The Green Inferno - Cannibal Holocaust Redux

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The Green Inferno - Cannibal Holocaust Redux

The Green Inferno wants to be a gross movie, and it succeeds in being a gross movie. Does that mean it's good?

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You know, I actually kind want to see this movie now, if only because I'm so sick of these whiny third-world loving hippies it'll be nice to see some get nommed on.

Unless you fit into the very small group of people who are satisfied with a movie containing nothing but gore, you'll want to skip The Green Inferno.

I think the Saw franchise showed us that group isn't particularly small, even if it isn't block buster-sized.

LysanderNemoinis:
You know, I actually kind want to see this movie now, if only because I'm so sick of these whiny third-world loving hippies it'll be nice to see some get nommed on.

As much as I like this reasoning (it's why I want to see it after all) it's too bad that they couldn't make it more realistic since you can't really have a movie star people who look the role, and the whole premise is based on them actually doing something for once.

LysanderNemoinis:
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Zontar:
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I heard somewhere that this is a take that against sjw and activism but considering that militias clearing and killing indigenous tribes for personal profit is a real-world issue it comes off really ignorant and offensive

I consider myself someone who at least has some kind of respect for the shock and gore genre (more than I do for mainstream jumpscare horror in most cases at least), and I have little interest in The Green Inferno. Cannibal Holocaust wasn't a perfect movie by any means but it did include an element of complexity and story, examining the morality of westerners trying to disrupt the way of life in those areas. Just doing a lazy ripoff of the movie with better effects isn't enough for my greenbacks.

There really is no more proof needed to show the MPAA is corrupt as hell, this case seemed to be par for the course at this point.

tf2godz:

I heard somewhere that this is a take that against sjw and activism but considering that malicious clearing and killing indigenous tribes for personal profit is a real-world issue it comes off really ignorant and offensive

As the director (correctly) stated the movie isn't going to change anything in that regard due to the fact that the people doing that clearing and killing don't need any more justification then what they already have.

Plus, the tribals they hired for the movie didn't seem to mind, behind the scene footage I saw a few days back made it clear they where all on-board with the idea. The film crew even showed them Cannibal Holocaust so they could have a clear idea of what they wanted to do. The reaction was laughter at the absurdity of that movie.

It's a harmless movie that everyone involved seemed to enjoy making that's pandering to a demographic that's the overlap of "watching gore movies" and "seeing an annoying group everyone not in said group hates get killed". It's like Dead Snow only without pretending to make the protagonists likeable.

hentropy:

There really is no more proof needed to show the MPAA is corrupt as hell, this case seemed to be par for the course at this point.

Why's that? What rating did the movie get? I don't even know what it would get here in Quebec since the line between PG-13 and R by our standards is somewhere between The Kingsmen and Dredd.

Zontar:

hentropy:

There really is no more proof needed to show the MPAA is corrupt as hell, this case seemed to be par for the course at this point.

Why's that? What rating did the movie get? I don't even know what it would get here in Quebec since the line between PG-13 and R by our standards is somewhere between The Kingsmen and Dredd.

As discussed in the article, the gore is beyond what would be accepted for an R-rated movie, but because Eli Roth is the director and Universal is attached to it, it gets a pass. The MPAA has a long history of favoritism to big studios when it comes to ratings. Not sure how it works in Canada, but here even though it's not a government body, the MPAA have given BS NC-17 ratings to indie movies, effectively keeping them out of major theaters.

Zontar:

tf2godz:

I heard somewhere that this is a take that against sjw and activism but considering that militias clearing and killing indigenous tribes for personal profit is a real-world issue it comes off really ignorant and offensive

As the director (correctly) stated the movie isn't going to change anything in that regard due to the fact that the people doing that clearing and killing don't need any more justification then what they already have.

Plus, the tribals they hired for the movie didn't seem to mind, behind the scene footage I saw a few days back made it clear they where all on-board with the idea. The film crew even showed them Cannibal Holocaust so they could have a clear idea of what they wanted to do. The reaction was laughter at the absurdity of that movie.

