Fantastic Four - Fantastic Failure

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Fantastic Four - Fantastic Failure

Fox has rebooted the Fantastic Four franchise in order to keep the film rights away from Marvel. Is there a worse reason to make a movie?

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I think we all saw this coming, certainly from early trailers, and possibly even earlier, given the troubled development.

Called it...

Black guy was just tokenism that was used to stir up some controversy cause they knew their movie was bad and boring

You have superheros.. let them do superhero stuff! You have years of superhero movies to draw inspiration from... let them go out and let the characters play with their superpowers!

Not have them sit around the entire movie moping about them.

Captcha: forget this

huh... captcha seems awfully sentient again today.

So at this point is it possible for this movie to do so poorly that Marvel can take it back, or is Fox able to just shit out a movie every ten years with no consequence?

I have to say I'm sad to hear this... not surprised, but sad

Rikun:
So at this point is it possible for this movie to do so poorly that Marvel can take it back, or is Fox able to just shit out a movie every ten years with no consequence?

Fox needs to loose a lot of money for that to happen. But they've covered their basses for just in case that happens. It can't make money off of the ads so anyone buying that Denny's Thing burger is helping Fox. It needs to be last in the box office. I'm hoping the limited release DBZ movie is number one just to shame Fox forever.

However, baring a flop that poisons any Fox superhero movie to ever come out we have a problem.

Fox did this before with X3, but it just didn't' flop hard enough.
Then they did First Class and many people forgot how bad things can get.

Now Fantastic Four is even worse.
But Deadpool looks like it's in the perfect direction. Honest to the comics.
But do we really want Deadpool in every Fox movie trying to drag in the audience like with Wolverine?

I guess it was devine fate that stop me and my mate from meeting up tomorrow to watched it.

Also at some point in the future, if the FF ever show the multiverse (one of the things they do in their comics) they would show an image of this film and possible the last two other different studio films aswell.

Rikun:
So at this point is it possible for this movie to do so poorly that Marvel can take it back, or is Fox able to just shit out a movie every ten years with no consequence?

No it's not because this film was super cheap only $120 million it would have to do Elektra bad for Fox to maybe give up on the franchise (they have until 2023 to release the next FF film).

medv4380:
Fox needs to loose a lot of money for that to happen. But they've covered their basses for just in case that happens. It can't make money off of the ads so anyone buying that Denny's Thing burger is helping Fox. It needs to be last in the box office. I'm hoping the limited release DBZ movie is number one just to shame Fox forever.

However, baring a flop that poisons any Fox superhero movie to ever come out we have a problem.

Fox did this before with X3, but it just didn't' flop hard enough.
Then they did First Class and many people forgot how bad things can get.

Now Fantastic Four is even worse.
But Deadpool looks like it's in the perfect direction. Honest to the comics.
But do we really want Deadpool in every Fox movie trying to drag in the audience like with Wolverine?

I don't get this whole we want Disney to be the only one to make Marvel films because if Disney did do you think with at most 2-3 films a year we would ever have had a GotG or Antman film? let alone Dr Strange, Captain Marvel, Black Panther and Inhumans?

P-89 Scorpion:

medv4380:
Fox needs to loose a lot of money for that to happen. But they've covered their basses for just in case that happens. It can't make money off of the ads so anyone buying that Denny's Thing burger is helping Fox. It needs to be last in the box office. I'm hoping the limited release DBZ movie is number one just to shame Fox forever.

However, baring a flop that poisons any Fox superhero movie to ever come out we have a problem.

Fox did this before with X3, but it just didn't' flop hard enough.
Then they did First Class and many people forgot how bad things can get.

Now Fantastic Four is even worse.
But Deadpool looks like it's in the perfect direction. Honest to the comics.
But do we really want Deadpool in every Fox movie trying to drag in the audience like with Wolverine?

I don't get this whole we want Disney to be the only one to make Marvel films because if Disney did do you think with at most 2-3 films a year we would ever have had a GotG or Antman film? let alone Dr Strange, Captain Marvel, Black Panther and Inhumans?

There is such a thing as Super Hero fatigue and yes we'd still get GotG and Antman because adding new actors into the franchise is pretty cheap compared to having Ironman etc (Why we had Falcon in Antman rather than any of the other Avengers). Disney is a big company they can work out what to do with the characters (Plus the fact that all F4 movies have been pretty bad means they'd likely take a break anyhow)

At least the 90's Fantastic Four was made by people doing the best they could with an extremely limited budget thinking it was an actual release movie, with Actors who were doing there best and a Director doing their hardest.

