Ghost in the Shell - Hollow, Soulless, a Shell, etc.

Ghost in the Shell - Hollow, Soulless, a Shell, etc.

Ghost in the Shell can't even come close to living up to the previous movie.

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I suspect the author of the article has seen the movie, but if someone asked me to write a review without actually have seen it, I'd imagine it'd come out much like this. Maybe I'm psychic.

Admittedly, I'd not known it was by the same director as Snow White and the Huntsmen...I guess the scandal was him having sex with Kirsten Stewart?

Ex Machina wasn't that good of a movie. In fact, I'd say it was downright bad. The ending made no sense considering the android had to "constantly recharge her batteries"; if the movie continued on for 30 more seconds it would show her shutting down and falling over in that crowd of people.

I take offence, literal offence at the suggestion to watch 'Under The Skin'. Godawful waste of time that was.

Okay, let's address the elephant in the room. How do you all feel about the white washing aspect of the movie?

Especially when

Loop Stricken:
I take offence, literal offence at the suggestion to watch 'Under The Skin'. Godawful waste of time that was.

Under the Skin is a pretty interesting film. I'd certainly rather watch it again than the original Ghost in the Shell.

09philj:

Loop Stricken:
I take offence, literal offence at the suggestion to watch 'Under The Skin'. Godawful waste of time that was.

Under the Skin is a pretty interesting film. I'd certainly rather watch it again than the original Ghost in the Shell.

If each shot was literally half the length it actually is, maybe. It would've made a good 40min episode of The Outer Limits, but for a film it's just needlessly lengthy.

Burnouts3s3:
Okay, let's address the elephant in the room. How do you all feel about the white washing aspect of the movie?

Especially when

oh get over it already. Only people who don't understand the franchise think that and the creator gave the thumbs up at her casting choice. If your bothered by it so much then don't watch it and stop looking for petty fights on behalf of other people who don't give a fuck.

Burnouts3s3:
Okay, let's address the elephant in the room. How do you all feel about the white washing aspect of the movie?

Especially when

I'm increasingly convinced the "whitewashing" in this film was done on purpose to farm controversy, the same way Ghostbusters tried to controversy-farm with the "anti-SJew" crowd, this movie is doing the same with the other side. It's increasingly obvious due to how "self-aware" they were within the movie and threw in that twist, not as a way to excuse themselves from the whitewashing but as a way to keep stirring the internet pot. People like Veldie above me get mad that other people get mad at the film, and suddenly it becomes a "culture war" film, something you either have to defend or denigrate depending on your political stance, which is... well, fucking sickening if you're asking me.

It's basically a form of a high-tech Hollwood trolling to try to turn shitty, half-assed movie reboots like GitS and Ghostbusters into hits rather than bombs. The numbers are still early but it appears this GitS is not doing great at the box office, and currently has a worse RT score than The Boss Baby. That's the good news, that this strategy probably isn't enough to make a film successful. Turns out not that many people actually care about this shit.

In any case, it's certainly no surprise the movie is bad. The funny thing is they probably could have just done a shot-for-shot remake of the original without all the robot nipples (and maybe without the child sexbot at the end) and I probably would have seen it, ScarJo playing some honky cyborg or no. It probably also would have been a decent movie. Maybe.

Well, I suppose I should be glad after all that I dodged this bullet, even if the dodging part was on a negative note.

What's that? Hollywood took on a slightly more complex than average premise and over-simplified it to insulting levels? You do surprise me.

Burnouts3s3:
Okay, let's address the elephant in the room. How do you all feel about the white washing aspect of the movie?

Especially when

Seriously? You think that the the significant problem with this movie is the race of the actors casted to play characters?

It was doomed from the get-go, it was never going to be more than a disappointment, there is literally no point having the whitewashing debate over this one. There's no ditch to die in here, just a slight depression (boom, wordplay).

I don't really have anything relevant to add, I just wanted to say that this guy looks like he has googly eyes glued to his face.
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Can't unsee.

hittite:
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Can't unsee.

I'm sure he can unsee though. But I doubt it's very hard since he probably can't see much of anything through those pinholes.

