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Black Desert Online

The character creator is the most interesting thing in Black Desert.

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I just took a look as some examples on Google Image. Those player characters look pretty damn real. Almost uncanny valley real, as if they had taken their own faces and photoshopped them onto the characters.

So I can make a GoatShep archetype? All hail the new Derpasaurus character I can make... I will make.

If only the game had more interesting and NOT gender/age/weapon locked classes... it sounds like an mmo from the olden days.

I mean what fun is it that your class is tied down to a single weapon type? Never got the whole class/genderlock stuff and why its so prominent in asian mmos.

I heard something good on a BroTeam video once: that a Korean MMO's success is measured by how many people it's killed. I can probably think of five better ways to die just off the top of my head. Anyway, with bodies like that, I'd just pass away sad and disappointed to be living in Scotland.

Soooooo it's basically the exact same as TERA, Blade and Soul, and every other Korean-made MMO?

Karadalis:
If only the game had more interesting and NOT gender/age/weapon locked classes

aaaannnnnddd there goes any interest I had in the game.
Any MMO or game with a character creator that gender locks it's classes is automatic no in my book.

sageoftruth:
I just took a look as some examples on Google Image. Those player characters look pretty damn real. Almost uncanny valley real, as if they had taken their own faces and photoshopped them onto the characters.

It was the first thing I did too. At first, I didn't think much of it. Just another fans-service-laden Korean MMO with female characters that have that 'realdoll' look to them.

Then I saw that one person apparently turned himself into Fantasy White Michael Jackson (and a really good likeness to boot). While I still wouldn't play it, the game was immediately redeemed in my eyes.

One batch of cumber coming up
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The Michael Jackson is truly uncanny
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When this game has an American release I may just try it out just for the character creator.

That

MMOs aren't my bag, but I'd play this just for the character creation. Is it a premium game with subscriptions or f2p with microtransactions?

Ragsnstitches:
MMOs aren't my bag, but I'd play this just for the character creation. Is it a premium game with subscriptions or f2p with microtransactions?

Its a pay to play with cosmetics for cash.. kinda like guild wars 2 or the secret world nowadays.

However:

If you want to stand out you more likely then not will have to purchase customes from the cash shop

I looked at the official website (I think) & they didn't show anything like this.

But even seeing this doesn't get me excited for an MMO that isn't ESO.

The "Waifu" & "Hideous" are still too human for my liking.

RatGouf:
I looked at the official website (I think) & they didn't show anything like this.

But even seeing this doesn't get me excited for an MMO that isn't ESO.

The "Waifu" & "Hideous" are still too human for my liking.

Black Desert has a lot of diversity in species. They currently have Human, Pointy Ear Human, and Tall Human. If that isn't enough, they're already working on Short Human and Really short Human.

RJ 17:
Soooooo it's basically the exact same as TERA, Blade and Soul, and every other Korean-made MMO?

nah, TERA and BnS have reasons to play past 'bewbs' Black Desert is just 'pretty'. It's got no story to follow so far and while the combat system is rather deep, again, so far, I've not had a reason to really learn what skill is good for what. Blade and Soul for example, will start beating your ass if you don't pick up whats good for what and when before the end of the 1-20 zone.

Especially if you rolled a KFM

I am weird to say I find more appealing the "ugly" character than the Elf? 100 times I would select this one.

Lunar Templar:

RJ 17:
Soooooo it's basically the exact same as TERA, Blade and Soul, and every other Korean-made MMO?

Especially if you rolled a KFM

Yeah, but who rolls a Kung Fu Master? They can't even be Lyn! Warlocks and Force Masters are much more fun.

infohippie:

Lunar Templar:

RJ 17:
Soooooo it's basically the exact same as TERA, Blade and Soul, and every other Korean-made MMO?

Especially if you rolled a KFM

Yeah, but who rolls a Kung Fu Master? They can't even be Lyn! Warlocks and Force Masters are much more fun.

I did!

she's a Gon, and my main to.

sides, I has 2 Lyn a Force Master and Lyn Blade. They are adorable, and not in that creepy pedo way the Elin are.

Cool, I have two Lyn and two Jin myself: force master, blade master, summoner, and warlock. It's pretty fun!

Not sure I agree about Tera's Elins, of which I have four myself. Yes, they can be pretty sexualised, but I can't see them as children or even particularly child-like. There are actual children in the game in some towns and they look nothing at all like an Elin. I think people are way too quick to label anything small with cute aspects as "child-like". Elins are more a type of faerie than anything.

i was thinking about trying it then saw USD maybe not

Objectable:

Karadalis:
If only the game had more interesting and NOT gender/age/weapon locked classes

aaaannnnnddd there goes any interest I had in the game.
Any MMO or game with a character creator that gender locks it's classes is automatic no in my book.

