Sony Still Losing Money on PS3 Slim

Sony Still Losing Money on PS3 Slim

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Sony Computer Entertainment CEO Kaz Hirai confirmed in an interview that the new PS3 Slim is being sold at a loss, but said Sony's overall game business is in good shape and making money.

It's no great secret that Sony's been taking a bath on the PlayStation 3 since the day it was released, despite the system's not-quite-consumer-friendly price tag. News that the smaller, lighter PS3 Slim would debut at $299 (and that current PS3 models would also be reduced to the same point) had optimists wondering if maybe the company had figured out a way to make a little money on these things, but it can't be any great surprise that Hirai says that's still not the case.

"If you're just talking about the hardware alone, the quick answer is yes," he said when asked in an interview with the Times Online if the PS3 Slim was being sold at a loss. "That makes good headlines, but I don't actually know that that's the true nature of the business that we're all in, whether it's PlayStation, Xbox or the Wii. I think the better indicator is to look at the business as a whole platform, to ask: Are you profitable in terms of the hardware, software and peripherals. And the answer to that question is yes on a gross profit level since the last fiscal year."

A desire to "reset the thinking" for consumers and also internally at Sony was symbolized by the new PS3 logo, he said. "We wanted to make sure that we set a new direction for the PS3. The PS logo with the capital P and small S has always been our logo, has always been synonymous with video games and I wanted to reset the thinking," he explained. "On a practical level, when you have PlayStation 3 spelled out, the aspect ratio was such that if you wanted it on a billboard it became tiny. It didn't work in terms of visibility."

He added that the launch of the new PlayStation wasn't a response to any failures in the original console, but rather a culmination of various technological improvements that Sony wanted to offer its customers. "We wanted to pass the cost savings on to our consumers, in the new price point as well," he said. "We also felt it was the right time in terms of the great line-up of software titles we have coming out."

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Well there's no surprise there. And you try and say they are idiots to tell people that there will be no BC in their PS3s? The PS2s are still generating profit!

It is working though, they are selling fast, but I wonder for how long? I was thinking this would have been a better idea to do at around Christmas time, but if you can get the same sales boom that you would at Christmas only a few months early, it's all good.

And that interview went on for longer than it had to, the PS3 logo? Really?

It's a shame for Sony, that their only strategical option is to lower the price, which appeared to have not worked so well.

Anyways, your little doggeh has got a hat o.o...

yeh but PS3 have got some games coming out that finally make best use of the technology. or at least are worth looking forward to

MAG, that murder mystery game, gran turismo!

Well I guess that's why people like me buy a Xbox 360 or a PC. I myself have a Laptop. For such a high price I wouldn't consider buying the PS3 until the price drops another 60-80 euros. Most of the good game are released for more than one console and its only games like MGS4, or Lair, or another exclusive which would make me want to own a ps3.
p.s. wow your dog has a hat hi5!

ill stick to my fatty fat fat xbox.

I suppose that if Sony could repackage all those Playstation 2 systems into something that they could sell to soccer moms for a massive profit, they might have done that. Except that they were more interested in making a gaming system and not a faux bowling simulator.

How is it news that Sony sells it's consoles for a loss. If I am not mistaken they have sold all consoles at a loss making sure that games and peripherals made glorious amounts of money for them. I am confident that Sony will still show profit even with the loss for each individual console. I haven't yet made the update to the PS3 over my PS2, however I do understand that when I do they will make whatever loss they have by me getting a PS3 up in the games and controllers that I purchase.

this is no surprise to me, i own a PS3 but i really dont even play that many games for it. i find the choices lacking and the PSN online is lame.
i dunno, i hope sony pulls something out of their butt

I don't find this suprising. The PS3 is more of a Blu-Ray Player than a games console, as adding a Blu-Ray Player raises the price by about £250/£300.

The fact that the majority of good games come out on multiple consoles (Call of Duty 4, Team Fortress 2, GTA4, etc) and the PC, why buy a PS3 for £500 when I can buy a 360 to play (In my opinion) betetr exclusive titles like Mass Effect or Left 4 Dead (I know those are ont he PC, but I think you all get my point) along with all of the good multi-platform titles (GTA4, Prototype).