It's a harmless movie that everyone involved seemed to enjoy making that's pandering to a demographic that's the overlap of "watching gore movies" and "seeing an annoying group everyone not in said group hates get killed". It's like Dead Snow only without pretending to make the protagonists likeable.

That still doesn't change the fact that his take that/social commentary fails miserably if you have an inkling of understanding of this Global problem. you could make a social commentary about sjw but director seems too lazy to actually put some research in into it and put a plot to it.

Eli Roth always seem to be up his own ass about these things and thinking he's smarter than anybody else. just watching Human Centipede 3 can tell you that.

hentropy:

Zontar:

hentropy:

There really is no more proof needed to show the MPAA is corrupt as hell, this case seemed to be par for the course at this point.

Why's that? What rating did the movie get? I don't even know what it would get here in Quebec since the line between PG-13 and R by our standards is somewhere between The Kingsmen and Dredd.

As discussed in the article, the gore is beyond what would be accepted for an R-rated movie, but because Eli Roth is the director and Universal is attached to it, it gets a pass. The MPAA has a long history of favoritism to big studios when it comes to ratings. Not sure how it works in Canada, but here even though it's not a government body, the MPAA have given BS NC-17 ratings to indie movies, effectively keeping them out of major theaters.

Here in Canada it's more a provincial thing then a national one, but in Quebec we are VERY lax when it comes to ratings. For example: every Marvel movie has had a G rating, as stated before Kingsmen was given a PG-13 rating, and R is reserved for only the bloodiest and sex filled movies like Dredd. An R rating is such an uncommon occurrence here theatres will usually put up pieces of paper on the doors saying "to see (R rated movie) you need an I.D."

I actually remember going to see The Happening alone as a 13 year old and after the movie wondering why you Americans gave it an "R".

When movies and shows come out on DVD our ratings are even MORE lax, as we have the system be "G", "PG", "TV14", "TV16" and "NC17". I'd say "NC17" is basically porn, but there are actually quite a few pornographic elements which make it into "TV14" and "TV16", especially for animation (outside of straight up hentai, Queen's Blade is the only anime I'm aware of which got a "TV16" rating for its uncensored version, with all other such shows getting a "TV14")

I think you can see now why a few months back I made a thread asking why Americans where such prudes when it comes to entertainment.

tf2godz:
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It's a little hard to make an interesting movie out of that particular issue that's what one could call 'realistic' given how outside of complaining on computers all day the only place it seems to manifest itself is on collage campuses or down town areas of major cities.

Eli Roth always seem to be up his own ass about these things and thinking he's smarter than anybody else

That sounds like every single Hollywood directer I've ever heard about.

Zontar:

tf2godz:
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It's a little hard to make an interesting movie out of that particular issue that's what one could call 'realistic' given how outside of complaining on computers all day the only place it seems to manifest itself is on collage campuses or down town areas of major cities.

I just saying it's a really poorly thought out social commentary. it would be like me making a movie about how if we switch over to ebooks we would cut down more trees.

Eli Roth always seem to be up his own ass about these things and thinking he's smarter than anybody else

That sounds like every single Hollywood directer I've ever heard about.

at one point in that movie he plays himself and people are praising him as a god of film making. he has his head quite deep in his ass

tf2godz:

at one point in that movie he plays himself and people are praising him as a god of film making. he has his head quite deep in his ass

That still sounds like quite a few Hollywood directors, like Shamalon or Tarantino.

tf2godz:

Zontar:

Eli Roth always seem to be up his own ass about these things and thinking he's smarter than anybody else

That sounds like every single Hollywood directer I've ever heard about.

at one point in that movie he plays himself and people are praising him as a god of film making. he has his head quite deep in his ass

>Eli Roth
>god of filmmaking

Now I really want to see Eli Roth contractually obligated to make a PG-rated drama and watch the sweat beads form.

