There's Now Credible Evidence of Alien Intelligence - But Are We Ready For It?"

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There's Now Credible Evidence of Alien Intelligence - But Are We Ready For It?"

This has been a tremendous month in news regarding that age old question of "Are we alone in the universe?"

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I try to stay on top of the scene with the guys at Mysterious Universe, but this must have slipped through the cracks on me. Thanks for the read!

I'm still sceptical on this, but I really hope that it's true. I'd love to see contact with other sapient species in my lifetime.

Okay, so I think saying that intelligent life exists somewhere out there in the universe is a given. There's so much space out there. Even if the odds of intelligent life arising elsewhere is a fraction of a half of a percent, that means there will be at least one intelligent species per galaxy.

Now, that brings us to the question of if there is intelligent life in our galaxy? Maybe. Has it visited us? Possible, but not entirely likely.

I'm all too willing to say there is other life in our galaxy. It may not be much more than bacteria, but could be as complex (and even as intelligent) as a dog or ape. I don't think this is controversial.

The 200 stars with odd light patterns I find suspect. That seems like a lot of life out there. Way more than I would reasonably expect, unless they were colonized worlds. And the Dyson Sphere theory seems questionable. Especially without a way to actually confirm it. Radio signal, for example.

The emails don't sound that convincing, either. It sounds like two people who believe in intelligent life discussing the possibility of it being confirmed. Not actually discussing revealing that. Far from damning as it were.

I want to clarify. I'm the type that wants to believe. I just know better than to get my hopes up. What you imagine will almost certainly be far better than reality.

I wanted to believe every part of this until I have to acknowledge Hillary Clinton, Reality TV, & X-Files. If it was going to become this bizarre it might as well have stated Donald Trump poisoned Flint Michigan's water in hopes to assimilate the population into his orange army.

I'm afraid I fall into the group of people who won't believe in aliens until I see hardcore proof. And I mean something along the lines of finding some sort of structure that clearly wasn't built by humans, or constructed by nature's randomness. Or some sort of transmission. Or bodies. Or aliens doing exactly that: landing in front of the U.N.

There's a lot of stuff in our galaxy alone that science is still just now discovering, let alone trying to figure out how it works. So yeah, I'm not chalking this up to aliens just yet. More in line of, "We have no idea what's causing this because it's happening outside of our current understanding of science."

Lack of a known explanation is not "Credible Evidence of Alien Intelligence".

It's one credible theory, for now, not evidence.

Seeing something you don't understand and claiming it's mere existence as evidence of your theory is the foundation of religion, not science.

You'd need a hell of a lot more data than "it's getting dimmer faster than we can explain" to actually call it evidence of a dyson sphere or similar.

That said, I'd certainly like to think it's aliens, but let's not be getting ahead of ourselves.

Sniper Team 4:
I'm afraid I fall into the group of people who won't believe in aliens until I see hardcore proof. And I mean something along the lines of finding some sort of structure that clearly wasn't built by humans, or constructed by nature's randomness. Or some sort of transmission. Or bodies. Or aliens doing exactly that: landing in front of the U.N.

There's a lot of stuff in our galaxy alone that science is still just now discovering, let alone trying to figure out how it works. So yeah, I'm not chalking this up to aliens just yet. More in line of, "We have no idea what's causing this because it's happening outside of our current understanding of science."

Thank you for speaking up. For the record, I see nothing wrong with having sceptical approach to these matters. Critical thinking is a wonderful skill to develop in life! I'm just excited for what happens next.

We have two tings here: evidence of a couple of overly credulous people and evidence that a number of astronomers didn't bother to learn the history of their discipline. Did we learn nothing from Galileo? We see a number of phenomena that our standing theories can't readily explain, so we bypass the possibility that this is just something we haven't seen before? Scientific infallibility is ultimately an absurd idea, but a sound enough one for the time being. Scientist infallibility is something else altogether. And if it is the Earth that moves as it orbits the sun, why is there no parallax shift in the stars?

Look, the possibility of other life out there is basically a sure thing. But to assume that it's come to Earth (in our species' lifetime), gone unnoticed, translated our language, determined which country is the best to make contact with and made contact with only that country, beggars belief. To assume every natural astronomical possibility is in the list of stuff we've imagined is, if anything, even stupider.

Saltyk:
Okay, so I think saying that intelligent life exists somewhere out there in the universe is a given. There's so much space out there. Even if the odds of intelligent life arising elsewhere is a fraction of a half of a percent, that means there will be at least one intelligent species per galaxy.

