Windows 10 Review - Saving the Best For Last

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Downloaded and installed Windows 10. Start Menu would not open and it took five minutes for it to boot up from my login screen. Rolled back to Windows 7 after a half hour of discovering most of the features didn't work.

Imperioratorex Caprae:

My view of this article though is that it reads more like a review written by someone like me, who's not had too many horrible experiences with Windows and actually likes the overall features that 10 offers. Its not an advertisement, but it does read less like a review that is unbiased and more like someone loves the shit out of Windows. Honestly I could have seen myself writing this article, and I've not once been paid by Microsoft.

That's fair enough but such an article as you have described would at best be regarded as an opinion piece. A review, which this article claims to be, should go into the good and bad and give an overall view not just gush out the parts that the writer likes in a format that does look like a sales pitch from Microsoft. Heck on MSN I saw a similar looking piece which makes it look even more suspicious. So it is either a paid review or an opinion piece, either something worth calling out or a mislabeled article. Either way worth calling them out over.

This is honestly less like an opinion piece/paid ad and more like somebody read the marketing materials but never actually used the OS.

But what happens to my game save files? I'm currently in the middle of The Witcher 3, and it, along with several other games, are saved under Documents. Since Microsoft tends to change the file system ever so slightly when a new OS is installed, I'd just like to be sure that when I install Win 10, I won't have to backup my save files beforehand for relocation - though I probably will anyway.

T-Shirt Turtle:

Thanks, guys. I'm glad you all told me about the Nvidia thing. The laptop I was planning on doing the upgrade on has a GTX 560M (Yea, it's pretty old. Need to upgrade it soon) so I'm going to wait a couple of months to see if things get fixed.

They did actually fix it somewhat the day after it happened, not only have they disabled mandatory updates, you also have the option to hide or not install non-windows related updates.

I really WANT to like Windows 10, and I want to believe that the TOS was just too broadly written and will be updated to say that "These privacy issues are related to this app only and it goes away when you turn it off" but I'm not holding my breath. I mean some people are comparing this to Google's TOS for their operating systems but I remember them agreeing to anonymize your data before selling it so it can't be directly linked back to you, whereas Microsoft just gives you a advertizing ID.

Spyware, the operating system. That's how they should call it. Luckily, if you're not a complete noob you can disable all of the spying features such as services, scheduled tasks and telemetry can be disabled via the registry. But millions of people are still going to be spied on. I sincerely hope that the EU does something about this.

That's all nice and cozy however I like my OS operational. That kind of breaks Win 10 for me atm.
I installed Win 10 Pro on Friday and I reinstalled Win 7 Home Pro on Sunday.

DTS Connect is currently not operational on Win 10. It is an acknowledge bug by Microsoft and got nothing to do with drivers.
The fix however is yet to be released.

This is of course no deal breaker, I could live for a few weeks with only Pro Logic II avilable.
What broke the deal is the system instability Win 10 caused for me.
Under Win 10 my PC froze roughly after 20 min of gaming with a hard reset necessary. I made no changes to hardware and before the upgrade to win 10 the machine worked flawlessly for weeks.

Since I wasn't able to game on my gaming PC anymore and I couldn't figure out what was causing I reverted back on Sunday.
Since then I had no crashes at all despite me playing quite a lot.

So for Win 10 atm: Thanks but no thanks. Will try in 3 month or something again.

lunavixen:
Yyyyeah, I'm going to stick to Windows 7 for now. I doubt my PC could support Windows 10 at the moment anyway, she's no spring chicken, that and with what one of the above posts said about Nvidia issues with W10, yeah, not going near it.

They fixed the Nvidia bug about 6 hours after official launch. The newest updated drivers from Nvidia should cause 0 issues. At most you'll have to restart your computer an extra time.

On topic. Windows 10 has been excellent for me so far. No real hiccups and all the little bells and whistles it has are actually really nice. Cortana has been surprisingly helpful, the action center is quite wonderful, the ability to uninstall something directly without needin to go through the control panel is great.

