Sims 3 Leaked Online

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Hmmm. Not really sure how much this will affect EA's sales, but it can't be a good thing. Although honestly I don't see the target audience as being particularly tech-savvy and/or caring enough to bother with such things as Torrent Software. I could be wrong though, and I probably am, but I hope for EA's sake I'm not.

sneakypenguin:

scotth266:

Ragdrazi:
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You know what? When you typed the sentence that said: Pirated copies != lost sales, you lost what little credibility I had given you.

That's a blatant bit of silliness. I mean, really now. How can pirated copies not equal lost sales? It just doesn't make sense from a buisness perspective.

Heh, "but they weren't gonna buy it anyway", I hate that line drives me nuts, if your not gonna buy it then you have no right to possess it. But people who steal things will do anything to justify it, be it though some asinine IP or ownership argument or say it's cause of DRM or "demo".

Thank god, someone that makes sense, someone that understands. It's been madness here, I tell you...

Serves EA right for being fucking liars and shipping this game with Securom despite loudly proclaiming that they didn't.

This wouldn't have happened if they made Mario.

PeaceFistCreations:

Hithlain:

ExaltedK9:
how depressing...

I agree. I know the world is filled with all sorts of people, but really. It takes a jerk to pirate games. Whatever happened to supporting things we liked with our money?

You don't have to be evil to be cheap or want free stuff.
It is a shame people steal things, but this particular situation isn't much to fret over. EA will still make tons of money with this game no matter what.

You don't have to be evil to be cheap or want free stuff, no. But doing something about it like pirating the game? Yeah, that makes you a big fat jerk. Yes, EA will make pots of cash from The Sims 3, but that doesn't give anyone the justification for stealing.

Why would people want to pirate games made by EA?
Seriously, if you're going to pirate a game, pirate a GOOD game!

Asehujiko:
Serves EA right for being fucking liars and shipping this game with Securom despite loudly proclaiming that they didn't.

No, it doesn't. Whatever they are saying or doing, pirating games has nothing to do with protesting against DRM but with breaking laws and destroying people's business. Maybe it's not EA that is hurt but the small games shop at the corner who has ordered 50 copies and can't sell them due to illegal copies.

Time for EA to send out online activation copy protection (At least, again. Anyway...)?

Edit: Could just be something simple like asking a web server the date to ensure that the game is only played after the release date

johnman:
The sims 3 will still make enough money to buy half of England

I couldn't have said it better myself :)
+ When you think about how much expansion packs they are going to come out with, in the future, to them this leak is really just a tip of a needle.

Not. Another. SIMS GAME!!!

Ragdrazi:

johnman:
The sims 3 will still make enough money to buy half of England, at work we sold 5 computers in the last month alone with the sole intention of using them to play the sims 3. But its the principle that counts and the pirates are encouraging Ea to use Dracaion DRM by doing this sort of thing. They are greedy twats who will happily undermine the cause they and so many of us have worked on.
But its also obvious there is an insider that Ea need to find and fast.

Now, wait a second. First of all, we all know the Sims will be a major commercial success. But you're saying greedy pirates are encouraging DRM? Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but DRM writes an image to the disk that prevents the program from being installed more than three times. That does absolutely nothing to prevent piracy, and, instead, it prevents the game from being resold in legitimate second hand game markets. The Sims is going to be a major commercial success, and you're saying they're going to use that success as an excuse to destroy a legitimate market? But... the pirates here are greedy. Explain all this to me, and try to make it make sense this time.

There is more than the one form of DRM, and Ea introduced it to help cut back on piracy, as well as the second hand sales. I dont know how I can make my original post any clearer, and judging for the people I've seen agreeing with me you the only one who didn't understand.

mikecoulter:

piers789:

Simalacrum:

Sparrow Tag:

DamienHell:
Wow, first spore, now this. EA you have a leak

Call the plumber!

wheres Mario when you need him...?

Off saving that bloody princess again...

