Finding Dory - Just Keep Swimming

Finding Dory - Just Keep Swimming

Finding Dory is pretty much what you'd expect from an unnecessary - but still good - Finding Nemo sequel.

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Dominic West plays a sea lion and so does Idris Elba. But Idris Elba's sea lion is black, geddit?

Escapists, a thread consisting of six A4 sides on the injustice of this by Monday, please.

Barbas:
Dominic West plays a sea lion and so does Idris Elba. But Idris Elba's sea lion is black, geddit?

Escapists, a thread consisting of six A4 sides on the injustice of this by Monday, please.

But Mr. Barbas, I had Euro 2016 tickets this weekend! ;A;

OT: Maybe now they'll explain why the hell she has a Goldfish memory.
While it's a charming character quirk and all, I'm really wondering if they are actually going to do something akin to having her be dropped on her head or something.
If you want to spoil me, do it in PMs, still haven't made up my mind if I'm seeing this or not.

The question I've got is: Does Bruce and his mates make a reappearance? 'Cause if the nice sharks (not mindless eating machines) aren't in it than I don't give a fuck about anything else.

Now I worry if Increadibles 2, even with Brad Bird at the helm, would even exceed the first movie at all. Because what made the first movie great was the whole theme of Superheroes now in hiding.

I just feel the sequal is at risk of just being an Avengers/Fantastic Four clone....as in just part for part exactly like the Avengers with no identity to call it its own.

I saw this movie a few days ago with zero expectation. I mean, I expected it to be "good" of course, but that was it.

Well, it is "good," but it's the type of good that left me with a smile on my face. I pretty much agree with Mater - is Finding Dory as good as Finding Nemo? No. However, the film never entered the "does it need to exist?" territory for me. And there's a few reasons for this.

One, is that it's without question Dory's story, and its themes feel both familiar to Finding Nemo, but also different, a technique executed far better than Kung Fu Panda 3 in comparison to KFP1. If Finding Nemo's biggest theme is "letting go/growing up," then Finding Dory's biggest theme is "faith." As in, it's worth putting your faith in people, even if it seems like they won't always come through. It's shown with Becky, it's shown with Dory, it reaches its climax when Dory "follows the shells" (those who've seen the movie will know what I'm talking about).

The second is that the tone is quite different, and I feel this is both the film's strength and weakness. It's both simultaniously darker than Finding Nemo, yet more comedic. On one hand, Dory's short-term memory loss is well and truly portrayed as a mental illness here, and that comes through as to how (spoiler) snaps at her towards the start, and how her (spoiler) deal with her in the flashback sections. Yet there's a lot of comedy as well, not just from new characters like Hank, Destiny, and Bailey (who I all love), not just from Becky's near-insanity, but from the general tone and banter in the movie (e.g. the Destiny/Bailey animosity, and the clam who, ahem, 'opens up'). However, I do feel it works to the film's detriment in the ending sequence, where, without spoilers, we have slow motion, certain music playing, and a tacked-on feeling after Dory (spoiler).

So, yes, Finding Dory is good. Not as good as Finding Nemo, and out of all the Pixar films I've seen, it takes the #7 spot. It doesn't get into this year's top ten list for me, but it's more like a #11, and is the third best animated film I've seen in theatres this year. Given the position that (spoiler and spoiler) are in at the film's end, I'd still be iffy about a third film. Like I said, Finding Nemo is the character arc of Marlin and Nemo, Finding Dory is the character arc of Dory, and while I could see a "Finding Hank" movie existing, I don't think it's needed, even though he had me in stitches. But yes, this film was a lot of fun.

Oh, and also agree with Mater, that "Piper," the short film before Finding Dory proper, is good as well. Great use of telling a story without dialogue, great animation, and Piper himself is adorable.

Caramel Frappe:
I don't usually like Disney sequels. Have you seen them for yourself? It feels like a cash grab because really, the main conflict was resolved and the original movie had WAY more effort / thought / soul placed into it.

Disney sequels, yes, but I don't consider Pixar part of Disney myself. I mean, sure, they're part of Disney from a business sense, but I usually look at the Disney Animated Canon and Pixar's output as separate things. I will say that I don't think Toy Story 2 or 3 surpass the original, but all of them are still solid films in their own right (haven't seen Monsters University, so can't compare that to the original).

LongAndShort:
The question I've got is: Does Bruce and his mates make a reappearance? 'Cause if the nice sharks (not mindless eating machines) aren't in it than I don't give a fuck about anything else.

No. Though Destiny IS a whale shark who's nice, so there's that.

Samtemdo8:
Now I worry if Increadibles 2, even with Brad Bird at the helm, would even exceed the first movie at all. Because what made the first movie great was the whole theme of Superheroes now in hiding.