But it's not really gender locked as it seems. The Ranger is the female to the male Archer. The Warrior is the male to the female Valkyrie. And the Witch is the female to the Warlock male. Each has a counter balance class name split for the sake of the lore of the game.

Lunar Templar:

infohippie:

Lunar Templar:

Especially if you rolled a KFM

Yeah, but who rolls a Kung Fu Master? They can't even be Lyn! Warlocks and Force Masters are much more fun.

I did!

she's a Gon, and my main to.

sides, I has 2 Lyn a Force Master and Lyn Blade. They are adorable, and not in that creepy pedo way the Elin are.

Sorry, but I totally disagree. Lyn are totally loli and shota material. They're right up there under the pedo type. Sure they're more clothed than the TERA tiny race, but they're along the same lines of exposure. The only ones not barking up that tree are the ones with the old-man face like the Master of the temple in the first tutorial area.

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Deathfish15:

Objectable:

Karadalis:
If only the game had more interesting and NOT gender/age/weapon locked classes

aaaannnnnddd there goes any interest I had in the game.
Any MMO or game with a character creator that gender locks it's classes is automatic no in my book.

But it's not really gender locked as it seems. The Ranger is the female to the male Archer. The Warrior is the male to the female Valkyrie. And the Witch is the female to the Warlock male. Each has a counter balance class name split for the sake of the lore of the game.

Aside from Witch/Warlock they have different abilities though. Warrior is dps I think while Valkyrie is more Paladin, etc ...

Deathfish15:

Sorry, but I totally disagree. Lyn are totally loli and shota material. They're right up there under the pedo type. Sure they're more clothed than the TERA tiny race, but they're along the same lines of exposure. The only ones not barking up that tree are the ones with the old-man face like the Master of the temple in the first tutorial area.

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Except (a) they're NOT children, (b) they look nothing like children, and (c) just because some design is small and cute doesn't make it a child or intended to represent one. If someone automatically jumps to the conclusion that a small cute character is always a child, then maybe they're the one with the issues.

BDO is Buy to play like Gw2 not pay to play as someone above claimed, and so far over the week its been available in the west it's more than earned back the price i paid just with the amount of fun things you can do beyond the usual kill stuff to lvl up grind..it's like how Archeage should have been made and fully converted a guy who until around 10 days ago hated the game with a passion until i took the time to watch the numerous youtube videos folks have made that explain the many layers the game has.

I am totally on board with the whole gender/weapon/racelock problem of Korean MMOs but I am giving Black Desert a pass for one reason only: it's actually interesting and fun to play. Plus, if you think of it as more like a game with 4 classes, and each class is divided between a male/female version it kinda makes more sense (except of course when it totally doesn't).

People on the fence, if you can get a week pass to try it check it out....you will be pleasantly surprised at the depth and scope of Black Desert. It's doing stuff I've never seen a Korean MMO do before, and doing it well. Except for the gender/race /class restriction thing. Oh well.

Karadalis:
I mean what fun is it that your class is tied down to a single weapon type? Never got the whole class/genderlock stuff and why its so prominent in asian mmos.

A lot of their entertainment follows these locked down tropes. Kinda like in Japanese anime, mangas and dating sim/visual novels all have the same stereotypical characters. I suspect they do it, because it's easy to churn out lots of product if they don't do anything original.

Anyone know if it's available in the UK? The website only shows prices in euros, and I'm hesitant to spend money if it's going to turn around and say "Oh no, the game's not available in your region yet." Or indeed be only able to play a social game without anyone speaking my language.

infohippie:
Except (a) they're NOT children, (b) they look nothing like children, and (c) just because some design is small and cute doesn't make it a child or intended to represent one.

Maybe in this particular setting, but they do look a lot like representations of children you'd find in other media, so you can see why people would think they are. To me that picture looks like it's for some sort of whimsical children's adventure, not some sort of (not real) kiddie porn, but yeah, if I look at that, I see a representation of children, because there are specific things about the proportions of those characters that fit a child. A stylised child, but a child nonetheless.

Caramel Frappe:
It quite odd ... how the players can be hideous monsters male wise, but if they go female- they're kind of compelled to make them appear beautiful (least I am). Then again it depends on how you made them and why you made them appear as such.

It's not a crime obviously, but an interesting habit people tend to make when creating female characters.
Unless you're playing Saints Row than suddenly gender does not qualify for the crap you can make lol.

When people make male characters they usually want them to be masculine and dominant, even threatening.

When they make a woman they want her to be either cute n childish(wow gnomes or many of the asian loli races out there) or attractive and powerfull...(again like WoW elfes or any of the "evil" but highly attractive and bondage gear wearing) kinda what you would expect from a noblewoman in a fantasy setting.

