Zootopia - If Animals Can Overcome Racism and Sexism, Why Can't We?

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Zootopia - If Animals Can Overcome Racism and Sexism, Why Can't We?

Zootopia is a serious message movie about prejudice brought to you by Disney - and it's also hilarious, gorgeous, and thrilling. Yeah, that's pretty awesome.

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I wouldn't be surprised if Zootopia started as one of the younger generation's bright and cheery cartoon classics, only to later be revisited in something like Race or Gender Studies papers a few decades down the line - long enough for the flick to be someone's first exposure to both issues.

Well.... I feel less original now.... Time to once again scrap an idea that I've scrapped before.

On the other hand here's another movie I would see in theaters if I didn't hate people under 17 years of age.

Well that's surprising.

When I saw the trailer featuring the drawn-out "DMV run by sloths" bit in the trailer, I thought, "Yeah... No, thanks. I guess that one joke-bit is misrepresentative of the final product.

...Man, if Marter liked it, this might be legit :o

I'll admit, I kinda "Grown out of" animated flicks like these, think the last time I "Had" to see something like this was Wreck-it Ralph because of course I had to.
Might give me a bit of a much needed laugh once this bastard of a college project is over

Diablo1099:
I'll admit, I kinda "Grown out of" animated flicks like these, think the last time I "Had" to see something like this was Wreck-it Ralph because of course I had to.

It should be noted that it's been co-directed by Rich Moore, who directed Wreck-It Ralph, and both of Wreck-It Ralph's screenwriters were involved in its story/screenplay.

Marter:

Diablo1099:
I'll admit, I kinda "Grown out of" animated flicks like these, think the last time I "Had" to see something like this was Wreck-it Ralph because of course I had to.

It should be noted that it's been co-directed by Rich Moore, who directed Wreck-It Ralph, and both of Wreck-It Ralph's screenwriters were involved in its story/screenplay.

...Well, that's my Sunday evening settled then :D

Cheers man, thanks for the heads up. :)

Diablo1099:

Marter:

Diablo1099:
I'll admit, I kinda "Grown out of" animated flicks like these, think the last time I "Had" to see something like this was Wreck-it Ralph because of course I had to.

It should be noted that it's been co-directed by Rich Moore, who directed Wreck-It Ralph, and both of Wreck-It Ralph's screenwriters were involved in its story/screenplay.

...Well, that's my Sunday evening settled then :D

Cheers man, thanks for the heads up. :)

Not to mention all the Futurama he's directed.

My sister's super into foxes and I happened to like Jason Bateman so I told her I'd go see it with her though I'm still a little dubious... I still love animated movies but I'm not big on anthropomorphic animals.

Maaaaaan I'm probably gonna hear all about how people feel about this movie on Tumblr since at a glance, movies about racism and sexism and anthro animals appeal to all the little SJW on Tumblr. And lots of hot fox-on-bunny action since Tumblr is also disgusting and doesn't know how to not insert sex into everything.

That being said, it's nice to read about it beforehand though I've had some (personal, mind) disagreements about what qualifies as a good "Cinemarter" movie - i.e. I thought the payoff to the VVitch was terrible and Marter liked it so difference of opinion. As long as my sister likes it (which she probably will)

I had high hopes for this, it is great to see they weren't unfounded. There is a beautiful balance the best of these animated films make, that can appeal to so many and mean different things to each viewer depending on their life experience and intelligence. That is art at its finest.

remnant_phoenix:

When I saw the trailer featuring the drawn-out "DMV run by sloths" bit in the trailer, I thought, "Yeah... No, thanks. I guess that one joke-bit is misrepresentative of the final product.

Yeah, that probably wasn't the best scene to put in a trailer. In a short, five to ten second clip, it's hilarious. But when the whole scene came out as a trailer, I got tired of the joke. It went on too long. "Okay, Sloths are slow. We get it. Move on please." Perhaps it works better in the whole movie.

Anyway, I was planning on seeing this the moment I saw the first teaser. Reading such a positive review has only upped my excitement.

Spider RedNight:
My sister's super into foxes and I happened to like Jason Bateman so I told her I'd go see it with her though I'm still a little dubious... I still love animated movies but I'm not big on anthropomorphic animals.

Maaaaaan I'm probably gonna hear all about how people feel about this movie on Tumblr since at a glance, movies about racism and sexism and anthro animals appeal to all the little SJW on Tumblr. And lots of hot fox-on-bunny action since Tumblr is also disgusting and doesn't know how to not insert sex into everything.

