The Dota 2 Method

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I don't know, League of Legends can give them a run for their money. That moment you get your mid laner screaming for everyone to report you for not using your ultimate to save them. When you are not a high enough level to have your ultimate yet.

In Dota2 I just see people shouting "cyka" a lot. But maybe that's because I am too low with MMR to be playing with people who think they'd be pro players, if only they'd get noticed.

Never played Dota 2, but I played a good amount of League of Legends, and I would believe that the habit of blaming someone else for your own stupidity isn't exclusive to one or the other. Only difference being, from my personal experience, the jungler is almost always the first one to be blamed, rightfully or not.

This would probably be funnier to me if I cared about MOBAs in any way.

shadowxvii:
Never played Dota 2, but I played a good amount of League of Legends, and I would believe that the habit of blaming someone else for your own stupidity isn't exclusive to one or the other. Only difference being, from my personal experience, the jungler is almost always the first one to be blamed, rightfully or not.

Basically the only difference between people blaming you for their mistakes in LoL vs DotA 2 is that in DotA 2 the blaming is done in Russian. :3

Best DotA strat ever:

I've never understood this report thing for just the supposed "bad players" instead of real abusers.

It seems like it's encouraging everyone to select one scapegoat for the failure of the game.

I'm sorry to say this is starting to cross over into heroes of the storm.

At least if you play League you can just stop playing and watch a competitive scene that isn't trash.

wizzy555:
I've never understood this report thing for just the supposed "bad players" instead of real abusers.

It seems like it's encouraging everyone to select one scapegoat for the failure of the game.

I'm sorry to say this is starting to cross over into heroes of the storm.

As far as I can tell reporting "bad players" is based on the belief that they're being intentionally bad...aka "feeding".

wizzy555:
I've never understood this report thing for just the supposed "bad players" instead of real abusers.

It seems like it's encouraging everyone to select one scapegoat for the failure of the game.

I'm sorry to say this is starting to cross over into heroes of the storm.

Actually, that's part of any MOBA with a report function. It's less "crossing over" and more "becomine a proper MOBA", with people reporting you for their failures and everything.

Which is exactly the reason I don't play MOBAs. At all. In any way. They all have the same kind of toxic community.

wizzy555:
I've never understood this report thing for just the supposed "bad players" instead of real abusers.

It seems like it's encouraging everyone to select one scapegoat for the failure of the game.

I'm sorry to say this is starting to cross over into heroes of the storm.

Thats just how MOBAs are.

And yet their popularity is baffiling to me.

Caramel Frappe:
> Playing a League of Legends "Ranked Match"

> Rival team's 2nd player chooses Karthus for Mid

> I'm the last to pick, only available role left is Support

> Picks Soraka with a cheeky smile on my face

> Imagines the Karthus player internally screaming and ready to ffs at 20

Real story by the way.

As someone who main's Karthus Mid I'd like to hear how this game turned out. :3

Soraka has a global heal while Karthus has the global nuke...that doesn't necessarily mean that Soraka is an absolute counter to Karthus, however. An annoyance, to be sure, but - and I could be wrong about this as I don't have Soraka, myself - doesn't Karthus' R do more damage than Soraka's R heals for? Especially since he'll be going straight AP while Soraka has to build support items? :P

Most people in Dota have a tendency to report by the hero rather than the lane, since most heroes can run in more than one lane unlike in League, and fewer teams have a jungler/some teams can trilane.

/elitist

Caramel Frappe:
Snip.

Did Karthus pick into Akali? If so that is where the player failed, right there. You need some hard CC to be able to get away from her and the Wall-o-Ghosts for a slow just ain't gonna cut it when she can just jump-kick you in the back of the head. :P

I should clarify: I used to main Karthus...these days I pretty much play exclusively ARAM. I like it because it's still competitive and fun, but seeing as how the RNG pretty much determines which team is going to win during champ "select" 90% of the time it's hard for anyone to get too upset over it.

.......that said, Karthus is an absolute beast in ARAM. :3

So is Soraka for that matter, though. When given the freedom to go straight AP she's a monster! Though I still prefer AP Sona over her...Sona's blue power cord with a Lichbane hits like a freight-train. o.o

git gud skrub, lern 2 pedestrian

(Am I doing this right?)

Caramel Frappe:

RJ 17:

Caramel Frappe:
> Playing a League of Legends "Ranked Match"

> Rival team's 2nd player chooses Karthus for Mid

> I'm the last to pick, only available role left is Support

> Picks Soraka with a cheeky smile on my face

> Imagines the Karthus player internally screaming and ready to ffs at 20

Real story by the way.

