Zero Punctuation: Top 5 Games of 2015

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Top 5 Games of 2015

This week, the annual Top 5 lists.

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Part of me is wondering that if Yahtzee was going to review Undertale anyways, why didn't he review it the week before Christmas?
The other part is glad that he upheld the tradition of reviewing a Wii U game he doesn't like when the "you better be done with Christmas shopping by now" season begins (exception being ZombiU, but I feel it's the starting point in a downward trend).

When Yahtzee decided to add Undertale as a surprise candidate, I knew it was going to be his #1 right off the bat.

Xman490:
Part of me is wondering that if Yahtzee was going to review Undertale anyways, why didn't he review it the week before Christmas?
The other part is glad that he upheld the tradition of reviewing a Wii U game he doesn't like (exception being ZombiU, but I feel it's the starting point in a downward trend).

He said that it's a game that should be played blindly so you can get the most out of it.
Doing a review would be doing the game and its message a disservice.

This is the first time that my personal favorite game of any given year matched up with Yahtzee's, but I guess Undertale is just that fucking good, isn't it?

Yes. Yes, it is.

Way to cheat your own system so you can get UnderTale in at number 1 where it belongs Yahtzee!

And I also have to give you props for putting The Order 1886 at number 1 worst. It does everything I hate about the modern AAA industry.

Great list!
Called out every Best 5 winner :P
I would've thought The Order was a candidate for #1 Bland rather than #1 Bad though. And that Nintendo would feature prominently in the Bland list, as opposed to "nowhere at all".

I laughed so hard in the beginning that everyone rushed into my room to see what's so funny.
And went back, muttering "It's games again".
This was amazing!

And the bland games list is an excellent addition.

Damn, wasn't that a low year. Yahtzee had to make a second list for games he didn't like. Quite the rocky year for the worst list though, It's pathetic how the games with the largest funds and the most expensive talent (not necessarily the best talent) can turn into such boring or just poorly designed slop that overshadows all the games made with actual passion coming from human beings.

Damn this is depressing.

Johnny Novgorod:
Great list!
Called out every Best 5 winner :P
I would've thought The Order was a candidate for #1 Bland rather than #1 Bad though. And that Nintendo would feature prominently in the Bland list, as opposed to "nowhere at all".

Nintendo have developed a system to have just enough wit and invention to avoid being the blandest, but not enough to be notable.

HaywirePoet:
Damn, wasn't that a low year. Yahtzee had to make a second list for games he didn't like. Quite the rocky year for the worst list though, It's pathetic how the games with the largest funds and the most expensive talent (not necessarily the best talent) can turn into such boring or just poorly designed slop that overshadows all the games made with actual passion coming from human beings.

Damn this is depressing.

Wow! I mean i have doubleposted myself before, but that sh** is truly impressive!
And i personally thought this was one of the best years for games. Witcher 3, Undertale all great games. There were always more sh**ty games that yathzee could put on any of his worst games list, that he did it this year just shows how tired he has gotten form bland games, not how much the quality of the game dropped.

I tried the demo for undertale and can only assume i didn't "get it".

I'm not sure I would have put Undertale at #1. Granted the fans could give Trekkies a run for their money in terms of rabid obsession, but its a very polarizing game. You either thought it was the 2nd coming of Firefly, or another season of Here Comes Honey Boo-Boo.
Personally I don't get it. Not saying its bad, it just doesn't hit any of my buttons and indeed probably flips a few switches to 'off'.

Just seems to me the #1 shouldn't be controversial, or at least should be a game that is universally loved. Amongst my group of friends, I honestly would say its a pretty tight 50/50 split over who thinks Undertale is worth playing or not.

But then again, I thought Ori and Blind Forest was amazing and it didn't even make any of the lists, so what do I know?!

Dannyjw:
I tried the demo for undertale and can only assume i didn't "get it".

Same. No idea why its so praised. Not saying its bad. But like Darkest Dungeon and Borderlands, I just don't get it.

