Samurai Warriors 4 Empires Review - Too Much Stuff To Do

Samurai Warriors 4 Empires Review - Too Much Stuff To Do

Wait, how does my rice production effect troop morale again?

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Sounds like everything I expected, though if you're playing on normal, you're doing it wrong.

SW2: Empires was the best Empires game of all time (and one of my personal favorite games ever) and everything I have heard makes me so happy for next Tuesday.

SIDE NOTE: For all the anti-preorder people:

If you don't preorder niche games like this, the store may not stock them. Happens a lot in Portland, OR. I pre-ordered it, and it's gonna be a blast.

[quote="monkeymangler" post="6.935711.23557420"
If you don't preorder niche games like this, the store may not stock them. Happens a lot in Portland, OR.[/quote]

Weird to hear, since I've never had any trouble finding a Warriors game or any of my games in a town with like, 1% of the population of Portland.

Though these days, I usually just buy digital anyway.

Sounds like DW8E with all of its large amount of superfluous stuff that served no purpose other than to unnecessarily convolute things. After being largely disappointed with both DW8E and SW4 I don't have high hopes for this but I'm still getting it anyway. At the very least, this game should let me execute Takakage which is good enough for me.

ChupathingyX:
Sounds like DW8E with all of its large amount of superfluous stuff that served no purpose other than to unnecessarily convolute things. After being largely disappointed with both DW8E and SW4 I don't have high hopes for this but I'm still getting it anyway. At the very least, this game should let me execute Takakage which is good enough for me.

Pfft, DW8E was awesome! I loved having my games invaded by countless anime characters! Or characters named after anime characters, at least.

And of course who could forget Mike, the fabled warrior of legend?! :P

Seriously though, I would kill someone in front of their own mother for them to make an Orochi Empires game with the full cast from Warriors Orochi 3 Ultimate. o.o

Sounds like a typical copy-paste review of a Warriors game for people with copy-paste opinions of Warriors games. I miss Sterling.

monkeymangler:
Sounds like everything I expected, though if you're playing on normal, you're doing it wrong.

SW2: Empires was the best Empires game of all time (and one of my personal favorite games ever) and everything I have heard makes me so happy for next Tuesday.

SIDE NOTE: For all the anti-preorder people:

If you don't preorder niche games like this, the store may not stock them. Happens a lot in Portland, OR. I pre-ordered it, and it's gonna be a blast.

I like DW5E more, but SW2E is near similar quality as it. Also it depends on your area. Sometimes I think Gamestop near me just buys a copy or two knowing I will be picking it up without having to actually pre-order. Though Warriors games are more popular than people like to admit.

MyLifeIsAnRPG:

There's an option that determines whether or not female officers show up. Its oddest option I've ever seen.

"Would you like to deny the existence of females in power, for your power fantasy?? Well look no further! (or at all) We got that covered for ya. Nothing worse than an immersion-breaking woman in power, amirite guys?"

I wonder if that was a fan requested feature. If it's being a niche market would imply a dependence on fan-pleasing to stay in business unless they have some untold amassing fortune.

RJ 17:

Seriously though, I would kill someone in front of their own mother for them to make an Orochi Empires game with the full cast from Warriors Orochi 3 Ultimate. o.o

I vaguely recall one of the producers from Koei stating that they will not be making a game like that.

ChupathingyX:

RJ 17:

Seriously though, I would kill someone in front of their own mother for them to make an Orochi Empires game with the full cast from Warriors Orochi 3 Ultimate. o.o

I vaguely recall one of the producers from Koei stating that they will not be making a game like that.

Oh I know they'll likely never make a game like that as there's no real set timeline and generals' loyalties are dependent upon which game you're playing. As such they couldn't setup a number of different scenarios the way they traditionally do with Empires spin-offs.

.........just saying that's my absolute fantasy Warriors game. :3

Empires has always been my favorite aspect of the Warriors franchises because I grew up playing the Romance of the Three Kingdom strategy games, as such I really like the strategy aspect of the Empires series. With the Orochi franchise being my favorite from all the Warriors games (Come on, it's a cross-over with ALL the characters and 3 even brings in guest characters!), it's only natural that my dream game would be Orochi Empires. :P

Ryu, Fuma, and Lu Bu = BEST TEAM EVAR!