That being said, it's nice to read about it beforehand though I've had some (personal, mind) disagreements about what qualifies as a good "Cinemarter" movie - i.e. I thought the payoff to the VVitch was terrible and Marter liked it so difference of opinion. As long as my sister likes it (which she probably will)

Careful you don't hurt yourself with that axe you're grinding.

OT: The movie looks like something I could watch with my 10 year old brother and 9 year old sister even though I'm two decades older than my siblings (long story), though I'm not gonna see it in theaters.

Seems like Disney is getting a solid grasp on making worlds you just want to live in. As much as I didn't really care for Big Hero 6, the world it presented was quite intoxicating.

Spider RedNight:
And lots of hot fox-on-bunny action since Tumblr is also disgusting and doesn't know how to not insert sex into everything.

In the words of Cinema Sins:

"That bunny is surprisingly sexy and I'm OK with that...and I am not OK with that."

:3

monkeymangler:

Spider RedNight:
My sister's super into foxes and I happened to like Jason Bateman so I told her I'd go see it with her though I'm still a little dubious... I still love animated movies but I'm not big on anthropomorphic animals.

Maaaaaan I'm probably gonna hear all about how people feel about this movie on Tumblr since at a glance, movies about racism and sexism and anthro animals appeal to all the little SJW on Tumblr. And lots of hot fox-on-bunny action since Tumblr is also disgusting and doesn't know how to not insert sex into everything.

That being said, it's nice to read about it beforehand though I've had some (personal, mind) disagreements about what qualifies as a good "Cinemarter" movie - i.e. I thought the payoff to the VVitch was terrible and Marter liked it so difference of opinion. As long as my sister likes it (which she probably will)

Careful you don't hurt yourself with that axe you're grinding.

Thanks for the warning; hurting myself and seeing the blood from my whining lets me know that I'M ALIVE, however.

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What would it be if not an axe. A machete? Or does "a machete to grind" too much of a mouthful? But why grind an axe when you could say something inconsequential like "SuperWhoLock is trash" and then watch as the hate floods in like limpid tears of blood down my pallid face?

[[ Was that too over-the-top? I can never tell. batmanforever.png ]]

RatGouf:
Well.... I feel less original now.... Time to once again scrap an idea that I've scrapped before.

On the other hand here's another movie I would see in theaters if I didn't hate people under 17 years of age.

Eh don't feel too bad. This movie seems so close to the webcomic Kevin and Kell it's almost suspicious. Difference in that comic is predators still eat prey species. And it's completely legal, nay expected.

That said though: I loved this movie so much.

Knowing Disney, they will probably turned this into a tv series at some point into the future.

Still I will give it a watch if I can.

Having watched it I'll have to agree that it's good, but I do have my criticisms, and most of them involve Judy (the bunny protagonist).
For a film all about prejudice and its causes, it comes of as rather strange that she's so morally pure and lacking in any real flaws or arc, especially considering the following:
A) They show her growing up in a small, isolated, rural town that's mostly populated by bunnies.
B) It's shown that her parents are terrified of predators, and foxes in particular.
C) She is shown to be bullied specifically by a fox.
D) The film is hammering home the theme that prejudice is largely the result of fear.

It just seems like a perfect recipe for her to develop some kind of prejudice/fear against foxes, so that by the end she can have an arc where she realizes her prejudice against predators is not so dissimilar to the prejudice she herself experiences as a bunny-cop, but instead in the first few minutes of the film she's already lecturing her parents on how unfairly they're stereotyping predators. I mean, she even teams up with a fox for most of the movie. By the way it's all set up it almost feels like they were going to go that route but bailed on it part way through; perhaps they didn't want their protagonist to not be a walking embodiment of morality or something.
I'm not saying it's impossible for someone to ignore their upbringing and life experiences, but if you're making a story about prejudice, especially one that puts forth the idea that prejudice often stems from fear, you might want to acknowledge the fact that fear itself can often be the result of traumatic experiences, ignorance, and people's upbringing.

I don't know, she just seemed way too tolerant right from the beginning for a film about intolerance.

Spider RedNight:
Why grind an axe when you could say something inconsequential like "SuperWhoLock is trash" and then watch as the hate floods in like limpid tears of blood down my pallid face?

Someone's gone Full Gothic...

As for the edginess, it goes without saying. The first trailer was released to the distant moans of tumescent Furry fans the world over. You could hear it if you listened intently, by the favor of night's embrace... With the movie being finally released? I can scarcely imagine.

