Don't Breathe - Okay, Movie, Whatever You Want

Don't Breathe - Okay, Movie, Whatever You Want

Don't Breathe is another really solid horror movie in 2016. What is going on?

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This movie is a skip for me. I love the concept of getting chased by a blind psycho. However, it's hard to feel sympathetic to the people who being hunted by the "monster". When they are burglars trying to steal from a blind man. If the victims were more sympathetic, I would check this movie out.

KissingSunlight:
This movie is a skip for me. I love the concept of getting chased by a blind psycho. However, it's hard to feel sympathetic to the people who being hunted by the "monster". When they are burglars trying to steal from a blind man. If the victims were more sympathetic, I would check this movie out.

Same. Especially since one of them is one of those "white guy trying hard as fuck to be black" guys.

Huh....never heard of it but consider me intrigued. Marter strikes again!

The title of the review made me think you didn't like it much.

KissingSunlight:
This movie is a skip for me. I love the concept of getting chased by a blind psycho. However, it's hard to feel sympathetic to the people who being hunted by the "monster". When they are burglars trying to steal from a blind man. If the victims were more sympathetic, I would check this movie out.

By all accounts, that's what the movie wants you to think.

...and then by the end, you're so messed up on who the "good guy" is that it becomes part of the moral.

KissingSunlight:
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RaikuFA:
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From what I hear, this goes beyond 'self defence' into 'hell yeah, I'm going to enjoy making you suffer though you're no actual threat to me', plus some hints that 'The Blind Man' is significantly more twisted than he appears to be.

Dumb Question Time: Is Stephen Lang actually blind, or did they just really like him in Daredevil?

Bob_McMillan:
Dumb Question Time: Is Stephen Lang actually blind, or did they just really like him in Daredevil?

No he's not actually blind. And he actually really wants to play Cable in the Deadpool sequel.

Remus:

Bob_McMillan:
Dumb Question Time: Is Stephen Lang actually blind, or did they just really like him in Daredevil?

No he's not actually blind. And he actually really wants to play Cable in the Deadpool sequel.

He has the build and look to play Cable, and the movies I've seen him in totally show he can at least get something out of the role.

"What is going on with 2016? While overall movie quality has taken a dip, for whatever reason we've gotten an astounding (relatively speaking) number of good-to-great wide-release horror movies."

Can't comment on the horror genre, but when did this happen? I'm not commenting on Mater (judgement of quality is subjective), but I've seen this popping up everywhere, and I can't reconcile it with my personal experience. Looking at the films I've seen in cinemas this year, bar TFA (which I first saw in 2015, so I don't count a second viewing), I've seen 6 bad films, 21 average films, 14 good films, and 2 excellent films. Judgement of those individual films aside, that does seem to fit the standard bell curve format of rankings. I'd personally call that a decent ratio.

Thoughts? How would people say this year has been so far?

(Caveat in that I may have missed some films in those numbers given or accidentally counted ones I saw outside cinemas.)

Edit: So, went back over the films I saw in 2015, which gave me the results of one bad film, 14 average films, 13 good films, and one excellent films. Applying the formula of:

-Terrible=1/5
-Bad=2/5
-Average=3/5
-Good=4/5
-Excellent=5/5

And converting this into the average quality of movies released in cinemas per year, I get the results of (rounded up to two dp):

2015: 3.48
2016: 3.28

So, in the scope of personal experience, I will concede that 2015 was a better year than 2016 has so far been this year, but only with a difference of .2 on the above scale. Of course, both lists are based on films being released over here in different years than their country of origin, but regardless, well, yeah.

Anyway, that was fun. Question still stands though.

Hawki:
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If you'll indulge me (and it's Marter, not Mater ;p).

I keep relatively extensive records of the films I watch, and this is what I've got when comparing this year and last year (theatrical films only; VOD releases have been excluded).

2015 overall: 211 films, 5.42/10.
2016 so far: 111 films, 5.02/10).

With just those, we've got the same drop (if you halve mine to get down to a rating out of 5).

But there's more to it than that, I think.