RJ 17:

ChupathingyX:

RJ 17:

Seriously though, I would kill someone in front of their own mother for them to make an Orochi Empires game with the full cast from Warriors Orochi 3 Ultimate. o.o

I vaguely recall one of the producers from Koei stating that they will not be making a game like that.

Oh I know they'll likely never make a game like that as there's no real set timeline and generals' loyalties are dependent upon which game you're playing. As such they couldn't setup a number of different scenarios the way they traditionally do with Empires spin-offs.

.........just saying that's my absolute fantasy Warriors game. :3

Empires has always been my favorite aspect of the Warriors franchises because I grew up playing the Romance of the Three Kingdom strategy games, as such I really like the strategy aspect of the Empires series. With the Orochi franchise being my favorite from all the Warriors games (Come on, it's a cross-over with ALL the characters and 3 even brings in guest characters!), it's only natural that my dream game would be Orochi Empires. :P

Ryu, Fuma, and Lu Bu = BEST TEAM EVAR!

I see your team and raise you Wang Yi, Sterkenberg, and Kyubi. Wang Yi is an absolute officer killing machine, Sterk's musou might be one of the most awesome ever and his X-6 does massive work, and the freaking fox is an unkillable god.

Something Amyss:
[quote="monkeymangler" post="6.935711.23557420"
If you don't preorder niche games like this, the store may not stock them. Happens a lot in Portland, OR.[/quote]

Weird to hear, since I've never had any trouble finding a Warriors game or any of my games in a town with like, 1% of the population of Portland.

Though these days, I usually just buy digital anyway.

Yeah, it happened with Sengoku Basara 3's English release and with Warriors Orochi 3 Ultimate.

monkeymangler:
I see your team and raise you Wang Yi, Sterkenberg, and Kyubi. Wang Yi is an absolute officer killing machine, Sterk's musou might be one of the most awesome ever and his X-6 does massive work, and the freaking fox is an unkillable god.

Yeah, I don't count Orochi, Shin-Orochi, or Kyubi considering how hilariously overpowered. Hell, that team right there would be unstoppable! :P

As for musou's, I've always liked Joan's. It doesn't look like much, but god damn...whenever the little animation ends EVERYTHING around her dies.

Here's the real question though: do you play with "standard" weapon stats or do you go for God Mode? And by that I mean slapping Brilliance onto any given weapon. :3

RJ 17:

monkeymangler:
I see your team and raise you Wang Yi, Sterkenberg, and Kyubi. Wang Yi is an absolute officer killing machine, Sterk's musou might be one of the most awesome ever and his X-6 does massive work, and the freaking fox is an unkillable god.

Yeah, I don't count Orochi, Shin-Orochi, or Kyubi considering how hilariously overpowered. Hell, that team right there would be unstoppable! :P

As for musou's, I've always liked Joan's. It doesn't look like much, but god damn...whenever the little animation ends EVERYTHING around her dies.

Here's the real question though: do you play with "standard" weapon stats or do you go for God Mode? And by that I mean slapping Brilliance onto any given weapon. :3

I go by GameFAQs rules, so no Brilliance or the other all attribute skill, and no super dungeon weapons.

If I can't use Kyubi, I'll happily sub in Ginchiyo Tachibana. That X-7 does hilarious levels of work.

Xsjadoblayde:

MyLifeIsAnRPG:

There's an option that determines whether or not female officers show up. Its oddest option I've ever seen.

"Would you like to deny the existence of females in power, for your power fantasy?? Well look no further! (or at all) We got that covered for ya. Nothing worse than an immersion-breaking woman in power, amirite guys?"

I wonder if that was a fan requested feature. If it's being a niche market would imply a dependence on fan-pleasing to stay in business unless they have some untold amassing fortune.

It's a hold over from their grand strategy titles. Koie was originally known for their historical grand strategies set in Three Kingdoms China and Sengoku Jidai Japan, and the Warriors series are spinoffs of those games. The grand strategies were actually grounded in reality, so all of the officers and rulers were male, as they were in real life in those periods and places. Then the option for females to take a full part in the game and be treated the same as the males was added later.