As someone who main's Karthus Mid I'd like to hear how this game turned out. :3

Soraka has a global heal while Karthus has the global nuke...that doesn't necessarily mean that Soraka is an absolute counter to Karthus, however. An annoyance, to be sure, but - and I could be wrong about this as I don't have Soraka, myself - doesn't Karthus' R do more damage than Soraka's R heals for? Especially since he'll be going straight AP while Soraka has to build support items? :P

Normally, a Soraka's R doesn't outscale the damage Karthu's ult does. Even if he's not fed, a normal Karthus ult will do 550 dmg at lvl 3 plus 60% of his AP scaling so probably a bit more than that. However, Soraka's R also scales with her AP and a very skilled Soraka will immediately use R the moment she notices Karthus is activating his ult. Then if the people are nearby, she'll spam Astral Infusion (aka heal) until the ult launches and said allies are still alive. At max level, it heals 240 plus 60% of Soraka's AP but get this- Astral Infusion has a 2-3 second CD so I can definitely heal someone far more than Karthu's single ult can damage them within the time it takes for Karthus to finally finish his ult.

Her stacked healing + ult cripples Karthus especially in team fights. Also she can use Equinox (aka AOE silence move) on Karthus to prevent him from using ult. It won't cancel his ult and put it on CD, but it'll prevent him from finishing it.

The match by the way, as you requested to be informed on ... was pretty much how you'd expect it to be. Karthus was 4 and 12, our Akali was well fed because she owned him even without me interfering and we won by a landslide. Wasn't because of me alone, but my ult DID save three people from his ult during our last teamfight before winning the game. He was a Silver IV while I was Silver I ... but to be fair, I was demoted to Silver II and been stuck there ever since >_>

And here I am still unranked at level 22 >.>

OT: Yeah, this happens a lot in league to. From my personal experience its always akalis who are really toxic. I dunno why.

This would probably be funny to me if I actually played MOBAs

Caramel Frappe:
OT: I feel bad for mid laners in most games. They're not entirely the carry like ADCs, but are expected to stop their rival mid laner. Since the mid lane is so short and can be easily ganked from both sides ... mid laners have the most pressure. Not saying that everyone else has it easier, but I have played mid lane. It's rough if you're owning but suddenly the rival jungler camps you and secures kills for the struggling mid laner while your jungler just farms because 'screw you' that's why lol.

In DOTA2 you absolutely 100% can carry mid depending on your pick. A TA mid can snowball completely out of control. A stacked SF is fully capable of annihilating an entire team. Ember is pretty good too. Viper in an average pub can be good because people are really bad at handling him. You can also Meepo mid which is hilarious.

As far as the comic goes, though...people get into a really bad mindset about mid in DOTA2. Because it depends ENTIRELY on what mid you've got. Pubs traditionally whine if mid doesn't gank but if its, say, OD or SF mid you don't necessarily want them ganking in a pub if they're dominating mid. Its often better for them to just sit there and get nice and fat by destroying mid and instead get rotates from the supports. Possibly even gank mid with a roaming support.

In fairness I don't see quite as many complaints about mid anymore in DOTA2. Its usually complaints about the support not warding or the carry being totally unable to follow through after farming. Personally I play ranked with precisely one hero - Spectre. Since I know that I can 1v5 with her if necessary, as long as I can get some space to farm.

I assume the joke is funny / makes sense if you play DOTA2... or LoL for that matter.
Otherwise, yeah, totally lost on me.

SilverUchiha:
I assume the joke is funny / makes sense if you play DOTA2... or LoL for that matter.
Otherwise, yeah, totally lost on me.

Uh, how can you not understand this joke? Erin makes a mistake by running into a lamp post and then blames it on the lamp post, telling everyone to report the lamp post.

Bindal:

SilverUchiha:
I assume the joke is funny / makes sense if you play DOTA2... or LoL for that matter.
Otherwise, yeah, totally lost on me.

Uh, how can you not understand this joke? Erin makes a mistake by running into a lamp post and then blames it on the lamp post, telling everyone to report the lamp post.

As evidenced by my earlier statement, I don't play any MOBA. Didn't get the reference or how it was being used in this situation. No context existed for me to understand the joke.

Never played DOTA, but this happens in World of Tanks too.

I figure it's pretty simple.

If you report a player because they simply failed to live up to your lofty expectations or because you're one heck of a sore loser, you've got a problem. That problem isn't related to mid or the laners being in need of being reported - you need sensitivity training and a serious dose of maturity.

On the other hand, if you report a player for actually being disruptive, then good on you. And no, "being disruptive" does not equate to "not being able to follow along with my highly specific strat".

I mean, geeze. If every other online community worked the way LoL's does, we wouldn't be able to get anything done across every multiplayer game in existence, from XCOM's multiplayer to Team Fortress 2.

