A Writer's Destiny

A Writer's Destiny

In which Cory lets the team down.

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I keep waiting for the day Cory will draw Grey with a penis sprouting from his forehead. Surely there's only so much shit a man can take.

Maybe Bungie were planning that the MMO-Halo players wouldn't care about story content, or voice work, and only care about endless grinding.

"It would be if the art was better" killed me.

OT. People do seem to like destiny enough to keep playing it; So somebody must be doing something right.

To quote the 80's corporate sleazeball from Futurama:

"Awesome. Awesome to the max."

I watched a comparison video between the Dinklebot and the Northbot.
It's easier to hear what the Northbot is saying sometimes, compared to the Dinklebot, probably due to slightly better audio balance. But the writing is still the same...

I believe you are mistaken. There are two kinds of "The Writer" - you mentioned the one who considers any creation of his/hers the pinnacle of literary evolution, the other kind thinks of all of his/hers writing as utter shit. Both are often mistaken, though the first more profoundly than the other. All of it is just shit most of the time, not utter shit.

xxobot:
somebody must be doing something right.

Skinner box. Skinner boxes everywhere.

Teoes:
I keep waiting for the day Cory will draw Grey with a penis sprouting from his forehead. Surely there's only so much shit a man can take.

Well, he did do this: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comicsandcosplay/comics/critical-miss/14000-Cory-and-Grey-On-Producing-Webcomics

So... did Bungie improve the way they present the story to the player in the expansion or not?

Brainplant:

Teoes:
I keep waiting for the day Cory will draw Grey with a penis sprouting from his forehead. Surely there's only so much shit a man can take.

Well, he did do this: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comicsandcosplay/comics/critical-miss/14000-Cory-and-Grey-On-Producing-Webcomics

Haha, yes I remember that. I'm just surprised it doesn't happen more often.

xxobot:
"It would be if the art was better" killed me.

OT. People do seem to like destiny enough to keep playing it; So somebody must be doing something right.

The gun play is amazing. Seriously shooting things have never been so fun.

My glob! The drawing of those words are terrible... :p #BlameCoryNotGrey

Other than that, still don't care about no "Taker King" that's not Liam Neeson...

Lufia Erim:

xxobot:
"It would be if the art was better" killed me.

OT. People do seem to like destiny enough to keep playing it; So somebody must be doing something right.

The gun play is amazing. Seriously shooting things have never been so fun.

The gun play isnt amazing, its just the best consoles have right now :(
Also, too much bulletsponges.

I feel like if they stripped out everything that makes Destiny a MMO and called back Frank O'Connor to write the story it would be an amazing game.

Ishigami:
So... did Bungie improve the way they present the story to the player in the expansion or not?

The main story has full cutscenes now, and various characters handle the voice-overs on missions. Missions are also broken out into various questlines that make more sense then the prior quasi-random way they appeared before as you levelled (The original game missions are 4 or 5 separate stories in the new system, for instance)

On the Ghost-voice debate, Dinklage and Nolan's readings of the original lines both highlight an obvious lack of direction in the Ghost's script. Dinklage is very serious and robotic, North reads it more like C-3po, and the script wobbles between a serious and comedic sidekick off and on. North's lines in the new stuff sound much more natural, and I'm guessing he may have improvised some or at least helped tweak them.

Ylla:

Lufia Erim:

xxobot:
"It would be if the art was better" killed me.

OT. People do seem to like destiny enough to keep playing it; So somebody must be doing something right.

The gun play is amazing. Seriously shooting things have never been so fun.

The gun play isnt amazing, its just the best consoles have right now :(
Also, too much bulletsponges.

I feel like if they stripped out everything that makes Destiny a MMO and called back Frank O'Connor to write the story it would be an amazing game.

Eh opinions. I like it and find it fun.

"...That's not funny."
"It would be if the art was better."

I fucking love you guys. I really do.

FPLOON:
still don't care about no "Taker King"

And now I want a Destiny expansion that stars the Undertaker as its primary villain.

FPLOON:
My glob! The drawing of those words are terrible... :p #BlameCoryNotGrey

Other than that, still don't care about no "Taker King" that's not Liam Neeson...

No takers for the Taker King, I take it.

Teoes:

Brainplant:

Teoes:
I keep waiting for the day Cory will draw Grey with a penis sprouting from his forehead. Surely there's only so much shit a man can take.

Well, he did do this: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comicsandcosplay/comics/critical-miss/14000-Cory-and-Grey-On-Producing-Webcomics

I don't think Grey learned his lesson about looking at the strip before posting. Today's isn't even colored!

Haha, yes I remember that. I'm just surprised it doesn't happen more often.

dangoball:
I believe you are mistaken. There are two kinds of "The Writer" - you mentioned the one who considers any creation of his/hers the pinnacle of literary evolution, the other kind thinks of all of his/hers writing as utter shit. Both are often mistaken, though the first more profoundly than the other. All of it is just shit most of the time, not utter shit.

xxobot:
somebody must be doing something right.

Skinner box. Skinner boxes everywhere.

oh good, you beat me to it. I was gonna say, King isn't making money because they're a good developer of good games. They make money because Candy Crush is a good Skinner Box laid over an acceptably mediocre game.

Destiny could have been great. as someone who bought the digital deluxe edition, I was sold on the title, until I spent a good two or three months with it, and could no longer keep lying to myself and saying the game was any good. it had potential. so much potential. but it did nothing with that potential.