Now, that brings us to the question of if there is intelligent life in our galaxy? Maybe. Has it visited us? Possible, but not entirely likely.

I'm all too willing to say there is other life in our galaxy. It may not be much more than bacteria, but could be as complex (and even as intelligent) as a dog or ape. I don't think this is controversial.

The 200 stars with odd light patterns I find suspect. That seems like a lot of life out there. Way more than I would reasonably expect, unless they were colonized worlds. And the Dyson Sphere theory seems questionable. Especially without a way to actually confirm it. Radio signal, for example.

The emails don't sound that convincing, either. It sounds like two people who believe in intelligent life discussing the possibility of it being confirmed. Not actually discussing revealing that. Far from damning as it were.

I want to clarify. I'm the type that wants to believe. I just know better than to get my hopes up. What you imagine will almost certainly be far better than reality.

I understand your caution, but regarding the SDSS findings, it seems like the insinuation is that they are colonized worlds, since the bursts are time synchronized. I hope it's a chemical anomaly, because an alien race with that many colonies seems like one we'd rather not make contact with.

m00se:

I understand your caution, but regarding the SDSS findings, it seems like the insinuation is that they are colonized worlds, since the bursts are time synchronized. I hope it's a chemical analogy, because an alien race with that many colonies seems like one we'd rather not make contact with.

I share your concern

Any race with 200+ colonies would pretty much need FTL or be so alien that we would have no common ground with them. Hell with 200+ colonies and no FTL they would have next to nothing in common with each other.

Also "humanity" is never going to be ready for extraterrestrial life. NEVER. Vast swathes of the planet are still theocracies and murder for "Insert Deity Here." Although technological change has increased leisure time and available resources so that western societies can pretended to be peaceful and understanding, our fundamental nature hasn't changed.

It's not even a question of violence. As a whole, humanity would respond to ET with fear, hate, complacency, curiosity, greed and stupidity. People really underestimate how alien an alien race could actually be.

I don't know about the dyson sphere, seeing as the immense amount of materials it would require is absurd to the point that I'd have to call it total bull, rather than an actual possibility.

As for whether we're alone in the universe - We're not. If we actually were, I'd be inclined to believe in God.

Whatever evidence there is of ET's would be nice to hear about. As for whether we're ready or not, it doesn't matter, no one is coming by in our lifetimes so it doesn't really matter. If alien life should one day visit Earth, the possibility of that being in curriculums and it being accepted as a given reasonable outcome would be a good thing, so that humanity is at least psychologically prepared in some way.

Sadly, I think the only meetings will happen through self-sufficient generational ships/arcologies as warp and similar FTL travel methods will likely never exist. I find it more likely that life will have to evolve to be something else than coherent atoms for that to happen, like some sort of tachyon transcendence.

"There's Now Credible Evidence of Alien Intelligence"

Is anyone remotely surprised that that is completely untrue? Anyone?

Recusant:
We have two tings here: evidence of a couple of overly credulous people and evidence that a number of astronomers didn't bother to learn the history of their discipline.

I think it's more a problem with certain article and headline writers, not so much the astronomers. As far as I can tell the general scientific consensus seems to be that "we don't know", "could be aliens" and "quite unlikely to actually be aliens".

Interesting read, though a bit heavy on the Xfiles comparrisons. A lot of people are omitting the fact that, while astronomy is a science yet to be mastered and the proof based on it is light in context, government officials , especially high ranking ones, are a different matter altogether.

I think the bigger question is not "if alien life exists", but "has alien life made contact with us already and what is our relationship with them".

Thaluikhain:
"There's Now Credible Evidence of Alien Intelligence"

Is anyone remotely surprised that that is completely untrue? Anyone?

Evidence does not necessarily equal proof. Think of it as indications instead.

Smilomaniac:
As for whether we're alone in the universe - We're not. If we actually were, I'd be inclined to believe in God.

Smilomaniac:
Evidence does not necessarily equal proof. Think of it as indications instead.

But why would you be inclined to believe in a god without evidence? There is no actual evidence for gods. Just a bunch of claims that people make declaring it to be evidence. Even if somehow anyone proved intelligent life somewhere else all that would happen is reinforcing the god of the gaps argument.

Jacked Assassin:

Smilomaniac:
As for whether we're alone in the universe - We're not. If we actually were, I'd be inclined to believe in God.