SilverUchiha:

Bindal:

SilverUchiha:
I assume the joke is funny / makes sense if you play DOTA2... or LoL for that matter.
Otherwise, yeah, totally lost on me.

Uh, how can you not understand this joke? Erin makes a mistake by running into a lamp post and then blames it on the lamp post, telling everyone to report the lamp post.

As evidenced by my earlier statement, I don't play any MOBA. Didn't get the reference or how it was being used in this situation. No context existed for me to understand the joke.

What context do you need for "do something dumb, then blame other people for it"?

RJ 17:

Soraka has a global heal while Karthus has the global nuke...that doesn't necessarily mean that Soraka is an absolute counter to Karthus, however. An annoyance, to be sure, but - and I could be wrong about this as I don't have Soraka, myself - doesn't Karthus' R do more damage than Soraka's R heals for? Especially since he'll be going straight AP while Soraka has to build support items? :P

Karthus's Ultimate is reduced by Magic Resist. Soraka's heal is not.
I haven't played in a long time, so I don't know the number crunch, but I'd wager that would go a HELL of a long way towards closing the gap.

Atmos Duality:
Karthus's Ultimate is reduced by Magic Resist. Soraka's heal is not.
I haven't played in a long time, so I don't know the number crunch, but I'd wager that would go a HELL of a long way towards closing the gap.

Not necessarily, as Karthus if you notice your enemy is building MR that's why you build a Void Staff to negate a good chunk of that MR.

RJ 17:
Not necessarily, as Karthus if you notice your enemy is building MR that's why you build a Void Staff to negate a good chunk of that MR.

Void Staff helps, but by no means does it counter MR entirely (not even by half, Void Staff is 35%).

Atmos Duality:

RJ 17:
Not necessarily, as Karthus if you notice your enemy is building MR that's why you build a Void Staff to negate a good chunk of that MR.

Void Staff helps, but by no means does it counter MR entirely (not even by half, Void Staff is 35%).

The more MR is stacked the more effective VS becomes. Beyond that there's the fact that the damage dealers on the enemy team aren't going to be stacking a lot of MR items. If your ult can kill (or even severely wound) the damage dealers of the enemy team then you've done your job as Karthus.

Soraka's ult can definitely patch that up, but a good Karthus uses his ult in conjunction with his passive...the good ol' Kamikaze Karthus.

RJ 17:

The more MR is stacked the more effective VS becomes. Beyond that there's the fact that the damage dealers on the enemy team aren't going to be stacking a lot of MR items. If your ult can kill (or even severely wound) the damage dealers of the enemy team then you've done your job as Karthus.

Emphatically, yes, but mathematically, no.
MR (and Armor) mathematically increase EHP by 1% per unit, all Void Staff does is cut that rate down to .65% per MR.

This is something you would need to crunch numbers on to determine, and I wager a lot of it comes down to how much flat MR Pen Karthus would have AFTER Void Staff (Runes, mostly items). I'd wager that MR outscales total penetration point per point, but at the cost of core item vulnerability. (that is, if Riot has put even the slightest bit of thought into their metagame design)

Atmos Duality:
Emphatically, yes, but mathematically, no.
MR (and Armor) mathematically increase EHP by 1% per unit, all Void Staff does is cut that rate down to .65% per MR.

This is something you would need to crunch numbers on to determine, and I wager a lot of it comes down to how much flat MR Pen Karthus would have AFTER Void Staff (Runes, mostly items). I'd wager that MR outscales total penetration point per point, but at the cost of core item vulnerability. (that is, if Riot has put even the slightest bit of thought into their metagame design)

As I said, though, your primary job as Karthus isn't going to be fighting the tanks, which are the most likely enemies to be building MR while the carries are going to be building damage items. Your primary job is going to be chunking down the carries and Soraka herself. Once Soraka is down, it won't matter how much her ult heals for...it won't be negating the damage of your ult, which can be used after death.

To be clear, I'm talking about team-fight scenarios here. No good player should get picked off by the random Karthus ult in the middle of a game...and Karthus shouldn't be banking on those random ult kills. As I said: the best time to ult is during a team fight after you've died. No chance of it being interrupted, and if you positioned yourself right (i.e. in the middle of the enemy team) then you can do a very good deal of damage which your team can then clean up.

It's nice to get fed and become a power-house as Karthus, but he's actually much more of a utility mage than anything else. He may go down, but if he can ensure his team wins the fight in the end then he's done his job.

Bindal:

SilverUchiha:

Bindal:

Uh, how can you not understand this joke? Erin makes a mistake by running into a lamp post and then blames it on the lamp post, telling everyone to report the lamp post.

