Jack White and Jimmy Page Don't Like Guitar Hero

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Jack White and Jimmy Page Don't Like Guitar Hero

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Jack White of The White Stripes is no fan of music videogames, describing their popularity as "a little sad," a sentiment echoed by none other than legendary Led Zeppelin guitarist Jimmy Page.

At a press conference for the rock-and-roll documentary It Might Get Loud, set for release in the U.S. later this year, White expressed disdain for music games, saying that while he doesn't particularly care about "which format people should get their music in... if you have to be in a video game to get in front of them, that's a little sad."

"It's depressing to have a label come and tell you that [Guitar Hero] is how kids are learning about music and experiencing music," he added.

Jimmy Page, one of music's most renowned guitarists, shared that sentiment, saying that he "can't imagine" how people learn anything about music by playing videogames. "You think of the drum part that John Bonham did on Led Zeppelin's first track on the first album, 'Good Times Bad Times'," he said. "How many drummers in the world can play that part, let alone on Christmas morning?"

White and Page aren't the only musicians who are less-than-enthusiastic about games like Guitar Hero and Rock Band. Both Oasis lead guitarist Noel Gallagher and Nickelback frontman Chad Kroeger have recently made similar comments of their own, suggesting that videogames are somehow distracting kids from becoming real musicians.

And doesn't it all seem just a wee bit silly? I don't recall ever hearing Michael Schumacher exhorting gamers to strap themselves into real race cars or seeing a press release from Patrick Roy telling kids to put down the controllers and learn how to make a kick save. Yet many musicians behave as if they have to defend themselves and their craft from gamers who are treading on their turf.

I really don't understand that kind of mentality. We know that playing videogames and playing actual musical instruments are completely different things. So what? Sometimes people just want to have a little fun with their friends. You remember "fun," right? It's what rock and roll used to be before everyone got so damned sanctimonious about it.

Source: NME, via Eurogamer

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You heard the man, enough with the fake guitars already.

Malygris:

I really don't understand that kind of mentality. We know that playing videogames and playing actual musical instruments are completely different things. So what? Sometimes people just want to have a little fun with their friends. You remember "fun," right? It's what rock and roll used to be before everyone got so damned sanctimonious about it.

Its true, its all for fun but when people spend their lives perfecting it and posting videos of it on youtube as if it is some sort of achievement, I completely see what the musicians are talking about. Alot of guitar hero gamers seem to think that playing guitar hero and playing guitar are similar.

Mr.Tea:
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Agreed with the message there.
Though as always with CTRL+ALT+DEL, there was no fucking punchline.
What the hell, Buckley?

Anyway, I don't care.
I don't even play those games.
And if I did, I still wouldn't care.

It is a little sad that people are discovering music and these great bands via Guitar Hero. But it's also incredibly fun and not supposed to be some perfect simulation of playing instruments.

OMG they are taking your music and making it more entertaining than sitting there is a dark room with the headphones on. You evil bastards.

I thought the point was all about the music? Since when does it have to be only about the music?

I have to agree with Jack White and Jimmy Page up to a point. But it is their opinion. Right in the beginning of guitar hero, there should be a little disclaimer, have fun, but you still can't play an instrument.

I'm a former studio musician. I've been playing real guitar for 45 years and I love Guitar Hero and Rock Band.
If you don't, that's cool. There's a lot of stuff I don't like that you probably do.
Why does "I don't like something" have to become "I don't like something so they should stop making it or doing it because it irritates me, no matter how many millions of people do enjoy it.?"
Newsflash: Your opinion carries no more weight than mine or the 7 billion other people on this rock.

Cpt_Oblivious:
It is a little sad that people are discovering music and these great bands via Guitar Hero. But it's also incredibly fun and not supposed to be some perfect simulation of playing instruments.

But is it not better than not discovering them at all?

MaxTheReaper:

Mr.Tea:
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Agreed with the message there.
Though as always with CTRL+ALT+DEL, there was no fucking punchline.
What the hell, Buckley?

Anyway, I don't care.
I don't even play those games.
And if I did, I still wouldn't care.

I think it was blowing off the guy's head, but I don't see that as funny, just... random.
And even though I don't play GH or Rock Band, I can understand why people like it.

I hate guitar Hero, where the hell is my place in the news?

The thing is, is that Rock N' Roll has become a little club of sorts. In the early years, like you said, it was all about having fun, and making great songs. Now, God knows what its about. If they want to go have their little circle jerk about how things like this are depressing to musicians, and how its sad that nobody finds out about music through other means, then let them.

I personally used to like Led Zeppelin a whole lot. Now their music depresses me, and most of the time bores me. This isn't really helping their cause either. If they can't embrace the future, then too bad for them.