Smilomaniac:
Evidence does not necessarily equal proof. Think of it as indications instead.

But why would you be inclined to believe in a god without evidence? There is no actual evidence for gods. Just a bunch of claims that people make declaring it to be evidence. Even if somehow anyone proved intelligent life somewhere else all that would happen is reinforcing the god of the gaps argument.

The first quote was to establish how absurd it would be if we were in fact the only civilization in the universe, to the point that a god existing would make some sense (I obviously don't believe in god).
The second quote was in response to a person calling out the clickbait title, where I attempted to clarify that evidence is not the same as proof, even if they're often used interchangably. So while there is no proof of alien intelligence, there are indications that they may indeed be out there as this opinion piece explains.

Stupidity:
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Also "humanity" is never going to be ready for extraterrestrial life. NEVER. Vast swathes of the planet are still theocracies and murder for "Insert Deity Here." Although technological change has increased leisure time and available resources so that western societies can pretended to be peaceful and understanding, our fundamental nature hasn't changed.

It's not even a question of violence. As a whole, humanity would respond to ET with fear, hate, complacency, curiosity, greed and stupidity. People really underestimate how alien an alien race could actually be.

It's probably true we, as we are, are not ready for the third contact. We're still a specie in infancy, a humble step to something greater. We might need some more time to cure all the little flaws in our brain (mainly religion, as it encompasses all issues in our current cognitive abilities), and become the next humanity worthy of alien interest. Let alone accept a floating radioemitter dumpbag as our new CEO.

That being said, you hugely underestimate our propency to turn anything into an object of sexual desire. From Kirk's going into no male has gone before, to rule 34, furries, cloppers and Mass Effect horny fanarts, there are already many places for openmindness toward alien intercourses...
As long as the aliens in question are as reproduction-driven as we are, a common ground is already etablished.

Guys guys...what if humans were the aliens all along?!

The universe is too big of a place for us to be the only life out there, but I'm not going to walk around yelling that aliens are coming from planet x.

Thaluikhain:
"There's Now Credible Evidence of Alien Intelligence"

Is anyone remotely surprised that that is completely untrue? Anyone?

Neither am I remotely surprised that The Escapist is now the home to conspiracy theorists and the overly credulous.

I mean this

Finally, the Sloan Digital Sky Survey (SDSS) ran a Fourier transform analysis of over 2.5 million stars and found 234 of them to display light similar in nature to our lasers.

Does not, under any definition of any words known to man or gods, lead to this

This discovery verifies a prediction made in 2012 that such patterns would be used by extraterrestrial races to communicate with distant planets.

Don Incognito:

Thaluikhain:
"There's Now Credible Evidence of Alien Intelligence"

Is anyone remotely surprised that that is completely untrue? Anyone?

Neither am I remotely surprised that The Escapist is now the home to conspiracy theorists and the overly credulous.

I mean this

Finally, the Sloan Digital Sky Survey (SDSS) ran a Fourier transform analysis of over 2.5 million stars and found 234 of them to display light similar in nature to our lasers.

Does not, under any definition of any words known to man or gods, lead to this

This discovery verifies a prediction made in 2012 that such patterns would be used by extraterrestrial races to communicate with distant planets.

As I've read through the comments, there are a variety of views expressed, some are on board, some remain cautious, and others (like you) seem to have a reactionary stance. For the record, there was a prediction made by a scientist in 2012 of extraterrestrial behavior that fits this recent discovery like a glove. Stating that does not mean I am jumping to conclusions or clutching at straws.

The whole point of the article is that a number of credible scientists are being led further and further towards a conclusion of alien activity because other explanations have either been eliminated, or are just as dubious as the ETI theories.

What is your personal belief regarding ETI? I'm curious. I know there are more discoveries to be made before "running victory laps and opening champaign bottles". I wrote that in the article. That is not the issue.

The issue is whether these three different steps of progress which have unfolded this month will really matter in the minds of the public. For some, absolutely, for others maybe one day, and for still others never. That dynamic is the point.

Confirmation bias has a lot to do with how you will approach new information, one way or another.

Maybe it's a Dyson Sphere, maybe it's just a dust cloud with a few big rocks in it.

Smilomaniac:

Thaluikhain:
"There's Now Credible Evidence of Alien Intelligence"

Is anyone remotely surprised that that is completely untrue? Anyone?

Evidence does not necessarily equal proof. Think of it as indications instead.