I just feel the sequal is at risk of just being an Avengers/Fantastic Four clone....as in just part for part exactly like the Avengers with no identity to call it its own.

Y'know, I've never really understood the appeal of the Incredibles. I mean, it's a good film, but...that's about it for me. A good action superhero flick (takes the #10 spot on my Pixar list). It was arguably already a Fantastic 4 clone from the start.

On the other hand, I am aware that Incredibles 2 would exist in an era where superheroes are Hollywood's jam right now (and audiences' as well apparently), so that leaves Pixar in the position of either subverting/parodying that trend, getting on the band-wagon, or following their own tune. I think Incredibles 2 has more reason to exist than some other Pixar sequels, but with Finding Dory being as good as it was, I find myself less interested. More interested than Cars 3, mind you, but still, Incredibles is something I've always had apathy towards. A guess a sequel can only go up for me.

Hawki:

Caramel Frappe:
I don't usually like Disney sequels. Have you seen them for yourself? It feels like a cash grab because really, the main conflict was resolved and the original movie had WAY more effort / thought / soul placed into it.

Disney sequels, yes, but I don't consider Pixar part of Disney myself. I mean, sure, they're part of Disney from a business sense, but I usually look at the Disney Animated Canon and Pixar's output as separate things. I will say that I don't think Toy Story 2 or 3 surpass the original, but all of them are still solid films in their own right (haven't seen Monsters University, so can't compare that to the original).

(I have... It's okay... Just barely subverts itself from the flaws of just being a prequel, basically...)

Hawki:

Samtemdo8:
Now I worry if Increadibles 2, even with Brad Bird at the helm, would even exceed the first movie at all. Because what made the first movie great was the whole theme of Superheroes now in hiding.

I just feel the sequal is at risk of just being an Avengers/Fantastic Four clone....as in just part for part exactly like the Avengers with no identity to call it its own.

Y'know, I've never really understood the appeal of the Incredibles. I mean, it's a good film, but...that's about it for me. A good action superhero flick (takes the #10 spot on my Pixar list). It was arguably already a Fantastic 4 clone from the start.

On the other hand, I am aware that Incredibles 2 would exist in an era where superheroes are Hollywood's jam right now (and audiences' as well apparently), so that leaves Pixar in the position of either subverting/parodying that trend, getting on the band-wagon, or following their own tune. I think Incredibles 2 has more reason to exist than some other Pixar sequels, but with Finding Dory being as good as it was, I find myself less interested. More interested than Cars 3, mind you, but still, Incredibles is something I've always had apathy towards. A guess a sequel can only go up for me.

I remember taking to Casual Shinji about this and he brought up a particular element from the first movie that could be brought up in the sequel... Plus, to me, the sequel could have more Frozone screen-time...

OT: If I was invited to go see this, I will no questions asked...

Other than that, I don't think it can top The Lobster in the comedy department...

Isn't there a number of years where how harshly we compare a sequel gets less and less?

I mean, I never thought 'Finding Nemo' was near their best (original) film, better than Cars, but...that's not very hard.

It was okay. Pretty fun.

I was hoping for a cameo from one of the other fish in the dentist's office from the first movie. As a child, that had always bugged me. How did they get out of their bags? If they did, did they all stay together? If they didn't, wouldn't they eventually suffocate? Or get eaten by seagulls?

Tanis:
Isn't there a number of years where how harshly we compare a sequel gets less and less?

I mean, I never thought 'Finding Nemo' was near their best (original) film, better than Cars, but...that's not very hard.

I'd have thought the level of harshness would increase over time. A sequel made in close succession has the benefit of riding off the good grace of its predecessor. A sequel after a long period of time has to contend with nostalgia, expectation, and the high standards, imagined or otherwise, of its predecessor. Not to mention it'll run the question of why it needs to exist.

It'll be interesting to see how The Incredibles 2 stacks up, since people really like its original (for some reason).

Is Dory still just as obnoxious like in Finding Nemo? I never liked it when she was happy in that. A whole movie with that type of "comedy" is not something I can really look forward to.

Hawki:

LongAndShort:
The question I've got is: Does Bruce and his mates make a reappearance? 'Cause if the nice sharks (not mindless eating machines) aren't in it than I don't give a fuck about anything else.

No. Though Destiny IS a whale shark who's nice, so there's that.

Not voiced by Barry Humphries, Eric Bana and Bruce Spence. Doesn't count.

Bob_McMillan:
It was okay. Pretty fun.

I was hoping for a cameo from one of the other fish in the dentist's office from the first movie. As a child, that had always bugged me. How did they get out of their bags? If they did, did they all stay together? If they didn't, wouldn't they eventually suffocate? Or get eaten by seagulls?

