Miracles from Heaven - Heaven is Totally for Real, Too

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Miracles from Heaven - Heaven is Totally for Real, Too

Miracles from Heaven is Heaven is for Real, but with a sick child for 75% of its running time.

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Now...i don't want to force anybody to reveal their sources for their miracles, but don't they all allegedly come from heaven? Isn't heaven the sole provider of miracles? Or does hell get in on the action too?

Nevertheless, these "based on true story" paranormal films are more like officially vouching for Gary's drunken stories down the local pub. I know many people who buy into the "but it totally happened, so that makes this film automatically better 'cos i LOVE watching reality as it realistically unfolds in real-time really!" I get strong urges to slap the stupid out of them. The fact that i don't is a miracle in itself! Thanks, God! Or...whoever gots my back.

Affirm productions/films brought a chortle...that is almost self-satire. The fact that it isn't, only makes it all the more hilairious. Though really...believe in God or your children will die?? Bloody hell (pun originally not intended), that's a bit heavy, isn't it? Though, i guess if you're already christian, it doesn't matter so much since they're going to have a much happier time in that city in the sky. Father Comstock will look after them, unless they happen to not be white/American.

Ahh so preachiness is ok as long as it's against evil stock brokers in the big short but not when its Christians. This film is a genre film that is not designed for you in just the same way the the big short is genre film designed for you.

The problem with these films is that they confirm the existance of God, but only people who already believed in God watches them. As a result, intentional or not, it comes off as a circle jerk.

erttheking:
The problem with these films is that they confirm the existance of God, but only people who already believed in God watches them. As a result, intentional or not, it comes off as a circle jerk.

Preaching to the choir makes enough money to keep the yearly cycle going, sadly. The upside is that these films tend to be so incompetently shot and/or directed and/or written and/or acted that there's occasionally a fantastically bad one to look forward to on Midnight Screenings - along with the often entertaining anecdotes about who else was present in the theatre.

It always seem hypocritical to me that these kinds of religious folk want to talk constantly about having faith- but at the same time, welcome any and all "proof" to "affirm" their faith. Doesn't that defeat the whole point of having faith?

From a theological perspective, if someone "goes to heaven" and "talks to God and/or Jesus", they are prophets, which is a pretty big freaking deal. If a child had a fever dream in the middle ages and say they talked to God, their parents would tell them to shut the hell up about that, as claiming to be a prophet and being unable to prove it came with extremely serious consequences.

I suppose you could chalk it up to new-world willy-nilly fantastic Christianity, but it seems like these movies do less to actually inspire or "affirm" genuine faith, and do more to provide what they see as "evidence" of God and the Bible in the face of a lot of counter-evidence.

Marter:
A couple of years ago, a movie called Heaven is for Real was released.

Didn't the kid from that movie recant and say that it was all fake? Or was it the kid from the other shitty Christian movie that was almost identical? I know at least one of them recanted, possibly both.

And since the majority of the movie focuses on this, it's not all overwhelmingly bad. It even has decent production values!

See Marter, miracles are for real! This movie not being completely devoid of value proves it.

Xsjadoblayde:
Affirm productions/films brought a chortle...that is almost self-satire. The fact that it isn't, only makes it all the more hilairious. Though really...believe in God or your children will die?? Bloody hell (pun originally not intended), that's a bit heavy, isn't it? Though, i guess if you're already christian, it doesn't matter so much since they're going to have a much happier time in that city in the sky. Father Comstock will look after them, unless they happen to not be white/American.

Fundamentalists seeing LGBTQ people and athiests pay for their "transgressions" is the equivalant to gratuitous breast exposure for drunken dude bros, so of course they're going to have it.

hentropy:
It always seem hypocritical to me that these kinds of religious folk want to talk constantly about having faith- but at the same time, welcome any and all "proof" to "affirm" their faith. Doesn't that defeat the whole point of having faith?

Yes, yes it does. In fact, some people actually consider this sort of thing to be blasphemy.

One day, there's going to be a faith movie that my Mom and I can watch that we'll both like.

Not this day, though.

See, Christians pretty much have frikkin' Terrence Malick making films from their corner, so the rest of them should really up their game. Or sit in the corner with a dunce's hat on, thinking long and hard about what they've done.