HaywirePoet seems to be stuck on a loop, someone give him a kick to get him going again.

I approve of the addition of a third list. Makes sense to have a different category for games that make you go "eh" and games that make you go "eugh", if only because it means the truly bad games can't hide as much anymore

Half the reason I didn't like Undertale was in fact because of the bullet hell combat.

I guess the problem is that I'm a massive fan of bullet hell shoot-em-ups.

Thus, I'm used to a way higher difficulty level, and Undertale I found to be a joke by comparison.

When your gameplay doesn't interest me, it's going to take an enthralling story to keep me playing. Undertale just didn't do it for me in that regard.

And I guess its rabid fanbase didn't help.

Amaror:

HaywirePoet:
Damn, wasn't that a low year. Yahtzee had to make a second list for games he didn't like. Quite the rocky year for the worst list though, It's pathetic how the games with the largest funds and the most expensive talent (not necessarily the best talent) can turn into such boring or just poorly designed slop that overshadows all the games made with actual passion coming from human beings.

Damn this is depressing.

Wow! I mean i have doubleposted myself before, but that sh** is truly impressive!
And i personally thought this was one of the best years for games. Witcher 3, Undertale all great games. There were always more sh**ty games that yathzee could put on any of his worst games list, that he did it this year just shows how tired he has gotten form bland games, not how much the quality of the game dropped.

Aww crap, that must be some kind of bug, I'm posting on mobile.
While I agree that there was plenty of good games, way more than last year, you have to admit the shit far outweighs the good, and it feels like even more AAA games are becoming blander, more poorly designed, and overall more of a flop.

Quite sorry about posting so many times, I only pressed post one time.
Really sorry about the spam.

Solid list. Although Order: 1886 came as a surprise since it was bland enough for me to have already forgotten its existence by now.

Might also be because I played it for 2 hours (since I got it in a bundle with my PS4) before flogging it for 20 bucks and switching over to Bloodborne instead.

HaywirePoet:
Damn, wasn't that a low year. Yahtzee had to make a second list for games he didn't like. Quite the rocky year for the worst list though, It's pathetic how the games with the largest funds and the most expensive talent (not necessarily the best talent) can turn into such boring or just poorly designed slop that overshadows all the games made with actual passion coming from human beings.

Damn this hobby is depressing.

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Quite surprised Just Cause 3 didn't end up on his best list, not surprised that he cheated for his #1 game though.

Also though Order 1886 would end up #1 on the bland list, not worst, but i'm not complaining because that game really was a monumental letdown in every aspect.

I think there were good games then bad ones this year, this is the first time I've agreed with every single one of Yahtzee's "worst" list choices(though if I was him I would've put Mario Maker on the worst list or at least gave it a dishonorable mention), though I disagree with all but one of the games on the "bland" list

Rise of the Tomb Raider is definitely one of my top games of the year.

jurnag12:
Solid list. Although Order: 1886 came as a surprise since it was bland enough for me to have already forgotten its existence by now.

Might also be because I played it for 2 hours (since I got it in a bundle with my PS4) before flogging it for 20 bucks and switching over to Bloodborne instead.

HaywirePoet:
Damn, wasn't that a low year. Yahtzee had to make a second list for games he didn't like. Quite the rocky year for the worst list though, It's pathetic how the games with the largest funds and the most expensive talent (not necessarily the best talent) can turn into such boring or just poorly designed slop that overshadows all the games made with actual passion coming from human beings.

Damn this hobby is depressing.

Ladies and gentlemen, a rare example of the mythical duodecuple post in the wild. Gaze upon it swiftly but softly, lest we scare it away and have it get consumed by the majestic Moderator, its natural predator.

Haha, nice one dude, seriously sorry about that spam, must be a bug though. I'm posting from my phone.

Silentpony:
Just seems to me the #1 shouldn't be controversial, or at least should be a game that is universally loved. Amongst my group of friends, I honestly would say its a pretty tight 50/50 split over who thinks Undertale is worth playing or not.