Whatever you do, just don't look for Rule 34 of Nick and Judy. Preserve thine sanity at all costs!

FirstNameLastName:
I don't know, Judy just seemed way too tolerant right from the beginning for a film about intolerance.

Why, that's the Standard Disney Formula! You need a Beacon of Virtue and a Lovable Sleazeball, otherwise Beacon will never discover the powers of improvisation and Sleazeball will never heal from his character-wounding traumatic childhood experience or marital failure!

IamLEAM1983:

Spider RedNight:
Why grind an axe when you could say something inconsequential like "SuperWhoLock is trash" and then watch as the hate floods in like limpid tears of blood down my pallid face?

Someone's gone Full Gothic...

As for the edginess, it goes without saying. The first trailer was released to the distant moans of tumescent Furry fans the world over. You could hear it if you listened intently, by the favor of night's embrace... With the movie being finally released? I can scarcely imagine.

Whatever you do, just don't look for Rule 34 of Nick and Judy. Preserve thine sanity at all costs!

I'll never pass by an opportunity to quote My Immortal. Edgefest2016

Also one doesn't need to look for Rule 34 of anything; it literally falls into everyone's laps when it's not being shoved in faces like "LOOK AT THIS CROSS-SPECIES ROMANCE EMBRACE IT"

Spider RedNight:

IamLEAM1983:

Spider RedNight:
Why grind an axe when you could say something inconsequential like "SuperWhoLock is trash" and then watch as the hate floods in like limpid tears of blood down my pallid face?

Someone's gone Full Gothic...

As for the edginess, it goes without saying. The first trailer was released to the distant moans of tumescent Furry fans the world over. You could hear it if you listened intently, by the favor of night's embrace... With the movie being finally released? I can scarcely imagine.

Whatever you do, just don't look for Rule 34 of Nick and Judy. Preserve thine sanity at all costs!

I'll never pass by an opportunity to quote My Immortal. Edgefest2016

Also one doesn't need to look for Rule 34 of anything; it literally falls into everyone's laps when it's not being shoved in faces like "LOOK AT THIS CROSS-SPECIES ROMANCE EMBRACE IT"

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I don't care if some dictionaries have added that misuse, it still makes me cringe.

As for R34, I have to wonder, where exactly have you been browsing to have encountered it enough to be considered shoved in your face?

a) Those arent animals.. those are anthromophized CGI depictions of animals. Aka "not real" and thus dont have to deal with allll the shit real humans have to deal with.

b) The reason they can "overcome" racism, sexism and ALLLLLL the other isms in the world is because the script said so.

c) This "cartoon characters tell you how to be a better person" nonsense isnt new, remember captain planet? Sonic the hedgehog? GI Joe? HE MAN? They all had moral lessons build into their shows. Did it matter? Pft.. no? All they did was being cringeworthy and come off as incredibly preachy.

So to answer the question "why we cant overcome these things":

We are human, we are real, with real problems that cant be simply overcome by "the power of friendship" or "love" or all that bloomy nonsense that alot of people simply dont care for. Least the mouse of all things for christs sake.

Enjoy the movie as it is, an optimistic, humorus, yet naive message like ALL THE OTHER movies ever produced that dealt with those themes.

And yes... im extremely fun at parties.

It just hits me as incredibly pretentious to ask why "These fictitious characters can overcome all these social problems in a span of 1 hour and 30 minutes yet us REAL people cant seem to do that?" I mean really?

FirstNameLastName:

Spider RedNight:

IamLEAM1983:

Someone's gone Full Gothic...

As for the edginess, it goes without saying. The first trailer was released to the distant moans of tumescent Furry fans the world over. You could hear it if you listened intently, by the favor of night's embrace... With the movie being finally released? I can scarcely imagine.

Whatever you do, just don't look for Rule 34 of Nick and Judy. Preserve thine sanity at all costs!

I'll never pass by an opportunity to quote My Immortal. Edgefest2016

Also one doesn't need to look for Rule 34 of anything; it literally falls into everyone's laps when it's not being shoved in faces like "LOOK AT THIS CROSS-SPECIES ROMANCE EMBRACE IT"


I don't care if some dictionaries have added that misuse, it still makes me cringe.

As for R34, I have to wonder, where exactly have you been browsing to have encountered it enough to be considered shoved in your face?

What, you've never had images of Rule 34 dumped into your lap in a physical sense? 'Cuz I have. Some people after school are weeeeeeird.