What is it with the Fantastic Four that makes them just sit around and do nothing with their powers in their movies? Is it really that hard to make them go rescue people from a fire or stop a bank robbery or something?

hittite:
What is it with the Fantastic Four that makes them just sit around and do nothing with their powers in their movies? Is it really that hard to make them go rescue people from a fire or stop a bank robbery or something?

Yes because that would be fun and exciting where as this is supposed to be "DARK and GRITTY" meaning no fun at all.

The lack of enough color or emotional expression from the cast in the trailers told me enough: I'm skipping this. I don't know why people say the 2005 movie was bad; that one matched the tone of the comics and had a "wow" factor. This one is lacking in any joy or excitement at all.

P-89 Scorpion:

medv4380:
Fox needs to loose a lot of money for that to happen. But they've covered their basses for just in case that happens. It can't make money off of the ads so anyone buying that Denny's Thing burger is helping Fox. It needs to be last in the box office. I'm hoping the limited release DBZ movie is number one just to shame Fox forever.

However, baring a flop that poisons any Fox superhero movie to ever come out we have a problem.

Fox did this before with X3, but it just didn't' flop hard enough.
Then they did First Class and many people forgot how bad things can get.

Now Fantastic Four is even worse.
But Deadpool looks like it's in the perfect direction. Honest to the comics.
But do we really want Deadpool in every Fox movie trying to drag in the audience like with Wolverine?

I don't get this whole we want Disney to be the only one to make Marvel films because if Disney did do you think with at most 2-3 films a year we would ever have had a GotG or Antman film? let alone Dr Strange, Captain Marvel, Black Panther and Inhumans?

You don't get it because you think of it as Disney making them, and not Marvel who still has a large amount of control compared to most aquired properties.

So do you want
A) Fox, an entity that only cares about the property as a Marketing Gimmik
or
B) Marvel, an entity that worked hard to create, and establish the property, and who's existence hinges on the property doing well.

Such a hard choice. What's more baffling is how people like you keep Fox going by putting up with their poor quality. They'd do better if they worked with movies they actually had to put in effort to create their franchise in the first place.

medv4380:
You don't get it because you think of it as Disney making them, and not Marvel who still has a large amount of control compared to most aquired properties.

So do you want
A) Fox, an entity that only cares about the property as a Marketing Gimmik
or
B) Marvel, an entity that worked hard to create, and establish the property, and who's existence hinges on the property doing well.

Such a hard choice. What's more baffling is how people like you keep Fox going by putting up with their poor quality. They'd do better if they worked with movies they actually had to put in effort to create their franchise in the first place.

Marvel is owned by Disney, if Disney tells Marvel to do something they do it (like cancel the FF book and remove the X-men from nearly all merchandise so as not to advertise properties Fox owns the film rights too).

Disney and the current head of Marvel only see the Marvel films as nothing but a marketing gimmick that's why so much advertising for future films is packed into them regardless of the films current director's wishes.

Caramel Frappe:
. .. Wait, no ... no .... NO ....

How? How did someone who made an amazing movie like Chronicle screw up a movie involving the Fantastic Four to this extent?!! You would think he'd take this project seriously, or make the best of it. I heard rumors of him coming in drunk off his hide, or s*** faced though so ... maybe Fox forced him into this.

Wow what a disappointment. What a disaster of a film where nearly every critic, reviewer, fan ... everyone I know is not happy with this film. It upsets me, to know they really dropped the ball on this film mainly because they don't want to give Marvel back these unique superheroes. It's petty stuff, like ... embarrassing so to say. Shame on you Fox for hogging this franchise and making it go downhill rather then respecting these characters.

It's simple. Chronicle was his baby, and he cared about it. However, he didn't give two rats about Fantastic Four. Talent isn't worth much without passion.

P-89 Scorpion:

medv4380:
You don't get it because you think of it as Disney making them, and not Marvel who still has a large amount of control compared to most aquired properties.

So do you want
A) Fox, an entity that only cares about the property as a Marketing Gimmik
or
B) Marvel, an entity that worked hard to create, and establish the property, and who's existence hinges on the property doing well.

Such a hard choice. What's more baffling is how people like you keep Fox going by putting up with their poor quality. They'd do better if they worked with movies they actually had to put in effort to create their franchise in the first place.