First of all. Never heard of the white stripes. Secondly, The Led Zep guitarist is just pissy since he is getting old and can't keep up any more. Thirdly Oasis sucks. Finally when Nickleback stops sounding exactly like Creed and Stained and puts out songs that sound different to every other one then they can talk about being real musicians.

See how fun it is to make blanket hate filled statements with no real meaning?

Who cares where kids hear of a song. They then go out and buy it right? That is how many Dragonforce fans came about. Are they complaining about the extra $$ coming their way?
I first heard Disturbed from a Alisha Klass porn movie a mate dld. Now I love them and buy all their albums and their DVD.
Stop whining about people having fun playing a game, people who would probably never become actual musicians anyway.

Also one day, I hope to see a actual band who only uses guitar hero type instruments. Have preset sounds on them like with a keyboard just to piss off these old music snobs.

Shut up Jimmy! Maybe if you and Robert Plant had actually created any of your music instead of ripping off African-American soul and blues artists from the 50s I might actually value your opinion.

Give me Sabbath any day of the week.

fenrizz:

Cpt_Oblivious:
It is a little sad that people are discovering music and these great bands via Guitar Hero. But it's also incredibly fun and not supposed to be some perfect simulation of playing instruments.

But is it not better than not discovering them at all?

Aye t'is.

hopeneverdies:

I think it was blowing off the guy's head, but I don't see that as funny, just... random.
And even though I don't play GH or Rock Band, I can understand why people like it.

Yeah, Buckley thinks "LOL RANDOM MONKEY ORANGE" is fucking hilarious.
I actually read the entire archive once.
Didn't laugh.
Didn't even smile.

That's how unfunny he is.

MaxTheReaper:

hopeneverdies:

I think it was blowing off the guy's head, but I don't see that as funny, just... random.
And even though I don't play GH or Rock Band, I can understand why people like it.

Yeah, Buckley thinks "LOL RANDOM MONKEY ORANGE" is fucking hilarious.
I actually read the entire archive once.
Didn't laugh.
Didn't even smile.

That's how unfunny he is.

Chef Brian will now stab you with a carrot for making such a comment!

Hurhur, the randomness of it all!

Guitar Hero got me in to Rock/Metal and made my buy a guitar.

I think part of the defensiveness musicians have about Guitar Hero & Rockband is that when you spend years refining your musical talents & become a genuinely brilliant musician, watching your art turned into a colour matching rhythm game kinda degrades all that effort u put into it.

Cpt_Oblivious:
It is a little sad that people are discovering music and these great bands via Guitar Hero.

It's also sad how after they find out how awesome some of these bands are they go and buy their albums and give them more money.

Hey Malygris, just a heads up Prince said that too, it's quoted in issue 195 of Game Informer just in case you wanted to add that.

If Steve Perry is any indication "don't like guitar hero" is codespeak for "we'll be having DLC songs in Rock Band"

The infamous SCAMola:

Chef Brian will now stab you with a carrot for making such a comment!

Hurhur, the randomness of it all!

Chef Brian is the best argument I can think of for firing squads and genetic manipulation.

What's worse is that people actually think this shit is funny.

Well, there goes our hopes of a Led Zeppelin Guitar Hero down the drain.
However, it might the for the best. It would null their credibility and no one wants that to happen to Zeppelin.

AceDiamond:
If Steve Perry is any indication "don't like guitar hero" is codespeak for "we'll be having DLC songs in Rock Band"

Maybe that is why these bands are soo pissy. The creators of GH/RS have not asked to use any of their material yet.

I absolutely love Rock Band, and I love music. I'm not even half-bad with an instrument (I learned a few in my childhood, but never stuck with any of them). There's a reason Rock Band appeals to me, and I'm not surprised that professionals like Jimmy Page don't share that same reason.

Many music fans only wish that they could play those songs. How many people have rocked out with an air guitar to Stairway to Heaven? Should they stop pretending and get a real guitar? The truth is, they'll never be able to attain that, but they enjoy the connection to music that comes with pretending. It's both an enjoyment and celebration of the art. It's not meant to be a replacement for the real thing.

This is exactly where Rock Band fits in. Not only do you get to pretend to play your favorite song (that you know you could never learn to play for real), but you get to do so in a way that feels much more real (than, say, air guitar) and you can get the fun and challenge of playing a game while doing so.

The assertion that kids are being exposed to music through video games sounds like a lot of marketing to me. There's still radio, there's still MTV (well, when it's not reality TV game shows), and kids are buying more music than ever before. If it were true that video games are all that kids play and the only way to reach them with music is to put it in to a game, then yes, that would be sad, but I don't believe the premise.