The thing I'm most surprised at liking are the apps. Originally I felt they were super unnecessary because all I had to do was open up a tab in my browser and it'd handle all the app stuff for me. However after using them its really nice. Because it integrates with the action center through the apps I'll always get a thing about new messages, emails, etc through the action center without having to have the app open. I don't need a million tabs on my browser anymore since Windows handles actually checkin that stuff for me.

OneDrive is pretty nice too. Haven't used it a ton, but the idea of always having a form of cloud data storage that (as far as I can tell) doesn't have a ridiculously low limit will definitely come in handy down the line.

Imperioratorex Caprae:

Baresark:

1. That is fine if you think that, but MS has spoken publicly about the poor reception of W8. That is one of the stated reasons for the free upgrade for the first year. But others on here also don't feel it reads like much of a review since it's essentially talking about MS own selling points for the OS. My criticism is that it only talked about these points and not any of the essential points of an OS.

2. I never claimed to be speaking for everyone. I'm sure there are people out there who care about the new features, but as a guy who works with technology, the main features I care about are the ones that are still going to be in common use a year or two from now. To me, that means Cortana will all but have disappeared (like Siri and how it's just a novelty for everyone I have ever met who uses and iPad) and multiple desktops, while still being there, are not going to mean much to most users. That is just a couple of examples.

3. I have been working on PC's for almost as long and you are right, it's not that intrusive. But it's like when you are walking towards the sink to wash dishes and someone asks you when you are gonna wash the dishes, it's super annoying and starts to grate on you after it happens on every trip to the sink. If you read a bit more carefully I stated that I shut mine off but I work with computers so I see it all the time regardless of what I do on my own computer/workstation.

4. I didn't pan it, I just stated that it's not a talking point here and now because of the same reasons you stated, plus the fact that a lot of those features are going to show up in some form in DX11.3. I can't logically pan it because we have only read about how awesome it's going to be, but using that same reasoning it can't be a logical talking point now. We could be looking at another DX10 for all we know, it's too early to tell.

I also never stated my opinion as fact, only my opinion. Just as I read this review as an opinion and not a fact piece. To reiterate: I never said I speak for everyone but I also do use hyperbole when I write these responses sometimes.

Fair enough. I do understand your point of view, I've worked with so many different types of users in my life that its damn near impossible to pin down what features are going to be a hit and which ones are just novelties IMO. I've been using Microsoft operating systems for a long time, I think DOS 3.0 was my first OS but I can't be sure because its fuzzy memories, and while I've had a few trying and frustrating experiences, overall I've had more good than bad. Whether I've been lucky or what I'm not sure but I hardly ever encounter the issues that a lot of people scream about, especially lately with 8.1.

My view of this article though is that it reads more like a review written by someone like me, who's not had too many horrible experiences with Windows and actually likes the overall features that 10 offers. Its not an advertisement, but it does read less like a review that is unbiased and more like someone loves the shit out of Windows. Honestly I could have seen myself writing this article, and I've not once been paid by Microsoft.

I'm with you. I complained but I'm not against W10 by any stretch. There are features I like very much and a lot of them are some features that were introduced in W8, which I never upgraded to. I'm definitely looking forward to upgrading but I also figured that I will wait just a little bit to let any lingering driver issues clear up.

Jeffrey Mills:

Windows 95, WinME, Windows Vista, Windows XP, Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 10.

OK, well you missed 3.1 and 98 for starters, and Vista came after XP not before.

I agree 10 is an improvement over 8 but that isn't saying much. For a keyboard & mouse user both 7 and XP were simpler from an interface perspective.

Really? From all I been hearing from about all of my friends, this is absolutely horrible. Thank goodness I decided to stay with 7.

So I went and upgraded, I have a LOT of problems with this new OS.

First I'm getting massive slowdowns and freezes for up to 5 seconds It's really getting annoying and half the time I can't tell if my computer has stopped working or if the commands I just entered will actually execute, which sometimes executes a command I entered while it froze, multiple times despite only pressing it once.

