Zero Punctuation: Ratchet & Clank

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Ratchet & Clank

This week, Zero Punctuation reviews Ratchet & Clank.

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the first step for Mary Sue is an inserted character in an established continuity. No matter how super great a character is and how much everyone loves them for no reason, they are not a Mary Sue if it's their own series. It's just a shitty character and I am sure there is a term for that on TV Tropes, but I got plan for the rest of this year, so I can't go there to check.

Liking the new format, Yahtzee!

...That's basically all I have to say, was only barely aware this game existed in the first place.

As a fan of the PS2 era, the series was never GREAT at the story thing. RC1 is where ratchet and clank got most of their character development, with Ratchet being a straight up dick for portions of the game. Sequels weirdly spent way more time on villains.

Backwards compatability has been a HUGE sticking point for me this gen. Im lucky enough to NOT NEED to sell my old consoles to afford the new ones. In fact, ive been playing catch up with all the smaller games from last gen that past me by (just got velvet assassin). But its complete bullshit that these machines can't handle their older counterparts.

Hm. Odd suit-wearing imp about 10 secs in. PC Master race stunt?

Backwards compatability is the biggest problem with the new consoles, but I think that problem will diminish with time. More and more re-releases of last-gen games are coming out, which admittedly doesn't solve the problem for people who already have them and want to play them on their new system. It does at least ensure they won't be totally erased.

On that note, didn't the Ratchet & Clank HD trilogy come out on PS3 and Vita around the same time the PS4 was released? That was incredibly poorly timed.

This's been a curious episode for me, as it is the first time Yahtzee reviews a game in a franchise I genuinly love and has major nostalgia for. Even more so when I can't find anything to argue about. If anything, there's a few things I wish he'd bring his iconic rants on, the way the villians are handled across the board spring to mind... In any case, as far as I'm concerned this reboot is vastly better gameplay-wise then the original, captures the mood of the story of the other ones well enough, but it's far from as good as Going Commando or Up your Arsenal. Overall, perfect summary.

Yeah, as someone who has played (almost) all previous Ratchet and Clank games, this game is really about on par with the first one, especially given it's a remake (but not really?) of the first one.

Thing is, they've made better games since the first one. Pretty much the only thing they slapped in that was new were the cards (pointless) and the raritanium upgrade board for each weapon, which while nice, is pretty much it.

I really really really hope that their next game is not simply a remake of the second game Going Commando. Make something new, please.

Rawbeard:
the first step for Mary Sue is an inserted character in an established continuity. No matter how super great a character is and how much everyone loves them for no reason, they are not a Mary Sue if it's their own series. It's just a shitty character and I am sure there is a term for that on TV Tropes, but I got plan for the rest of this year, so I can't go there to check.

The term has long evolved beyond fanfiction insert.

It's weird if that's the case for Ratchet in the new games. In the old games he was constantly getting crapped on.

Yep... The movie's fine[1]... The game's okay[2]... But, the method behind them all is more of a fucking mess than not re-releasing all of the PS2 Ratchet & Clank games to the PS3 for canon-based purposes in one package...

Other than that, apparently, this review also doubles as "spoilers" for the movie... which most people would know anyway if they played the first two-and-a-half games!

[1] I loved it! Take that, movie reviewers and critics I follow!
[2] Still based on the movie, though...

This video seemed rather shorter than usual. Though I am supposedly coming off from an extended period of very strong pain medication, which may explain such a perception. Things feel weird, cold and sterile.
Hang on, if you are a newcomer to the series, why do you assume the first installment better than the reboot? Even if you took someone else's opinion, it still means you cannot speak for yourself. Surprised nary a mention of the mostly eye-rolling humour within the game, but it does have an endearing charm to it, like a determined child comedian; you know it's their shtick and they mean well, but they can barely tease a natural smile no matter what they try to come up with.

I knew that stupid cell processor on the PS3 would bite Sony in the ass one of these days, Xbox One has backwards compatibility now Sony, what do you have? A new console "upgrade" which nobody was asking for? A VR add-on which will probably end up suffering the same fate as Kinect?

Kingjackl:
Backwards compatability is the biggest problem with the new consoles, but I think that problem will diminish with time. More and more re-releases of last-gen games are coming out, which admittedly doesn't solve the problem for people who already have them and want to play them on their new system. It does at least ensure they won't be totally erased.

On that note, didn't the Ratchet & Clank HD trilogy come out on PS3 and Vita around the same time the PS4 was released? That was incredibly poorly timed.

Xbox One has backwards compatibility now with a decent number of games, which is giving it an edge over the PS4 at the moment.

Yikes.

The whole entire first game was about Ratchet and Clank learning to not hate each other, and they just skip that entirely for the reboot?