For 2015, 23.44% of the films I saw were ones that I gave a 7/10 or higher to. That's actually lower than 2016's, which is at 24.53%. However, it's the films that I gave a 3/10 or lower to where there's a big difference. Last year was at 21.20%, while this year sees it at 30.82%.

Looking even further into it, on a month-by-month basis, 2016 is still worse. The "Summer Movie Season," as far as I'm concerned, is May-August. Counting only the wide-release movies (AKA the ones most people see), here's what we've got:

2015: May (5.20/10, 10 films), June (5.63/10, 8 films), July (5.57/10, 14 films), August (5.00/10, 12 films)
2016: May (5.38/10, 8 films), June (5.45/10, 11 films), July (4.77/10, 13 films), August (4.90/10, 10 films)

The weighted averages for the two years are: 2015 (5.34/10) and 2016 (5.10).

So, it's worse. And it is significantly worse, relatively speaking. 2016 is the lowest theatrical year I have from the 2010s, and that .40 gap between years is a big drop. Most years wind up somewhere around 5.30, and when you're playing with numbers like this, a .40 drop is significant when it's a large sample size. I think the feeling, though, that it's been utterly dreadful, is that 30.82% "terrible" film rate, which is higher than any other 2010 year I have by more than 6%.

With that said, it isn't fair to evaluate a year on the whole prior to the year finishing. Statistically speaking, it's due to have some correction. The "awards" movies are still to come, after all. It'll likely end up closer to 2011 (5.17/10) than last year, but it will improve. It's just that there's been a lot of garbage, and many of the big movies have disappointed.

Obviously the ratings are all subjective, and not perfect for everyone, but it's a much larger sample size and comparing year to year should remain rather constant given that it's all my ratings.

Marter:

Hawki:
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Heh, point taken. Very illuminating. Thanks for that, as well as confirming that I'm not the only one obsessively keeps records.

I wonder, you mention a startle scare at the start of the movie, but does it have a lot of those? Because I like horror, but I hate jump scares so I end up barely watching horror movies.

Cowabungaa:
I wonder, you mention a startle scare at the start of the movie, but does it have a lot of those? Because I like horror, but I hate jump scares so I end up barely watching horror movies.

There are a few but not enough to really be an issue.

Marter:
There are a couple of twists, things get a lot more disturbing than you think they will going in, and - well, I guess the natural progression from a chicken leg is a turkey baster. If you get the reference: (1) you watch depraved movies and (2) you're awesome.

At first I thought you might be referencing Caligula rather than Fun Size, but a more apt one for Caligula would be "mashed potatoes". I was going to watch that scene again to see whether or not a drumstick was involved, but then I realized I didn't want to watch any part of that movie again.

hentropy:
At first I thought you might be referencing Caligula rather than Fun Size, but a more apt one for Caligula would be "mashed potatoes". I was going to watch that scene again to see whether or not a drumstick was involved, but then I realized I didn't want to watch any part of that movie again.

Not either of them!

Marter:

hentropy:
At first I thought you might be referencing Caligula rather than Fun Size, but a more apt one for Caligula would be "mashed potatoes". I was going to watch that scene again to see whether or not a drumstick was involved, but then I realized I didn't want to watch any part of that movie again.

Not either of them!

To be fair, it seems you were one of the only ones to see that movie. I hope Matt had fun, though. It is a fun scene to watch after just hearing him as Beetle.

Marter:

Cowabungaa:
I wonder, you mention a startle scare at the start of the movie, but does it have a lot of those? Because I like horror, but I hate jump scares so I end up barely watching horror movies.

There are a few but not enough to really be an issue.

Hmm, okay. Follow-up question; are they accompanied with loud sudden noises? My Asperger's makes kinda sensitive to that. I hope not because I'm really interested in this movie.

