Zero Punctuation: Fatal Frame: Maiden of Black Water

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Fatal Frame: Maiden of Black Water

This week, Zero Punctuation reviews Fatal Frame: Maiden of Black Water.

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I remember Pirates of Dark Water. Animation way too good for when it came out. It's nice being old.

OT: This sounds like a spooky game I can play. If the atmosphere isn't there, horror games just don't work.

What they should have done is allow you to see only into the world when moving the camera about (with the gyroscope, your character could move the camera in game with the controller pad having solely the view through the character's lens) while making ghosts only visible this way and giving the odd slight cues if one's around. Also making it more challenging and not a badly disguised pedo-porno with just as much story. In fact, i'd say that is the real horror with this game. Especially as it's on a Nintendo console, bloody christ. Bayonetta, tell them where to go.

I remember Pirates of DarkWater! It was Star Wars, with fantasy pirates.

That's a shame, I remember liking the first Fatal Frame on the PS2.

Xsjadoblayde:
Bayonetta, tell them where to go.

Over the top?

That was completely unexpected. I thought you'd hate the Fatal Frame series for being "offensively Japanese", as it were.

But thanks for the delightful pissing on what sounds like the shittiest instalment so far. :3

"characters acting with all the common sense of a lobster(*CAANNONBAAAALL*)in a Jacuzzi"
"They make Dead or Alive - a fighting game in the sense that late night CineMax films are thrillers"
Closing shot - BAD IMP!

Anyone care to wager what's going to end up on top and bottom this year? Without re-watching, all I can think of is bottoms...

Bottom, in no order, more than 5:
Godzilla(preeeetty sure this is going to show up)
The Order : 1886(same as above)
Alone in the Dark : Illumination
Everybody's Gone to the Rapture
Star Wars : Battlefront
Rise of the Tomb Raider (character irritation factor)
Assassin's Creed Syndicate (franchise irritation factor)

Edit: Maaaaaybe Broken Age : Act 2 as well. From the review, sounds like the second half was phoned in. Switch the two characters, aaaaand... they just adjust perfectly? Bwuh?

To be fair Fatal Frame always seemed like it was being inspired by horror movie tropes more then most horror games. Horror movies are not exactly well known for having good well rounded female characters who keep their clothes on so I can't really fault horror games that mirror them...

Freedom153:
Anyone care to wager what's going to end up on top and bottom this year?

For the top I'm thinking BloodBorne, Just Cause 3, Soma and Elite Dangerous.
Undertale as well if he decides to fuck his own rules of nominating only the games he has ZP'd.
For the bottom, pretty much those you listed. Maybe Mario Maker, because franchise irritation?

Johnny Novgorod:
Maybe Mario Maker, because franchise irritation?

Oh if he does that, I will never trust his opinions again. You don't try to stave off the bias label by putting THAT in there out of spite towards a franchise. That's elitism and it's one of the many poisons killing the industry.

This is an "At least, as far as I know". It's "Project Zero" Because the Japanese word for zero, "Rei" is also the word for "Spirit" IE: Ghosts.

Something I'm pretty solid on though, is the Camera mechanic. It's not the flash that is damaging. The "damaging ghosts" mechanic is based off of the old myth that cameras can steal away your soul (or bits of it) when they take your picture.

I really liked the first three Fatal Frames, they are easily my favorite Horror titles. It's disappointing to hear that this one apparently is deep down the downward slope.

Though, there was another one wasn't there? Only in Japan? Wii title? I think it involved an old abandoned Hospital on a creepy abandoned Island? Also Ghosts were apparently killing young girls by pixelating their faces.

From what I've heard that one is supposed to be pretty good.

LordTerminal:

Johnny Novgorod:
Maybe Mario Maker, because franchise irritation?

Oh if he does that, I will never trust his opinions again. You don't try to stave off the bias label by putting THAT in there out of spite towards a franchise. That's elitism and it's one of the many poisons killing the industry.

