Regretting Our Words and Deeds

I for one welcome our pachinko overlords...

Actually on second thought that is utterly stupid. #FucKonami

Don't know about begging him to stay with FucKonomi, personally I'd rather see him start up his own indie studio. FucKonomi is currently going through a slash'n'burn phase in which it's actively trying to destroy all the franchises it owns...I'd recommend to any employees working there that are still passionate about making games that they should get the fuck out of there, fast.

Am I the only one who thinks its Hideo Kojima's own fault he got fired?

Konami is not Ubisoft/EA level of rich and big. Making 2 big games in the form of MGS 5 and probably Silent Hills? And both game had celebraty backing? (The guy from 24 in MGS5 and the guy from Walking Dead in PT) and both games developing in the sametime and using that obviously expensive FOX Engine and hiring Guillermo del Toro?

Clearly a sign of overbudgeting and Konami cannot afford both things.

Honestly, I'm fine with an end to Metal Gear.
My problem is that Konami still owns the rights to Boktai, so Kojima can't work on it like he should.

The Wooster:
Still, the idea of the Metal Gear series coming to a definitive end...

Yeah, I think it is kinda sad that it still belongs to Konami. I would play more "Metal Gear Platinum" but if we remember what horrid things they did to Silent Hill... Pachinko is the least worrying thing the can come up with.

Mmm, can't wait for Metal Gear Solid: Tactical Erotic Action - coming to a pachinko parlor near you!

Samtemdo8:
Clearly a sign of overbudgeting and Konami cannot afford both things.

If they cannot afford such things [edit] PT should never of been removed from play.[/edit]

My understanding is that they really do make a fortune from their Pachinko machines however.

Captcha: "Take the cake" ...indeed

So, the day before MGS5's release we will hear that Kojima's called up his old buddies in the Seals and they've stormed the building, thrown the board down the garbage chute and the company is now known as Kojami.

It wouldn't surprise me.

fix-the-spade:
So, the day before MGS5's release we will hear that Kojima's called up his old buddies in the Seals and they've stormed the building, thrown the board down the garbage chute and the company is now known as Kojami.

It wouldn't surprise me.

It turns out MSF is real and at one point Kojima really was a member after they found him in the back of a truck in Costa Rica.

Samtemdo8:
Am I the only one who thinks its Hideo Kojima's own fault he got fired?

Konami is not Ubisoft/EA level of rich and big. Making 2 big games in the form of MGS 5 and probably Silent Hills? And both game had celebraty backing? (The guy from 24 in MGS5 and the guy from Walking Dead in PT) and both games developing in the sametime and using that obviously expensive FOX Engine and hiring Guillermo del Toro?

Clearly a sign of overbudgeting and Konami cannot afford both things.

You do know that Konami makes enough money on Pachinko machines to make the profits from its video game branch look like chump change right?

I seriously doubt this is a case of Konami not being able to afford MGS5 and Silent Hill because they obviously can. If it was then Konami would at least be partially to blame for green lighting projects that were obviously going to be expensive from the very beginning.

Also if hiring the guy from Walking Dead for PT was too costly then why did they release PT for free in the first place? This is the same company that charged $30 for Ground Zeroes, its not like they are above this sort of thing.

When you combine the fact they already make a lot of money from Pachinko machines with the news and rumors about Konami's reshuffling, it seems more likely that Konami is just plain greedy, not poor.

Any chance that the Konami CEO can get canned? Or is it a nepotism scenario where he's king for life?

Zetatrain:

Samtemdo8:
Am I the only one who thinks its Hideo Kojima's own fault he got fired?

Konami is not Ubisoft/EA level of rich and big. Making 2 big games in the form of MGS 5 and probably Silent Hills? And both game had celebraty backing? (The guy from 24 in MGS5 and the guy from Walking Dead in PT) and both games developing in the sametime and using that obviously expensive FOX Engine and hiring Guillermo del Toro?

Clearly a sign of overbudgeting and Konami cannot afford both things.

You do know that Konami makes enough money on Pachinko machines to make the profits from its video game branch look like chump change right?

I seriously doubt this is a case of Konami not being able to afford MGS5 and Silent Hill because they obviously can. If it was then Konami would at least be partially to blame for green lighting projects that were obviously going to be expensive from the very beginning.