Zontar:

tf2godz:

at one point in that movie he plays himself and people are praising him as a god of film making. he has his head quite deep in his ass

That still sounds like quite a few Hollywood directors, like Shamalon or Tarantino.

at least at one point those two made a Good movie

tf2godz:

Zontar:

tf2godz:

at one point in that movie he plays himself and people are praising him as a god of film making. he has his head quite deep in his ass

That still sounds like quite a few Hollywood directors, like Shamalon or Tarantino.

at least at one point those two made a Good movie

Well, one of the did once upon a time, though each day it seems those two good movies where a fluke and just a "Chronicle" situation where it was despite, not because, of the director.

Zontar:

tf2godz:

Zontar:

That still sounds like quite a few Hollywood directors, like Shamalon or Tarantino.

at least at one point those two made a Good movie

Well, one of the did once upon a time, though each day it seems those two good movies where a fluke and just a "Chronicle" situation where it was despite, not because, of the director.

They still made movies that didn't want me to pull a saw on them

tf2godz:
Eli Roth always seem to be up his own ass about these things and thinking he's smarter than anybody else. just watching Human Centipede 3 can tell you that.

I don't understand this. He has nothing to do with those movies.

He has made one of the very, few sequences that have made me turn away from the screen. Even though I've watched the behind the scenes video of them throwing the fake legs over, I still have a hard time watching the hamstringing from Hostel. And I've watched a ton of the movies he takes his inspirations from. I love his films.

I'm looking forward to this new challenge.

American Fox:

tf2godz:
Eli Roth always seem to be up his own ass about these things and thinking he's smarter than anybody else. just watching Human Centipede 3 can tell you that.

I don't understand this. He has nothing to do with those movies.

oh shit your right! I got confused because they're both horror hacks in a pool of horror hacks.

anyway my mistake sorry.

tf2godz:

LysanderNemoinis:
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Zontar:
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I heard somewhere that this is a take that against sjw and activism but considering that militias clearing and killing indigenous tribes for personal profit is a real-world issue it comes off really ignorant and offensive

Not to mention the thousands of uncatalogued plants that could potentially cure the worst diseases in the world, and save millions of lives.

But yes, Eli Roth must stick it to the real threat.

Zontar:

hentropy:

Zontar:

Why's that? What rating did the movie get? I don't even know what it would get here in Quebec since the line between PG-13 and R by our standards is somewhere between The Kingsmen and Dredd.

As discussed in the article, the gore is beyond what would be accepted for an R-rated movie, but because Eli Roth is the director and Universal is attached to it, it gets a pass. The MPAA has a long history of favoritism to big studios when it comes to ratings. Not sure how it works in Canada, but here even though it's not a government body, the MPAA have given BS NC-17 ratings to indie movies, effectively keeping them out of major theaters.

Here in Canada it's more a provincial thing then a national one, but in Quebec we are VERY lax when it comes to ratings. For example: every Marvel movie has had a G rating, as stated before Kingsmen was given a PG-13 rating, and R is reserved for only the bloodiest and sex filled movies like Dredd. An R rating is such an uncommon occurrence here theatres will usually put up pieces of paper on the doors saying "to see (R rated movie) you need an I.D."

I actually remember going to see The Happening alone as a 13 year old and after the movie wondering why you Americans gave it an "R".

When movies and shows come out on DVD our ratings are even MORE lax, as we have the system be "G", "PG", "TV14", "TV16" and "NC17". I'd say "NC17" is basically porn, but there are actually quite a few pornographic elements which make it into "TV14" and "TV16", especially for animation (outside of straight up hentai, Queen's Blade is the only anime I'm aware of which got a "TV16" rating for its uncensored version, with all other such shows getting a "TV14")

I think you can see now why a few months back I made a thread asking why Americans where such prudes when it comes to entertainment.