And yeah, as has been mentioned, the title's a bit of a head scratcher. Miracles from heaven? As opposed to all the other miracles? And if there are other miracles, what makes one deity's better than the next? Do they have sizzle reels for their miracles? 'Cause I want to make an informed decision about this...

It kills the sick child of a non-believer, while saving the one from a believer, and then the father of the kid who died instantly believes the family's story and is now, himself, a believer - and his change of faith means that there's no way that anyone should question this story.

See, this sort of thing happens *all* the time in these Christian affirmation movies, and it bothers me far more than the preachiness, or cheesiness.

Really, it begs a very serious question of "Is this the kind of God that you want to follow?" One that kills the child of a non-believer to make some kind of petty point? How can anyone look at that as anything but abominable? It happened in "God's Not Real" too. The atheist professor (who was both a terrible philosophy professor *and* a major dick, to be fair) has his wife leave him at the end and *then* get fatally run over by a hit-and-run driver, leaving him to slowly die in the middle of the street, in the rain.

I dunno, using the God-induced deaths of unbelievers/people the Christians this movie is targeted at don't like as some kind of cheap prop just speaks to a very worrying worldview.

Also, as a side-note, why the hell does God only ever reveal miracles and visions of heaven to families who are already super-Christian? That's the most bass-ackwards way possible to do this sort of thing. God should be actively seeking out non-believers to perform miracles on to make them believers. All punishing unbelievers does is reaffirm the faith of those who already believes in you. It's the spiritual equivalent of a circlejerk. It doesn't actually convince anyone new to give your message any meaningful consideration.

erttheking:
The problem with these films is that they confirm the existance of God, but only people who already believed in God watches them. As a result, intentional or not, it comes off as a circle jerk.

The problem with religion or atheism in movies and tv is that there is a god in movies and tv, its the director.

hentropy:
It always seem hypocritical to me that these kinds of religious folk want to talk constantly about having faith- but at the same time, welcome any and all "proof" to "affirm" their faith. Doesn't that defeat the whole point of having faith?

From a theological perspective, if someone "goes to heaven" and "talks to God and/or Jesus", they are prophets, which is a pretty big freaking deal. If a child had a fever dream in the middle ages and say they talked to God, their parents would tell them to shut the hell up about that, as claiming to be a prophet and being unable to prove it came with extremely serious consequences.

I suppose you could chalk it up to new-world willy-nilly fantastic Christianity, but it seems like these movies do less to actually inspire or "affirm" genuine faith, and do more to provide what they see as "evidence" of God and the Bible in the face of a lot of counter-evidence.

It's especially funny because the era of prophecy has ended according to Christian tradition. Oh, and Islam as well but that's beside the point. There was even an added bonus of 'and if anyone says otherwise, they're an asshat'.

Which makes me head-desk whenever someone either takes Revelations literally or, like here, say that they talked to god and have commandments from them. Which, you have noted is a BIG FREAKING DEAL. It's part of a weird strain of modern evangelism that seeks justifications instead of actually paying attention to the lessons.

Xsjadoblayde:
Now...i don't want to force anybody to reveal their sources for their miracles, but don't they all allegedly come from heaven? Isn't heaven the sole provider of miracles? Or does hell get in on the action.

I always figured Satan was like a second rate loan shark. You can get a miracle from heaven if your a decent Christian, and then pay it back with a lifetime of faith and proscelatizing. If your a filthy sodomite, however, and your soul-credit sucks, then you'll have to get a back alley loan from old Lucy. Which is all well and good, but I heard the interest is soul crushing.

As a side note, Jennifer Garner's career post-Alias hasn't been what anyone might call remarkable.

rcs619:
I dunno, using the God-induced deaths of unbelievers/people the Christians this movie is targeted at don't like as some kind of cheap prop just speaks to a very worrying worldview.

No one finds it more worrying than the average Christian. Even people I know who liked God's Not Dead were irritated by "offing the atheist".

lacktheknack:
No one finds it more worrying than the average Christian. Even people I know who liked God's Not Dead were irritated by "offing the atheist".

Just wait until the sequel, when an evil atheist takes the good Christian woman to court over her saying the "Golden Rule" in answer to a student's question.

TWO WEEKS, LACK. TWO WEEKS!

Heaven is for Real was confirmed by the kid himself to be a hoax. He says he did it in the first place because he wanted to give people hope, even if he wasn't telling the truth. Sounds like some Life of Pi bullcrap.