Also if hiring the guy from Walking Dead for PT was too costly then why did they release PT for free in the first place? This is the same company that charged $30 for Ground Zeroes, its not like they are above this sort of thing.

When you combine the fact they already make a lot of money from Pachinko machines with the news and rumors about Konami's reshuffling, it seems more likely that Konami is just plain greedy, not poor.

I like to know just how profitable is gambling and pachinko are in Japan alone?

How much money can be made from Pachinko in Japan alone compared to the most highest selling games ever internationally?

And yes I think Konami is not that rich compared to EA and Ubisoft. Konami does not have studios in other countries. They don't have a "Konami Montreal" or "Konami LA"

And looking at Budgets the highest Budget Konami game they ever made until now was MGS 4 and thats already eclipsed by games that already pushed the limit.

Grey Carter:
"...let's be honest, there are very studios in the world that wouldn't hire Hideo Kojima on the spot."

Wow. such Kojima. Very studios.

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Jokes aside, are we sure that he's that much of a commodity? Koge is great and all, but according to an interview (that I'll see if I can find), while one of the reasons he left was partly because Konami is basically a jail cell, there's also the idea that apparently Koge is such an outrageously expensive developer, and that [b]couldn't[b] have helped. "A very good creative mind, but not very good business sense" the lady said. Would other companies be more willing to toss endless amounts of money at him for his visions to be realized?

EDIT*
Found it! Thanks Google. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1085348

Let me make it clear that I'm not defending Konami. Hell, I for one kinda feel like money being no object and being absurdly hard to please usually leads to a better game. That said, realistically, while having his name attached to them sounds great on paper to any business, I wonder if they'll be any more comfortable with his conditions than Konami were.

xxobot:

Samtemdo8:
Clearly a sign of overbudgeting and Konami cannot afford both things.

If they cannot afford such things PT should never of been removed from play.

My understanding is that they really do make a fortune from their Pachinko machines however.

Captcha: "Take the cake" ...indeed

First off the link you posted is 404 nothing.

Secondly I remember hearing about hosting a demo in Sony's services cost a fee so of course they don't want to keep the demo up there forever.

What if Kojima's mind is nothing more than an elaborate pachinko machine, which lead to Konami's thinking that their "pachinko plan" was their next logical step in "honor" of Kojima's own mind?

Anyway, I'm sure Del Toro would be keeping an eye on Kojima the same way Kojima's Metal Gear would spy on Del Toro... metaphorically speaking, I think...

P.T = Pachinko Teaser

Anyway, I'm just surprised that you didn't use ol' DucKojima as per Escapist tradition.

Also, as always, #FucKonami.

Caramel Frappe:
If he stayed, all the things he slaved over would just burn anyways ... because Konami loves to ruin what we cherished as classic video games. Even EA, EA at least has some dignity for their franchises, despite what they did to Dead Space 3. At least they didn't turn Dead Space into a pachinko slot machine game because .. . .. for reasons??!

I am sorry. This is completely Off-Topic but I just have to say it. Caramel Frappe I've noticed your extravagant profile pictures for quite a while but I really have to congratulate you for your great taste in this one. You choose the BEST series this time!
Good Job!

Andy Shandy:
P.T = Pachinko Teaser

Anyway, I'm just surprised that you didn't use ol' DucKojima as per Escapist tradition.

Also, as always, #FucKonami.

Such things can be fixed in post.

Anyway, yeah it kind of such that the Metal Gear IP is to be left with FucKonami, but at least Kojima won't have to be stuck with those jackasses anymore.
Also, he and Del Toro said they still want to work together, so we may still get that Hills game under a different name.

Best of luck to Kojima and his team, and fuck Konami.

Caramel Frappe:
If he stayed, all the things he slaved over would just burn anyways ... because Konami loves to ruin what we cherished as classic video games. Even EA, EA at least has some dignity for their franchises, despite what they did to Dead Space 3. At least they didn't turn Dead Space into a pachinko slot machine game because .. . .. for reasons??!

I'd imagine the reason they haven't turned a game franchise into a pachinko machine is because it's not as popular outside Japan.

If it was, they would do it. Lets not forget what they did to Dungeon Keeper. ;p

Samtemdo8:

Zetatrain:

Samtemdo8:
Am I the only one who thinks its Hideo Kojima's own fault he got fired?