I've had programs open and close on me, games stop working or even refuse to launch, steam had a shit fit the first time I launched it, the X maximize / minimize on the upper right hand corner of my explorer is half missing but thankfully I remember where all that is.

I'm having problems with certain programs getting them to connect to servers, also my connection in general has dropped in quality. This OS is pretty much making my computer run like a windows 98 with porn virus'.

So yeah probably going back to W7HP

EDIT: Plus the mere fact that they data mine, shady, shady microsoft.

Thunderous Cacophony:
Surprised that Cortana got such rosy coverage; most people's reports are that it is way behind in the accuracy of it's listening and searching.

Also, if I may put on my tin foil hat, This is the first and (so far) only action of Jeffrey Mills on the Escapist, and a quick online search doesn't turn up any prominent tech journalists of that name. For something like a new Windows review, it's strange enough that the Escapist would allow non-staff to write their review, let alone an unknown person who doesn't even have a little 'About the Author' blurb at the bottom of the last page.

Jeff was a long-time employee of Game Front, last under Defy Media. He's a tech guy. He worked diligently behind the scenes for years, occasionally publishing something with his name on it, but largely doing the kind of work that is effectively invisible to most people. I worked with Jeff for a couple of years during my time at Game Front, as did Janelle Bonanno (Escapist Editorial Director) and Ron Whitaker (Escapist Community Manager) - the latter actually worked with Jeff for a decade or so (?). Basically, we know Jeff, and we've always known him to be a PC guy. He is the last man left running Game Front (I believe), and being in the employ of Defy, it's not at all farfetched that he'd be writing this review. Hope that quells your concerns! I do understand why you would have them.

Can I ask one thing about Win 10?

Does it do what 8.1 does if you can't connect to MS and have your account connected? ie, just not work... unless you have thought ahead and created a separate user with no MS account for online set up?

Because that was such an odd decision, that it doesn't just give you a "well, cant connect... shall I use the backup on the HD?" option. If Steam can do this, why not MS?

KaraFang:
Can I ask one thing about Win 10?

Does it do what 8.1 does if you can't connect to MS and have your account connected? ie, just not work... unless you have thought ahead and created a separate user with no MS account for online set up?

Because that was such an odd decision, that it doesn't just give you a "well, cant connect... shall I use the backup on the HD?" option. If Steam can do this, why not MS?

Yes. if you connect your online account to windows 10 you cannot login without internet connection (or if MS servers dont work, though ive never seen that happen personally).

I'm sticking with Windows 8.0 Pro (with a small registry tweak to prevent forced updates) until I get concrete answers on the issues of continual forced updates and multilingual compatibility. I want a rock-solid reliable experience first and foremost. Software glitches and feature removal (and ad addition) in my frequently used applications are frustrating enough as it is without the OS itself throwing its hat in the arena too. I pay to not deal with all of this. My experiences with Windows 8.0 and 8.1 have left me rather scared and scarred.

EDIT: Rhykker cleared it up.

Still though, it's sad that Win7 will be the last great Windows OS where the consumer has the most control.

None of the features mentioned by this article make me want to upgrade and it rings more than a few alarmbells that the author couldn't find anything undesirable about this OS while a quick glance at the comments section reveals that it would not even work with my nvidia card right now and that there's some serious privacy concerns when using win10 which loves collecting data to throw targeted ads in your face (we all want that to be a core feature of our OS, right? Right?).

But that wasn't even what took it to convince me not to "upgrade", the fact that cortana apparently automagically phones home for all searches because you totes want to search the internet when searching for system settings (wtf) and the very fact that a windows store is a fixed component of this OS as well as microsoft holding directx 12 hostage for no technically justifiable reason is more than enough to make me not want to upgrade.

This article mentioning none of the above makes the escapist look shady and untrustworthy and sadly, this doesn't come as a surprise to me at this point.

Some pics regarding the privacy concerns.

