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Best Board Game - Chess vs Monopoly

Re-filmed three times due to a variety of mysterious circumstances, come see the episode the fates don't want you to see! Which board game will pass go and get kinged? Checkmate.

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Not an expert, Chris, but I am pretty sure Chess *also* has some optional house rule finicking.
Anyway, why can't you check if the mike is plugged in after 10 seconds of filming? A "sound check" if you will.

Hey. "Check" is a word you can use in financial circumstances and in chess! They must be the same game!

The fates didn't want you to make this video because you are both horribly horribly wrong. First of all, Monopoly shouldn't even BE in a list of good board games, much less the BEST board game. Chess is okay, but Go completely trumps it. Still, you both need to expand your board game horizons as we have hit a board gaming renaissance in the past few years and there are much more enjoyable, thematic, and just plain GOOD games these days.

Go play some simple entry level games like Ticket To Ride, Carcassone, King of Tokyo, Pandemic, Tsuro, or try a deck-building game like Dominion or Trains, or even just a party style game like Coup, The Resistance, or Werewolf. Go from there to more advanced titles like Dead of Winter, Ghost Stories, Archipelago, etc. All of which are definitely better than Monopoly, and arguably Chess.

COMaestro:

Go play some simple entry level games like Ticket To Ride, Carcassone, King of Tokyo, Pandemic, Tsuro, or try a deck-building game like Dominion or Trains, or even just a party style game like Coup, The Resistance, or Werewolf. Go from there to more advanced titles like Dead of Winter, Ghost Stories, Archipelago, etc. All of which are definitely better than Monopoly, and arguably Chess.

Settlers of Catan would be a good suggestion as well

Barry? What's Game Grumps doing in Oregon?

Also, from personal experience, Monopoly can kill friendships... while Chess just bores friendships to death... So, I declare that Connect 4 is the true king of games...

COMaestro:
Go play some simple entry level games like Ticket To Ride, Carcassone, King of Tokyo, Pandemic, Tsuro, or try a deck-building game like Dominion or Trains, or even just a party style game like Coup, The Resistance, or Werewolf. Go from there to more advanced titles like Dead of Winter, Ghost Stories, Archipelago, etc. All of which are definitely better than Monopoly, and arguably Chess.

I fucking love Ticket To Ride... Who knew building railroads could be so much fun?

I sorry but Chess is class as a board game??? Even as a two players only game, I still find 2 players games like Battleship and Connect 4 class as an board game. Well ok on Wiki, it IS class as a board game afterall...

I refuse to watch the video because of the nonsensical Title.
Also the answer to this question is obviously Twilight Imperium...
Or was it Suburbia?
Or Caverna?
Pandemic?...

I agree with chess being on here, although you could switch it out with go and you'd still have the same amount of people complaining about it.

Honestly, I think the other side of this should have been a deck of cards. Monopoly takes too long and it brings out the worst in people (plus I don't think it's as popular internationally). A deck of cards fits all of the criteria and has an infinite amount of play options.

Monopoly is terrible.
That is all

How is Monopoly even a contender? It was developed specifically to not be fun and teach people about how real estate ownership lets individuals snowball to total domination rather than actually requiring hard work or intelligence.
I don't think anyone actually ever plays Monopoly, people just have it because it's considered the "standard board game".

TechTim:

COMaestro:

Go play some simple entry level games like Ticket To Ride, Carcassone, King of Tokyo, Pandemic, Tsuro, or try a deck-building game like Dominion or Trains, or even just a party style game like Coup, The Resistance, or Werewolf. Go from there to more advanced titles like Dead of Winter, Ghost Stories, Archipelago, etc. All of which are definitely better than Monopoly, and arguably Chess.

Settlers of Catan would be a good suggestion as well

True, that would be a good suggestion in this case. I've gotten tired of Catan after just a few plays, so I decided to avoid it, but there are plenty of people who do like it and it was the gateway to new board games for many people.

Chess is on a league of it's own... you can't compare it with monopoly... Chess wins!

What was that message at the end? April 18th? Are we losing this show too!?

Scarim Coral:
I sorry but Chess is class as a board game??? Even as a two players only game, I still find 2 players games like Battleship and Connect 4 class as an board game. Well ok on Wiki, it IS class as a board game afterall...

It's a game you play on a board, with pieces that you move around said board. What else would it be? Also, what were you saying about Battleship and Connect 4? It feels like your sentence cuts off half way though.

OT: Chess. Monopoly is a fucking terrible board game. It's literally all luck, considering nobody EVER trades anything, it just comes down to the rolls of other people being in your favour and your rolls making you miss spots where you need to pay. I don't think I've ever finished a game of Monopoly in my life; it takes fucking ages and there's almost no fun to be had.