Marvel is owned by Disney, if Disney tells Marvel to do something they do it (like cancel the FF book and remove the X-men from nearly all merchandise so as not to advertise properties Fox owns the film rights too).

Disney and the current head of Marvel only see the Marvel films as nothing but a marketing gimmick that's why so much advertising for future films is packed into them regardless of the films current director's wishes.

Marvels blood feud with Fox goes back to long before Disney ever bought Marvel, and their writing XMen and FF out goes back to when they did Iron Man. Something about a lawsuit which was more of Fox throwing a tantrum because Marvel wasn't exclusively marketing XMen related mutant properties. XMen doesn't look much like it did in its height in the 90's, but it has little to do with Disney. It might seem to someone unfamiliar with comics, but the decent of Cyclops into a villain was planned out in the 90's with the references to the Summers Rebellion.

But keep you revisionist history. I don't really care how twisted you mind wants it to be.

The Thing doesn't wear pants. They must have figured no one would see him naked anyway.

Yeah, all I've heard is that this movie is dreck. Utter and complete garbage. And I'm not surprised. Fox obviously knew it was bad as they have been hiding this movie the whole time. I didn't even know it was coming out already.

medv4380:

Rikun:
So at this point is it possible for this movie to do so poorly that Marvel can take it back, or is Fox able to just shit out a movie every ten years with no consequence?

Fox needs to loose a lot of money for that to happen. But they've covered their basses for just in case that happens. It can't make money off of the ads so anyone buying that Denny's Thing burger is helping Fox. It needs to be last in the box office. I'm hoping the limited release DBZ movie is number one just to shame Fox forever.

That would be awesome and hilarious. And honestly, it could happen. I have no idea how many people have seen this movie, but when I saw Resurrection F Tuesday, the theater was packed. It would be difficult for DBZ to completely wreck this movie, but not impossible if it does really poorly.

medv4380:
However, baring a flop that poisons any Fox superhero movie to ever come out we have a problem.

Fox did this before with X3, but it just didn't' flop hard enough.
Then they did First Class and many people forgot how bad things can get.

Now Fantastic Four is even worse.
But Deadpool looks like it's in the perfect direction. Honest to the comics.
But do we really want Deadpool in every Fox movie trying to drag in the audience like with Wolverine?

Actually how does Fox have the rights to Deadpool? I thought they only had Fantastic Four and X-Men. Is it just because Deadpool is semi related to Wolverine?

That being said, Deadpool does actually look good. And I think a large chunk of that is that the people making the movie seem to care. So that goes a long way. Still, I can see things going poorly in the long run. I guess we should try to enjoy the ride while it lasts and let the companies fight about rights.

P-89 Scorpion:

I don't get this whole we want Disney to be the only one to make Marvel films because if Disney did do you think with at most 2-3 films a year we would ever have had a GotG or Antman film? let alone Dr Strange, Captain Marvel, Black Panther and Inhumans?

Quality > Quantity

I'd rather have one Guardians of the Galaxy than two Fant4stick

Also, aren't all of those movies you mentioned being made by Marvel as part of Phase 3?

Well, a Fantastic Four is getting trashed in reviews and another super hero (team) is getting their origin retold in cinemas again. What's new?

I swear their needs to be a law against super hero origin stories in movies more than once ever 20 years. A quick 2 minute flash back montage or subtle hints in dialog to retcon and fill in characters' backgrounds is fine, but spending most of a movie redoing everything again is getting pretty damn stale, even is otherwise good movies. At least the Ed Norton Hulk glossed over the accident that makes him big green and mean in a brief flashback, instead of spending 1/2 of the runtime on something the audience either knows, can infer from context, or doesn't even care about.

People seriously need to stop seeing these out of curiosity or because they decided to go to the movies and FF was the only cool sounding movie that was starting soon, and definitly stop buying whatever merchandise Fox has managed to squeeze out of this movie. (I think they got a deal with Crush, the soda brand. Wow.) Those are the only reasons Fox is still making bank on this. Don't take your kids to see it, just because it's Marvel. Tell them it's boring and you'll rent it later. At least that's the truth this time.

The movies are getting even cheaper too, with production placement in the second (the Dodge hovercar?) and now cheaper leads. It's starting to show that they are desperate to punch out something cheap that will fill the seats on name alone until word of mouth spreads that the movie is dung. Maybe Marvel's merchandising embargo on FF stuff and the resulting box office numbers will be enough for Fox to cave in (or put some actual effort into the next one).