To be fair there actually is a valid argument to be made for putting it on bad list for more than just "I generally don't like Nintendo" reasons. That is the fact that it's not really a game at all but instead a creation kit...and the fact that traditionally the highest rated "levels" are auto-Mario levels where you just stand on a moving object while all the bells and whistles are going off around you.

Whether or not it deserves to be on a "Top 5 Worst Games of the Year" list for that is up for debate, though. Personally I'd say that actually gives it a good reason for not appearing on any Best/Worst Game of the Year list in the first place. :P

Edited to remove some redundancy.

Wow. One of your funniest videos in weeks. I laughed audibly several times.

It might be a good thing for Koei Tecmo to just create a full on porn game and get that ridiculous ecchi shit out of their system already....

bluegate:
It might be a good thing for Koei Tecmo to just create a full on porn game

I am 100% okay with this.

Freedom153:
"characters acting with all the common sense of a lobster(*CAANNONBAAAALL*)in a Jacuzzi"
"They make Dead or Alive - a fighting game in the sense that late night CineMax films are thrillers"
Closing shot - BAD IMP!

Anyone care to wager what's going to end up on top and bottom this year? Without re-watching, all I can think of is bottoms...

Bottom, in no order, more than 5:
Godzilla(preeeetty sure this is going to show up)
The Order : 1886(same as above)
Alone in the Dark : Illumination
Everybody's Gone to the Rapture
Star Wars : Battlefront
Rise of the Tomb Raider (character irritation factor)
Assassin's Creed Syndicate (franchise irritation factor)

Edit: Maaaaaybe Broken Age : Act 2 as well. From the review, sounds like the second half was phoned in. Switch the two characters, aaaaand... they just adjust perfectly? Bwuh?

Maybe Batman? On his Youtube Channel he really doesn't like Mario Maker because he doesn't consider it a game, but a creation tool.
Or if he really wants to boil the piss, FNAF.

It's too bad Yahtzee sucks at fighting games otherwise he would realize that DOA is actually pretty good as a fighting game. They even want to ban the sexy outfits at tournaments to get more people involved, which wont work but its a cute gesture. Also thanks for confirming that this crappy looking game is crap. Its too bad since its one of the few Wii U games that try to use the controller.

I was expecting Yahtzee to bring up the unlockable Nintendo costumes and/or the sexy lingerie outfits from the Japanese version.

Ugh, ya know, I fucking love this series. Well, except that crappy 3DS game that had the potential to be cool but just wasn't. Fatal Frame is about the only horror franchise that effectively scares me - even Silent Hill can't make that claim. Well, sometimes they can. That new Pachinko machine looks terrifying as fuck. Fuck Konami, by the way.

I guess it's all in the different things that people find scary. I don't believe in ghosts whatsoever, but maybe that's what makes this whole series so scary to me. That and it doesn't always rely (or didn't as much) on Jump Scares. We never got the 4th one, which still makes me sad to this day. Sure, we got this one, but, and I'm really surprised Yahtzee didn't mention this, the game can only be bought digitally. There are no physical copies available and the game is around 16 GB. That's seriously HALF the Wii U's space, and actually more when you consider all the space updates take. Hell, those poor souls with the 8 GB drive can't even play it at all.

So basically I'd have to go out and buy a new flash drive/SD card just to buy this $49.99 game. Thanks for the heads up that it's shit, Yahtzee. Given that you confessed a love of past Fatal Frame games and other horror games in general, I shall take you at your opinion and just never play this one.

Bleh. The industry claims that horror games don't sell anymore, but they're generally not funding them very well, so it's like they're setting them up for failure. I mean, look at Bloodbourne! That's a horror game if I ever saw one, and it's sold like crazy. And instead of Remedy working on Alan Wake 2, we're getting another 'bang-bang-shooty' game.

Wow. I haven't thought about Pirates of Dark Water in forever. I used to have a Ren action figure that I played with all the time. I'm a big fan of the Fatal Frame series, but I suspected this game would be a pass. But most horror games are passes for me these days.

Kaamos:

bluegate:
It might be a good thing for Koei Tecmo to just create a full on porn game

I am 100% okay with this.