Aetrion:
How is Monopoly even a contender? It was developed specifically to not be fun and teach people about how real estate ownership lets individuals snowball to total domination rather than actually requiring hard work or intelligence.

Not only that, it's just not a good game. The optimal strategy/strategies are easily solvable and the rest of the game relies on pure dumb luck of the dice. Not to mention everything after most or all of the properties have been purchased (the end game if you will) is a game of keep rolling until everyone but the winner runs out of money. The amount of actual interesting decision making that goes on in the game is only marginally above that of snakes and ladders.

FPLOON:
Barry? What's Game Grumps doing in Oregon?

Also, from personal experience, Monopoly can kill friendships... while Chess just bores friendships to death... So, I declare that Connect 4 is the true king of games...

COMaestro:
Go play some simple entry level games like Ticket To Ride, Carcassone, King of Tokyo, Pandemic, Tsuro, or try a deck-building game like Dominion or Trains, or even just a party style game like Coup, The Resistance, or Werewolf. Go from there to more advanced titles like Dead of Winter, Ghost Stories, Archipelago, etc. All of which are definitely better than Monopoly, and arguably Chess.

I fucking love Ticket To Ride... Who knew building railroads could be so much fun?

At least Risk wasn't on there. Monopoly may ruin friendships, but Risk can rip families apart!

captcha: fancy pants
describes Chris in this episode

Anyone who argues monopoly is a good board game is fricking retarded. The only reason I even own it is because the previous tenants of my house left it here and even owning it barely comes down to more than cannibalizing it for pieces to use in other games.

Shit man I'd rather not play a game than play monopoly.

At least chess is always just chess. Monopoly you play and then years later you hear people talking about monopoly and your like 'WTF are you talking about? none of that exists in monopoly, all you do is move around a board and buy stuff...' and they you find out you were actually playing junior monopoly and that the real thing is way more complicated.

Championing Chess over Go/baduk/weiqi? pfft! the latter is a superior game to the former in every regard.

my hipster-ish comment aside, I guess it was an okay comparison. Monopoly is too luck-based for my taste, but I admit to enjoying it from time to time.

Haven't played chess since high school, though. due to aforementioned board game elitism.

Aetrion:
How is Monopoly even a contender? It was developed specifically to not be fun and teach people about how real estate ownership lets individuals snowball to total domination rather than actually requiring hard work or intelligence.
I don't think anyone actually ever plays Monopoly, people just have it because it's considered the "standard board game".

Shun the nonbeliever, shuuuuun!

Although the fact that the creator of Monopoly was a miserable commie bastard who was attempting to malign capitalism with his game and had it backfire spectacularly always did amuse me.

In any case the real competition is clearly between Sorry and Clue.

Chess. And that IS the right answer.

Monopoly is literally the worst thing that happened to families ever. It's a horrible game. It's not even really a game. It's as much of a game as throwing dice and seeing who threw the bigger number. There are no actually viable decisions to be made in a game of monopoly. You roll the dice you buy or build on what you land on if you can. Rinse, repeat. Trading will always be a loosing proposition for one of the trade partners, turning it into more of a kingmaker move then anything else when trades actually happen.

Why yes I have lots of very strong opinions on board games and Monopoly in particular.

in my experience in chess there is a nurturing of respect for your opponent (if you are well matched and or/even bested).

i think simplistically because you sit thinking about the game and when they best you in a move its because they've done something you didn't see so it's like "oooooh...clever".

monopoly on the other hand in my experience nearly always devolves into a fight...

Goldjit:
What was that message at the end? April 18th? Are we losing this show too!?

April 16th is our 200th episode and we're calling it good. It's been planned that way long before any of the other shows left, so you can believe they stole all of our thunder.

That being said, we're not leaving, just doing a new show for the Escapist. It's a cartoon that we've been working on for years now, and felt it was time to try something new. Keep in mind, we've been doing this for almost 4 years, and now between Chris living 3 hours away, all three of us having kids, and Nintendo restricting the topics Chris can even talk about, it was time.

I hope you stick around to watch our new show though!

Firefilm:

Goldjit:
What was that message at the end? April 18th? Are we losing this show too!?

April 16th is our 200th episode and we're calling it good. It's been planned that way long before any of the other shows left, so you can believe they stole all of our thunder.

That being said, we're not leaving, just doing a new show for the Escapist. It's a cartoon that we've been working on for years now, and felt it was time to try something new. Keep in mind, we've been doing this for almost 4 years, and now between Chris living 3 hours away, all three of us having kids, and Nintendo restricting the topics Chris can even talk about, it was time.

I hope you stick around to watch our new show though!

Ahhh, it's replacing it. I shall miss No Right Answer. I shall look forward to the new show. :)

Have you ever tought about Water intoxication while doing the drinking round? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication)
No? OK, don't think about it then.