... In other words you have it exactly backwards. The existence of powerful females was an a-historical feature added to the games to please the fans.

In this game I can actually understand why people might want to turn it off. If the appeal of the game is running around fighting in armies with all the famous legendary warriors of the Sengoku Jidai, well, the women weren't among them. In fact several of the female characters in this game were outright invented by Koie, and the few historical ones were usually uninvolved with any fighting.

OT: I always feel like these Empires game come so close to being something really amazingly cool, but are just that bit too shallow to really make it. I enjoyed Dynasty Warriors 8: Empires, but it was just so easy, even on the hardest difficulties. I don't want to pick this one up if it's basically the same but in Japan...

monkeymangler:

RJ 17:

monkeymangler:
I see your team and raise you Wang Yi, Sterkenberg, and Kyubi. Wang Yi is an absolute officer killing machine, Sterk's musou might be one of the most awesome ever and his X-6 does massive work, and the freaking fox is an unkillable god.

Yeah, I don't count Orochi, Shin-Orochi, or Kyubi considering how hilariously overpowered. Hell, that team right there would be unstoppable! :P

As for musou's, I've always liked Joan's. It doesn't look like much, but god damn...whenever the little animation ends EVERYTHING around her dies.

Here's the real question though: do you play with "standard" weapon stats or do you go for God Mode? And by that I mean slapping Brilliance onto any given weapon. :3

I go by GameFAQs rules, so no Brilliance or the other all attribute skill, and no super dungeon weapons.

If I can't use Kyubi, I'll happily sub in Ginchiyo Tachibana. That X-7 does hilarious levels of work.

Ginchiyo's always been a favorite of mine, too.

I was thrilled when they added Kasumi to the roster for WO:Ultimate since she's my DoA main. And while I can definitely do good with her, she's a bit too squishy and can be tricky to use effectively.

Another favorite team of mine is Lu Bu, Honda, and...I forget the other guy's name, he's the dude that has a cute little fox with him and attacks with magical paper figures.. I call them the Lawn Mowers because...well...they mow through the enemy. *drum rimshot*

Lunncal:

Xsjadoblayde:

MyLifeIsAnRPG:

There's an option that determines whether or not female officers show up. Its oddest option I've ever seen.

"Would you like to deny the existence of females in power, for your power fantasy?? Well look no further! (or at all) We got that covered for ya. Nothing worse than an immersion-breaking woman in power, amirite guys?"

I wonder if that was a fan requested feature. If it's being a niche market would imply a dependence on fan-pleasing to stay in business unless they have some untold amassing fortune.

It's a hold over from their grand strategy titles. Koie was originally known for their historical grand strategies set in Three Kingdoms China and Sengoku Jidai Japan, and the Warriors series are spinoffs of those games. The grand strategies were actually grounded in reality, so all of the officers and rulers were male, as they were in real life in those periods and places. Then the option for females take a full part in the game and be treated the same as the males was added later.

... In other words you have it exactly backwards. The existence of powerful females was an a-historical feature added to the games to please the fans.

OT: I always feel like these Empires game come so close to being something really amazingly cool, but are just that bit too shallow to really make it. I enjoyed Dynasty Warriors 8: Empires, but it was just so easy, even on the hardest difficulties. I don't want to pick this one up if it's basically the same but in Japan...

Well, in Japan during the Sengoku period, both Li Naotora and Ginchiyo Tachibana actively fought in battles, with Ginchiyo being a female daimyo for a short time after her father's death and before she married.

DW8:Empires was way too easy and way too lazy, but everything strategy wise in SW4: Empires looks a lot better. That said, playing on Hard may not be enough considering how powerful musou burst is.

RJ 17:

monkeymangler:

RJ 17:
Yeah, I don't count Orochi, Shin-Orochi, or Kyubi considering how hilariously overpowered. Hell, that team right there would be unstoppable! :P

As for musou's, I've always liked Joan's. It doesn't look like much, but god damn...whenever the little animation ends EVERYTHING around her dies.