Quite true, but it is illegal to make porn games in Japan. DoA and games like these are about as close as they can legally get.

008Zulu:

Kaamos:

bluegate:
It might be a good thing for Koei Tecmo to just create a full on porn game

I am 100% okay with this.

Quite true, but it is illegal to make porn games in Japan. DoA and games like these are about as close as they can legally get.

They have a fucking industry for that (pun intended). Even the only professional of notable size i know. What is not allowed is to show penetration, therefore genitals are pixelated or blanked out. Even in explicite games, that they indeed produce. Otherwise,some go to quite some (morally appalling) depth.

Google Illusion.

Caramel Frappe:
The spider-face popping out between the girl's legs made me laugh all too hard holy jesus x_x ...
Otherwise freaken awesome video Yahtzee. A hilarious video, for you have no lost your touch in comedy yet!

I bet something like that happened in a Silent Hill game, or Catherine.

Freedom153:
"characters acting with all the common sense of a lobster(*CAANNONBAAAALL*)in a Jacuzzi"
"They make Dead or Alive - a fighting game in the sense that late night CineMax films are thrillers"
Closing shot - BAD IMP!

Anyone care to wager what's going to end up on top and bottom this year? Without re-watching, all I can think of is bottoms...

Bottom, in no order, more than 5:
Godzilla(preeeetty sure this is going to show up)
The Order : 1886(same as above)
Alone in the Dark : Illumination
Everybody's Gone to the Rapture
Star Wars : Battlefront
Rise of the Tomb Raider (character irritation factor)
Assassin's Creed Syndicate (franchise irritation factor)

Edit: Maaaaaybe Broken Age : Act 2 as well. From the review, sounds like the second half was phoned in. Switch the two characters, aaaaand... they just adjust perfectly? Bwuh?

I also liked the joke showing him holding a machete, staring down the FATAL FRAME box art with an American flag sticking out of it, before saying "Carry on."
As for his top/bottom (tee hee!) list, I wonder where Batman: Arkham Knight will be.

K.ur:

008Zulu:

Kaamos:

I am 100% okay with this.

Quite true, but it is illegal to make porn games in Japan. DoA and games like these are about as close as they can legally get.

They have a fucking industry for that (pun intended). Even the only professional of notable size i know. What is not allowed is to show penetration, therefore genitals are pixelated or blanked out. Even in explicite games, that they indeed produce. Otherwise,some go to quite some (morally appalling) depth.

Google Illusion.

Which is why the tentacle was invented by the Japanese porn industry. A tentacle can look like a dong, squirt gooey stuff like a dong, be inserted into orifices like a dong, but the Japanese censors will look at it and go 'yes, only tentacles here, no dongs. This passes.'

Johnny Novgorod:
Over the top?

But of course, it somehow feels classier, no?

Windknight:

Which is why the tentacle was invented by the Japanese porn industry. A tentacle can look like a dong, squirt gooey stuff like a dong, be inserted into orifices like a dong, but the Japanese censors will look at it and go 'yes, only tentacles here, no dongs. This passes.'

That is very eye opening, thankyou for sharing. Was not aware of this at all.

Also, younger me really liked Project Zero 2, the only installment of this series i searched for and played. But knowing their pattern now, it brings certain things to light that are disheartening. But it starts to make sense.

Freedom153:
"characters acting with all the common sense of a lobster(*CAANNONBAAAALL*)in a Jacuzzi"
"They make Dead or Alive - a fighting game in the sense that late night CineMax films are thrillers"
Closing shot - BAD IMP!

Anyone care to wager what's going to end up on top and bottom this year? Without re-watching, all I can think of is bottoms...

Bottom, in no order, more than 5:
Godzilla(preeeetty sure this is going to show up)
The Order : 1886(same as above)
Alone in the Dark : Illumination
Everybody's Gone to the Rapture
Star Wars : Battlefront
Rise of the Tomb Raider (character irritation factor)
Assassin's Creed Syndicate (franchise irritation factor)

Edit: Maaaaaybe Broken Age : Act 2 as well. From the review, sounds like the second half was phoned in. Switch the two characters, aaaaand... they just adjust perfectly? Bwuh?