If sony wanted to make and sell a console, they would have not added a Blu-Ray Player, and have got more Developers to make exclusive titles for the PS3.

A great way for them to make money would be for them to put backwards compatibility back into the PS3, fix PSN online, and try to get more exclusives for the system.

Hopefully the new batch of PS3 exclusives coming out this year will help them make more money.

This is what I have been saying all along. You sell it at a loss and reap the money that comes in on peripherals and games sales that you will now make from all those extra consoles out there.

Pulse Reality:
I don't find this suprising. The PS3 is more of a Blu-Ray Player than a games console, as adding a Blu-Ray Player raises the price by about £250/£300.

The fact that the majority of good games come out on multiple consoles (Call of Duty 4, Team Fortress 2, GTA4, etc) and the PC, why buy a PS3 for £500 when I can buy a 360 to play (In my opinion) betetr exclusive titles like Mass Effect or Left 4 Dead (I know those are ont he PC, but I think you all get my point) along with all of the good multi-platform titles (GTA4, Prototype).

If sony wanted to make and sell a console, they would have not added a Blu-Ray Player, and have got more Developers to make exclusive titles for the PS3.

You pretty much summed up me reasons for not buying one.

That said, I do like the look of the new PS3 slim. They just need a few more exclusives and should have included backwards compatibility.

Saylek:
Well I guess that's why people like me buy a Xbox 360 or a PC. I myself have a Laptop. For such a high price I wouldn't consider buying the PS3 until the price drops another 60-80 euros.

except you get 1 or 2 years of live and you've now paid more for your 360 than the ps3 and you have to put up with ads for on your dashboard as well

maybe now the people complaining about lack of bc will stop a bit, considering putting it in would cause them to lose even more money

Machines Are Us:

Pulse Reality:
I don't find this suprising. The PS3 is more of a Blu-Ray Player than a games console, as adding a Blu-Ray Player raises the price by about £250/£300.

The fact that the majority of good games come out on multiple consoles (Call of Duty 4, Team Fortress 2, GTA4, etc) and the PC, why buy a PS3 for £500 when I can buy a 360 to play (In my opinion) betetr exclusive titles like Mass Effect or Left 4 Dead (I know those are ont he PC, but I think you all get my point) along with all of the good multi-platform titles (GTA4, Prototype).

If sony wanted to make and sell a console, they would have not added a Blu-Ray Player, and have got more Developers to make exclusive titles for the PS3.

You pretty much summed up me reasons for not buying one.

That said, I do like the look of the new PS3 slim. They just need a few more exclusives and should have included backwards compatibility.

Oh yes, even though I'm a 360 Fanboy, I would buy a PS3 if it had some better exclusive titles. And backwards compatability; I'm dying to play Beyond Good an Evil again.

Although, I do really hate the Playstation controller. It just feels uncomfortable, unlike the 360 controller, which I do have to say is the most comfortable controller I have ever held.

Pulse Reality:

Machines Are Us:

Pulse Reality:
I don't find this suprising. The PS3 is more of a Blu-Ray Player than a games console, as adding a Blu-Ray Player raises the price by about £250/£300.

The fact that the majority of good games come out on multiple consoles (Call of Duty 4, Team Fortress 2, GTA4, etc) and the PC, why buy a PS3 for £500 when I can buy a 360 to play (In my opinion) betetr exclusive titles like Mass Effect or Left 4 Dead (I know those are ont he PC, but I think you all get my point) along with all of the good multi-platform titles (GTA4, Prototype).

If sony wanted to make and sell a console, they would have not added a Blu-Ray Player, and have got more Developers to make exclusive titles for the PS3.

You pretty much summed up me reasons for not buying one.

That said, I do like the look of the new PS3 slim. They just need a few more exclusives and should have included backwards compatibility.

Oh yes, even though I'm a 360 Fanboy, I would buy a PS3 if it had some better exclusive titles. And backwards compatability; I'm dying to play Beyond Good an Evil again.