Oh will he ever learn? Silly Mario :)

We can only hope. At this rate I can picture him in a mental home, in a padded cell, bouncing off the walls and it'd all be because his girlfriends kept getting captured.

Gather:
Time for EA to send out online activation copy protection (At least, again. Anyway...)?

Edit: Could just be something simple like asking a web server the date to ensure that the game is only played after the release date

Problem with that is people find ways around it. Probably every pirated game has a crack and/or explains a way around the registration process. Hard to create a security system when you have hundreds working on breaking it.

The only thing I want to see pirated at the moment is duke nukem forever, at least give us the several duke nukem forever games you almost finished. I should make a thread about that.

Gather:
Could just be something simple like asking a web server the date to ensure that the game is only played after the release date

No way, that happened with steam, i bought saints row 2 for the pc and it was delivered 3 days early, it used steam so it just gave me the codes do download it from steam, it wouldn't let me install it because "this games has not been released in your country" bastards.

Can we put a nail in the coffin of "I ONLY PIRATE TO PUNISH BIG BAD COMPANIES GRR" arguement now?

Ragdrazi:
The idea that a download equals a lost sale is not only unprovable, not only ridiculous, but it is simply not true in the eyes of the law.

*applauds*

Leorex:
yah it is your over inflated sense of entitlement, just because you cant buy it yet dosent give you a free pass.

It is impossible to breach the copyright of something which hasn't been published yet.

What do you mean by "entitlement" and getting a "free pass"? A free pass to what? Something which does not exist in material terms?

How can you get a free pass to something which cannot be bought?

waaah double post

Ragdrazi:

Hithlain:
I'm an economist, so I know firsthand that the information that companies use to determine what games to make next is the PROFIT. Your contribution may be small but you are voting for more of the same with your money. Think of all the lost sales over the years....

As an economist who is opposed to piracy, surely you must also be decrying the terrible effect our public library systems can have on book sales. Surely.

well yes in a way. But think of all the productivity created by the increase in education ;)
My knowledge in exotic fruit has increased exponentially for example!

Hithlain:

Ragdrazi:

Hithlain:
I'm an economist, so I know firsthand that the information that companies use to determine what games to make next is the PROFIT. Your contribution may be small but you are voting for more of the same with your money. Think of all the lost sales over the years....

As an economist who is opposed to piracy, surely you must also be decrying the terrible effect our public library systems can have on book sales. Surely.

well yes in a way. But think of all the productivity created by the increase in education ;)
My knowledge in exotic fruit has increased exponentially for example!

And you're saying such benefits to society are not possible with torrents?

For instance, what if I said that I had just torrented a copy of Adobe Creative Suite for my girlfriend who is entering a graphic design program. That program costs over five hundred dollars at bare minimum, way out of our reach right now. At yet it is required for the class. Instead of forcing her to enter the program without the tools she needed, torrents would have then increased her educational possibilities, would they have not?

TsunamiWombat:
Can we put a nail in the coffin of "I ONLY PIRATE TO PUNISH BIG BAD COMPANIES GRR" arguement now?

Um, no. Perhaps you can say that, provided the individual(s) in question ever made that argument, it is now an invalid argument for them to make. But, then again, EA's commitment to being an evil corporation, regardless of their recent slight change in stance, has still been well established.

johnman:

Ragdrazi:

johnman:
The sims 3 will still make enough money to buy half of England, at work we sold 5 computers in the last month alone with the sole intention of using them to play the sims 3. But its the principle that counts and the pirates are encouraging Ea to use Dracaion DRM by doing this sort of thing. They are greedy twats who will happily undermine the cause they and so many of us have worked on.
But its also obvious there is an insider that Ea need to find and fast.

Now, wait a second. First of all, we all know the Sims will be a major commercial success. But you're saying greedy pirates are encouraging DRM? Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but DRM writes an image to the disk that prevents the program from being installed more than three times. That does absolutely nothing to prevent piracy, and, instead, it prevents the game from being resold in legitimate second hand game markets. The Sims is going to be a major commercial success, and you're saying they're going to use that success as an excuse to destroy a legitimate market? But... the pirates here are greedy. Explain all this to me, and try to make it make sense this time.

