an excuse, just context that happened sometimes.)

this was noticeable for amd as of recent though as well, such as I think tomb raider did it, and I think dragon age inquisition *kind of* was that way off the bat too, but they've both worked the kinks out for running on max as far as I know.

I've used both companies in the past and currently own a GTX 760 + an HD7950 my dad sent me, because he no longer needed it. If the 760 dies, I'll use the 7950. Don't see that happening any time soon though >_> so I may just sell the latter to upgrade the former.

ATI's driver support kind of sucked, but it ran well. Nvidia's got better support in both drivers and (it seems) from developers.

The current 'meta' has Nvidia roflstomping AMD in terms of performance and, honestly, the amount of performance per dollar just isn't worth waiting a bit longer to buy the Nvidia offering. Just sort of how it's working nowadays.

Kind of like how AMD used to be the gaming enthusiast CPU maker.

Annnnd noooot annnnymoooore.

With recent advancements in the Cycles department, due in part to ATI's efforts, it appears that I may one day this Quarter be able to use an ATI card as a GPU renderer. With this in mind I might put serious consideration into buying one.

Especially when you have VRAM like this!!!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814195129&cm_re=firepro-_-14-195-129-_-Product

Well, my PC runs with a AMD, the last one did and the next one will also.
Even when the AMD is a little weaker then the Nvidea, i'm one of those guys who don't tollerate shady business practices like Nvidea is pulling constantly.

Charcharo:
As a person superior to AMD/Nvidia fanboys... basically fanboy to NEITHER...

AMD drivers = shit = Nvidia drivers
(ALL ARE FUCKING SHIT)

AMD cards = good = Nvidia cards @ similar price points

AMD quality = nvidia quality

Anyone who favors one over the other as a fanboy... is not someone I consider bright. At all.

Unfortunate, I see many escapists ... like this in the comments...

The actual tech built around nVidia GPUs is way better and much nicer to develop for. (Think shader debuggers, CUDA etc etc)

Make a developer happy, buy nVidia GPUs today!

MorphingDragon:

Charcharo:
As a person superior to AMD/Nvidia fanboys... basically fanboy to NEITHER...

AMD drivers = shit = Nvidia drivers
(ALL ARE FUCKING SHIT)

AMD cards = good = Nvidia cards @ similar price points

AMD quality = nvidia quality

Anyone who favors one over the other as a fanboy... is not someone I consider bright. At all.

Unfortunate, I see many escapists ... like this in the comments...

The actual tech built around nVidia GPUs is way better and much nicer to develop for. (Think shader debuggers, CUDA etc etc)

Make a developer happy, buy nVidia GPUs today!

Are you a "developer"?

Nope. Then make YOURSELF happy and the market healthy. Buy what is best for your budget.
Anything else is video card fanboyism. And that is low and useless.

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