Konami is not Ubisoft/EA level of rich and big. Making 2 big games in the form of MGS 5 and probably Silent Hills? And both game had celebraty backing? (The guy from 24 in MGS5 and the guy from Walking Dead in PT) and both games developing in the sametime and using that obviously expensive FOX Engine and hiring Guillermo del Toro?

Clearly a sign of overbudgeting and Konami cannot afford both things.

You do know that Konami makes enough money on Pachinko machines to make the profits from its video game branch look like chump change right?

I seriously doubt this is a case of Konami not being able to afford MGS5 and Silent Hill because they obviously can. If it was then Konami would at least be partially to blame for green lighting projects that were obviously going to be expensive from the very beginning.

Also if hiring the guy from Walking Dead for PT was too costly then why did they release PT for free in the first place? This is the same company that charged $30 for Ground Zeroes, its not like they are above this sort of thing.

When you combine the fact they already make a lot of money from Pachinko machines with the news and rumors about Konami's reshuffling, it seems more likely that Konami is just plain greedy, not poor.

I like to know just how profitable is gambling and pachinko are in Japan alone?

How much money can be made from Pachinko in Japan alone compared to the most highest selling games ever internationally?

And yes I think Konami is not that rich compared to EA and Ubisoft. Konami does not have studios in other countries. They don't have a "Konami Montreal" or "Konami LA"

And looking at Budgets the highest Budget Konami game they ever made until now was MGS 4 and thats already eclipsed by games that already pushed the limit.

You're close; Konami has a location in El Segundo, CA, among other locations which you can find here.
http://www.konami-digital-entertainment.com/contact.php
Which only further drives home how crazy Konami is for abandoning all video games, if I'm hearing it right.

Samtemdo8:

Zetatrain:

Samtemdo8:
SNIP

You do know that Konami makes enough money on Pachinko machines to make the profits from its video game branch look like chump change right?

I seriously doubt this is a case of Konami not being able to afford MGS5 and Silent Hill because they obviously can. If it was then Konami would at least be partially to blame for green lighting projects that were obviously going to be expensive from the very beginning.

Also if hiring the guy from Walking Dead for PT was too costly then why did they release PT for free in the first place? This is the same company that charged $30 for Ground Zeroes, its not like they are above this sort of thing.

When you combine the fact they already make a lot of money from Pachinko machines with the news and rumors about Konami's reshuffling, it seems more likely that Konami is just plain greedy, not poor.

I like to know just how profitable is gambling and pachinko are in Japan alone?

How much money can be made from Pachinko in Japan alone compared to the most highest selling games ever internationally?

And yes I think Konami is not that rich compared to EA and Ubisoft. Konami does not have studios in other countries. They don't have a "Konami Montreal" or "Konami LA"

And looking at Budgets the highest Budget Konami game they ever made until now was MGS4 and thats already eclipsed by games that already pushed the limit.

Ok I was partially wrong on my Pachinko statement. After looking at Konami's financial statements it turns out the majority of their net revenues comes from their "Digital Entertainment" branch which includes video games. So my statement about their profits from Pachinko was false.

However, Pachinko is very profitable in Japan in fact you could say its a national obsession. Gambling is actually illegal in Japan, but the Pachinko industry operates in a way that gets around Japan's gambling laws. The Pachinko industry generates about 30 trillion yen in profits per year.

I haven't bothered comparing Konami as a whole to EA or Ubisoft, but they are definitely not a small time corporation. In addition to their Digital Entertainment branch they have a Health and Fitness Branch, Gambling branch (Foreign), and of course Pachinko branch (domestic). So once again Konami definitely has the money to fund big games like MGS V and Silent Hill with well known celebrities. I would also like to point out the the Yugioh Card game is arguably the most profitable product in the Digital Entertainment branch.

Also you are wrong about Konami not having any foreign studios
http://www.ign.com/companies/kojima-productions-142584
Granted I have no idea if it is still active given whats currently going on at Konami

While the majority of Konami's profits have been from their digital entertainment branch, over the past five years (at least) Konami has been slowly shifting their focus from this branch to their other branches especially their gambling and Pachinkco branches. Given the rumors and news we have been hearing about Konami it is possible they are making their first big step towards reorganizing the company.