Full Metal Bolshevik:
Have you ever tought about Water intoxication while doing the drinking round? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication)
No? OK, don't think about it then.

They're drinking one glass; it takes about 6 litres to pose a threat to a fully grown man. They'll be fine.

OT: Aww, the mean comments last week made Dan hide behind a mustache.

Monopoly is popular, and was one of few options for a long time (alongside risk). But it was never good.
I had fun with it as a kid, because my friends were fun. I would have a much better time if I had access to the modern board games available today.

I understand that the point of the show is to stir the opinion pot, and a controversial choice can be fun to defend or go against, but Monopoly is so far from being good that I didn't even had the interest to watch it.

Monopoly is a fucking horrible game, the only reason its popular is because the huge number of diverse, entertaining and well made board games only really get attention from people who already like them.

Firefilm:

Goldjit:
What was that message at the end? April 18th? Are we losing this show too!?

April 16th is our 200th episode and we're calling it good. It's been planned that way long before any of the other shows left, so you can believe they stole all of our thunder.

That being said, we're not leaving, just doing a new show for the Escapist. It's a cartoon that we've been working on for years now, and felt it was time to try something new. Keep in mind, we've been doing this for almost 4 years, and now between Chris living 3 hours away, all three of us having kids, and Nintendo restricting the topics Chris can even talk about, it was time.

I hope you stick around to watch our new show though!

Question: Since the cartoon seems to be video game-based, does that mean there's going to be a limit to any Nintendo-based jokes/references considering Chris's position in relation to Nintendo?

Full Metal Bolshevik:
Have you ever tought about Water intoxication while doing the drinking round? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication)
No? OK, don't think about it then.

Holy shit! I did not know that that was actually a thing... and now, I wish I still didn't know... Good thing I didn't know when I was underage... That would have been awkward...

Apples to Spinach guys. You might like one more, but there are very different reasons to enjoy each game.

Personally, I worship chess as one of the best games ever made. Not just because of its age, but the depth of gameplay as well. It's strategy at its finest, and while I wouldn't say it's easy to learn (moderately easy), it is completely difficult to master. Monopoly just is a bunch of dice rolls. The only agency you have as a player is to decide to buy something or trade something, but the fallout of making those choices is still determined by the random chance of the dice. You have almost as much agency when you play Candy Land.

Lets through Risk in there too since this just seems to be a list of boardgames that people that don't play boardgames think are good.

Signa:
Apples to Spinach guys. You might like one more, but there are very different reasons to enjoy each game.

Personally, I worship chess as one of the best games ever made. Not just because of its age, but the depth of gameplay as well. It's strategy at its finest, and while I wouldn't say it's easy to learn (moderately easy), it is completely difficult to master.

Come on Chess isn't even the best Chaturanga style game, and it certainly isn't even close to the deepest or most complex game.

FPLOON:

Firefilm:

Goldjit:
What was that message at the end? April 18th? Are we losing this show too!?

April 16th is our 200th episode and we're calling it good. It's been planned that way long before any of the other shows left, so you can believe they stole all of our thunder.

That being said, we're not leaving, just doing a new show for the Escapist. It's a cartoon that we've been working on for years now, and felt it was time to try something new. Keep in mind, we've been doing this for almost 4 years, and now between Chris living 3 hours away, all three of us having kids, and Nintendo restricting the topics Chris can even talk about, it was time.

I hope you stick around to watch our new show though!

Question: Since the cartoon seems to be video game-based, does that mean there's going to be a limit to any Nintendo-based jokes/references considering Chris's position in relation to Nintendo?[quote="Full Metal Bolshevik" post="6.873329.21921280"]

Shhhhhhhhh secretssssssss

Firefilm:

FPLOON:

Firefilm:

April 16th is our 200th episode and we're calling it good. It's been planned that way long before any of the other shows left, so you can believe they stole all of our thunder.

That being said, we're not leaving, just doing a new show for the Escapist. It's a cartoon that we've been working on for years now, and felt it was time to try something new. Keep in mind, we've been doing this for almost 4 years, and now between Chris living 3 hours away, all three of us having kids, and Nintendo restricting the topics Chris can even talk about, it was time.

I hope you stick around to watch our new show though!

Question: Since the cartoon seems to be video game-based, does that mean there's going to be a limit to any Nintendo-based jokes/references considering Chris's position in relation to Nintendo?[quote="Full Metal Bolshevik" post="6.873329.21921280"]

Shhhhhhhhh secretssssssss

Oh right... I should have known...

Both are terrible as one relies entirely on RNG and the other one relies entirely on memorizing the 12 objectively best strategies.

Might as well be asking if Tic-Tac-Toe or War is the best game ever.

(personally I like Twilight Struggle...)

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