There is more than the one form of DRM, and Ea introduced it to help cut back on piracy, as well as the second hand sales. I dont know how I can make my original post any clearer, and judging for the people I've seen agreeing with me you the only one who didn't understand.

Well now, don't get tetchy. While I'm unwilling to get into a pissing match and count, there seem to be just as many people on this thread who agree with me and who agree with you.

As far as I know, there isn't a form of DRM involving games that does not involve the writing of an image to a physical disk, and that is therefor a completely ineffectual form of piracy control.

If you cannot explain to me how Ea (or even EA) is not using their commercial success as an excuse to destroy a legitimate market, then I'm afraid that you have not presented an argument here.

That's the funniest thing I've heard of this year.

Hah, all pirate it, If I'm not mistaken, Will Wright isn't even on the team anymore, so pirate this filthy cash grabber!

In other words, milk the milkers? (that sounded so bad...)

The moment the Sims 3 reaches Israel, I am buying it. EA deserves that money. It is a pity they are denied it by greedy, cheap basterds.

Susan Arendt:

PeaceFistCreations:

Hithlain:

ExaltedK9:
how depressing...

I agree. I know the world is filled with all sorts of people, but really. It takes a jerk to pirate games. Whatever happened to supporting things we liked with our money?

You don't have to be evil to be cheap or want free stuff.
It is a shame people steal things, but this particular situation isn't much to fret over. EA will still make tons of money with this game no matter what.

You don't have to be evil to be cheap or want free stuff, no. But doing something about it like pirating the game? Yeah, that makes you a big fat jerk. Yes, EA will make pots of cash from The Sims 3, but that doesn't give anyone the justification for stealing.

Who? The pirates, who I'd remind you are under the law not capable of being viewed as stealing anything. Or EA, who I'd remind you are using piracy and a leak that they may have in their own company as an excuse to steal from the second hand game market?

You don't have to be evil of cheap to want to read a book for free. But doing something about it like going to the library? Yeah, that makes you a rare and worthwhile person in this day and age, apparently. Seriously, last time I was in a library there were no one there outside of people looking up porn on the computers. Why don't people read more?

(By the by, Miss Arendt, I'm a big fan of your stuff. You have a real understated humor that is simply brilliant. Reminds me of the work of Sarah Haskins. In a perfect world, Yahtzee'd be playing second fiddle.)

Bigfoot_King:
I find it strange how EA are now seen as the good guys since they got rid of there DRM and the priates are back to being evil

I hadn't seen this- an interesting point.

scotth266:

Ragdrazi:
Snip

You know what? When you typed the sentence that said: Pirated copies != lost sales, you lost what little credibility I had given you.

That's a blatant bit of silliness. I mean, really now. How can pirated copies not equal lost sales? It just doesn't make sense from a buisness perspective.

Well, I'd remind you that I wasn't speaking from the buisness (or business even) perspective, but the legal perspective. Don't you think that if you hold the legal standard to be a "blatant bit of silliness" you shouldn't be expressing that idea to me, but, rather, your congressman? Now, the courts all willing to bend over and accept that standard when determining damages. All I'm saying is, it is not a legal standard.

But really, I'm more interested in what you think about the library thing.

Hydrus:

Ragdrazi:
Malygris, your editorial spin is bordering on personal vendetta. But, unfortunately, as much as you'd like to ignore them, you cannot avoid the facts.

Here's a fact for you: piracy is stealing.

And if you're not stealing to eat, then you clearly have an over inflated sense of self entitlement.

Well, one, I have. And two, piracy is, again, not considered stealing in the eyes of the law.

Hankage:

scotth266:

runtheplacered:
Snip.

It's been a while since I read the details of that case, so I'm probably wrong about the numbers. It's still just ridiculous though... I mean, would YOU stick a cup filled with a hot substance betwixt your legs? Especially in a vehicle? It makes no sense whatsoever.