Deathfish15:
Ex Machina wasn't that good of a movie. In fact, I'd say it was downright bad. The ending made no sense considering the android had to "constantly recharge her batteries"; if the movie continued on for 30 more seconds it would show her shutting down and falling over in that crowd of people.

Damn, I was swooped. Also, this story has been done a 1000 times before, most of the time way better (even in TV shows)

I saw it on a free screening on Wednesday, and I think the visuals and sound were the high points. Like the closest we'll get to a Deus Ex movie.

Just watch the original. Or The Matrix. Or Ex Machina. Or Under the Skin.

Ouch, even Ex Machina is better then this to the point of being recommended? That's got to sting.

I also found it strange that the Major gets overpowered so often.
For all the "Perfect weapon, one of a kind killing machine!!!" talk.

It would make sense in the original more though because her cyborg body is apparently an entry level model with a few enhancements.

It feels that in the end though the movie got Hollywood-ed to me.
Bit disappointing.

Eh, Mark Kermode was positive enough about it, so I'm sold on seeing it. There's nothing wrong with what's ostensibly Johansson cosplaying in a live-action quasi-remake/homage. It's not as if high budget cyberpunk films with female leads are overly common. The original isn't going to vanish because this exists, either, and more people may be introduced to the '95 version or/and the IP beyond, so I hope it does well.

And I'm beginning to see Marter's variously bitter grumblings as a sign that I'll like a film, so this bodes well, maybe...

Wow! A Hollywood blockbuster remake that has put more into CG and overpaying actors than actual plot or depth, maybe even trying to do something interesting with the IP?

COLOUR ME SURPRISED

... Under the Skin has been on my watchlist, I really should get around to it, but I've still gotta finish Come and See first.

It was decent. Nothing wrongg with it as an intro for a series.

"looks pretty but is emotionally and intellectually vapid."
"Visually stunning but with nothing else going for it"

Sad to say, this feels like SarJo's WHOLE CAREER.

I've yet to see her go past the whole 'Keanu Reeves' level of emotional acting.
Don't get me wrong.
She's pretty and she can do nice looking action scenes, but that's about it.

Her best films are when she's saying little, looking pretty while bouncing around like an 80s action star.

Anytime she tries to do anything 'deep' or that requires more than three emotions...she fails.

But, hey, at least it's not as bad as Avatar:TLA's movie...right?

so far i heard mixed reviews of it. also i expected it not to be great. but im still going to watch it once i have finally my time off.

Burnouts3s3:
Okay, let's address the elephant in the room. How do you all feel about the white washing aspect of the movie?

Especially when

Meh, I don't see the point of it. What does it add to her character? I guess literally nothing.

I guess it was just a late-production adition to make the movie somehow closer to the original, though it feel like a cheap cop-out attempt. "No, guys, come on, she is still Motoko, we are keeping it pure".

Look, either don't change anything significant or at the very least stick to your guns.

I mean, if it was clever, or added something to the story besides "the tech in this world is WHACK, YO!", then it would've been fine. As it is? Not really.

I made peace with the idea of ScarJo as the Major, indeed I felt the direction they took of her being a Japanese woman who was placed in a cybernetic body was consistent with in-universe behaviour there was something I heard about in a few reviews - spoilers below:

What the fuck is that nonsense?

I mean I had other minor complaints like that Section 9 is no longer a law enforcement arm of the Japanese government but now basically Japan's answer to Blackwater, and for some ungodly reason Togusa is being played by an actor who is in his late 40s when he's supposed to be more than a decade younger with a young wife and child. Like those both suck but I could have cast those aside but the above item? What the fuck?

So, from what I've read, it looks like they took the 95 movie, appended part of the Plot Arc from SAC and the anti-hero/anti-villain Kuze from 2nd Gig and invented yet another origin story for the Major that apparently seemed a lot more clever in the writers brain then it actually was, creating a big mess of everything.

Gotcha. Don't need to bother with it.

Gordon_4:
I made peace with the idea of ScarJo as the Major, indeed I felt the direction they took of her being a Japanese woman who was placed in a cybernetic body was consistent with in-universe behaviour there was something I heard about in a few reviews - spoilers below:

What the fuck is that nonsense?