Here's the real question though: do you play with "standard" weapon stats or do you go for God Mode? And by that I mean slapping Brilliance onto any given weapon. :3

I go by GameFAQs rules, so no Brilliance or the other all attribute skill, and no super dungeon weapons.

If I can't use Kyubi, I'll happily sub in Ginchiyo Tachibana. That X-7 does hilarious levels of work.

Ginchiyo's always been a favorite of mine, too.

I was thrilled when they added Kasumi to the roster for WO:Ultimate since she's my DoA main. And while I can definitely do good with her, she's a bit too squishy and can be tricky to use effectively.

Another favorite team of mine is Lu Bu, Honda, and...I forget the other guy's name, he's the dude that has a cute little fox with him and attacks with magical paper figures.. I call them the Lawn Mowers because...well...they mow through the enemy. *drum rimshot*

Seimei Abe. Never been a huge fan of his moveset. I like Kasumi (though I'm a Christie main in DoA), but her sweeping attacks cause me to whiff more times than I would like.

My secondary team has been Nobunaga Oda (because his true musou clears out entire sections and serves as an effective "screw this" button), Zhong Hui (That musou build rate is awesome on his X-0) and Nezha (Human) as a strictly superior Sanada Yukimura.

I have to say, this is a two-fer when it comes to firsts for me. Not only is a Warriors game being said to have lots and lots to do, but it's being construed as an issue with it! 'Nobody has time to read a manual' my butt! Hopefully this gets a nice sale sometime soon once everybody doesn't buy the DLC.

...Who am I kidding?...

monkeymangler:

Lunncal:
-snip-

Well, in Japan during the Sengoku period, both Li Naotora and Ginchiyo Tachibana actively fought in battles, with Ginchiyo being a female daimyo for a short time after her father's death and before she married.

Huh, cool, I had no idea. That sounds really interesting and I just tried looking it up, but for some annoying reason Google and Wikipedia seem to have almost no information on them at all. Where did you find that out?

DW8:Empires was way too easy and way too lazy, but everything strategy wise in SW4: Empires looks a lot better. That said, playing on Hard may not be enough considering how powerful musou burst is.

Yeah, that was kind of the big problem for me with DW8:E... Even if the strategy elements were brilliant and complex (which they weren't), it doesn't matter if you can easily just fight the entire world in single combat and win without it. Considering Samurai Warriors 8, I'd expect that to be the case here, too. None of the enemies in that game seemed able to put up the slightest bit of challenge to the player at all.

Still, I'm holding on to some hope. Guess I'll just have to see when it comes out.

Lunncal:

monkeymangler:

Lunncal:
-snip-

Well, in Japan during the Sengoku period, both Li Naotora and Ginchiyo Tachibana actively fought in battles, with Ginchiyo being a female daimyo for a short time after her father's death and before she married.

Huh, cool, I had no idea. That sounds really interesting and I just tried looking it up, but for some annoying reason Google and Wikipedia seem to have almost no information on them at all. Where did you find that out?

DW8:Empires was way too easy and way too lazy, but everything strategy wise in SW4: Empires looks a lot better. That said, playing on Hard may not be enough considering how powerful musou burst is.

Yeah, that was kind of the big problem for me with DW8:E... Even if the strategy elements were brilliant and complex (which they weren't), it doesn't matter if you can easily just fight the entire world in single combat and win without it. Considering Samurai Warriors 8, I'd expect that to be the case here, too. None of the enemies in that game seemed able to put up the slightest bit of challenge to the player at all.

Still, I'm holding on to some hope. Guess I'll just have to see when it comes out.

Tachibana Ginchiyo (立花 誾千代?, September 23, 1569 - November 30, 1602) was head of the Japanese Tachibana clan during the Sengoku Period. She was the daughter of Tachibana Dōsetsu, a powerful retainer of the Ōtomo clan (which were rivals of the Shimazu clan at the time). Because Dosetsu had no sons, he requested that Ginchiyo be made family head after his death. About five years later, Ginchiyo was married to Tachibana Muneshige, who carried on Dōsetsu's family line.

She then participated in the Kyushu Suppression campaign serving under Hideyoshi Toyotomi where she met her future husband.