Although, I do really hate the Playstation controller. It just feels uncomfortable, unlike the 360 controller, which I do have to say is the most comfortable controller I have ever held.

There are only a couple of PS3 games I'd like so it isn't worth the money for me at the moment, maybe in a couple of years...

It's funny because when the PS2 and Xbox were the newest thing everyone hated the XB controller because it was so frigging huge, now I find the 360 is about right and the PS2/3 is too small.

cleverlymadeup:

Saylek:
Well I guess that's why people like me buy a Xbox 360 or a PC. I myself have a Laptop. For such a high price I wouldn't consider buying the PS3 until the price drops another 60-80 euros.

except you get 1 or 2 years of live and you've now paid more for your 360 than the ps3 and you have to put up with ads for on your dashboard as well

maybe now the people complaining about lack of bc will stop a bit, considering putting it in would cause them to lose even more money

true true, ps3 aint bad its just too expensive. in fact if the launch price was the same as the 360's or maybe even slighly higher then i think ps3 would have way more popularity and game developers would start flooding the ps3 with more titles. the high price ruined the bright future the pse could of had.

p.s. by the way I'm a PC person since PC kicks all console ass in every way :D

Machines Are Us:

Pulse Reality:

Machines Are Us:

Pulse Reality:
I don't find this suprising. The PS3 is more of a Blu-Ray Player than a games console, as adding a Blu-Ray Player raises the price by about £250/£300.

The fact that the majority of good games come out on multiple consoles (Call of Duty 4, Team Fortress 2, GTA4, etc) and the PC, why buy a PS3 for £500 when I can buy a 360 to play (In my opinion) betetr exclusive titles like Mass Effect or Left 4 Dead (I know those are ont he PC, but I think you all get my point) along with all of the good multi-platform titles (GTA4, Prototype).

If sony wanted to make and sell a console, they would have not added a Blu-Ray Player, and have got more Developers to make exclusive titles for the PS3.

You pretty much summed up me reasons for not buying one.

That said, I do like the look of the new PS3 slim. They just need a few more exclusives and should have included backwards compatibility.

Oh yes, even though I'm a 360 Fanboy, I would buy a PS3 if it had some better exclusive titles. And backwards compatability; I'm dying to play Beyond Good an Evil again.

Although, I do really hate the Playstation controller. It just feels uncomfortable, unlike the 360 controller, which I do have to say is the most comfortable controller I have ever held.

There are only a couple of PS3 games I'd like so it isn't worth the money for me at the moment, maybe in a couple of years...

It's funny because when the PS2 and Xbox were the newest thing everyone hated the XB controller because it was so frigging huge, now I find the 360 is about right and the PS2/3 is too small.

There are a few games I would like that are PS3 exclusives (Maybe inFamous, I think that's PS3 Exclusive, anyway), but the majority of ones people would recomend, like Little Big Planet, Metal Gear Solid 4 or Haze, I have all played and disliked each one of them (Well, I was tolerant of MGS4, but LBP, for me anyway, got boring so quickly. I actually can't stand it when anyone say's it's a good game!).

And I've never really like the Playstation Controller at all. I always found it so uncomfortable.

*sighs and shakes his head patronisingly*

Machines Are Us:

Pulse Reality:

Machines Are Us:

Pulse Reality:
I don't find this suprising. The PS3 is more of a Blu-Ray Player than a games console, as adding a Blu-Ray Player raises the price by about £250/£300.

The fact that the majority of good games come out on multiple consoles (Call of Duty 4, Team Fortress 2, GTA4, etc) and the PC, why buy a PS3 for £500 when I can buy a 360 to play (In my opinion) betetr exclusive titles like Mass Effect or Left 4 Dead (I know those are ont he PC, but I think you all get my point) along with all of the good multi-platform titles (GTA4, Prototype).

If sony wanted to make and sell a console, they would have not added a Blu-Ray Player, and have got more Developers to make exclusive titles for the PS3.

You pretty much summed up me reasons for not buying one.