I mean I had other minor complaints like that Section 9 is no longer a law enforcement arm of the Japanese government but now basically Japan's answer to Blackwater, and for some ungodly reason Togusa is being played by an actor who is in his late 40s when he's supposed to be more than a decade younger with a young wife and child. Like those both suck but I could have cast those aside but the above item? What the fuck?

Having seen it, I think Section 9 is still at least a semi-government agency, given that Aramaki has fairly easy access to the Prime Minister of the country, and during the Geisha sequence, everyone (Except the Major) are wearing police vests.

Wait, you mean this is a real movie? I thought it was a joke based on the trailers. Who the hell would actually WANT to see this stupid movie? Of course it's terrible.

Thaluikhain:
I guess the scandal was him having sex with Kirsten Stewart?

Somebody had sex with Kristen Stewart, like, on purpose?

There is no amount of alcohol in the world that can get you a pass on that one. I bet his wiener fell off after, and that's why he makes shitty movies.

Just gross all around; not like I needed another reason not to see this movie....

Can't agree with most of this thread or the review.

I had fun at this. It had an adult tone to it, was a hoot to look at; just so much to recommend it.

I can understand a major problem with it: it came out 22 years ago and ideas it offered have since been ripped off a million times over. It was an original that no longer feels original.

But judge the movie you saw: I haven't seen an anime turned into a movie that felt so evocative of the genre before in my life.

It bogged some in the final act and the visuals stopped being mind blowing but so much else worked.

I am a bit worried for ScarJo. I understand she was acting the part but have to wonder if she can put more personality in her performances. Closest I've seen is a tiny bit of humor in Cap. movies. As it is, the funnest performance in the movie for me was Pilou Asbaek as Batou. Fun character well done. She let him steal the show.

But at this point: Hope Akira is not far behind this release. Too much fun.

Veldie:

Burnouts3s3:
Okay, let's address the elephant in the room. How do you all feel about the white washing aspect of the movie?

Especially when

oh get over it already. Only people who don't understand the franchise think that and the creator gave the thumbs up at her casting choice. If your bothered by it so much then don't watch it and stop looking for petty fights on behalf of other people who don't give a fuck.

Asking a honest question about a controversial move is picking a fight? Pot...kettle.

Jiub:
Wait, you mean this is a real movie? I thought it was a joke based on the trailers. Who the hell would actually WANT to see this stupid movie? Of course it's terrible.

Thaluikhain:
I guess the scandal was him having sex with Kirsten Stewart?

Somebody had sex with Kristen Stewart, like, on purpose?

There is no amount of alcohol in the world that can get you a pass on that one. I bet his wiener fell off after, and that's why he makes shitty movies.

Just gross all around; not like I needed another reason not to see this movie....

I think she was also still supposed to be having sex with RPatt instead, cause they needed to be like their characters from Twilight.

Personally, I don't see what's so wrong with her, except for being in Twilight, bad acting and doing that thing where she's always got her mouth slightly open. And a few iffy statements to the media, IIRC.

Burnouts3s3:

Especially when

I have always felt movies like this(A movie that is a remake or adapted from a popular series that a majority of people are not familiar with.) should have two reviewers. One, who is a fan or at least familiar with the original source of the material, and someone else who have never seen or read the previous materials that the new movie is based on. I am someone who haven't seen any Ghost In The Shell movies, manga, or anime series. I really like this movie. It looked great. The story was straight-forward without being over-simplistic. The acting was really good. Scarlett Johansson had a challenging role of portraying emotion while still being a robot. She was really limited physically. Yet, she was able to pull it off.

To all the detractors out there, which version of Ghost In The Shell I should check out to truly the deeper and more complex version of this movie?

KissingSunlight:
Scarlett Johansson had a challenging role of portraying emotion while still being a robot.

I'm not quite sure that came out the way you wanted it to come out. XD

Pyrian:

KissingSunlight:
Scarlett Johansson had a challenging role of portraying emotion while still being a robot.

I'm not quite sure that came out the way you wanted it to come out. XD

Point taken. However, I still stand by that sentence. It does make sense, in the context, that I was referring to her portraying a robot in this movie.

 

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