On a personal list (or when you're Yahtzee and just don't give a crap about other people) there's no need to look for "consensus" or anything like that.

Dannyjw:
I tried the demo for undertale and can only assume i didn't "get it".

No, that is the entire game, and more, since the twist in the end is that there is more of the same after you complate the game.

Silentpony:

Dannyjw:
I tried the demo for undertale and can only assume i didn't "get it".

Same. No idea why its so praised. Not saying its bad. But like Darkest Dungeon and Borderlands, I just don't get it.

I swear the internet is trying to bait me sometimes:

Its Earthbound/Mother for Indie Hipsters and "Games are ART" crowd.

Its a game that turns the RPG gameplay to its ugly head. As if RPGs are soley defined by killing and grinding. Heck the plot feels like it came out of a Creepypasta.

The tone can be so inconsistant with 1 second you hear a somber and etheral sounding music and the next you see this clown of a character in the form of Papyrus.

Case in point I just hate these kinds of Indie games.

Count me in the ring for "thoroughly unimpressed by undertale (and even further turned off by its fans)". It's Yahtzee's list though, so he's free to put whatever the hell he wants wherever he wants.

Funny way to avoid breaking your own rules, Yahtzee :P.

Amaror:

HaywirePoet:
Damn, wasn't that a low year. Yahtzee had to make a second list for games he didn't like. Quite the rocky year for the worst list though, It's pathetic how the games with the largest funds and the most expensive talent (not necessarily the best talent) can turn into such boring or just poorly designed slop that overshadows all the games made with actual passion coming from human beings.

Damn this is depressing.

Wow! I mean i have doubleposted myself before, but that sh** is truly impressive!
And i personally thought this was one of the best years for games. Witcher 3, Undertale all great games. There were always more sh**ty games that yathzee could put on any of his worst games list, that he did it this year just shows how tired he has gotten form bland games, not how much the quality of the game dropped.

The funniest thing is, his username is very appropriate: "HaywirePoet"

On topic, I did NOT see the "Blandest" list coming. At all. I wonder if that will be returning next year? If so, the Blandest Blands are going to make guessing really hard next year.

Freedom153:

Bottom, in no order, more than 5:
Godzilla(preeeetty sure this is going to show up)
The Order : 1886(same as above)
Alone in the Dark : Illumination
Everybody's Gone to the Rapture
Star Wars : Battlefront
Rise of the Tomb Raider (character irritation factor)
Assassin's Creed Syndicate (franchise irritation factor)

Edit: Maaaaaybe Broken Age : Act 2 as well. From the review, sounds like the second half was phoned in. Switch the two characters, aaaaand... they just adjust perfectly? Bwuh?

Aside from Broken Age Act 2, every single one showed up, bottom 5 or in the 5 blandest blands. Didn't call Hatred being in the Bottom 5, though.

Silentpony:
Just seems to me the #1 shouldn't be controversial, or at least should be a game that is universally loved. Amongst my group of friends, I honestly would say its a pretty tight 50/50 split over who thinks Undertale is worth playing or not.

I think that's an absolutely wrong attitude to have. For starters, it's a dude's personal list, so whatever ranks ranks.

Also, for a reviewer to cater to a preconceived notion of what is best is for them to make themselves redundant and thus unnecessary. Plus, something universally loved isn't necessarily the best, just on average inoffensive or some level of good. The first Marvel's Avengers movie is pretty universally loved, but for a lot of movie fans wouldn't rank anywhere close to as high as a film like 2001: A Space Odyssey, which is polarizing among people, but evokes a much greater reaction from its fans than the latest action blockbusters normally do. Undertale's controversy and fanbase woes come from the fact the the people who enjoy it really love it. It definitely doesn't click with some people, but a bunch of the players who do get it get really affected by it and then attached to it. It clicked for Yahtzee enough for him to break his own rule just to put it at the top of his list.