Also google. Any art website where I'm trying to look for poses or textures and you literally(hah I did it again see) can't walk three feet without being bombarded by some thirteen-year-old's wet dream of MLP characters boning each other. Maybe ANY rule 34, to me, is considered "in your face" because I'm asexual so I think anything like that's grody. I'm not the best person to ask about this~

Spider RedNight:

FirstNameLastName:

Spider RedNight:

I'll never pass by an opportunity to quote My Immortal. Edgefest2016

Also one doesn't need to look for Rule 34 of anything; it literally falls into everyone's laps when it's not being shoved in faces like "LOOK AT THIS CROSS-SPECIES ROMANCE EMBRACE IT"


I don't care if some dictionaries have added that misuse, it still makes me cringe.

As for R34, I have to wonder, where exactly have you been browsing to have encountered it enough to be considered shoved in your face?

What, you've never had images of Rule 34 dumped into your lap in a physical sense? 'Cuz I have. Some people after school are weeeeeeird.

Also google. Any art website where I'm trying to look for poses or textures and you literally(hah I did it again see) can't walk three feet without being bombarded by some thirteen-year-old's wet dream of MLP characters boning each other. Maybe ANY rule 34, to me, is considered "in your face" because I'm asexual so I think anything like that's grody. I'm not the best person to ask about this~

Fair enough. I don't really browse many such sites, but I'm well aware pretty much anything that allows images and/or video will be stuffed full porn in no time. Even so, where ever Zootopia R34 exists, there will probably be regular furry porn anyway, so it's kind of a drop in the ocean. Still, I'm fully expecting each and every background character will appear in at least one piece of porn in the future. Mark my words, it'll be completely plundered for characters, no matter how minor.

FirstNameLastName:

Spider RedNight:

FirstNameLastName:


I don't care if some dictionaries have added that misuse, it still makes me cringe.

As for R34, I have to wonder, where exactly have you been browsing to have encountered it enough to be considered shoved in your face?

What, you've never had images of Rule 34 dumped into your lap in a physical sense? 'Cuz I have. Some people after school are weeeeeeird.

Also google. Any art website where I'm trying to look for poses or textures and you literally(hah I did it again see) can't walk three feet without being bombarded by some thirteen-year-old's wet dream of MLP characters boning each other. Maybe ANY rule 34, to me, is considered "in your face" because I'm asexual so I think anything like that's grody. I'm not the best person to ask about this~

Fair enough. I don't really browse many such sites, but I'm well aware pretty much anything that allows images and/or video will be stuffed full porn in no time. Even so, where ever Zootopia R34 exists, there will probably be regular furry porn anyway, so it's kind of a drop in the ocean. Still, I'm fully expecting each and every background character will appear in at least one piece of porn in the future. Mark my words, it'll be completely plundered for characters, no matter how minor.

Oh, definitely. I concur completely. Nothing is safe from Rule 34 and/or the fandom.

Marter:
If Animals Can Overcome Racism and Sexism, Why Can't We?

Fucking seriously?

"Land Before Time" overcame racism 28 fucking years ago. Why can't we?!

Remember... Three-horns never play with Long-necks.

Get this shit outta here.

Ah yes, Blacksad4Kids: The Movie, isn't it? Hilariously (or not really) in Blacksad racism has less to do with the species and it's actually about the fur-/feather-/skin-colour. Then again, Blacksad wouldn't be much different if its characters were humans - Zootopia giving us a more fantastical scenario.

Anyway... yay for furries, I guess.

I hadn't heard much about this film up unitl now, but having heard in multiple places that it's really good, I really want to go see it when it comes out in the UK.

Spider RedNight:
Maaaaaan I'm probably gonna hear all about how people feel about this movie on Tumblr since at a glance, movies about racism and sexism and anthro animals appeal to all the little SJW on Tumblr. And lots of hot fox-on-bunny action since Tumblr is also disgusting and doesn't know how to not insert sex into everything.

You realize of course that no one is forcing you to go to Tumblr, right? It's a fairly self-contained site, the only reason you would even see anything on Tumblr- be it politics or porn- is if you specifically went out looking for it.

hentropy:

Spider RedNight:
Maaaaaan I'm probably gonna hear all about how people feel about this movie on Tumblr since at a glance, movies about racism and sexism and anthro animals appeal to all the little SJW on Tumblr. And lots of hot fox-on-bunny action since Tumblr is also disgusting and doesn't know how to not insert sex into everything.