That said, I do like the look of the new PS3 slim. They just need a few more exclusives and should have included backwards compatibility.

Oh yes, even though I'm a 360 Fanboy, I would buy a PS3 if it had some better exclusive titles. And backwards compatability; I'm dying to play Beyond Good an Evil again.

Although, I do really hate the Playstation controller. It just feels uncomfortable, unlike the 360 controller, which I do have to say is the most comfortable controller I have ever held.

There are only a couple of PS3 games I'd like so it isn't worth the money for me at the moment, maybe in a couple of years...

It's funny because when the PS2 and Xbox were the newest thing everyone hated the XB controller because it was so frigging huge, now I find the 360 is about right and the PS2/3 is too small.

i think this is the case where xbox and playstation owners are not swearing/insulting each other becouse their console is better/worse... amazing we are actually communicating like calm pc and mac owners. (ew macs)

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Machines Are Us:

Pulse Reality:

Machines Are Us:

Pulse Reality:
I don't find this suprising. The PS3 is more of a Blu-Ray Player than a games console, as adding a Blu-Ray Player raises the price by about £250/£300.

The fact that the majority of good games come out on multiple consoles (Call of Duty 4, Team Fortress 2, GTA4, etc) and the PC, why buy a PS3 for £500 when I can buy a 360 to play (In my opinion) betetr exclusive titles like Mass Effect or Left 4 Dead (I know those are ont he PC, but I think you all get my point) along with all of the good multi-platform titles (GTA4, Prototype).

If sony wanted to make and sell a console, they would have not added a Blu-Ray Player, and have got more Developers to make exclusive titles for the PS3.

You pretty much summed up me reasons for not buying one.

That said, I do like the look of the new PS3 slim. They just need a few more exclusives and should have included backwards compatibility.

Oh yes, even though I'm a 360 Fanboy, I would buy a PS3 if it had some better exclusive titles. And backwards compatability; I'm dying to play Beyond Good an Evil again.

Although, I do really hate the Playstation controller. It just feels uncomfortable, unlike the 360 controller, which I do have to say is the most comfortable controller I have ever held.

There are only a couple of PS3 games I'd like so it isn't worth the money for me at the moment, maybe in a couple of years...

It's funny because when the PS2 and Xbox were the newest thing everyone hated the XB controller because it was so frigging huge, now I find the 360 is about right and the PS2/3 is too small.

There are a few games I would like that are PS3 exclusives (Maybe inFamous, I think that's PS3 Exclusive, anyway), but the majority of ones people would recomend, like Little Big Planet, Metal Gear Solid 4 or Haze, I have all played and disliked each one of them (Well, I was tolerant of MGS4, but LBP, for me anyway, got boring so quickly. I actually can't stand it when anyone say's it's a good game!).

And I've never really like the Playstation Controller at all. I always found it so uncomfortable.

I like the PS3 exclusives over the Xbox exclusives since most xbox games that arn't PS3 games are easy to get on PC. LBP - Family game, MGS4 - I hate it, Haze - Crap. Just because websites tell you it's good doesn't mean it is. Prototype is a great game, aswell as Uncharted and Resitance 1 and 2. As for the controller it comes down to what your used to. I find the PS3 controller much easier to use over the xbox.

Lego Man:

Pulse Reality:

Machines Are Us:

Pulse Reality:

Machines Are Us:

Pulse Reality:
I don't find this suprising. The PS3 is more of a Blu-Ray Player than a games console, as adding a Blu-Ray Player raises the price by about £250/£300.

The fact that the majority of good games come out on multiple consoles (Call of Duty 4, Team Fortress 2, GTA4, etc) and the PC, why buy a PS3 for £500 when I can buy a 360 to play (In my opinion) betetr exclusive titles like Mass Effect or Left 4 Dead (I know those are ont he PC, but I think you all get my point) along with all of the good multi-platform titles (GTA4, Prototype).

If sony wanted to make and sell a console, they would have not added a Blu-Ray Player, and have got more Developers to make exclusive titles for the PS3.

You pretty much summed up me reasons for not buying one.