And this is coming a very firm Christian too. lol

lacktheknack:
One day, there's going to be a faith movie that my Mom and I can watch that we'll both like.

Not this day, though.

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For you, man. :D

Albino Boo:
Ahh so preachiness is ok as long as it's against evil stock brokers in the big short but not when its Christians. This film is a genre film that is not designed for you in just the same way the the big short is genre film designed for you.

I feel like Christian genre films that encourage Christians is missing the point of a powerful tool of evangelicism.
It's a chance for Christianity to be accessible to people from outside The Church. But if the film is merely patting the back of existing believers, it's just going to alienate Agnostic or Atheist people. It will push them further away.

I think it risks exploiting people's faith to provide something that can be supplied in another way.

Why is it so hard to produce a good film that portrays what it is to be a Christian to the masses?

Worgen:

erttheking:
The problem with these films is that they confirm the existance of God, but only people who already believed in God watches them. As a result, intentional or not, it comes off as a circle jerk.

The problem with religion or atheism in movies and tv is that there is a god in movies and tv, it's the director.

It is true. You're watching the work of the creator. But unlike The Creator in The Bible and Christian, Jewish and Islamic belief, this creator is a flawed human who will communicate a biased world view.

scw55:

Albino Boo:
Ahh so preachiness is ok as long as it's against evil stock brokers in the big short but not when its Christians. This film is a genre film that is not designed for you in just the same way the the big short is genre film designed for you.

I feel like Christian genre films that encourage Christians is missing the point of a powerful tool of evangelicism.
It's a chance for Christianity to be accessible to people from outside The Church. But if the film is merely patting the back of existing believers, it's just going to alienate Agnostic or Atheist people. It will push them further away.

I think it risks exploiting people's faith to provide something that can be supplied in another way.

Why is it so hard to produce a good film that portrays what it is to be a Christian to the masses?

A film is there to make money by appealing to a target audience. Christian films are genre films in the same way western or kung fu films are. Each have their own conventions which the audience want to see.

Albino Boo:

scw55:

Albino Boo:
Ahh so preachiness is ok as long as it's against evil stock brokers in the big short but not when its Christians. This film is a genre film that is not designed for you in just the same way the the big short is genre film designed for you.

I feel like Christian genre films that encourage Christians is missing the point of a powerful tool of evangelicism.
It's a chance for Christianity to be accessible to people from outside The Church. But if the film is merely patting the back of existing believers, it's just going to alienate Agnostic or Atheist people. It will push them further away.

I think it risks exploiting people's faith to provide something that can be supplied in another way.

Why is it so hard to produce a good film that portrays what it is to be a Christian to the masses?

A film is there to make money by appealing to a target audience. Christian films are genre films in the same way western or kung fu films are. Each have their own conventions which the audience want to see.

It's monatising people's faith, which is an (bad) irony.

scw55:

Worgen:

erttheking:
The problem with these films is that they confirm the existance of God, but only people who already believed in God watches them. As a result, intentional or not, it comes off as a circle jerk.

The problem with religion or atheism in movies and tv is that there is a god in movies and tv, it's the director.

It is true. You're watching the work of the creator. But unlike The Creator in The Bible and Christian, Jewish and Islamic belief, this creator is a flawed human who will communicate a biased world view.

Even if you believe in such a thing the books were written by flawed humans so the books themselves cant be taken as flawless.

Marter:

lacktheknack:
No one finds it more worrying than the average Christian. Even people I know who liked God's Not Dead were irritated by "offing the atheist".

Just wait until the sequel, when an evil atheist takes the good Christian woman to court over her saying the "Golden Rule" in answer to a student's question.

TWO WEEKS, LACK. TWO WEEKS!

Please don't tell me that actually a thing that is occurring? And that's actually the plot? PLEASE?

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monkeymangler:
Please don't tell me that actually a thing that is occurring? And that's actually the plot? PLEASE?

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It's 100% a thing coming out on April 1st.

Marter:

monkeymangler:
Please don't tell me that actually a thing that is occurring? And that's actually the plot? PLEASE?

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It's 100% a thing coming out on April 1st.