Like, in the original, Ratchet just wants to get off his boring planet, and needs a robot to pilot his ship because that's what the blueprints say. So he sticks with Clank mostly just because otherwise his ass is stranded wherever they happen to land. And finally, after some stuff happens, Ratchet just wants to abandon the "Save the galaxy from the asshole corporation" mission, only for Clank to have to BLACKMAIL him into sticking along stating abovementioned "You need me with you or you'll be stranded", forcing Ratchet to slowly warm up to being an actual good guy and not just a daredevil who does stuff for fun.

It was actually pretty good as a character arc, and they just skip all that and jump straight to "They are best buds for no reason, go go go"? ...*sigh*

...Couldn't they just make an HD remake collection of the first 3 games, then make the rest of the PS3 games digital downloads on the PS4? Wouldn't that have been cheaper?

Hope Yahtzee reviews Star Fox Zero next week, can't wait to hear him shit all over the godawful controls that game has.

I never played the games, as I never had a PS2 or PS3, but it was a series I was interested in. Safe to say I'm not rushing out to buy a PS4 for just this game.

Michael Prymula:
Hope Yahtzee reviews Star Fox Zero next week, can't wait to hear him shit all over the godawful controls that game has.

Didn't you make this post last week? I have no doubt he isn't going to like it, though.

Yeah, everything I've heard about this game says it misses a lot of the beats of the first one that made the eponymous duo relatable. And from what I've seen it tries to do too much to hark back to the old games instead of being its own thing. Did we really need Drek and Quark and Nefarious as villains? Have you people learned nothing from the Spider-Man films, stick to one or at max two villains!

Michael Prymula:

Kingjackl:
Backwards compatability is the biggest problem with the new consoles, but I think that problem will diminish with time. More and more re-releases of last-gen games are coming out, which admittedly doesn't solve the problem for people who already have them and want to play them on their new system. It does at least ensure they won't be totally erased.

On that note, didn't the Ratchet & Clank HD trilogy come out on PS3 and Vita around the same time the PS4 was released? That was incredibly poorly timed.

Xbox One has backwards compatibility now with a decent number of games, which is giving it an edge over the PS4 at the moment.

Yet Nintendo is still the best when it comes to backwards compatibility. The XONE needed a couple of updates to get a decent back catalogue. When the Wii U came out, you could almost put any old Wii game in the console with rarely a fuss in sight. That is how you do backwards compatibility.

I don't know if the game series was rebooted to promote the movie, or the movie was made to promote the rebooted series. Seems kinda pointless. What's next, a new version of Angry Birds to promote its movie?

I have no idea why we haven't been getting the guitar solo in the ending from the beginning. It's like some sort of cruel joke that we listen to intro and outro every week without the best part.

Going Commando was best.

Ugh. Every time they remake/restart a series and give it the same name as the original game, I just want to snap something innocent. And no surprise, they usually go in a direction that's unfaithful to the original too.

Pallindromemordnillap:
Yeah, everything I've heard about this game says it misses a lot of the beats of the first one that made the eponymous duo relatable. And from what I've seen it tries to do too much to hark back to the old games instead of being its own thing. Did we really need Drek and Quark and Nefarious as villains? Have you people learned nothing from the Spider-Man films, stick to one or at max two villains!

Well, Drek and Quark were both villains in the original. The difference between the two games being that Quark was a legitimate asshole in the first one, and not some guy who was jealous but then finds redemption in the end. And Insomniac keeps bringing Nefarious back because they know he's the best character in the entire series.

Anyway, the blasting action is, well... a blast, unfortunately the characterisation is flimsey and kind of cringe inducing. This series went from good, solid toilet humor, to sterilized, kid friendly comedy. The type grandma and grandpa won't be offended by.

I bought the Ratchet and Clank collection for PS3 about 2 years ago, and found that R&C 3 (Up Your Arsenal!) was

fucking
goddamn
giant scrotumly

AWESOME

gameplay 10/10
story and characters 10/10
graphics good-enough/10
visual design 10/10
2d contra-like minigames 10/10

overall rating: if it were a woman I'd ask to smell her farts/10

too bad you PS4 kiddies will never play it. Or Jet Force Gemini, for the N64, which had similar overall design (no rocket launchers, just tri-rocket launchers, because if you think you need one explosion, you actually need three). Oh well at least the newest console generation has the only CoD games with active online multiplayer, lol.

Flathole:
too bad you PS4 kiddies will never play it. Or Jet Force Gemini, for the N64, which had similar overall design (no rocket launchers, just tri-rocket launchers, because if you think you need one explosion, you actually need three).

Never played a R&C game, but I'm willing to bet it has at least one key difference (and advantage) over JFG.

No tribals.

No. Goddamn. Tribals. ;)

Pallindromemordnillap:
Yeah, everything I've heard about this game says it misses a lot of the beats of the first one that made the eponymous duo relatable. And from what I've seen it tries to do too much to hark back to the old games instead of being its own thing. Did we really need Drek and Quark and Nefarious as villains? Have you people learned nothing from the Spider-Man films, stick to one or at max two villains!