Its what we are used to and what we like i guess. So ofcourse they give you these options.

I mean who wants to play a hero... that doesnt look the part? This is what escapism and enjoyment of fantasy games is all about right? Playing a badass instead of martin from accounting with a sword.

008Zulu:

Karadalis:
I mean what fun is it that your class is tied down to a single weapon type? Never got the whole class/genderlock stuff and why its so prominent in asian mmos.

A lot of their entertainment follows these locked down tropes. Kinda like in Japanese anime, mangas and dating sim/visual novels all have the same stereotypical characters. I suspect they do it, because it's easy to churn out lots of product if they don't do anything original.

It depresses me honestly - helped push me out of my japanophile phase when I realized they're recycling archetypes and plots. Now they have done it to my favorite Nintendo franchise. SIGH.

But cynicism aside, I gave BDO a pass... after about 20 hours into it from the first closed beta. Why? Sudden world pvp at level 30. Getting farmed by high level patrol parties when questing is archaic and NOT FUN. Yes, I could of waited for them to leave. Not so easy when there were more than one party actively hunting helpless lowbies. Call it WoW syndrome, but I prefer my pvp controlled or split from pve. You'll get griefers regardless of the system in place.

Game is gorgeous though, no denying that. I mean, Korean larger-scale MMORPGs typically tend to make it as pretty as possible. I have liked that there is so much to do.

Karadalis:

When people make male characters they usually want them to be masculine and dominant, even threatening.

When they make a woman they want her to be either cute n childish(wow gnomes or many of the asian loli races out there) or attractive and powerfull...(again like WoW elfes or any of the "evil" but highly attractive and bondage gear wearing) kinda what you would expect from a noblewoman in a fantasy setting.

Its what we are used to and what we like i guess. So ofcourse they give you these options.

I mean who wants to play a hero... that doesnt look the part? This is what escapism and enjoy

Ah, this reminds me of Nier's character design in the West and in the East. It is a reminder in video game form of the cultural differences and preferences.

Naturally Sound:
recycling archetypes and plots

I don't understand why there always has to be the one archtypical girl that is easily mistaken for a skankily dressed preteen girl. Now you can put in all the backstory about she is a million year old female hobbit all you want, doesn't detract from the creep factor.

I avoid gender locked class games, not for the lack of customisation (well there is that), but because without fail (so far), they have all been pvp centered pay to win games.

Weresquirrel:
Anyone know if it's available in the UK? The website only shows prices in euros, and I'm hesitant to spend money if it's going to turn around and say "Oh no, the game's not available in your region yet." Or indeed be only able to play a social game without anyone speaking my language.

for me it shows usd so i know its available where i am but because of the way the cnd is now I'd spend more
i think the best bet is to talk to them directly

Deathfish15:

Lunar Templar:

infohippie:

Yeah, but who rolls a Kung Fu Master? They can't even be Lyn! Warlocks and Force Masters are much more fun.

I did!

she's a Gon, and my main to.

sides, I has 2 Lyn a Force Master and Lyn Blade. They are adorable, and not in that creepy pedo way the Elin are.

Sorry, but I totally disagree. Lyn are totally loli and shota material. They're right up there under the pedo type. Sure they're more clothed than the TERA tiny race, but they're along the same lines of exposure. The only ones not barking up that tree are the ones with the old-man face like the Master of the temple in the first tutorial area.

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I have 2 Lyn, I know what they look like. Ijust don't feel like I should be on a watch list for rolling them like I do with the Elin.

Tony2077:

Weresquirrel:
Anyone know if it's available in the UK? The website only shows prices in euros, and I'm hesitant to spend money if it's going to turn around and say "Oh no, the game's not available in your region yet." Or indeed be only able to play a social game without anyone speaking my language.

for me it shows usd so i know its available where i am but because of the way the cnd is now I'd spend more
i think the best bet is to talk to them directly

I did a spot of investigating and found it was available in the UK. For anyone else curious, there's a list of territories here:

http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/786-territory-of-service-updated-13112015/

I've been playing on and off for a little while now, and I'm pretty impressed by what I've seen.

Weresquirrel:

Tony2077:

Weresquirrel:
Anyone know if it's available in the UK? The website only shows prices in euros, and I'm hesitant to spend money if it's going to turn around and say "Oh no, the game's not available in your region yet." Or indeed be only able to play a social game without anyone speaking my language.

for me it shows usd so i know its available where i am but because of the way the cnd is now I'd spend more
i think the best bet is to talk to them directly

I did a spot of investigating and found it was available in the UK. For anyone else curious, there's a list of territories here:

http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/786-territory-of-service-updated-13112015/

I've been playing on and off for a little while now, and I'm pretty impressed by what I've seen.

that's good now if only there was a place to buy it in cnd :)

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