That's depressing. And the Dick Dynasty folks are heavily involved. Shocker. Glad it's releasing on April Fool's Day. Monetizing people's faith and turning it into a blunt instrument to knock down strawmen is gross as hell.

lacktheknack:

rcs619:
I dunno, using the God-induced deaths of unbelievers/people the Christians this movie is targeted at don't like as some kind of cheap prop just speaks to a very worrying worldview.

No one finds it more worrying than the average Christian. Even people I know who liked God's Not Dead were irritated by "offing the atheist".

That's fair. It's definitely not an issue with all Christians so much as it is a particular brand of evangelical Christian. The kind of people who genuinely believe God is a wrathful God, and who enjoy the idea of atheists/other religions/unbelievers in general 'getting what they deserve.'

Basically, the kind of Christian that the Left Behind books were made for. That entire series is just one long, mean-spirited victory lap where God gives every kind of person the authors dislike 'what they deserve.' In the last book where Jesus comes back there's actually a scene where he walks knee-deep through the blood of his enemies (who had just previously been violently ripped to pieces by the power of his voice alone), and this is presented like a good, triumphant moment. It happens all over the world too. Literally every person with the mark of the beast is killed by Jesus, simultaneously in a fairly gory way.

I know they actually made one more book set in the 1000 year Kingdom too. Somehow, for some reason, a group of the Christians who survived the tribulation decide they don't want to follow Jesus and the revived King David that now rule Earth. So they not only rebel, but they somehow form an army even bigger than the one Jesus slaughtered at armageddon (which would be several million people strong), and decide to attack New Jerusalem with it. Jesus just kind of walks outside and casually burns them all to ash with his voice.

The Left Behind series is actually really fascinating for just how horrible it is. Not just the overall message, but the writing itself. It's a case-study in hack writing.

Worgen:

scw55:

Worgen:

The problem with religion or atheism in movies and tv is that there is a god in movies and tv, it's the director.

It is true. You're watching the work of the creator. But unlike The Creator in The Bible and Christian, Jewish and Islamic belief, this creator is a flawed human who will communicate a biased world view.

Even if you believe in such a thing the books were written by flawed humans so the books themselves cant be taken as flawless.

A friend who is a pastor said that the original Bible was written by people that God possessed and wrote with His divine hand. That opens a whole new set of creepy factors though. Plus the infinite amount of times the book has been translated.

monkeymangler:

Worgen:

scw55:

It is true. You're watching the work of the creator. But unlike The Creator in The Bible and Christian, Jewish and Islamic belief, this creator is a flawed human who will communicate a biased world view.

Even if you believe in such a thing the books were written by flawed humans so the books themselves cant be taken as flawless.

A friend who is a pastor said that the original Bible was written by people that God possessed and wrote with His divine hand. That opens a whole new set of creepy factors though. Plus the infinite amount of times the book has been translated.

Did he also do that for all the translations? Since I think the english translation is like 2 languages removed from the original. Plus, I would think god would want a layer of separation since some of it makes him? look like a dick.

scw55:

It's monatising people's faith, which is an (bad) irony.

Why is making a film that a Christians will enjoy any different from making a film that environmentalist will enjoy.

Marter:

monkeymangler:
Please don't tell me that actually a thing that is occurring? And that's actually the plot? PLEASE?

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It's 100% a thing coming out on April 1st.

When I first heard that a sequel to God's Not Dead was coming out on April 1st I thought it was a joke. The first was so masturbatory I felt like I needed some tissues on hand when it was playing to clean the mess. This one looks even dumber, which I did not think was possible. "First we took on a teacher. Now, we take on the ENTIRE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND THE COURTS. FUCKING PRAISE IT".

In all seriousness, the big problem with these films is that they miss the entire point of Christianity. The religion is supposed to be about loving your neighbors and such, yet the movies paint every non-believer in the worst lights possible. It's completely alienating to anyone not of the faith and makes Christians look really naive and xenophobic. By trying to make these rallying movies about how right they are in an evil world that is supposedly turning against them, they are only making that situation more prevalent by enforcing the stereotypes that people not of the faith are turned off by. I miss the days of the old Biblical epics that used scripture to show a compelling story, not just preach to the choir about how perfect Christians are and how horrible everyone else is.

There's nothing wrong with having movies for Christians who already believe in God. My problem with these movies as a Christian is it lacks any subtlety, depth, and introspection. As others have said everyone in these films who are believers are shined down with being great people who are always subjected because apparently for some reason many people believe Christians are being persecuted. Instead it's more about how in an increasing skeptical world, with many Christians being way too forceful about preaching are causing a rift.