You realize of course that no one is forcing you to go to Tumblr, right? It's a fairly self-contained site, the only reason you would even see anything on Tumblr- be it politics or porn- is if you specifically went out looking for it.

What are you talking about? "CHOICE"? What's that? I go to Tumblr because I have a gun to my head and the three guys in my closet say that if I don't, then they'll kill me. What an idyllic world you live in where going to Tumblr is a choice.

Also I feel it bears worth mentioning that stuff like politics or porn is actually really easy to find on Tumblr even if you aren't looking for it because it's everywhere. I could go to someone's page because it says they like Don't Starve or something and get a face-full of non-tagged NSFW of some gay pairing with no notice. I didn't LOOK for it but there it is in all its weird glory. Same thing with people supporting -insert political figure here-. I don't have to look, it just shows up. And that's fine, it's what other people like.

Just sayin'. Super Sayin'.

There is that annoying collective "we".

OT: This movie looked cute, I think my girlfriend wants to see it, so I'm not hating on it at all.

remnant_phoenix:
Well that's surprising.

When I saw the trailer featuring the drawn-out "DMV run by sloths" bit in the trailer, I thought, "Yeah... No, thanks. I guess that one joke-bit is misrepresentative of the final product.

I just got back from the premier, and I can testify that the movie is really, really funny. The sloth scene was good, but it was certainly not the best in the film. This is probably the single best non-pixar film Disney has put out in years. I would highly recommend it.

As for the racism angle, it's definitely there, but it doesn't feel too heavy handed. The "racism" that exists in the film feels unique to the world, and not like an obvious parallel to real world racism. It's not like one group was enslaved, and the other was a slave owner. Instead, the prey feel a slight grudge against the predators for hunting their ancestors, and the predators feel a slight grudge against the prey because they make up 90% of the population, and sometimes see them as savage. It cuts both ways, which is much more interesting then if the film makers had simply made a film that was completely analogous to racism in America. The subject matter may turn some people off, but they're missing out on one of the best animated films of the year if they don't see it.

One thing I have to wonder about their world that I think was pointed out by someone else is what exactly the predators eat now. After all, many of them are carnivores, so they'd still need some kind of meat. I suppose they've probably evolved to be omnivores now. In fact, that raises further questions about omnivores as well; do any of them eat any meat, if so, what? Or have they all gone vegetarian?

FirstNameLastName:
Having watched it I'll have to agree that it's good, but I do have my criticisms, and most of them involve Judy (the bunny protagonist).
For a film all about prejudice and its causes, it comes of as rather strange that she's so morally pure and lacking in any real flaws or arc, especially considering the following:
A) They show her growing up in a small, isolated, rural town that's mostly populated by bunnies.
B) It's shown that her parents are terrified of predators, and foxes in particular.
C) She is shown to be bullied specifically by a fox.
D) The film is hammering home the theme that prejudice is largely the result of fear.

It just seems like a perfect recipe for her to develop some kind of prejudice/fear against foxes, so that by the end she can have an arc where she realizes her prejudice against predators is not so dissimilar to the prejudice she herself experiences as a bunny-cop, but instead in the first few minutes of the film she's already lecturing her parents on how unfairly they're stereotyping predators. I mean, she even teams up with a fox for most of the movie. By the way it's all set up it almost feels like they were going to go that route but bailed on it part way through; perhaps they didn't want their protagonist to not be a walking embodiment of morality or something.
I'm not saying it's impossible for someone to ignore their upbringing and life experiences, but if you're making a story about prejudice, especially one that puts forth the idea that prejudice often stems from fear, you might want to acknowledge the fact that fear itself can often be the result of traumatic experiences, ignorance, and people's upbringing.

I don't know, she just seemed way too tolerant right from the beginning for a film about intolerance.

She did though. Judy had several moments where she had visible prejudices against foxes, including when she first met Nick. That's the whole reason they met, she followed him because he was a fox (racial profiling).

FirstNameLastName:
One thing I have to wonder about their world that I think was pointed out by someone else is what exactly the predators eat now. After all, many of them are carnivores, so they'd still need some kind of meat. I suppose they've probably evolved to be omnivores now. In fact, that raises further questions about omnivores as well; do any of them eat any meat, if so, what? Or have they all gone vegetarian?

A question I had too. I think it's implied that only mammals became sapient in this universe so things like fish, reptiles, bugs, or birds are completely okay to eat. Nick was said to mostly if not completely subsist on plants according to the creator's twitter (which makes sense, foxes are omnivores), and some animals like Clawhauser have shifted to different diets. His being donut heavy.

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