Someone didn't stay till after the credits :)

Bob_McMillan:
It was okay. Pretty fun.

I was hoping for a cameo from one of the other fish in the dentist's office from the first movie. As a child, that had always bugged me. How did they get out of their bags? If they did, did they all stay together? If they didn't, wouldn't they eventually suffocate? Or get eaten by seagulls?

LongAndShort:

Hawki:

LongAndShort:
The question I've got is: Does Bruce and his mates make a reappearance? 'Cause if the nice sharks (not mindless eating machines) aren't in it than I don't give a fuck about anything else.

No. Though Destiny IS a whale shark who's nice, so there's that.

Not voiced by Barry Humphries, Eric Bana and Bruce Spence. Doesn't count.

I for one would like to see more of those seagulls who all say "MINE!", if we don't get the Australian sharks.

Darth_Payn:

Bob_McMillan:
It was okay. Pretty fun.

I was hoping for a cameo from one of the other fish in the dentist's office from the first movie. As a child, that had always bugged me. How did they get out of their bags? If they did, did they all stay together? If they didn't, wouldn't they eventually suffocate? Or get eaten by seagulls?

LongAndShort:

Hawki:

No. Though Destiny IS a whale shark who's nice, so there's that.

Not voiced by Barry Humphries, Eric Bana and Bruce Spence. Doesn't count.

I for one would like to see more of those seagulls who all say "MINE!", if we don't get the Australian sharks.

Seagulls (not THE seagulls though) do appear with the "mine" chorus, though only for a few seconds. Their role is more or less shared between Becky and the seals in this movie.

I watched The Film Theorists two part episode "Exposing Dory" and "Dory is a liar" on YouTube beforehand. It made watching this movie more fun than it should've been.

P-89 Scorpion:

Bob_McMillan:
It was okay. Pretty fun.

I was hoping for a cameo from one of the other fish in the dentist's office from the first movie. As a child, that had always bugged me. How did they get out of their bags? If they did, did they all stay together? If they didn't, wouldn't they eventually suffocate? Or get eaten by seagulls?

Someone didn't stay till after the credits :)

Wait, seriously? In this movie or the first one?

Bob_McMillan:

P-89 Scorpion:

Bob_McMillan:
It was okay. Pretty fun.

I was hoping for a cameo from one of the other fish in the dentist's office from the first movie. As a child, that had always bugged me. How did they get out of their bags? If they did, did they all stay together? If they didn't, wouldn't they eventually suffocate? Or get eaten by seagulls?

Someone didn't stay till after the credits :)

Wait, seriously? In this movie or the first one?

In Finding Dory.

Saw this today with the wife. Neither of us really liked it. Felt like it was geared straight at little kids. Honestly bottom tier stuff for pixar.

That moment when you realize kids movies don't HAVE to be Minions.

Samtemdo8:
Now I worry if Increadibles 2, even with Brad Bird at the helm, would even exceed the first movie at all. Because what made the first movie great was the whole theme of Superheroes now in hiding.

I just feel the sequal is at risk of just being an Avengers/Fantastic Four clone....as in just part for part exactly like the Avengers with no identity to call it its own.

Without knowing anything of the production, I find myself expecting a Heel-face turn for Syndrome, set up by him spending the first half of the film in a Silence of the Lambs, Hannibal Lecter capacity. Dunno. I just think they did a pretty good job of establishing him as a sympathetic character in the first movie, and it'd be a waste to ignore all of that character build-up in a sequel.

OT: Has a movie where the main cast gets sidelined for the side characters from the previous movie(s) ever worked? I honestly can't think of any.

ccggenius12:

Without knowing anything of the production, I find myself expecting a Heel-face turn for Syndrome, set up by him spending the first half of the film in a Silence of the Lambs, Hannibal Lecter capacity. Dunno. I just think they did a pretty good job of establishing him as a sympathetic character in the first movie, and it'd be a waste to ignore all of that character build-up in a sequel.

Um...Syndrome's dead. Like, really dead. Like, "holy shit, did Pixar get away with that?" dead.

ccggenius12:
Has a movie where the main cast gets sidelined for the side characters from the previous movie(s) ever worked? I honestly can't think of any.

Off the top of my head, Finding Dory itself, along with Jurassic Park: The Lost World, and 2010: Odyssey Two.

Hawki:

Um...Syndrome's dead. Like, really dead. Like, "holy shit, did Pixar get away with that?" dead.

ccggenius12:
Has a movie where the main cast gets sidelined for the side characters from the previous movie(s) ever worked? I honestly can't think of any.

Off the top of my head, Finding Dory itself, along with Jurassic Park: The Lost World, and 2010: Odyssey Two.