That said, I do like the look of the new PS3 slim. They just need a few more exclusives and should have included backwards compatibility.

Oh yes, even though I'm a 360 Fanboy, I would buy a PS3 if it had some better exclusive titles. And backwards compatability; I'm dying to play Beyond Good an Evil again.

Although, I do really hate the Playstation controller. It just feels uncomfortable, unlike the 360 controller, which I do have to say is the most comfortable controller I have ever held.

There are only a couple of PS3 games I'd like so it isn't worth the money for me at the moment, maybe in a couple of years...

It's funny because when the PS2 and Xbox were the newest thing everyone hated the XB controller because it was so frigging huge, now I find the 360 is about right and the PS2/3 is too small.

There are a few games I would like that are PS3 exclusives (Maybe inFamous, I think that's PS3 Exclusive, anyway), but the majority of ones people would recomend, like Little Big Planet, Metal Gear Solid 4 or Haze, I have all played and disliked each one of them (Well, I was tolerant of MGS4, but LBP, for me anyway, got boring so quickly. I actually can't stand it when anyone say's it's a good game!).

And I've never really like the Playstation Controller at all. I always found it so uncomfortable.

I like the PS3 exclusives over the Xbox exclusives since most xbox games that arn't PS3 games are easy to get on PC. LBP - Family game, MGS4 - I hate it, Haze - Crap. Just because websites tell you it's good doesn't mean it is. Prototype is a great game, aswell as Uncharted and Resitance 1 and 2. As for the controller it comes down to what your used to. I find the PS3 controller much easier to use over the xbox.

I'm actually playing Prototype on my 360 right now!

OT: I prefr the 360 Exclusives to the PS3 ones. The 360 Exclusives appeal to me more than the PS3 ones, and quite a few of the games I want to play 9That are 360 Exlusives) are just that, exclusives to the 360. They aren't on the PC.

(I know I'm going to get a lot of ear ache from some people for this) I actually like Halo 3, and I would rather play that than, say, Call of Duty 4/WaW/Whatever, because, in my opinion, it's more fun! The same with the 360 Exclusive games I want to play; to me, they are more fun! I want to sit down and play some Mass Effect, maybe (If I'm feeling tactical) put Halo wars in. Or Fable 2. Or if I just want to mindlessly kill something, Gears of war 1/2 (I know Gears 1 is on the PC but my point still stands...).

These are the games I want to play. And I do prefer a controller to a mouse and keyboard, actually, I think it's better to have a dedicated control system, rather than different keys for every game I play.

Another thing is, if I can have the games that I can play with my friends on XBox LIVE (Another thing, I prefer XBL to PSN, I think Sony managed to mess PSN up...), then I can, as they don't own PCs powerfull enough to play things like Team Fortress 2 or Left 4 Dead, but they do have 360s.

And I did have a PS1 and PS2 for waaaaaaay longer than I have had an Original XBox or a 360 (We're talking 5 or so years with the PS2) and I still hated the Playstation controller, even though I was used to it.

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Saylek:
Well I guess that's why people like me buy a Xbox 360 or a PC. I myself have a Laptop. For such a high price I wouldn't consider buying the PS3 until the price drops another 60-80 euros.

except you get 1 or 2 years of live and you've now paid more for your 360 than the ps3 and you have to put up with ads for on your dashboard as well

maybe now the people complaining about lack of bc will stop a bit, considering putting it in would cause them to lose even more money

Maybe if people would understand that Live pretty much costs $3 a month which is basically giving up one 12-pack of soda a month, and therefore not a big deal, they'd stop trying to slant the price schematic in favor of the PS3 that way.

Because if we're going to play dirty, let's play "you now have to replace all your movies with Blu-Rays because DVDs are for peasants"

Say I have a movie collection of 100 DVDs. Say 80 of those can be found on Blu-Ray (since some of the movies I own are out of print in both formats). Say the average price of a Blu-Ray movie is $30. Are we honestly going to say paying $2400 for movies I already own isn't somehow slanting the price schematic? Or would you be like me, someone who doesn't throw all the optional shit into why they should or shouldn't buy a console? I mean, the Wii doesn't make you pay for its internet connection I don't see why people don't say that's a good thing (apart from it not being a very good online system in the grand scheme of things)

And don't get me started on if you don't already own an HDTV, which many people don't.