Yahtzee's never put a game on his worst list solely for having characters he does not like, and he said that both Rise and Syndicate were average games in his reviews, so it's highly unlikely they'll end up on his list.

I thought for sure he was going to review Tony Hawk Pro Skater 5 today just so he'd have something to put on the worst list. Though maybe he'll do it next week in a double-feature with Rainbow Six Siege(which I don't see him liking since it has no campaign whatsoever and Yahtzee hates it when franchises that previously featured single-player campaigns suddenly drop them for no good reason).

LordTerminal:

Johnny Novgorod:
Maybe Mario Maker, because franchise irritation?

Oh if he does that, I will never trust his opinions again. You don't try to stave off the bias label by putting THAT in there out of spite towards a franchise. That's elitism and it's one of the many poisons killing the industry.

No it is not, that review was glorious, I was glad that Yahtzee had the balls to call Mario Maker out as the lazy cash-grab it was, Nintendo has truly run out of ideas with Mario at this point.

Sheo_Dagana:
Ugh, ya know, I fucking love this series. Well, except that crappy 3DS game that had the potential to be cool but just wasn't. Fatal Frame is about the only horror franchise that effectively scares me - even Silent Hill can't make that claim. Well, sometimes they can. That new Pachinko machine looks terrifying as fuck. Fuck Konami, by the way.

I guess it's all in the different things that people find scary. I don't believe in ghosts whatsoever, but maybe that's what makes this whole series so scary to me. That and it doesn't always rely (or didn't as much) on Jump Scares. We never got the 4th one, which still makes me sad to this day. Sure, we got this one, but, and I'm really surprised Yahtzee didn't mention this, the game can only be bought digitally. There are no physical copies available and the game is around 16 GB. That's seriously HALF the Wii U's space, and actually more when you consider all the space updates take. Hell, those poor souls with the 8 GB drive can't even play it at all.

So basically I'd have to go out and buy a new flash drive/SD card just to buy this $49.99 game. Thanks for the heads up that it's shit, Yahtzee. Given that you confessed a love of past Fatal Frame games and other horror games in general, I shall take you at your opinion and just never play this one.

Bleh. The industry claims that horror games don't sell anymore, but they're generally not funding them very well, so it's like they're setting them up for failure. I mean, look at Bloodbourne! That's a horror game if I ever saw one, and it's sold like crazy. And instead of Remedy working on Alan Wake 2, we're getting another 'bang-bang-shooty' game.

Bloodborne is technically more of an action-adventure game.

Sheo_Dagana:
Ugh, ya know, I fucking love this series. Well, except that crappy 3DS game that had the potential to be cool but just wasn't. Fatal Frame is about the only horror franchise that effectively scares me - even Silent Hill can't make that claim. Well, sometimes they can. That new Pachinko machine looks terrifying as fuck. Fuck Konami, by the way.

I guess it's all in the different things that people find scary. I don't believe in ghosts whatsoever, but maybe that's what makes this whole series so scary to me. That and it doesn't always rely (or didn't as much) on Jump Scares. We never got the 4th one, which still makes me sad to this day. Sure, we got this one, but, and I'm really surprised Yahtzee didn't mention this, the game can only be bought digitally. There are no physical copies available and the game is around 16 GB. That's seriously HALF the Wii U's space, and actually more when you consider all the space updates take. Hell, those poor souls with the 8 GB drive can't even play it at all.

So basically I'd have to go out and buy a new flash drive/SD card just to buy this $49.99 game. Thanks for the heads up that it's shit, Yahtzee. Given that you confessed a love of past Fatal Frame games and other horror games in general, I shall take you at your opinion and just never play this one.

Bleh. The industry claims that horror games don't sell anymore, but they're generally not funding them very well, so it's like they're setting them up for failure. I mean, look at Bloodbourne! That's a horror game if I ever saw one, and it's sold like crazy. And instead of Remedy working on Alan Wake 2, we're getting another 'bang-bang-shooty' game.

Quantum Break looks really interesting though, I think it will be very different from most shooters. So I will definitely buy it.