Both from wikipedia, though no sources cited for either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachibana_Ginchiyo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachibana_clan_%28samurai%29

monkeymangler:

Lunncal:
-snip-

Tachibana Ginchiyo (立花 誾千代?, September 23, 1569 ? November 30, 1602) was head of the Japanese Tachibana clan during the Sengoku Period. She was the daughter of Tachibana Dōsetsu, a powerful retainer of the Ōtomo clan (which were rivals of the Shimazu clan at the time). Because Dosetsu had no sons, he requested that Ginchiyo be made family head after his death. About five years later, Ginchiyo was married to Tachibana Muneshige, who carried on Dōsetsu's family line.

She then participated in the Kyushu Suppression campaign serving under Hideyoshi Toyotomi where she met her future husband.

Both from wikipedia, though no sources cited for either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachibana_Ginchiyo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachibana_clan_%28samurai%29

That's weird... Following that link, mine just says this:

The line about her participating in the Kyushu Suppression campaign is completely missing. What the hell, wikipedia? Is this some kind of really weird regional difference? Why just that one sentence?

I realise I'm now seriously off-topic here, but what the fuck?

If I played a lot of SW4, is it still worth getting this?

Lunncal:

monkeymangler:

Lunncal:
-snip-

Tachibana Ginchiyo (立花 誾千代?, September 23, 1569 ? November 30, 1602) was head of the Japanese Tachibana clan during the Sengoku Period. She was the daughter of Tachibana Dōsetsu, a powerful retainer of the Ōtomo clan (which were rivals of the Shimazu clan at the time). Because Dosetsu had no sons, he requested that Ginchiyo be made family head after his death. About five years later, Ginchiyo was married to Tachibana Muneshige, who carried on Dōsetsu's family line.

She then participated in the Kyushu Suppression campaign serving under Hideyoshi Toyotomi where she met her future husband.

Both from wikipedia, though no sources cited for either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachibana_Ginchiyo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachibana_clan_%28samurai%29

That's weird... Following that link, mine just says this:

The line about her participating in the Kyushu Suppression campaign is completely missing. What the hell, wikipedia? Is this some kind of really weird regional difference? Why just that one sentence?

I realise I'm now seriously off-topic here, but what the fuck?

Follow the Tachibana Samurai link. It doesn't mention her on the battlefield, but she represented the Tachibana clan on the field (which is where the two links disagree). Hard to find full evidence she fought from non-Japanese sources, but the claim is likely based on historical records.

Richard Gozin-Yu:
If I played a lot of SW4, is it still worth getting this?

The general gameplay is the same, but the overall mode is much different. Think Civilization, where you have to manage your army's relationships, food, and morale and select how you will attack the other clans in a quest to unify Japan. A lot of micromanaging and planning compared to just slaughtering peons.

monkeymangler:

Richard Gozin-Yu:
If I played a lot of SW4, is it still worth getting this?

The general gameplay is the same, but the overall mode is much different. Think Civilization, where you have to manage your army's relationships, food, and morale and select how you will attack the other clans in a quest to unify Japan. A lot of micromanaging and planning compared to just slaughtering peons.

I'm not sure what this says about me, but I could feel my eyes lighting up at your description. Thanks.

monkeymangler:

Lunncal:
-snip-

Follow the Tachibana Samurai link. It doesn't mention her on the battlefield, but she represented the Tachibana clan on the field (which is where the two links disagree). Hard to find full evidence she fought from non-Japanese sources, but the claim is likely based on historical records.

It's not in the second link for me either. The only mention of her at all is here:

Very strange. There must be some kind of regional differences between the pages going on here, but why it'd specifically exclude her representing her clan on the field I don't know.

Richard Gozin-Yu:

monkeymangler:

Richard Gozin-Yu:
If I played a lot of SW4, is it still worth getting this?

The general gameplay is the same, but the overall mode is much different. Think Civilization, where you have to manage your army's relationships, food, and morale and select how you will attack the other clans in a quest to unify Japan. A lot of micromanaging and planning compared to just slaughtering peons.

I'm not sure what this says about me, but I could feel my eyes lighting up at your description. Thanks.