Huh... I guess it's been a LONG ass time since I watched that movie... I remember shit-all about it (apparently)... In that case, I see either a Superhero Registration Act/Civil War knockoff, or something to do with a successful, unpowered hero.
Also, there was a sequel to 2010!?!

ccggenius12:

Hawki:

Um...Syndrome's dead. Like, really dead. Like, "holy shit, did Pixar get away with that?" dead.

ccggenius12:
Has a movie where the main cast gets sidelined for the side characters from the previous movie(s) ever worked? I honestly can't think of any.

Off the top of my head, Finding Dory itself, along with Jurassic Park: The Lost World, and 2010: Odyssey Two.

Huh... I guess it's been a LONG ass time since I watched that movie... I remember shit-all about it (apparently)... In that case, I see either a Superhero Registration Act/Civil War knockoff, or something to do with a successful, unpowered hero.
Also, there was a sequel to 2010!?!

Not a sequel, it IS the sequel. Of the Space Odyssey series, we have 2001: A Space Odyssey, 2010: Odyssey Two, 2061: Odyssey Three, and 3001: The Final Odyssey (I'm not including the Time Odyssey series in this). The first two were adapted into films, and 3001 is apparently getting a TV adaptation. 2010 fits the criteria because Heywood Floyd is the main protagonist, whereas in both the film and book of 2001, he was there for 25-50% of the time and not the main protagonist in either case (he's there more in the book than the film, but both versions of 2001 lack a central protagonist outside humanity itself...sort of).

P-89 Scorpion:

Bob_McMillan:

P-89 Scorpion:

Someone didn't stay till after the credits :)

Wait, seriously? In this movie or the first one?

In Finding Dory.

Goddammit, now I have to watch it again -_-

Bob_McMillan:

P-89 Scorpion:

In Finding Dory.

Goddammit, now I have to watch it again -_-

Wait till rental not worth it for a 30 sec scene.

Hawki:

Not a sequel, it IS the sequel. Of the Space Odyssey series, we have 2001: A Space Odyssey, 2010: Odyssey Two, 2061: Odyssey Three, and 3001: The Final Odyssey (I'm not including the Time Odyssey series in this). The first two were adapted into films, and 3001 is apparently getting a TV adaptation. 2010 fits the criteria because Heywood Floyd is the main protagonist, whereas in both the film and book of 2001, he was there for 25-50% of the time and not the main protagonist in either case (he's there more in the book than the film, but both versions of 2001 lack a central protagonist outside humanity itself...sort of).

I'm gonna blame this one on exhaustion based numerical dyslexia. My reaction SHOULD have been to 2001 having a sequel.
Also, just came up with one: Tremors. Kevin Bacon was the main attraction to start, but the franchise has built itself around Michael Gross. I may be biasedthough, my favorite was #4, cowboys vs giant worms.

Samtemdo8:
Now I worry if Increadibles 2, even with Brad Bird at the helm, would even exceed the first movie at all. Because what made the first movie great was the whole theme of Superheroes now in hiding.

I just feel the sequal is at risk of just being an Avengers/Fantastic Four clone....as in just part for part exactly like the Avengers with no identity to call it its own.

Disney already made an Avengers clone with "Big Hero 6" so I imagine the plot of "Incredibles 2" will be different.

Evonisia:

Samtemdo8:
Now I worry if Increadibles 2, even with Brad Bird at the helm, would even exceed the first movie at all. Because what made the first movie great was the whole theme of Superheroes now in hiding.

I just feel the sequal is at risk of just being an Avengers/Fantastic Four clone....as in just part for part exactly like the Avengers with no identity to call it its own.

Disney already made an Avengers clone with "Big Hero 6" so I imagine the plot of "Incredibles 2" will be different.

I just hope it tries to do something original because Pixar now is not Pixar then.

Evonisia:

Samtemdo8:
Now I worry if Increadibles 2, even with Brad Bird at the helm, would even exceed the first movie at all. Because what made the first movie great was the whole theme of Superheroes now in hiding.

I just feel the sequal is at risk of just being an Avengers/Fantastic Four clone....as in just part for part exactly like the Avengers with no identity to call it its own.

Disney already made an Avengers clone with "Big Hero 6" so I imagine the plot of "Incredibles 2" will be different.

And The Incredibles was basically a Fantastic 4 clone.

Neither "cloning" is inherently bad, but The Incredibles was hardly the high point of originality.

I enjoyed it. It was interesting how it tackled the concept of overcoming one's disability (there were a few characters with disabilities). Also: living in the moment instead of worrying about everything. There was some emotional stuff and lots of comedy, but nothing as brainless and stupid as Minions or other non-Pixar CGI films.

As usual, the visuals are really, really amazing, especially the short at the beginning. Pixar still rules compared to Illumination or Dreamworks </can of worms opened>

 

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