Sounds like this movie could've been interesting if with the girl's condition caused the family to have huge doubts about their faith. Then the incident happens where it looks grim and things are at their worst. Insert drama about how God would never let this happen, then by the lowest of odds she makes it and their prayers are answered. Cheesy for sure, but at least it would've gone better.

In this day it would be more interesting to have different views of Christians. You can have the older beliefs which while some may be okay there are the ones that are against LGBT issues and other stuff that actively harms other people. You could have a person who starts questioning their beliefs because perhaps some of the beliefs they had seem bad as they go into the world. They start questioning those beliefs and God as a whole. Perhaps over time they come to see God and the bible in a different light that still has a bit of the Christian belief in it, but their views on certain aspects has changed. You can even have multiple perspectives which even some drop their beliefs completely, because that's what happens in real life. The problem is it requires subtlety and many people can't do that, especially people making these kinds of movies.

rcs619:
Also, as a side-note, why the hell does God only ever reveal miracles and visions of heaven to families who are already super-Christian?

For the same reason that people of different religions see different deities.

scw55:
It's a chance for Christianity to be accessible to people from outside The Church. But if the film is merely patting the back of existing believers

Yeah but how are you going to make money off of prostelyzing to the poor? Fuck that, follow the money, thats what Jesus wanted, right?

Comic Sans:
It's completely alienating to anyone not of the faith and makes Christians look really naive and xenophobic.

And fanatical. Remember the professor in God's Not Dead? Yeah, if you'll recall nobody even calls an ambulance. Converting somebody is more important than saving their life. I don't think it needs to be said how fucked up that is. Oh, and if he doesn't, even though he had a religious experience, if he doesn't say the words God will condemn to hell. No no, accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and saviour isn't what does it, its saying a few specific words in a language that wasn't even around when the Bible was written.

lacktheknack:
One day, there's going to be a faith movie that my Mom and I can watch that we'll both like.

Not this day, though.

What about the Prince of Egypt? That's one of the most beautiful films I've ever seen about Moses. To be fair though, for all it's obvious posturing it's still hard to beat the sheer scope of The Ten Commandments.

scw55:

Why is it so hard to produce a good film that portrays what it is to be a Christian to the masses?

Because every Christian has a different idea of what constitutes being a "true Christian".

Whenever a Christian does something bad, or claims the Bible instructs us to do something most of us view as horrible (which is what most of the Bible actually does, especially the Old Testament), other Christians who disagree claim that person isn't a "True Christian". It's the classic "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

This is why no film, no matter how good, will ever truly portray what it is to be a Christian. Especially when so many just sort of skip over the more troubling and atrocious parts of the Bible's commands.

Comic Sans:

In all seriousness, the big problem with these films is that they miss the entire point of Christianity. The religion is supposed to be about loving your neighbors and such, yet the movies paint every non-believer in the worst lights possible. It's completely alienating to anyone not of the faith and makes Christians look really naive and xenophobic. By trying to make these rallying movies about how right they are in an evil world that is supposedly turning against them, they are only making that situation more prevalent by enforcing the stereotypes that people not of the faith are turned off by. I miss the days of the old Biblical epics that used scripture to show a compelling story, not just preach to the choir about how perfect Christians are and how horrible everyone else is.

That may be your interpretation of what Christianity stands for, but many, many, MANY other Christians will disagree.

The fact that people like Fred Phelps exist is testament to your view of Christianity's true meaning not being the only one. There are plenty of others who believe to be a True Christian one must revile homosexuals, atheists, and anyone not beholden to the Christian Bible and Jesus.

rcs619:

That's fair. It's definitely not an issue with all Christians so much as it is a particular brand of evangelical Christian. The kind of people who genuinely believe God is a wrathful God, and who enjoy the idea of atheists/other religions/unbelievers in general 'getting what they deserve.'

I am not an expert on christianity, but wasn't the whole point of the seperation of the evangelical church from the catholic church, that they disagreed on the catholic portrayal of god as a wrathful God that needs to be calmed by buying indulgences?
It's at least what I used to learn when I was a member of the evangelical church.
Doing a quick search on wikipedia, it might just be something lost in translation? Apparently what I mean with evangelical church is named the Lutheranism in english.

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