A bit alarmist, but the info checks out.
http://i.imgur.com/U4Z4ucD.png
http://i.imgur.com/K5kdA3p.jpg

Why no mention of all the privacy issues? Microsoft's new license agreement basically gives it the right to do whatever they want with your stuff. If you want to use Cortana or OneDrive, then everything they have access to (hint: that's everything - your email, your filesystem, your browsing habits, EVERYTHING) can be sent to Microsoft and to any third party they choose, for whatever purposes they choose. Your WiFi passwords are automatically shared with your Facebook friends. You have targeted advertising right in the new Start Menu itself.
It is technically possible to opt out of much of this, by not using a Microsoft account and uninstalling certain Windows components, as well as editing various registry keys, however the price of this is that you will be completely unable to use Cortana, OneDrive, the MS app store, and the Xbox integration. And the license agreement also gives Microsoft the right to turn any of this back on at any time without notifying you.
The old rule about skipping every even-numbered Windows release looks like it still holds true. Might be time to start thinking about a return to Linux and WINE.

Thunderous Cacophony:
Surprised that Cortana got such rosy coverage; most people's reports are that it is way behind in the accuracy of it's listening and searching.

And if you don't speak standard American English I hear that it is pretty much completely unusable. In particular, it does not understand Australian accents.

CAPTCHA: "square one"
Yes, Microsoft, square one. Take a hint.

Adam Jensen:
Spyware, the operating system. That's how they should call it. Luckily, if you're not a complete noob you can disable all of the spying features such as services, scheduled tasks and telemetry can be disabled via the registry. But millions of people are still going to be spied on. I sincerely hope that the EU does something about this.

Is there a guide anywhere that tells you everything you need to disable?

dochmbi:
It pisses me off how every review praises Cortana and tells me what a great new feature it is, without ever mentioning the region limitations. It's not available to me, despite my Windows language being english. How much region specific information does Cortana really need?

They probably haven't finished lining up advertisers for your region yet.

Thunderous Cacophony:

Also, if I may put on my tin foil hat, This is the first and (so far) only action of Jeffrey Mills on the Escapist, and a quick online search doesn't turn up any prominent tech journalists of that name. For something like a new Windows review, it's strange enough that the Escapist would allow non-staff to write their review, let alone an unknown person who doesn't even have a little 'About the Author' blurb at the bottom of the last page.

Good catch. Yeah, it sounds like he's a plant.

RedRockRun:

Thunderous Cacophony:

Also, if I may put on my tin foil hat, This is the first and (so far) only action of Jeffrey Mills on the Escapist, and a quick online search doesn't turn up any prominent tech journalists of that name. For something like a new Windows review, it's strange enough that the Escapist would allow non-staff to write their review, let alone an unknown person who doesn't even have a little 'About the Author' blurb at the bottom of the last page.

Good catch. Yeah, it sounds like he's a plant.

Maybe not a plant, but certainly at least an over-enthusiastic early adopter with insufficient scrutiny of the changes.

It's somewhat disappointing that the review looks as if the author started the os and just wrote a few lines about the first few features that the os presented him. The review content looks rather superficial.
Especially the privacy concerns should at least be mentioned, it's a rather big issue.
What others wrote in this thread so far concerning things like the built in keylogger, make me wonder about the legality of the program.

infohippie:

RedRockRun:

Thunderous Cacophony:

Also, if I may put on my tin foil hat, This is the first and (so far) only action of Jeffrey Mills on the Escapist, and a quick online search doesn't turn up any prominent tech journalists of that name. For something like a new Windows review, it's strange enough that the Escapist would allow non-staff to write their review, let alone an unknown person who doesn't even have a little 'About the Author' blurb at the bottom of the last page.

Good catch. Yeah, it sounds like he's a plant.

Maybe not a plant, but certainly at least an over-enthusiastic early adopter with insufficient scrutiny of the changes.

Rhykker actually chimed in this thread and said that Mills is a behind-the-scenes person working at Game Front, which is also owned by Defy, with a history with a few of the staff here. He's also a PC guy. Doesn't really explain why he was chosen to write the piece, but it does give him some credibility to do; thanks for reminding me to edit my original post.

I will give it a month or two to download and install it which hopefully should be enough time to sort out the bugs it has at the moment. Also need to backup my stuff just to be on the safe side too.

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