In many ways it puts way more emphasis on sexual and language content than it does on violence. Any depiction of non-heterosexual sexuality is held to ridiculous standards (though it helps if you're a major studio). It is prudish, but that would at least be tolerable if they applied the standards evenly, but the MPAA ratings board is basically a black box that isn't even obligated to tell you why a movie gets a certain rating. It's staffed by industry insiders who have vested interests in major studios. The movie "This Film Is Not Yet Rated" is a takedown of the whole system, and there's been even more controversies since that documentary came out. There's no way to really call them out because they're not government. So it puts you in strange situation of actually wishing there was some kind of third-party or government board to make these decisions, though considering the FCC it seems you're screwed either way.

But having any sort of budget to Cannibal Holocaust ruins the movie!

Marter:
The Green Inferno wants to be a gross movie, and it succeeds in being a gross movie. Does that mean it's good?

So which one was worse (by whichever meaning of that you prefer :P): this or Human Centipede 3?

RJ 17:

Marter:
The Green Inferno wants to be a gross movie, and it succeeds in being a gross movie. Does that mean it's good?

So which one was worse (by whichever meaning of that you prefer :P): this or Human Centipede 3?

to be fair this one has a plot. so it has that going for it

Ooh, talking about MPAA corruption and WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN?

That's an excuse to post my favorite story, that may or may not have happened.

The original Star Wars was given a choice between G and PG, and the powers that be went with PG for marketing purposes. However, when the time came to re-release the films, we get the modern MPAA rating board, the one infected with rectal logs. So, it was threatened with a PG13, prompting some minor edits. One of the potential ones was relating to one "role model's" moral behavior.

Lucas may not have made Han shoot first, it may have been busybodies at the rating board.

Zontar:

Unless you fit into the very small group of people who are satisfied with a movie containing nothing but gore, you'll want to skip The Green Inferno.

I think the Saw franchise showed us that group isn't particularly small, even if it isn't block buster-sized.

To Saw's small credit, it tried to give some "justifiable reasons", plot-wise, as to why X amount of people are being tortured to death, basically... Too bad the more sequels it got, the less impact, plot-wise, those particular reasons end up being... #JigsawLagacy

OT: Wasn't this the movie that's loosely based on, dare I say it, "SJW"? Did Eli confirm or deny that suppose "rumor"?

Other than that, it sounds like I should, instead, re-watch The Midnight Meat Train... or one of the two Hostel movies... :p

FPLOON:

OT: Wasn't this the movie that's loosely based on, dare I say it, "SJW"? Did Eli confirm or deny that suppose "rumor"?

Oh, it was always explicitly based on that. He's been open about the fact that the characters are making fun of the Twitter activist hashtag of the week movements that have most involved not even know what it is they are standing for.

FPLOON:

OT: Wasn't this the movie that's loosely based on, dare I say it, "SJW"? Did Eli confirm or deny that suppose "rumor"?

yes but it fails miserably because the characters actually do go there even though sjw mostly do nothing but bitch online and two it completely misinterprets a serious issue that's going on right now.

off-topic: why am I strangely fascinated with the comment section?

From the sounds of it the film is even less than I was expecting from it. I generally never thought highly of his films because they go overboard with the gore and try to keep it serious. If they played it for laughs (which to be fair, I think they did a few times in the last one or two Saw films) I'd probably enjoy the films more, but as it stands, I really only liked the first Saw film because it managed to be restrained. The others had some interesting writing decisions and a handful of great scenes but overall were kinda awkward to watch because it was so self-serious while having a hysterical level of gore.

Anywho, question.

"The story we do get sees a group of college activists - played by Eli Roth's wife,"

What happens to her in the film? Put in spoilers. I'm just wondering if he put his wife into a film to get butchered and eaten. Kinda creepy to be honest, probably a creepier implication than anything the film probably has to offer to somebody like myself.

tf2godz:

FPLOON:

OT: Wasn't this the movie that's loosely based on, dare I say it, "SJW"? Did Eli confirm or deny that suppose "rumor"?

yes but it fails miserably because the characters actually do go there even though sjw mostly do nothing but bitch online and two it completely misinterprets a serious issue that's going on right now.

off-topic: why am I strangely fascinated with the comment section?