In conclusion, I eagerly await the day that the PS3's defenders stop lying to potential customers, or at the very least stop pretending like the only thing you have to buy for a PS3 is the PS3 itself.

AceDiamond:

cleverlymadeup:

Saylek:
Well I guess that's why people like me buy a Xbox 360 or a PC. I myself have a Laptop. For such a high price I wouldn't consider buying the PS3 until the price drops another 60-80 euros.

except you get 1 or 2 years of live and you've now paid more for your 360 than the ps3 and you have to put up with ads for on your dashboard as well

maybe now the people complaining about lack of bc will stop a bit, considering putting it in would cause them to lose even more money

Maybe if people would understand that Live pretty much costs $3 a month which is basically giving up one 12-pack of soda a month, and therefore not a big deal, they'd stop trying to slant the price schematic in favor of the PS3 that way.

Because if we're going to play dirty, let's play "you now have to replace all your movies with Blu-Rays because DVDs are for peasants"

Say I have a movie collection of 100 DVDs. Say 80 of those can be found on Blu-Ray (since some of the movies I own are out of print in both formats). Say the average price of a Blu-Ray movie is $30. Are we honestly going to say paying $2400 for movies I already own isn't somehow slanting the price schematic? Or would you be like me, someone who doesn't throw all the optional shit into why they should or shouldn't buy a console? I mean, the Wii doesn't make you pay for its internet connection I don't see why people don't say that's a good thing (apart from it not being a very good online system in the grand scheme of things)

And don't get me started on if you don't already own an HDTV, which many people don't.

In conclusion, I eagerly await the day that the PS3's defenders stop lying to potential customers, or at the very least stop pretending like the only thing you have to buy for a PS3 is the PS3 itself.

Ahem, FATAL FLAW PS3 plays DVDs as well. and it's not optional shit since THE PS3 GAMES AR EON BLU-RAY, Optional would be if the PS3 games were on DVDs.

AceDiamond:

cleverlymadeup:

Saylek:
Well I guess that's why people like me buy a Xbox 360 or a PC. I myself have a Laptop. For such a high price I wouldn't consider buying the PS3 until the price drops another 60-80 euros.

except you get 1 or 2 years of live and you've now paid more for your 360 than the ps3 and you have to put up with ads for on your dashboard as well

maybe now the people complaining about lack of bc will stop a bit, considering putting it in would cause them to lose even more money

Maybe if people would understand that Live pretty much costs $3 a month which is basically giving up one 12-pack of soda a month, and therefore not a big deal, they'd stop trying to slant the price schematic in favor of the PS3 that way.

Because if we're going to play dirty, let's play "you now have to replace all your movies with Blu-Rays because DVDs are for peasants"

Say I have a movie collection of 100 DVDs. Say 80 of those can be found on Blu-Ray (since some of the movies I own are out of print in both formats). Say the average price of a Blu-Ray movie is $30. Are we honestly going to say paying $2400 for movies I already own isn't somehow slanting the price schematic? Or would you be like me, someone who doesn't throw all the optional shit into why they should or shouldn't buy a console? I mean, the Wii doesn't make you pay for its internet connection I don't see why people don't say that's a good thing (apart from it not being a very good online system in the grand scheme of things)

And don't get me started on if you don't already own an HDTV, which many people don't.

In conclusion, I eagerly await the day that the PS3's defenders stop lying to potential customers, or at the very least stop pretending like the only thing you have to buy for a PS3 is the PS3 itself.

DVDs to Blurays is like PS2s to PS3s, or Xboxs to 360s. You buy new games for the new console, and play old games on the old game player (or on the new one if you like excluding the PS3 of course). It's what happens when technology advances. If we followed your brilliant logic we'd still be playing 2D games on Ataris because no one "wanted to pay for whole new games on new consoles omgomg". Because godforbid someone invents something that's better than the earlier version. Or we'd still be rewinding video cassets to rewatch our favorite black-and-white movies because it was "too much work to buy DVDs". And don't get me started on that logic applied to prehistory.