Despite the profits they make from the AAA video game industry, its entirely possible that the highers ups at Konami decided that the Gambling and Pachinko industries would be more profitable if they focused the majority of their efforts into those industries instead of the AAA gaming industry.

Caramel Frappe:

Imp Emissary:

Caramel Frappe:
If he stayed, all the things he slaved over would just burn anyways ... because Konami loves to ruin what we cherished as classic video games. Even EA, EA at least has some dignity for their franchises, despite what they did to Dead Space 3. At least they didn't turn Dead Space into a pachinko slot machine game because .. . .. for reasons??!

I'd imagine the reason they haven't turned a game franchise into a pachinko machine is because it's not as popular outside Japan.

If it was, they would do it. Lets not forget what they did to Dungeon Keeper. ;p

Yeah, EA isn't entirely innocent ... in fact, saying they're innocent is far from the truth at hand. But even so, EA hasn't done anything to make Jim Sterling lose his crap like how Konami did. Konami's treatment towards video games, people, even their OWN employees is enough to ruin their business as a whole. Like seriously, have you heard what they make their employees go through? It's totally against the law man, or at least half of the stuff should be considered 'rights violated' in that context.

<.< I may have heard a few things, yes.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying EA is worse than Konami. Just saying that EA has done some things almost as bad if not equal to Konami. Including how they treat their developers.

Although, if I could trust them to also keep making good games I wouldn't care if they started making Silent Hill condoms.
Sadly, I'm not sure if I could trust them to even make a condom that wouldn't break. ;p

I'm pretty certain Kojima will either get hired on by a new studio or form his own studio. So I'm sure he's safe.

Let's me honest, plenty of companies would jump at the opportunity to have his name on some new games. Kojima is one of the few people in the game industry I legitimately think of as a Rock Star (The other is Miyamoto). Even ignoring his name recognition, this shit storm would likely make potential customers curious to see what new game Kojima as developed for [insert developer here]. Plus, he can make games other than Metal Gear, which I know makes him happy. Maybe we can see a spiritual successor to Zone of the Enders or Snatcher?

As for Konami, I'm feeling very conflicted on this. I don't know if I can buy MGSV. I don't know if I can support Konami after all this nonsense. After everything I've heard. After all the news of their treatment of their employees. After the way they have treated their own franchises. I don't know if I can support the company. In fact, I'm starting to no longer desire to even play MGSV purely because of the company's bad behavior. The game looks fine, but the company looks horrible.

This whole situation in depressing.

Zetatrain:

Samtemdo8:

Zetatrain:

You do know that Konami makes enough money on Pachinko machines to make the profits from its video game branch look like chump change right?

I seriously doubt this is a case of Konami not being able to afford MGS5 and Silent Hill because they obviously can. If it was then Konami would at least be partially to blame for green lighting projects that were obviously going to be expensive from the very beginning.

Also if hiring the guy from Walking Dead for PT was too costly then why did they release PT for free in the first place? This is the same company that charged $30 for Ground Zeroes, its not like they are above this sort of thing.

When you combine the fact they already make a lot of money from Pachinko machines with the news and rumors about Konami's reshuffling, it seems more likely that Konami is just plain greedy, not poor.

I like to know just how profitable is gambling and pachinko are in Japan alone?

How much money can be made from Pachinko in Japan alone compared to the most highest selling games ever internationally?

And yes I think Konami is not that rich compared to EA and Ubisoft. Konami does not have studios in other countries. They don't have a "Konami Montreal" or "Konami LA"

And looking at Budgets the highest Budget Konami game they ever made until now was MGS4 and thats already eclipsed by games that already pushed the limit.

Ok I was partially wrong on my Pachinko statement. After looking at Konami's financial statements it turns out the majority of their net revenues comes from their "Digital Entertainment" branch which includes video games. So my statement about their profits from Pachinko was false.

However, Pachinko is very profitable in Japan in fact you could say its a national obsession. Gambling is actually illegal in Japan, but the Pachinko industry operates in a way that gets around Japan's gambling laws. The Pachinko industry generates about 30 trillion yen in profits per year.