So that's why this comic is not coloured. Grey you are a genius/arse.

Ishigami:
So... did Bungie improve the way they present the story to the player in the expansion or not?

not really but they did make the leveling experience much better, and fine tuned the gunplay.

I dunno. I feel the writing is pretty good in this one, but it's hard to tell with the art...

dangoball:

Skinner box. Skinner boxes everywhere.

You need that psychology reference acknowledged? Here you go.
OT: I have kinda given up on good writing in games. I can't really remember any story that really grabbed by theballs feels. Maybe its the age. If you have been gaming for more then 15 years, you sort of expect the writing to keep up. Indis might be the exception, but why the hell can't AAA games pull it off.

47_Ronin:

dangoball:

Skinner box. Skinner boxes everywhere.

You need that psychology reference acknowledged? Here you go.
OT: I have kinda given up on good writing in games. I can't really remember any story that really grabbed by theballs feels. Maybe its the age. If you have been gaming for more then 15 years, you sort of expect the writing to keep up. Indis might be the exception, but why the hell can't AAA games pull it off.

It's all about presentation of the story in games for me, for instance, i fucking love love love the story in bloodborne, however minimal it may feel to others. But overall, stories in games are a let down. The original bioshock is an exception of how to deliver a story in a game. As are the soulsborne games.

To me, it seems the problem with the majority of stories in games is that they exist despite the gameplay. Stories in games work better for me when the story and the gameplay are the one entity, woven between and into one another. Not one of them plonked gracelessly on top of the other.

You know, I'm not sure if that second panel was meant seriously or if the vast fucking hyperbole was intentional in service final punchline, but I think its far more likely that Dinklage was expensive and not consistently available to do voice work for new content (notice your ghost is silent in The Dark Below and House of Wolves) than someone at Bungie thinking the poor reception of the game's story was somehow because of his performance.

Also just as an aside since Destiny is the topic of conversation: The Taken King is great, as is the 2.0 patch. Bungie has clearly learned from their mistakes at launch and created one of the best shooters I have ever played.

Ah, but as the Mythbusters proved, (and contrary to popular belief), you can polish a turd!

Ironically enough, polished turds are quite interesting and pretty. XD

I actually liked Destiny until I saw so much bad press about it. I'm fickle that way. It's just hard for me to enjoy something when I know a majority hates it.

RedRockRun:
I actually liked Destiny until I saw so much bad press about it. I'm fickle that way. It's just hard for me to enjoy something when I know a majority hates it.

A majority doesn't hate it....seriously. The game has only two types of people interested in it: those who hate it (I really love the ones who say they hated it after playing the game nonstop for hundreds of hours) and the ones who are too busy enjoying Destiny to care about everyone else's meltdowns. (There's the third group who could care less either way, of course; and one time a forum poster who told me there's also the group who could care so little that they trash the game just because they are tired of hearing about it....which sounded more like a cry for help to me than anything else)

Forum posters definitely seem to hate Destiny, though. But the game pulls in too much money and interest for it to be a "majority."

You may all ignore me, I admit I'm a Destiny Fan Boy. Hell, I even loved the deadpan sarcasm of the Dinklebot. RIP, Dinkebot.

I'll offer some constructive points regarding The Taken King, though:

1. They worked hard to make the story more visible, entertaining and something people could follow. It lacks the poetic, almost mythic element of the fist year's tales but since it seems many people couldn't grokk to the notion of that style I can understand why they changed it.

2. The one thing I disliked in Destiny was the marks/rep system for year one which was the grind people like to talk about. That is now gone --wiped out-- in The Taken King although I'm not far enough long yet to see what it's been replaced by (presumably a new different sort of grind process, but we'll see).

For many people, it seems that if they couldn't play the game nonstop for the full year it must be garbage. For others like myself I enjoyed the game at a more relaxed pace (still got a couple hundred hours in) and did not stress out that once I had maxed out a character in advancement (both levels and light levels, which are now gone btw) that I had nothing more to do. I just leveled a new character.....that said, if the thought of leveling more than one character in Destiny sounds painful to you then this is probably not your cup of tea anyway.

It looks like Destiny pulled a Diablo 3. A lackluster, boring, very grindy base game to a more fun and a little more satisfactory experience and story via an expansion. I admit, Destiny's popularity was something unprecedented - I guess the Halo/CoD crowd just found their first MMOFPS.

47_Ronin:

dangoball:

Skinner box. Skinner boxes everywhere.

You need that psychology reference acknowledged? Here you go.
OT: I have kinda given up on good writing in games. I can't really remember any story that really grabbed by theballs feels. Maybe its the age. If you have been gaming for more then 15 years, you sort of expect the writing to keep up. Indis might be the exception, but why the hell can't AAA games pull it off.

I agree with you. At first, I thought because of the consumer mentality and lack of interest. As a writer, I observed that the writing that has really gotten stagnant is in sequels of AAA games or overhyped ones. You rush an artist or put him through a once-joyful hobby to the point he hates it, you get a shit product - that is a cold, hard fact.

I'm finding more and more inspired storytelling and good characterization in the indie games. Take the LISA games for example and tell me that doesn't grab your feels by the balls.

Ishigami:
So... did Bungie improve the way they present the story to the player in the expansion or not?

In my opinion, yes. A couple of nice cutscenes, more exposition, and a lot more banter back and forth between the supporting NPCs during the missions. The fact that it focuses on a single enemy faction makes things flow a bit better as well.

 

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