For disclosure, I'm a self-professed Undertale fanboy, so I do have that reason to defend Yahtzee's position, but I don't think that makes my point any less valid.

I can't go with him on Elite: Dangerous, it bored the pants off me. But, that is a niche game and it the sort of thing it makes sense would appeal to him. I like the addition of a Top 5 Blandest games list, that was a fun touch. Surprised Fallout 4 wasn't on that one.

Also, you can't call Undertale a hipster SJW game anymore when it's Yahtzee's game of the year, and TotalBiscuit's second favourite game. For a start, the final genocide run boss is probably harder than anything in Dark Souls.

So I guess I need to pick up Undertale at some point, then...

Spiffing way to end the year, Yahtzee. Good show.

I thought Undertale was a very solid and well-done RPG. I liked most of the characters, the story had some unique and interesting twists, and the soundtrack was the best one I've heard all year.

That said, I understand why some people don't like it, and the fanbase has quickly gotten ridiculous. Though I suppose that happens when something gets popular.

I don't know where these rabid crazy fans of Undertale are.

I feel like I see so many more rabid haters of Undertale who comment about Undertale and its fans whenever they can.

Silentpony:
Just seems to me the #1 shouldn't be controversial, or at least should be a game that is universally loved.

That kind of thinking encompasses everything that's wrong with the "AAA" games industry. Why try anything different or unique or possibly polarizing (though as a fan of Undertale, I believe that the only reason the game is so polarizing is because its fanbase has exceeded Sonic levels of horridness, but I digress) when you can pick something safe that everyone can agree is good enough?

saxman234:
I don't know where these rabid crazy fans of Undertale are.

Literally any social media platform where games are discussed.

It took me roughly two days after first hearing about Undertale to become utterly sick of it and I've not even played it. I'm sick of the very concept of it because the fanbase alone has outright put me off. Maybe I'll play it in a year or two if it ever gets really cheap and when people finally stop going on and on.

Woo! Extra-length video this time! Anyway, it's nice to see that a game like Undertale has to be doing something right when it could touch even Yahtzee's cold black heart... So yeah, good list, and the addition of a third category was a nice touch.

saxman234:
I don't know where these rabid crazy fans of Undertale are.

I feel like I see so many more rabid haters of Undertale who comment about Undertale and its fans whenever they can.

Right? I feel like there's this propensity to label fan-bases as rotten and horrible because someone somewhere has an overly annoying zealous friend who likes aforementioned 'thing'. And because of that the thing MUST be bad.

And then there's the people who 'just don't like that sort of thing' who sadly can't get away from the thing online and I empathize with them. I didn't like something everyone else liked once too (The legend of Korra hype on my medium on choice was feverish and I just...didn't care) , it sucks, but you gotta just bare with it until something new comes along instead of lashing out.

Anyway, good list, the breaking of the rules at the start made me laugh genuinely.

saxman234:
I don't know where these rabid crazy fans of Undertale are.

I feel like I see so many more rabid haters of Undertale who comment about Undertale and its fans whenever they can.

Me neither, honestly. The only thing (from what I've seen) that the fanbase seems to be guilty of is liking the game a lot... and porn. All the porn. But that's literally everything. There doesn't seem to be any animosity floating about, and when there is, it's usually in direct response of people that aren't impressed by it getting really antagonistic about its popluarity.

And I gotta say.. if a bunch of people not shutting up about something I couldn't care less about is what makes a fanbase shitty, then maaaan, there are a lot of them I feel like it's my duty to hate now. 'Ey Skyrim fans! C'mere! I got some shit to talk to you about! No, you don't know me... but you will.

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OT: I take a lot of frequent breaks from Yahtzee these days... and videos like this always make me forget why I did that. Hardest I've laughed in a while.

I disagree with the halo 5 being blandest. It was a refreshing throwback to arena shooters with balance and just tight tight gameplay.

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