Windknight:

KissingSunlight:
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RaikuFA:
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From what I hear, this goes beyond 'self defence' into 'hell yeah, I'm going to enjoy making you suffer though you're no actual threat to me', plus some hints that 'The Blind Man' is significantly more twisted than he appears to be.

lacktheknack:

KissingSunlight:
This movie is a skip for me. I love the concept of getting chased by a blind psycho. However, it's hard to feel sympathetic to the people who being hunted by the "monster". When they are burglars trying to steal from a blind man. If the victims were more sympathetic, I would check this movie out.

By all accounts, that's what the movie wants you to think.

...and then by the end, you're so messed up on who the "good guy" is that it becomes part of the moral.

I got that hint of that being a plot twist from watching the trailer. Still, if you break into someone's house. You deserve whatever bad thing that happens to you. Regardless, if the person is a good, normal person or a raging psycho.

Cowabungaa:
Hmm, okay. Follow-up question; are they accompanied with loud sudden noises? My Asperger's makes kinda sensitive to that. I hope not because I'm really interested in this movie.

That's typically how they work, so yeah.

I think there's one (it's in the trailer) that's mostly silent, although it might've been accompanied by a soundtrack cue. Can't remember for sure. But there aren't too many, anyway.

KissingSunlight:
Still, if you break into someone's house. You deserve whatever bad thing that happens to you. Regardless, if the person is a good, normal person or a raging psycho.

I'll keep that in mind when the three year old kids next door break into my house. I mean, I COULD act like a human being and do something that was in proportion to their age and intent, but nah, I'm in the position to do whatever I want to them apparently.

Bob_McMillan:
Dumb Question Time: Is Stephen Lang actually blind, or did they just really like him in Daredevil?

Think you have him confused with Glenn Scott.

Hawki:

KissingSunlight:
Still, if you break into someone's house. You deserve whatever bad thing that happens to you. Regardless, if the person is a good, normal person or a raging psycho.

I'll keep that in mind when the three year old kids next door break into my house. I mean, I COULD act like a human being and do something that was in proportion to their age and intent, but nah, I'm in the position to do whatever I want to them apparently.

This is a topic for another thread. You can do whatever you want when someone breaks into your house. However, don't expect me be sympathetic or outraged when some burglar(s) gets killed when they break into someone else's house who doesn't share your compassion.

I went to see this movie myself. After watching it, my overall rating would be...a shrug and an "eh". It's not a bad film, per se, but if you've seen enough horror movies (and I have), the majority of it isn't going to be that shocking or scary. It doesn't have the creeping fear that a film like, say, "Mama" or "The Conjuring" does. It's a decent thriller, but the antagonist doesn't come across as menacing enough to be truly intimidating. The final twist is definitely enough to make a lot of people squirm, but I think once again too much of the film was spoiled in the trailers and while an entertaining sit, I don't think this is a film I'll be adding to my collection; one screening is enough to satisfy my interest.

Bob_McMillan:
Dumb Question Time: Is Stephen Lang actually blind, or did they just really like him in Daredevil?

He's not blind, nor is he in Daredevil.

KissingSunlight:

Hawki:

KissingSunlight:
Still, if you break into someone's house. You deserve whatever bad thing that happens to you. Regardless, if the person is a good, normal person or a raging psycho.

I'll keep that in mind when the three year old kids next door break into my house. I mean, I COULD act like a human being and do something that was in proportion to their age and intent, but nah, I'm in the position to do whatever I want to them apparently.

This is a topic for another thread. You can do whatever you want when someone breaks into your house. However, don't expect me be sympathetic or outraged when some burglar(s) gets killed when they break into someone else's house who doesn't share your compassion.

That may be, but then you will be spending the rest of your life in jail, because self-defense only goes so far (You cannot kill if intruder is unarmed, you cannot kill if there is one person, if you kill by false enticement (also known as honey trap) you are a murderer, torture and cruelty invalidates self-defense). Your lack of morality does not trump legal precedence and law, and it's not compassion, it's ethics. What is legal and what is not legal is clear as day.

KissingSunlight:
This movie is a skip for me. I love the concept of getting chased by a blind psycho. However, it's hard to feel sympathetic to the people who being hunted by the "monster". When they are burglars trying to steal from a blind man. If the victims were more sympathetic, I would check this movie out.