I haven't bothered comparing Konami as a whole to EA or Ubisoft, but they are definitely not a small time corporation. In addition to their Digital Entertainment branch they have a Health and Fitness Branch, Gambling branch (Foreign), and of course Pachinko branch (domestic). So once again Konami definitely has the money to fund big games like MGS V and Silent Hill with well known celebrities. I would also like to point out the the Yugioh Card game is arguably the most profitable product in the Digital Entertainment branch.

Also you are wrong about Konami not having any foreign studios
http://www.ign.com/companies/kojima-productions-142584
Granted I have not idea if it is still active given whats currently going on at Konami

While the majority of Konami's profits have been from their digital entertainment branch, over the past five years (at least) Konami has been slowly shifting their focus from this branch to their other branches especially their gambling and Pachinkco branches. Given the rumors and news we have been hearing about Konami it is possible they are making their first big step towards reorganizing the company.

Despite the profits they make from the AAA video game industry, its entirely possible that the highers ups at Konami decided that the Gambling and Pachinko industries would be more profitable if they focused the majority of their efforts in those industries instead of the AAA gaming industry.

See that reply is ten times better than all the over-zealous people in the internet spouting "#FuckKonami!!!"

Level-headed, factual, and neutral discussion.

No over-zealous, fanboy rants.

One of my issues with this whole Konami controversy is how increadibly over-zealous the gaming community is on this. Yes I think its a damn shame that Silent Hills is canceled, it could have been the proper sequal to the first 4 Silent Hills (even though I thought Downpour was worthy of being a return to form) and Konami may abandon gaming all together after the release of MGS 5.

But for goodness sake I feel everyone is still stuck in the anger stage of grief. I just man up and accept it like an adult.

(Personally though I have always been more of a Resident Evil guy than Silent Hills, I did play the first 3 games mind you)

Samtemdo8:
Am I the only one who thinks its Hideo Kojima's own fault he got fired?

Konami is not Ubisoft/EA level of rich and big. Making 2 big games in the form of MGS 5 and probably Silent Hills? And both game had celebraty backing? (The guy from 24 in MGS5 and the guy from Walking Dead in PT) and both games developing in the sametime and using that obviously expensive FOX Engine and hiring Guillermo del Toro?

Clearly a sign of overbudgeting and Konami cannot afford both things.

He doesn't set the budget, Konami does. All he can do is ask and then accept whatever Konami deems acceptable. While none of us knows for sure it seems like it was Konami's pigheaded control of the studio that led to the breakdown in the relationship. There are many grumblings of very unhappy Konami employees around the net.

Enzbe:

Caramel Frappe:
If he stayed, all the things he slaved over would just burn anyways ... because Konami loves to ruin what we cherished as classic video games. Even EA, EA at least has some dignity for their franchises, despite what they did to Dead Space 3. At least they didn't turn Dead Space into a pachinko slot machine game because .. . .. for reasons??!

I am sorry. This is completely Off-Topic but I just have to say it. Caramel Frappe I've noticed your extravagant profile pictures for quite a while but I really have to congratulate you for your great taste in this one. You choose the BEST series this time!
Good Job!

Off Topic: Is that so? Which series did CF pick from thats so great and why is it so great? I've seen the picture elsewhere before, but didn't think anything of it and thought it was just random monster girl number 1124123.

On Topic: Yeah the pachinko thing... I wish I could say I was surprised at the depths that Konami seems to keep aiming for, but given everything else I've heard about how much money they make off of the stuff I'm not surprised in the slightest. I suppose its just a matter of time before any trace of their game development section is gone for good at this point. Its a shame. I used like a fair bit of konami games when growing up, but thats life for ya.

Saltyk:

As for Konami, I'm feeling very conflicted on this. I don't know if I can buy MGSV. I don't know if I can support Konami after all this nonsense. After everything I've heard. After all the news of their treatment of their employees. After the way they have treated their own franchises. I don't know if I can support the company. In fact, I'm starting to no longer desire to even play MGSV purely because of the company's bad behavior. The game looks fine, but the company looks horrible.

This whole situation in depressing.

It will be on eBay and [ insert name of re-sale site here ] soon enough. Buying from there means you won't be supporting Konami. On the other hand, considering everything that's come out on this subject, I don't blame you for washing your hands of the whole thing.

All I want is another Zone of the Enders, even if it's not allowed to be called that! He can do that...right? RIGHT?!?!?!

 

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