Saltyk:
Actually how does Fox have the rights to Deadpool? I thought they only had Fantastic Four and X-Men. Is it just because Deadpool is semi related to Wolverine?

Deadpool is a mutant so that makes him automatically under Fox's belt.

So, it's like a full-length equivalent to seeing "Galactus" in Rise of the Silver Surfer... Got it...

Other than that, the only thing I hate the most about this movie is the thought of what it could have been in general...

Saltyk:

Quality > Quantity

I'd rather have one Guardians of the Galaxy than two Fant4stick

Also, aren't all of those movies you mentioned being made by Marvel as part of Phase 3?

My post previous post

"I don't get this whole we want Disney to be the only one to make Marvel films because if Disney did do you think with at most 2-3 films a year we would ever have had a GotG or Antman film? let alone Dr Strange, Captain Marvel, Black Panther and Inhumans?"

I said that in response to those who wished Marvel never sold the Spiderman, x-men and FF film rights.

Because if Marvel/Disney did have those rights we wouldn't have got a GotG, Dr Strange, Captain Marvel, Black Panther and Inhumans solo films as Marvel/Disney would have the very popular Spiderman, X-men as well as FF (there not popular).

Marvel/Disney did try to get the FF rights and when they couldn't they picked the GotG as there cosmic characters for instance.

LordLundar:

Saltyk:
Actually how does Fox have the rights to Deadpool? I thought they only had Fantastic Four and X-Men. Is it just because Deadpool is semi related to Wolverine?

Deadpool is a mutant so that makes him automatically under Fox's belt.

Deadpool is not, nor ever has been a mutant.

Fox has Deadpool because they have the rights to nearly all characters who first appeared in a comic related to the X-men.

I did not know that was the reason they keep releasing these. Wow. I mean at least give some budding script writers and directors a chance at it, not poop it out like a chore!
Anyone remember that Mad Max film that happened in this year? Yeah, just reminding you that films are still, and can be goodish ;) in fact, someone reminded me earlier today of that particular example. However, they allegedly haven't seen Independence Day, so I had no choice but to remove them from their Earthly chains, as only quantum lizard sloths from venus have not seen that film!

As I expected the critical hate is thick but as I actually saw the movie tonight I know it was perfectly fine, a completely average movie....an that's it's problem; the average superhero film no longer holds a candle to Marvel's cineverse anymore.

So yeah, FF was fun, but nowhere near Ant-Man level fun for sure, and definitely better than the last two FF movies. I'd actually be interested in seeing a sequel, although what would be better would be for Marvel to recover the movie rights.

Dear Fox:

Deadpool will be your last chance. Either you make that movie good, or I will find some way to sell ALL of your Comic licenses back to Marvel for a penny. Clearly, that's what they're worth to you.

Burned Hand:

P-89 Scorpion:

LordLundar:

Deadpool is a mutant so that makes him automatically under Fox's belt.

Deadpool is not, nor ever has been a mutant.

Fox has Deadpool because they have the rights to nearly all characters who first appeared in a comic related to the X-men.

That's riiiight, I forgot about that. He was born human, and they gave him a healing factor in Weapon-X to save him from cancer.

Yeah, Deadpool is what is called a Mutate. Someone who was born without the X-Gene, but was able to acquire mutant abilities through scientific methods.

Well now Roger Corman can say he made a much less awful FF movie for exactly the same reason and a fraction of the budget!

I mean, at least Corman's effort slides into the 'so bad its good' category

Having just come from the theater a few hours ago, I feel the need to sit down and record my thoughts for posterity's sake. Now before I go on I feel the need to preface this, if nothing else to show how this movie has affected me: I DON'T hate this movie. In fact, I find this movie to be one of the most fascinating pieces of art I have seen in a long time. And yes I did say art. What this movie is is a fucking murder mystery that of cinematic effort that fails at every possible point, and it is up to us to find out who done it. The writing: garbage. The characters: flat. The direction: boring and lifeless. The villain: less than one-dimensional. What this movie is a profound train wreck that could not be recreated even if someone were to try... and let me tell you, no one "tried" this time around. Right now I am giddy just at the prospect of going and all philosophical on a piece of cinematic horseshit and just asking, "How? How is this thing possible?" Honestly, I have no idea who is ultimately to blame, though I will be damned if Josh Trank thinks he can send out a tweet and wash his hands of this. Did studio execs meddle? Almost certainly, but if even they had went and added a giant goddamn spider for literally no reason at all, that doesn't excuse the fact that none of the characters have any chemistry, that doesn't excuse the fact that some of the writing is truly offensive intellectually ("The biochemistry is off the charts!"), and that doesn't excuse the fact that Doom's motivations can be summed up as "I hate the world, therefore I should destroy it!" I mean people give the MCU for shitty villains, but this is next level shittiness. Whatever level of mediocrity this movie was hoping to coast by on in the first two-thirds are immediately ground in dust and snorted up by that Mass Effect husk looking motherfucker. Oh and in case you don't think he looks like a husk, just look at this design.