In other words, this game should totally be on my "Newly-acquired Wii U" wishlist... after I'm done masturbating to you masturbating...

Other than that, I laughed harder than I needed to at that last statement before the credits... *sighs* Brains...

A lot of people seem to remember Pirates of Dark Water, myself included.

008Zulu:

Kaamos:

bluegate:
It might be a good thing for Koei Tecmo to just create a full on porn game

I am 100% okay with this.

Quite true, but it is illegal to make porn games in Japan. DoA and games like these are about as close as they can legally get.

Really? Could have fooled me.

OT:I love it when devs try to justify cheap titillation with in-lore reasons. It's like they're saying there is a power greater than them who controls what gets put in the game and what doesn't;

"And lo', the Asian pubescent girls will be clad in thin, white garments, so that they may be showered with the ghostly ectoplasm."

"B-but, Lord, that wouldn't fit with the theme or atmosphere..."

"Quiet, you prude!"

Actually, I forgot about publishers.

Michael Prymula:

Sheo_Dagana:
Ugh, ya know, I fucking love this series. Well, except that crappy 3DS game that had the potential to be cool but just wasn't. Fatal Frame is about the only horror franchise that effectively scares me - even Silent Hill can't make that claim. Well, sometimes they can. That new Pachinko machine looks terrifying as fuck. Fuck Konami, by the way.

I guess it's all in the different things that people find scary. I don't believe in ghosts whatsoever, but maybe that's what makes this whole series so scary to me. That and it doesn't always rely (or didn't as much) on Jump Scares. We never got the 4th one, which still makes me sad to this day. Sure, we got this one, but, and I'm really surprised Yahtzee didn't mention this, the game can only be bought digitally. There are no physical copies available and the game is around 16 GB. That's seriously HALF the Wii U's space, and actually more when you consider all the space updates take. Hell, those poor souls with the 8 GB drive can't even play it at all.

So basically I'd have to go out and buy a new flash drive/SD card just to buy this $49.99 game. Thanks for the heads up that it's shit, Yahtzee. Given that you confessed a love of past Fatal Frame games and other horror games in general, I shall take you at your opinion and just never play this one.

Bleh. The industry claims that horror games don't sell anymore, but they're generally not funding them very well, so it's like they're setting them up for failure. I mean, look at Bloodbourne! That's a horror game if I ever saw one, and it's sold like crazy. And instead of Remedy working on Alan Wake 2, we're getting another 'bang-bang-shooty' game.

Quantum Break looks really interesting though, I think it will be very different from most shooters. So I will definitely buy it.

Certainly, Bloodbourne gets 'classified' as an action/adventure game. I'd also accept it being an RPG, given it's focus on level progression and item upgrading. But still, that's sort of my point - Bloodbourne has many of the same elements of any horror game I've ever played. The difference is that people feel very differently about what 'horror' actually means.

I don't doubt that Quantum Break will be good; after all, Remedy cut their teeth on games like Max Payne, so I'm sure it will be great and I'm also sure that I'll likely enjoy it as well, because I love the studio and all of their work. But the point I am making is that AAA developers don't trust the horror genre itself and have given up on it almost entirely, which to me, is baffling.

I'm disappointed at the lack of horror games myself. Though unlike most people I was actually not against Resident Evil shifting more towards action, since 4 was the first game in the series I played, so I wanted more of that, which 5 and 6(my favorite entry in the series) delivered in spades. Also liked all the Silent Hill games after 4 a lot more then most people did.

Fatal Frame is an alright franchise, but nothing really all that remarkable in my opinion(i'd personally rather see another "Suffering" game then another Fatal Frame), and both Jim Sterling and Yahtzee's review of this game have pretty much confirmed my suspicious of it. I'll buy it once i've exhausted all the retail options the Wii U has.

To answer your question, the Fatal Frame camera is a shitty, old fashioned, ten pound albatross that uses rolls of film and eldritch forces that should not be meddled with. This is not something you want to put in a flashlight or else you will end up completely ruining a slumber party further down the road.

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