As evidenced by my earlier statement, I don't play any MOBA. Didn't get the reference or how it was being used in this situation. No context existed for me to understand the joke.

What context do you need for "do something dumb, then blame other people for it"?

My guess is it didn't click what the term "Report mid" meant.

Took me a bit as well.

Replace "mid" with "jungle" and it's a perfect fit for League too. Whenever my bot lane fucks up once and i'm jungling, I can just feel the "gg no ganks" being typed in allchat by the 0/3/0 Vayne who was pushing to the enemy tower for the entire game. If you see that in game you want to jot down one more point if you're playing Vaynespotting by the way.

Also, if I or anyone else is playing Master Yi jungle, you must abide by the unspoken rule of Master Yi.

If you have Yi jungle, you will not see him for the first 20 minutes unless you explicitly set up a kill for him to take. You are then blessed with the opportunity for assist money as he "accidentally" taxes an entire wave with a single Q on his way out back into the jungle to continue farming.

Caramel Frappe:
> Playing a League of Legends "Ranked Match"

> Rival team's 2nd player chooses Karthus for Mid

> I'm the last to pick, only available role left is Support

> Picks Soraka with a cheeky smile on my face

> Imagines the Karthus player internally screaming and ready to ffs at 20

Real story by the way.

OT: I feel bad for mid laners in most games. They're not entirely the carry like ADCs, but are expected to stop their rival mid laner. Since the mid lane is so short and can be easily ganked from both sides ... mid laners have the most pressure. Not saying that everyone else has it easier, but I have played mid lane. It's rough if you're owning but suddenly the rival jungler camps you and secures kills for the struggling mid laner while your jungler just farms because 'screw you' that's why lol.

Yo I remember when I fucking HATED Soraka. When her W was on a 20 second cooldown, her passive was free magic resist (?????????????) and her ult was made useless for cross map saves because it didn't remove the 50% less healing debuff on Ignite before it applied. She was basically a mana battery and nothing else, the most useless shit ever. I would dodge games if I had to lane with one.

Now she's pretty good. I like her. Silence is a really underrated mechanic, when I have to fight a Soraka when I play Yasuo or something I end up getting shut down in a fight because suddenly spamming E does nothing. What can Yasuo do if he can't be a total bellend and dash around like a madman? Then there's the time my knockup hits 5 people but she drops the silence puddle as i'm spamming R and my visions of a stylish ass pentakill get instantly shattered...

Also as a Anime Protagonist Yasuo player, I can confirm that decent junglers camp mid at all times. Fucking dicks. It's almost like a character with a dash on a 0.1 second cooldown, 100% crit chance with 2 items, a wall that can block projectiles including ranged autoattacks and possibly the most anime move in the entire game as an ult whose kit is designed around outplay potential just fills people with rage until they want him completely shut down forever. That or they just want him to shut the fuck up with all the "HASAGI" or "HASALYO" stuff.

RJ 17:
As I said, though, your primary job as Karthus isn't going to be fighting the tanks, which are the most likely enemies to be building MR while the carries are going to be building damage items. Your primary job is going to be chunking down the carries and Soraka herself. Once Soraka is down, it won't matter how much her ult heals for...it won't be negating the damage of your ult, which can be used after death.
*snip*
To be clear, I'm talking about team-fight scenarios here.

Which is an incredibly diverse topic. There's so many team compositions to consider that I don't see any further discussion being meaningful without getting into specifics...nor is it even particularly relevant from what I hear, since Soraka is apparently quite terrible in the meta right now, and Karthus is "niche tier" at best.

I'm just saying, that in a metagame sense, ideally (which assumes Soraka isn't being an idiot and getting melted right off the bat) Karthus wants to remove Soraka more than Soraka wants to remove Karthus, because her kit just ruins his entire play plan.

Whether that plays out mathematically, I have no idea.
Good kits with shitty numbers tend to lose to shitty kits with great numbers UNLESS they have gobs of utility and strong CC to make up for it (Taric is a great example of that; his kit was very good when his stun duration was longer and he had some late game damage on his passive. Riot took both away and he's utter garbage).

This is a very specific joke guys.

Redlin5:
This is a very specific joke guys.

Again, how is "Do something stupid, then blame others for it?" a specific joke?

Bindal:

SilverUchiha:
I assume the joke is funny / makes sense if you play DOTA2... or LoL for that matter.
Otherwise, yeah, totally lost on me.

Uh, how can you not understand this joke? Erin makes a mistake by running into a lamp post and then blames it on the lamp post, telling everyone to report the lamp post.

She doesn't though. All she says is "Report mid". For anyone not familiar with what mid refers to they are going to be wondering why she says that.

For the joke to make sense to non-MOBA players, she would have needed to blame the lamp post in the last panel.

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