Thank you! The difference between the "evidence" this post points out and the "proof" that some commenters think I claim is ENORMOUS! I appreciate you pointing out that distinction.

mtarzaim02:

Stupidity:
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Also "humanity" is never going to be ready for extraterrestrial life. NEVER. Vast swathes of the planet are still theocracies and murder for "Insert Deity Here." Although technological change has increased leisure time and available resources so that western societies can pretended to be peaceful and understanding, our fundamental nature hasn't changed.

It's not even a question of violence. As a whole, humanity would respond to ET with fear, hate, complacency, curiosity, greed and stupidity. People really underestimate how alien an alien race could actually be.

It's probably true we, as we are, are not ready for the third contact. We're still a specie in infancy, a humble step to something greater. We might need some more time to cure all the little flaws in our brain (mainly religion, as it encompasses all issues in our current cognitive abilities), and become the next humanity worthy of alien interest. Let alone accept a floating radioemitter dumpbag as our new CEO.

That being said, you hugely underestimate our propency to turn anything into an object of sexual desire. From Kirk's going into no male has gone before, to rule 34, furries, cloppers and Mass Effect horny fanarts, there are already many places for openmindness toward alien intercourses...
As long as the aliens in question are as reproduction-driven as we are, a common ground is already etablished.

ROFL! So true!

mtarzaim02:

It's probably true we, as we are, are not ready for the third contact. We're still a specie in infancy, a humble step to something greater. We might need some more time to cure all the little flaws in our brain (mainly religion, as it encompasses all issues in our current cognitive abilities), and become the next humanity worthy of alien interest. Let alone accept a floating radioemitter dumpbag as our new CEO.

That being said, you hugely underestimate our propency to turn anything into an object of sexual desire. From Kirk's going into no male has gone before, to rule 34, furries, cloppers and Mass Effect horny fanarts, there are already many places for openmindness toward alien intercourses...
As long as the aliens in question are as reproduction-driven as we are, a common ground is already established.

The whole, humanity is a caterpillar just waiting to become a butterfly falsehood just pisses me off so much. We are what we are, evolution does not make things "Better" it just adapts them to the current environment. And even then it still does so only when the last generation is in the ground.

I have a very healthy respect for rule 34. Asexuality, cloning and seasonal reproduction are all things however. No reason to believe an alien species would have less than three sexual partners or more than one to reproduce. Also no reason to believe they "got it on" more often than a Vulcan does.

Hell, they might reproduce like the creatures from the movie, Alien (Based off real Earth animals). Even the human race would have trouble finding that sexy.

m00se:
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The problem, moose, is that saying that stars emitting laser-like light is confirmation of alien intelligence communicating with distant planets.

It is no such thing.

It COULD be that. It could be a natural phenomenon. It could be any of a number of things. But until we learn that it is actually long-distance communication by alien beings, it is 100% NOT confirmation of long-distance communication by alien beings.

I strongly believe intelligent alien life exists, FWIW.

Don Incognito:

m00se:
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The problem, moose, is that saying that stars emitting laser-like light is confirmation of alien intelligence communicating with distant planets.

It is no such thing.

It COULD be that. It could be a natural phenomenon. It could be any of a number of things. But until we learn that it is actually long-distance communication by alien beings, it is 100% NOT confirmation of long-distance communication by alien beings.

I strongly believe intelligent alien life exists, FWIW.

It could be a limited number of things. The point I made is that more and more possibilities are being eliminated as the findings are studied. One such possibility is ETI. However, this article isn't about just one bit of news in the matter, but three simultaneously unfolding news stories. So from my viewpoint you are using the introductory sentences about one of these issues and presenting that as the entirety of my argument, which simply isn't the case. All I'm doing is sharing the opinions of trained professionals, not sculpting a mountain out of mashed potatoes. You want to dismiss it, that's your choice. I am very excited about how all these matters will develop in the near future, though.

Stupidity:
It's not even a question of violence. As a whole, humanity would respond to ET with fear, hate, complacency, curiosity, greed and stupidity. People really underestimate how alien an alien race could actually be.

That's pretty much what Arthur C Clarke wrote in 2001. People are wholly unprepared to even learn of this.
On the other hand, even if I'm sure there would be violent reactions from some religious nuts, it would also mean their religious nuttiness would only last a generation. After the initial outburst of a few years, their religious basis would soon disappear and be severely tamed to accommodate the new situation.

m00se:
I hope it's a chemical analogy, because an alien race with that many colonies seems like one we'd rather not make contact with.