In other words, Eli would have been better off making a Saw remake instead? I mean, "SWJs who do nothing get kidnapped and are forced to do something or die" would have been a much better plot than "SWJs who end up doing something end up dying via cannibalism"...

Also, these comments have more points than The Green Inferno... :p

I am a big horror movie fan, but I am even more against animals being killed or tortured for entertainment. I know that this is merely an homage to Cannibal Holocaust, but even so, I won't be seeing it, as I just can't bring myself to patronize anything remotely attached to that kind of production- it just doesn't sit right with me.

Ironic, isn't it? I love horror movies, right up until I'm actually horrified!

I do appreciate gore and blood fx in my horror movies, though- honestly, you did a great job of selling the movie to me!- but I just can't.

the December King:
I am a big horror movie fan, but I am even more against animals being killed or tortured for entertainment. I know that this is merely an homage to Cannibal Holocaust, but even so, I won't be seeing it, as I just can't bring myself to patronize anything remotely attached to that kind of production- it just doesn't sit right with me.

Ironic, isn't it? I love horror movies, right up until I'm actually horrified!

I do appreciate gore and blood fx in my horror movies, though- honestly, you did a great job of selling the movie to me!- but I just can't.

I didn't realize that they actually slaughtered animals in the film until I read your comment. I don't think I'll be watching this or probably any of Roth's films in the future. Actual killing for entertainment is very much divorced from simulated killing for entertainment and I'd rather not contribute to it.

MarsAtlas:

Anywho, question.

"The story we do get sees a group of college activists - played by Eli Roth's wife,"

What happens to her in the film? Put in spoilers. I'm just wondering if he put his wife into a film to get butchered and eaten. Kinda creepy to be honest, probably a creepier implication than anything the film probably has to offer to somebody like myself.

Did you seriously just try to suggest that Eli Roth wants to have his wife killed and eaten, like for real?

I'm actually flabbergasted that someone would have the poor taste to say something like this. I almost think that it might be some sort of passive aggressive attack against Eli Roth simply because you don't like his movie. Almost as if saying, "So Eli - have you stopped fantasizing about eating your wife yet?"

Would you care to explain the reasoning, or logical leaps that you made that went from "Eli Roth's wife stars in his movie" to "Eli Roth wants to kill and eat his wife/have her killed and eaten."

I mean it, I'm really curious to see this!

Jake Martinez:
Did you seriously just try to suggest that Eli Roth wants to have his wife killed and eaten, like for real?

Not necessarily, but there are people who fetishize mutilation and cannibalism. As long as they're not hurting anybody or anything people can want to facefuck a decapitated goat for all I care, but it would certainly explain a lot about Eli Roth's seemingly unparalleled fascination with gore. Not that I'm implying he would do anything like that, people generally understand the line beween fantasy and reality.

MarsAtlas:

Jake Martinez:
Did you seriously just try to suggest that Eli Roth wants to have his wife killed and eaten, like for real?

Not necessarily, but there are people who fetishize mutilation and cannibalism. As long as they're not hurting anybody or anything people can want to facefuck a decapitated goat for all I care, but it would certainly explain a lot about Eli Roth's seemingly unparalleled fascination with gore. Not that I'm implying he would do anything like that, people generally understand the line beween fantasy and reality.

Dude(ette?) whatever -

Other than the fact that you said it would "explain a lot about" him, you absolutely did imply it when you said this:

I'm just wondering if he put his wife into a film to get butchered and eaten. Kinda creepy to be honest, probably a creepier implication than anything the film probably has to offer to somebody like myself.

I'm just left over here with my mouth open going, "WHAAAAA???"

The dude makes horror movies. I've never seen him or heard of him advocating for murder or cannibalism, so I don't know where you get this freaking strange idea from. Do people who make Pokemon have strongly held beliefs about capturing, enslaving and training little monsters (or maybe they mean CHILDREN!! QUICK SOMEONE CALL CHRIS HANSON!)

Why not just say something like, "I hate Eli Roth". Wouldn't that be a little bit more sincere than saying he's a closet cannibal?

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