Neither does making coffee so hot that it melts skin. And the vehicle wasn't in motion at the time; she spilled the coffee trying to get the lid off.

She also spilled it between her legs. Between her legs. Yeah, there's a reason the damages in that case were so high. People listened to the McDonald's spin, bought it hook line a'sinker, and proved, once again, that the private sector has much more proficiency at fascist style information control than any government ever could.

In a related story, in any way that actually bears considering, Al Gore actually ~did~ invent the Internet.

Ragdrazi:

Who? The pirates, who I'd remind you are under the law not capable of being viewed as stealing anything. Or EA, who I'd remind you are using piracy and a leak that they may have in their own company as an excuse to steal from the second hand game market?

You don't have to be evil of cheap to want to read a book for free. But doing something about it like going to the library? Yeah, that makes you a rare and worthwhile person in this day and age, apparently. Seriously, last time I was in a library there were no one there outside of people looking up porn on the computers. Why don't people read more?

(By the by, Miss Arendt, I'm a big fan of your stuff. You have a real understated humor that is simply brilliant. Reminds me of the work of Sarah Haskins. In a perfect world, Yahtzee'd be playing second fiddle.)

Libraries exist for the purpose of allowing people to read books for free, so your analogy confuses me. Why don't more people read? I don't know that they don't, but people would increasingly rather than one-click their way through Amazon than visit the local library -- much the same way they'd rather use Netflix or a streaming video service than visit their local video store. It's simply a matter of convenience. And also, people viewing porn in the library is totally ew. (Fun fact - I worked in a library when I was in high school.)

Also, whether they could successfully prosecuted or not, the pirates are stealing. They are taking something that they shouldn't be. If EA has a leak within their own ranks, which this certainly seems to be a case of (wow, that was awful grammar right there), then this might actually be something else entirely. Not piracy for piracy's sake, so to speak, but rather a very person "FU" to the company.

And thank you for the kind words about my work, they are much appreciated.

Ragdrazi:
Snip.

I think that you're wrong, of course. But your arguments against mine weren't the best. Give me a couple of hours: busy.

Malygris:

Ragdrazi:
Malygris, your editorial spin is bordering on personal vendetta. But, unfortunately, as much as you'd like to ignore them, you cannot avoid the facts.

If you can point out to me any major motivations for piracy beyond greed and an overinflated sense of entitlement, go ahead. If not, you're welcome to your opinion but don't expect any credibility to come of it, or that I'll waste my time on it.

I'm afraid, Malygris, that I did provide a major motivation even in the post that you replied to. Please, do not continue to reject the facts of this case out of hand. It's intellectually dishonest, and it's just plain wrong.

Moving on from your distressing puerility for a moment, I'm really more interested in your opinions on patent. Because I find it interesting that you would apply a different standard to that form of intellectual property. I do as well, but I've always found myself finding patent to be the more defensible of the two. What is your opinion on the matter.

scotth266:

Ragdrazi:
Snip.

I think that you're wrong, of course. But your arguments against mine weren't the best. Give me a couple of hours: busy.

Ok. Vice versa about your arguments. I await your rebuttal.

I read about this, Gamefaqs has been swamped with pirates commenting on the forums about the game, apparently.

Ragdrazi:

Well now, don't get tetchy. While I'm unwilling to get into a pissing match and count, there seem to be just as many people on this thread who agree with me and who agree with you.

As far as I know, there isn't a form of DRM involving games that does not involve the writing of an image to a physical disk, and that is therefor a completely ineffectual form of piracy control.

If you cannot explain to me how Ea (or even EA) is not using their commercial success as an excuse to destroy a legitimate market, then I'm afraid that you have not presented an argument here.

DRM can be anything from requiring a serial number to forcing players to register their games and submitting to constant legitiacy tests. Steam for example is a form of DRM, and is seen as being a fairly successfull form at that. And as for the destorying the second hand market, well, no developer will be sad to see it disappear.

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