Honestly, I have gone on long enough. This movie will be a black mark on the careers of everyone involved and while some may recover, some careers are irreparably fucked forever.

Burned Hand:
-snip-

To the point that he can make a tragic and to some points even sympathetic... erm, 'hero'. When the writers don't just use him as a gag or a medium for pop culture references. Which is unfortunately most of the time.

Kinda miss the 'I now realize I've never experienced happiness. I put on a good show, but I simply don't know the meaning of the word and I never will' Deadpool.

OT: I'm honestly not that surprised, I hadn't even heard about it until somebody was posting critic reactions to it. I wonder how it feels to be a fan of the Fantastic Four? Will they ever get a get movie.

Happiness Assassin:
("The biochemistry is off the charts!")

Seriously ? Is that an actual line ?

Xsjadoblayde:
I did not know that was the reason they keep releasing these. Wow. I mean at least give some budding script writers and directors a chance at it, not poop it out like a chore!
Anyone remember that Mad Max film that happened in this year? Yeah, just reminding you that films are still, and can be goodish ;) in fact, someone reminded me earlier today of that particular example. However, they allegedly haven't seen Independence Day, so I had no choice but to remove them from their Earthly chains, as only quantum lizard sloths from venus have not seen that film!

Exactly this. Why make it so badly, when there's this big pile of money waiting for a good production? Only reason for such a terrible movie is FOX wanting to hurt the franchise, and hurt Marvel. There's no way they'd be that petty though.

...They wouldn't, would they?

Wiggum Esquilax:

Xsjadoblayde:
I did not know that was the reason they keep releasing these. Wow. I mean at least give some budding script writers and directors a chance at it, not poop it out like a chore!
Anyone remember that Mad Max film that happened in this year? Yeah, just reminding you that films are still, and can be goodish ;) in fact, someone reminded me earlier today of that particular example. However, they allegedly haven't seen Independence Day, so I had no choice but to remove them from their Earthly chains, as only quantum lizard sloths from venus have not seen that film!

Exactly this. Why make it so badly, when there's this big pile of money waiting for a good production? Only reason for such a terrible movie is FOX wanting to hurt the franchise, and hurt Marvel. There's no way they'd be that petty though.

...They wouldn't, would they?

Well, F4 comics arent exaclty hot sellers theese days, and as mentioned before Marvel still has the merch rights so theres none of that going around either.

And at this time it looks like the movie is going to rake in less than a quarter of its production budget at the box office, so any future attempts at a movie to keep F4 out of Marvels hands by Fox is going to be nothing short of petty.

Speaking of which, rumor has it theres a sequel coming in 2017.

Wiggum Esquilax:

Xsjadoblayde:
I did not know that was the reason they keep releasing these. Wow. I mean at least give some budding script writers and directors a chance at it, not poop it out like a chore!
Anyone remember that Mad Max film that happened in this year? Yeah, just reminding you that films are still, and can be goodish ;) in fact, someone reminded me earlier today of that particular example. However, they allegedly haven't seen Independence Day, so I had no choice but to remove them from their Earthly chains, as only quantum lizard sloths from venus have not seen that film!

Exactly this. Why make it so badly, when there's this big pile of money waiting for a good production? Only reason for such a terrible movie is FOX wanting to hurt the franchise, and hurt Marvel. There's no way they'd be that petty though.

...They wouldn't, would they?

Don't doubt just how petty corporate culture can get. There's a rumor that Hideo Kojima and his entire branch at Konami were torn apart because Kojima made a crack about the size of one of the higher ups junk.

PBMcNair:

Happiness Assassin:
("The biochemistry is off the charts!")

Seriously ? Is that an actual line ?

100% true. That is right up there with "The neutrinos have mutated."

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