Could be an alliance of various species, like Star Trek or Mass Effect.

Stupidity:
Also no reason to believe they "got it on" more often than a Vulcan does.

Yeah, Jared Diamond seems to be pretty much of the opinion that humans are the horniest species around, which could be the main explanation for its success - ability and will to reproduce constantly ensures a lot of offspring compared to many species who can only reproduce a tiny part of the year or of their lifespan.

Sniper Team 4:
I'm afraid I fall into the group of people who won't believe in aliens until I see hardcore proof. And I mean something along the lines of finding some sort of structure that clearly wasn't built by humans, or constructed by nature's randomness. Or some sort of transmission. Or bodies. Or aliens doing exactly that: landing in front of the U.N.

There's a lot of stuff in our galaxy alone that science is still just now discovering, let alone trying to figure out how it works. So yeah, I'm not chalking this up to aliens just yet. More in line of, "We have no idea what's causing this because it's happening outside of our current understanding of science."

While I'm pretty open to (and a little scared of) the idea, I'm mostly there with you.
While I can't think of any examples off the top of my head, I'm sure there's been plenty of things that happened that we were all "Aliens! Wait, no."
It's like the term UFO itself, Unidentified Flying Object. It doesn't mean aliens, something's flyin' around we don't know what it is but we like to imagine.
I expect this to go the same way, I'm expecting a reasonable explanation once more evidence comes to light of what's goin' on. Not gonna rule out aliens, I'm just sayin' I'll be pretty surprised if that's the case.

Even if aliens are out there and intelligent and interested in communicating and still around after the thousands of years it took the light to get to us there's still the bigger question of 'is there any way for them to get to us or us to them?' Otherwise we might as well just be two people on deserted islands flicking flashlights at each other.

I feel like even definitive proof of aliens is going to be much more 'huh, cool' than 'world changing', like finding dinosaur fossils for the first time.

Stupidity:
Also "humanity" is never going to be ready for extraterrestrial life. NEVER. Vast swathes of the planet are still theocracies and murder for "Insert Deity Here." Although technological change has increased leisure time and available resources so that western societies can pretended to be peaceful and understanding, our fundamental nature hasn't changed.

And what part of that precludes being able to meet extraterrestrial life? What makes you think space-going species wouldn't be just as bad as humans, if not worse? Because, if I recall correctly, the vast majority of our space advances (and most technological advances) come about as a direct result of competing factions - the cold war, WW2 rocketry, etc. Peaceful utopian societies wouldn't have the same motivation to do useful stuff.

Smilomaniac:

Thaluikhain:
"There's Now Credible Evidence of Alien Intelligence"

Is anyone remotely surprised that that is completely untrue? Anyone?

Evidence does not necessarily equal proof. Think of it as indications instead.

The "indications" this article provides is that a former astronaut (Edgar Mitchell), who is also a long time UFO conspiracy believer and believes in ESP, contacted Podesta in order to discuss the possibility that the US government was withholding evidence of contact with ETs. The second mail goes on to suggest that he, Mitchell, and people he works with are in contact with alien beings to bring Zero Point Energy to earth. But only on the condition that no war on earth or in space take place, because the aliens hate war.

The other indication is the most far-fetched and least plausible explanation for the irregularity of light emission from one particular star. The leading explanation at the moment instead suggests cold comet fragments in an eccentric orbit. The whole "Aliens using laser to communicate" theory is also brought down by the fact that there's a lack of infrared light and early radio recon suggests a lack of technological radio transmissions.

So, just by going to Wikipedia I could tell that this entire article was nothing but a UFO conspiracy nut spouting nonsense and selectively interpreting actual scientific data to push a flawed interpretation. I thought the Escapist had gotten rid of its' trashy, unscientific "science" articles?

Catnip1024:

And what part of that precludes being able to meet extraterrestrial life? What makes you think space-going species wouldn't be just as bad as humans, if not worse? Because, if I recall correctly, the vast majority of our space advances (and most technological advances) come about as a direct result of competing factions - the cold war, WW2 rocketry, etc. Peaceful utopian societies wouldn't have the same motivation to do useful stuff.

My point wasn't that we shouldn't contact alien life, it was that until we do, no amount of time or social change is going to make contact a neat and tidy affair. The whole "are we ready for alien contact" question is pointless.

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