One of my favorite aspects of the more recent Empires games (don't know if this is in SW:Empires, I know it's been in the last few DW:Empires) is the ability to simply play as an officer. Dunno why I enjoy it so much, I just like "RPing", for lack of a better term, of serving as a loyal retainer under a lord, trying to make someone else's dream of unifying the land a reality rather than striving for it myself.

.......that is, of course, until a rival faction sends you a secret letter saying that you'll be richly rewarded if you switch sides during the next battle....

I remember the first time I played an Empires game that let me defect in mid-battle I needed to change my boxers. :3

RJ 17:

Richard Gozin-Yu:

monkeymangler:

The general gameplay is the same, but the overall mode is much different. Think Civilization, where you have to manage your army's relationships, food, and morale and select how you will attack the other clans in a quest to unify Japan. A lot of micromanaging and planning compared to just slaughtering peons.

I'm not sure what this says about me, but I could feel my eyes lighting up at your description. Thanks.

One of my favorite aspects of the more recent Empires games (don't know if this is in SW:Empires, I know it's been in the last few DW:Empires) is the ability to simply play as an officer. Dunno why I enjoy it so much, I just like "RPing", for lack of a better term, of serving as a loyal retainer under a lord, trying to make someone else's dream of unifying the land a reality rather than striving for it myself.

.......that is, of course, until a rival faction sends you a secret letter saying that you'll be richly rewarded if you switch sides during the next battle....

I remember the first time I played an Empires game that let me defect in mid-battle I needed to change my boxers. :3

I get it too, it's a fun way to play a game. It's the best part of a good pen and paper, or board game like Risk, without losing friends over it. >:)

RJ 17:

Richard Gozin-Yu:

monkeymangler:

The general gameplay is the same, but the overall mode is much different. Think Civilization, where you have to manage your army's relationships, food, and morale and select how you will attack the other clans in a quest to unify Japan. A lot of micromanaging and planning compared to just slaughtering peons.

I'm not sure what this says about me, but I could feel my eyes lighting up at your description. Thanks.

One of my favorite aspects of the more recent Empires games (don't know if this is in SW:Empires, I know it's been in the last few DW:Empires) is the ability to simply play as an officer. Dunno why I enjoy it so much, I just like "RPing", for lack of a better term, of serving as a loyal retainer under a lord, trying to make someone else's dream of unifying the land a reality rather than striving for it myself.

.......that is, of course, until a rival faction sends you a secret letter saying that you'll be richly rewarded if you switch sides during the next battle....

I remember the first time I played an Empires game that let me defect in mid-battle I needed to change my boxers. :3

Back in Samurai Warriors 2, I took over a southern section of the map and captured Oichi, who agreed to loyally serve me rather than be executed. Next battle against her husband? She betrays me mid-battle and nearly gets my forces wiped out. Captured her after the battle and cut her head off. The next six months are constant attacks from Nagamasa as he rages to try and avenge his wife.

This is why I love the Empires games.

monkeymangler:

Well, in Japan during the Sengoku period, both Li Naotora and Ginchiyo Tachibana actively fought in battles, with Ginchiyo being a female daimyo for a short time after her father's death and before she married.

Lunncal:

I realise I'm now seriously off-topic here, but what the fuck?

It's Ii, not Li.

Also, they were heads of their respective clans, but that doesn't necessarily mean they actively fought in battles. Also bear in mind that there's a heavy amount of romanticism stemming from that period, so tales of people fighting in battles can sometimes be blown out of proportion.

ChupathingyX:

monkeymangler:

Well, in Japan during the Sengoku period, both Li Naotora and Ginchiyo Tachibana actively fought in battles, with Ginchiyo being a female daimyo for a short time after her father's death and before she married.

Lunncal:

I realise I'm now seriously off-topic here, but what the fuck?

It's Ii, not Li.

Also, they were heads of their respective clans, but that doesn't necessarily mean they actively fought in battles. Also bear in mind that there's a heavy amount of romanticism stemming from that period, so tales of people fighting in battles can sometimes be blown out of proportion.