Same. However, I'm wondering if this could unintentionally turn it into something like Taken, where I find myself secretly cheering as I watch the blind vet hunt down these criminals.

InsanityRequiem:

KissingSunlight:

Hawki:

I'll keep that in mind when the three year old kids next door break into my house. I mean, I COULD act like a human being and do something that was in proportion to their age and intent, but nah, I'm in the position to do whatever I want to them apparently.

This is a topic for another thread. You can do whatever you want when someone breaks into your house. However, don't expect me be sympathetic or outraged when some burglar(s) gets killed when they break into someone else's house who doesn't share your compassion.

That may be, but then you will be spending the rest of your life in jail, because self-defense only goes so far (You cannot kill if intruder is unarmed, you cannot kill if there is one person, if you kill by false enticement (also known as honey trap) you are a murderer, torture and cruelty invalidates self-defense). Your lack of morality does not trump legal precedence and law, and it?s not compassion, it?s ethics. What is legal and what is not legal is clear as day.

If you want to surrender yourself when you get confronted by a burglar, then you deserve whatever happens to you.

Whenever I read about a burglar getting killed. Regardless, of how legal the self-defense was in that case, I don't feel sorry for the burglar. There is no rationalization that is going to convince me that the burglar deserves to be considered a "victim".

I hope I never find out what I would do if someone breaks into my house. In a just world, I should be allowed to kill that person and put that burglar's head on a pike as a warning for other criminals thinking about breaking in.

My son once asked me why one should like an unpleasant movie: one that makes you angry, or scared or cry. I told him, if you are any of those, you aren't bored. (Sometimes I cannot handle it: I could not finish watching a re-enactment of Flight 93 on 9/11 even though I was not bored).

For some reason, you don't have to like a character to feel their terror (though sometimes it is oddly fun that bad or seriously flawed people be afraid).

This movie is getting generally really good reviews: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/dont_breathe_2016 . I'm glad Marter agrees. Looks to be worth watching and I hope to see it soon. It will be a hoot to see Stephen Lang. Funny, I think he started in movies playing wimps. Then came Avatar.

Hey Marty

Marter:
Don't Breathe is another really solid horror movie in 2016. What is going on?

Does The Witch count as 2016? Can't remember when the festival run ended and the theatrical push started. Only other "horror" film I can think of from 2016 was The Neon Demon and... that's the first NWR movie I just straight up didn't like. Pity, it's such a pretty film.

As for Don't Breathe, I'm pleasantly surprised that most of the things people in this thread are worried about are really non-issues due to the writing. The film finds a way to make most of the protagonists sympathetic, even if we know they're doing something completely unjustifiable. Yeah, the wigger kid is pretty awful - but sometimes awful people are necessary to tell a compelling story.

Going any further is entering blatant spoiler territory, so I may as well dive in...

It's not something that's easy to emulate or has that many layers to pick apart. It's not exactly a franchise waiting to happen either, so I don't imagine it'll get as much attention a few months from now. All the same, it's a very well made film and I'm glad to see it getting both the critical and box-office reaction it deserves.

UberGott:
Does The Witch count as 2016? Can't remember when the festival run ended and the theatrical push started. Only other "horror" film I can think of from 2016 was The Neon Demon and... that's the first NWR movie I just straight up didn't like. Pity, it's such a pretty film.

I really like The Neon Demon, so I'd count it. It was very divisive, though, so I'd understand if you wouldn't want to.

The other ones I'm talking about are: The VVitch (Feb. release), The Conjuring 2, Lights Out, and The Shallows. And if you count Netflix, Hush was solid. Critical and audience consensus agrees on all of those, I believe.

We still have Blair Witch, Ouija 2, Rings, Incarnate, Keep Watching, and The Bye Bye Man. Granted, it's likely only 1 or 2 of those are any good, but that'd still make it 7-8 solid widely released horror movies in a year, which is far more than usual.

First I'm hearing of The Shallows - how the heck did this fly under my radar? Thanks Marter!

 

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