Yep. The second I saw this thread, I knew there would be several complainers within. Man, I am good.

The Ps3 is still a great console, so sold at a loss or not, the company will go on. Sorry to all those Sony haters. :P

Hey Ace I think I can solve your problem, I'll sell you a PS3 slim for just $199 with the Blu-ray removed.

UNFORTUNATLY you wont actually be able to do anything with the PS3 and the warrenty will be voided but you seem to believe it is an optional useless feature so lets test this theory out.

Onmi:
Ahem, FATAL FLAW PS3 plays DVDs as well. and it's not optional shit since THE PS3 GAMES AR EON BLU-RAY, Optional would be if the PS3 games were on DVDs.

Well here's one of my reasons for not buying a PS3. My TV is an older model, bought before HD was being shoved down our throats. I've seen the difference between HD and my crappy little TV. Honestly, the difference is so minor (in fact, I don't really see a difference at all), I can't justify buying a new TV just to make my game images "prettier".

The price I'd be paying for a PS3 for the major piece of technology it offers that is essentially useless to me is just not worth it. Yes, there's a few things I would love to play, but it's not enough. I know it's been said before but Sony decided to gear their next gen to the wrong area. We all made the same complaint time and again, great graphics mean nothing if the gameplay is horrible. And if the game's going to be shit on all the other systems it's released on, I may as well go for the one that's going to cost me the least.

Orlana:

Onmi:
Ahem, FATAL FLAW PS3 plays DVDs as well. and it's not optional shit since THE PS3 GAMES AR EON BLU-RAY, Optional would be if the PS3 games were on DVDs.

Well here's one of my reasons for not buying a PS3. My TV is an older model, bought before HD was being shoved down our throats. I've seen the difference between HD and my crappy little TV. Honestly, the difference is so minor (in fact, I don't really see a difference at all), I can't justify buying a new TV just to make my game images "prettier".

The price I'd be paying for a PS3 for the major piece of technology it offers that is essentially useless to me is just not worth it. Yes, there's a few things I would love to play, but it's not enough. I know it's been said before but Sony decided to gear their next gen to the wrong area. We all made the same complaint time and again, great graphics mean nothing if the gameplay is horrible. And if the game's going to be shit on all the other systems it's released on, I may as well go for the one that's going to cost me the least.

I would be more inclined to take this bullshit on board if I had not spent almost every year of my gaming life playing my console on a computer monitor so old it had RYW cables in he back, therefore probably dating back to the Commodore 64. And having played All my games up to the end of my PS2's life and only just advanced to a fairly new TV for my PS3 simply because the monitor after 12 years of gaming is making weird noises and burning smells.

If I could enjoy my gaming my top of the line gaming for so many years in teenee weenee Eye-Strain-O-Vision with nothing to give me some good picture and still enjoy myself I don't take that as an excuse.

It's not going to feel like someone is rubbing there balls in your eyes. And yes I play my PS3 on a Standard Def TV. And it STILL looks beautiful

Well, at least Sony's shown they're willing to take the hit financially versus making the consumer pay marked up prices ala Nintendo or MS. And don't even try to deny it. Ya'll know it's the truth. The PS3 is the only machine that actually has new tech in it.

Beyond that, the price seems to be doing the trick. Still in 1st on Amazon.com, after 11 days.

The point I was attempting to make, with the entire DVD-to-Bluray nonsense, was that it is nonsense. I made up a fake cost to add to the cost of the PS3, just like people make the fake cost of XBox Live (which again, is negligible) to justify that "You weren't paying as much for the PS3". There's a difference between actively not knowing the PS3 can play DVDs (which I did know, hence me not saying "you have to get blu-rays because the PS3 can't play a DVD), and just skewing words a bit.

The gist of my argument being that I was more or less fed up with people going "well if you add in *insert ancillary bullshit* to this, then A costs less than B". It's pure and utter nonsense.

 

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