Yeah, I highly doubt Honda Tadakatsu went his whole career without getting wounded. That said:

https://books.google.com/books?id=oGvKpxC-4kcC&pg=PA50&lpg=PA50&dq=Did+Ginchiyo+Tachibana+fight+in+battle?&source=bl&ots=AyBGfOg05m&sig=NQRXvZwATVo_p0g3Xk4ipmPnYEc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjnoezKgLrLAhUC6WMKHY-qCdo4ChDoAQghMAE#v=onepage&q=Did%20Ginchiyo%20Tachibana%20fight%20in%20battle%3F&f=false

While evidence of her fighting during the Kyushu campaign is scarce, we do have the story of Ginchiyo leading Buddhist monks in battle against the advance of Kato Kiyomasa. This was several years after she became head of the clan and supposedly participated in battle before marrying Muneshige.

monkeymangler:

Yeah, I highly doubt Honda Tadakatsu went his whole career without getting wounded. That said:

https://books.google.com/books?id=oGvKpxC-4kcC&pg=PA50&lpg=PA50&dq=Did+Ginchiyo+Tachibana+fight+in+battle?&source=bl&ots=AyBGfOg05m&sig=NQRXvZwATVo_p0g3Xk4ipmPnYEc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjnoezKgLrLAhUC6WMKHY-qCdo4ChDoAQghMAE#v=onepage&q=Did%20Ginchiyo%20Tachibana%20fight%20in%20battle%3F&f=false

While evidence of her fighting during the Kyushu campaign is scarce, we do have the story of Ginchiyo leading Buddhist monks in battle against the advance of Kato Kiyomasa. This was several years after she became head of the clan and supposedly participated in battle before marrying Muneshige.

I don't doubt that females took part in battles (mostly defensive ones), but based on what information we have (which is very barebones as you said), it's hard to really ascertain just how involved they were, unfortunately.

ChupathingyX:

monkeymangler:

Well, in Japan during the Sengoku period, both Li Naotora and Ginchiyo Tachibana actively fought in battles, with Ginchiyo being a female daimyo for a short time after her father's death and before she married.

Lunncal:

I realise I'm now seriously off-topic here, but what the fuck?

It's Ii, not Li.

Also, they were heads of their respective clans, but that doesn't necessarily mean they actively fought in battles. Also bear in mind that there's a heavy amount of romanticism stemming from that period, so tales of people fighting in battles can sometimes be blown out of proportion.

You mean to tell me Nobunaga didn't literally fly around the battlefield like a hellspawn wielding a sword engulfed in black flames? Awwwww.... :(

monkeymangler:

RJ 17:

Richard Gozin-Yu:

I'm not sure what this says about me, but I could feel my eyes lighting up at your description. Thanks.

One of my favorite aspects of the more recent Empires games (don't know if this is in SW:Empires, I know it's been in the last few DW:Empires) is the ability to simply play as an officer. Dunno why I enjoy it so much, I just like "RPing", for lack of a better term, of serving as a loyal retainer under a lord, trying to make someone else's dream of unifying the land a reality rather than striving for it myself.

.......that is, of course, until a rival faction sends you a secret letter saying that you'll be richly rewarded if you switch sides during the next battle....

I remember the first time I played an Empires game that let me defect in mid-battle I needed to change my boxers. :3

Back in Samurai Warriors 2, I took over a southern section of the map and captured Oichi, who agreed to loyally serve me rather than be executed. Next battle against her husband? She betrays me mid-battle and nearly gets my forces wiped out. Captured her after the battle and cut her head off. The next six months are constant attacks from Nagamasa as he rages to try and avenge his wife.

This is why I love the Empires games.

Things like that are why I have an Execute-On-Capture decree for Diao Chan. I forget which game it was - might have been DW:E6 (on a side-note, I think I'm the only person who like DW6 and it's Empires :P) - but Diao Chan was a wandering officer who offered to join my kingdom. Woo-hoo! Free main-character general! A few turns later she decides to rebel and start her own kingdom. I lost a province and half my generals!

I don't fall for her charms anymore...I don't care how good of a dancer she is. Her head looks just as pretty on a pike as it does on her shoulders. :P

 

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