I liked the Spiderman films, so I didn't see that as a bad thing.

CoCage:

Michael Prymula:

Kingjackl:
Backwards compatability is the biggest problem with the new consoles, but I think that problem will diminish with time. More and more re-releases of last-gen games are coming out, which admittedly doesn't solve the problem for people who already have them and want to play them on their new system. It does at least ensure they won't be totally erased.

On that note, didn't the Ratchet & Clank HD trilogy come out on PS3 and Vita around the same time the PS4 was released? That was incredibly poorly timed.

Xbox One has backwards compatibility now with a decent number of games, which is giving it an edge over the PS4 at the moment.

Yet Nintendo is still the best when it comes to backwards compatibility. The XONE needed a couple of updates to get a decent back catalogue. When the Wii U came out, you could almost put any old Wii game in the console with rarely a fuss in sight. That is how you do backwards compatibility.

Too bad Nintendo is failing in so many other areas the backwards compatibility almost doesn't matter.

Zacharious-khan:
I have no idea why we haven't been getting the guitar solo in the ending from the beginning. It's like some sort of cruel joke that we listen to intro and outro every week without the best part.

Going Commando was best.

Up Your Arsenal was my favorite.

marioandsonic:
I never played the games, as I never had a PS2 or PS3, but it was a series I was interested in. Safe to say I'm not rushing out to buy a PS4 for just this game.

Michael Prymula:
Hope Yahtzee reviews Star Fox Zero next week, can't wait to hear him shit all over the godawful controls that game has.

Didn't you make this post last week? I have no doubt he isn't going to like it, though.

Yeah I did, I thought for sure he would skip Ratchet and Clank given his strong dislike for Knack, the last action-platformer PS4 game he played.

Rawbeard:
the first step for Mary Sue is an inserted character in an established continuity. No matter how super great a character is and how much everyone loves them for no reason, they are not a Mary Sue if it's their own series. It's just a shitty character and I am sure there is a term for that on TV Tropes, but I got plan for the rest of this year, so I can't go there to check.

I mean, depending on who/where you ask, "Mary Sue" can mean anything between "the literal original Mary Sue character", "a character exhibiting a trait also common among Special Snowflake-type characters" and "a badly written character".

But from what I can tell the common definition among hobbyist writers revolves around Mary Sues being distractingly perfect: They have no significant character flaws to speak of (15s of sadness over not being a perfect hero or being "too beautiful" wouldn't be characterized as signficant), they are well-liked by all characters except the antagonists, and they kick ass in pretty much every way relevant to the story without breaking a sweat. The first part in "distractingly perfect" is also important of course: If a story has very simple characters in general for example and focuses on something different, or if the character comes out on top every time but you can see they're fighting tooth and nail every time, virtually perfect characters can usually get a pass.

This isn't so much about the review itself, but rather a thought that occurred to me after watching the jimquisition earlier this week:

Isn't it time to update the intro? It's been the same since 2008, save for a higher definition.

I love how creative you got with both accepting and dismissing this one.

Aeshi:
Liking the new format, Yahtzee!

...That's basically all I have to say, was only barely aware this game existed in the first place.

wait what's new about what he's doing?

Hawki:

Flathole:
too bad you PS4 kiddies will never play it. Or Jet Force Gemini, for the N64, which had similar overall design (no rocket launchers, just tri-rocket launchers, because if you think you need one explosion, you actually need three).

No tribals.

No. Goddamn. Tribals. ;)

Touche.

Tribals aside, JFG was awesome. It's a console 3rd person mostly-shooter with boner-inducing weapons and hordes of semi-organized, semi-intelligent bugs to explode, RPG-lite charcater-growth elements, punctuated with huge boss fights and punishing diffuculty.

My point is if you like one, you'll like the other, even if you don't complete it entirely.

Michael Prymula:

Up Your Arsenal was my favorite.

Close Second, although its been years since i've played either. I'm not even sure i'm remembering them right.

Rawbeard:
the first step for Mary Sue is an inserted character in an established continuity. No matter how super great a character is and how much everyone loves them for no reason, they are not a Mary Sue if it's their own series. It's just a shitty character and I am sure there is a term for that on TV Tropes, but I got plan for the rest of this year, so I can't go there to check.

What you're describing is a self-insert fan fiction character. Mary Sue (or Gary Stu) characters are not exclusive to fan fiction. The exact definition of of a Mary Sue/Gary Stu character seems to vary depending on who you ask. For example my definition is a character who is loved by everyone, is perfect at everything, and had few to no flaws whatsoever and if they do have any flaws their flaws only seem to make them more endearing (to everyone in-universe anyway).

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