As for Jimmy Page, I think he should sit down and play Rock Band, just once. Sure, it's not the real thing, but it certainly does emulate it. Guitar (for the most part) is played by holding down combinations of strings at various positions with one hand and strumming those strings with the other -- almost exactly what you do with the plastic peripheral. The timing, the dexterity, even some of the awkward hand positions are the same as what you need in order to play a real guitar. Hell, they even teach you about more advanced techniques like hammer-ons and pull-offs. Sure, playing Guitar Hero won't teach you how to play a real guitar, but it will certainly train some of the skills that playing guitar requires.

And the guitar is the least realistic of the instruments. The drums, while not as full of a set, still require hitting the right drums at just the right times, including stepping on the pedal for the kick drum. The same skills that make a person a good drummer make them good at the Rock Band drums, and many of those same basic skills can be learned while playing the Rock Band drums. Singing is even more realistic -- lyrics, timing, and pitch make up almost the entirety of singing, and believe me, if you can't sing, you'll have a hard time fooling the game.

Now look at this from the perspective of teaching music. My sister uses Rock Band with her students and finds it helps teach them many basic skills: sight reading, timing, and several of the techniques for using the actual instruments. Where else could you get a drum set and guitar, with a catalog of music and a personal trainer for $200? Again, it's not the real thing, but it's close enough to be quite useful to a beginner, and it's a lot more fun than practising your scales ad nauseum.

And you know what? It gets kids interested in playing music. Many kids who enjoy music never dream that they might actually be able to play an instrument or sing a tune. I know many people personally who would never sing in public, but will sing along to Rock Band. Giving kids a chance to try their hand at perfoming, in a simpler, more approachable manner, just might convince a kid that they really could play an instrument. It wouldn't be the first time I've seen somebody buy a guitar or go for vocal lessons after playing Rock Band. Heck, an actual drummer convinced me to learn drums from him after seeing me play the drums on Rock Band. What more could professional musicians ask for than to get young people interested in their craft?

I think Jack White and Jimmy Page need to come down from their ivory tower and see what it looks like at the bottom. Not everybody is a professional musician, or even an aspiring musician. Music games give us mere mortals a way to connect with and enjoy music. Any musician should be pleased that a new medium is bringing more people to their work and allowing them to experience and appreciate it in new ways.

Cpt_Oblivious:
It is a little sad that people are discovering music and these great bands via Guitar Hero. But it's also incredibly fun and not supposed to be some perfect simulation of playing instruments.

I discovered both Stevie Ray Vaughan and Eric Johnson from GH3 and I don't really feel sad for that. I'm just glad I discovered two truly awsome guitarists earlier than I would have done otherwise. Though, comparing GH with real guitar is imbecillety. Nothing beats the real thing XD.

Good on them.

Whats that shooting Nazi in a video game, if you had any self respect you would grab a real gun and kill real Nazi's.

Plastic buttons wont replace muscians anymore than arcade dance machines are going to replace real dancing or microsoft paint making the canvas obselete

Hey, as long as the games help good bands become more popular and make people forget about the shitty ones, I can't complain.

The games being fun is just a bonus.

Neosage:

Malygris:

I really don't understand that kind of mentality. We know that playing videogames and playing actual musical instruments are completely different things. So what? Sometimes people just want to have a little fun with their friends. You remember "fun," right? It's what rock and roll used to be before everyone got so damned sanctimonious about it.

Its true, its all for fun but when people spend their lives perfecting it and posting videos of it on youtube as if it is some sort of achievement, I completely see what the musicians are talking about. Alot of guitar hero gamers seem to think that playing guitar hero and playing guitar are similar.

the last sentance is pretty much the only reason I hate guitar hero/rock band, otherwise i don't care too much for it.

To some degree, I agree with the guys. Most people I know that play guitar hero, act like they know everything about music there is to know, when they cannot name any songs from a known band, such as Metallica or Iron Maiden, aside from those featured on Guitar Hero. That, is a little sad.

However, what is even more sad is that all these musicians think it's not a valid source of entertainment. It might not be the same as standing in front of thousands upon thousands of people, but guess what Jack and Jimmy; you are a fucking minority. At least let the others have some sense of what it's like, eh?

The final two paragraphs are really excellent points.
It's a game to have fun, not a game to replace actual musical instruments.
And I find it weird that a band would be adverse to any new way to get their music in front of kids. Whether they hear it from the radio or their Xbox, who cares? At least the game allows for some interactivity with the song.

To an extent, I agree with them. I mean, after all, if you can get near 100% in TTFATF, then you definately need to pick up and start playing a damn guitar already!

I think rock band is both good and bad for music, bad as it draws away alot of potential musicians, but good as it gets people into rock music, hell, theres a 10 year old by me who listens to maiden, bet he wouldnt be without rockband/guitar hero

On a side note, mt freind, fat edd, is grade 8 guitar and hes awsome at guitar hero, so its not as if you can only do one of them

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