UN Group Urges Japan to Ban Explicit Games and Manga

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Here's what I'm thinking, how far do they want the new restrictions to go? Because whilst there is alot of pornographic works of manga and anime, generally featuring rape, ect. Alot (TVtropes says so) of anime and manga imply or include a rape scene without being in the slightest pornographic, sometimes even just in passing, and still managing to tell a compelling story. Ok, the actual story varies from place to place but I think my point remains valid. What I'm wondering is would these be affected too or is it specifically banning full on porn? Either way it would be a horrid case of the west trying to impose it's values on everyone else (that needs to stop).

The mere thought of this game makes me want to vomit I mean why have a game that is based on raping people who look maybe in teens and then the youngest is said to look 11 years old! I've been following this ever since it started and I do not like what Japan is doing. If I was the Japanese president I would ban this the moment I got wind of it. I mean come on Japan!

Boo censorship! Fuck the UN! Japan has the right idea. (Well, except for the "all porn must be censored" crap. Bloody pixels...)

Fucking censure.

Maybe UN should do something that actually helps instead of trying to ban and censure FICTION.

What's next, blanking out words like "nigger" and possible scenes of rape and murder in books? Some of which were written almost 100 years ago...

Media that has rape in it promotes rape as much as WW2 games promote killing real life germans.

Not at all.

and promote sexual violence against women and girls.

This intrigues me the most. There was a report commissioned in 1970 by the (then current) President Johnson of the US on whether or not Pornography (or other obscene materials) could cause delinquent or criminal behaviour in youths or adults. Wiki page is here. In short: No such correlation was found. At all.

So...you know, the UN is only forty years out of the loop. God, I'm glad we have these people running the show.

Acts of violence, sexual or not, against children real or fabricated should be condemned unilaterally and should really be a no brainer to a civilised society.

Are you going to go protest against the Fallout 3 "Children can be killed" mods as well? Whether the collection of pixels depicts a child or an adult: It's still a collection of pixels. People's inability to distinguish reality from fiction isn't the fault of game developers, movie directors, authors or sculptors. It's on the individual. Why should I have my enjoyment censored because someone else is too out of touch with reality to understand where the boundaries are?

And if something offends your delicate sensibilities? Ignore it. I highly doubt anyone playing these rape games are doing so in your face. Pushing your nose into what other people fap to in the privacy of their own home is coming dangerously close to arresting people on 'thought crimes'.

Big Brother, Slippery Slope fallacy, yada yada.

The mere thought of this game makes me want to vomit I mean why have a game that is based on raping people who look maybe in teens and then the youngest is said to look 11 years old! I've been following this ever since it started and I do not like what Japan is doing. If I was the Japanese president I would ban this the moment I got wind of it. I mean come on Japan!

I'm going to sidetrack slightly to prove my point. Lolicon (wiki page) has existed for quite some time throughout Japan, with a variety of games, manga and anime surrounding it. You might say: "Ew! They must be crawling with paedophiles with all of that pseudo-child porn around!" To which I would respond with amusement. Japan has less than half as many cases of arrests for actual child pornography than America (proportionally). Lolicon, something which ostensibly hurts no one as it's based entirely on fiction could perhaps be actually curbing the amount of real child porn which does hurt people.

Perhaps rape games might do the same? In fact, looking at the UN statistics for Rape crimes, the US has a far higher number of cases than Japan per 100,000 people. What does that tell you?

CmRet:
The mere thought of this game makes me want to vomit I mean why have a game that is based on raping people who look maybe in teens and then the youngest is said to look 11 years old! I've been following this ever since it started and I do not like what Japan is doing. If I was the Japanese president I would ban this the moment I got wind of it. I mean come on Japan!

Yay, censorship.

Whatever happens in the game in question doesn't happen in REAL LIFE. You aren't damaging anyone physically or else. It's only as disgusting as games where you can - and generally do - kill absolutely innocent people.

If you're going to imply that games that feature pedophilia are somehow going to create an army of pedophiles in real life, then here's this - all the games that feature murder (Fallout, Oblivion, GTA and I don't know, pretty much every game out there, but in case of these 3 it clearly features murder of civilians - which is another level of wrong) are going to create an army of psychopathic killers in real life!

Which is a fairly stupid statement, in my humble opinion. And, in any case, you shouldn't EVER ban or censor things (at all) and especially based on purely subjective ideas like you have. I might hate rap, stereotypical depiction of black people in it and gang culture, but I'd not want it to be banned because just my purely subjective opinion is not enough. Ever.

TheTygerfire:
This is the same group that wants to teach 5 year olds about sex and rape. Yeah, I thought we DIDN'T want kids to be messed up.

Video games only screw up people that were already screwed up, period.

Yeah, that's why I'm not fucking with a guy called Khaled Al-Asad or Zakhaev

I'm amused. The U.S. has a sexual assault rate per capita that's something like fifteen times that of Japan. Other nations in the UN have higher rates as well, yet we still feel superior enough to push resolutions like this on Japan?

Crimsane:
I'm amused. The U.S. has a sexual assault rate per capita that's something like fifteen times that of Japan. Other nations in the UN have higher rates as well, yet we still feel superior enough to push resolutions like this on Japan?

You do know that japan most likely view woman as trash anyways, and woman don't want to tell what happen to them due to be dishonor or bringing shame to the family. Just because they say they have a lower assault rate, doesn't mean they don't have less then anyone else. Last post here.

Crimsane:
I'm amused. The U.S. has a sexual assault rate per capita that's something like fifteen times that of Japan. Other nations in the UN have higher rates as well, yet we still feel superior enough to push resolutions like this on Japan?

^
A splash of cold reality in the face of ignorant hypocrisy.

Outcast107:

Crimsane:
I'm amused. The U.S. has a sexual assault rate per capita that's something like fifteen times that of Japan. Other nations in the UN have higher rates as well, yet we still feel superior enough to push resolutions like this on Japan?

You do know that japan most likely view woman as trash anyways, and woman don't want to tell what happen to them due to be dishonor or bringing shame to the family. Just because they say they have a lower assault rate, doesn't mean they don't have less then anyone else. Last post here.

Dude, it isn't the 19th century over there. It's a very much Westernized, very much modernized country, whose myriad incidents of sexual bizarreness and eccentric social norms are merely the result of a repressed society finding outlets in an open and modern context. No need to make them out to be the Taliban.

urging japan to get rid of these games is like urging the US to get rid of all it's Mcdonalds, well because they're BAD for you. LIKE WE GIVE A $#!7.

Outcast107:
You do know that japan most likely view woman as trash anyways

...What?

woman don't want to tell what happen to them due to be dishonor or bringing shame to the family.

So the majority don't get reported, just like everywhere else? Doesn't really skew the numbers that much, in terms of per country rates, since people everywhere are unlikely to report.

If all world leaders have prioritizing skills this poor, it's amazing to think that our world still isn't like the one in Idiocracy. Seriously, why try banning these things when you could help those women in the Middle East who get beat up just cause (didn't fact-check this one, don't hurt me)? Oh yeah, because it's easier and will give you a better image in a shorter amount of time than dealing with actual issues that affects actual people.

EDIT:

RebelRising:

Outcast107:

Crimsane:
I'm amused. The U.S. has a sexual assault rate per capita that's something like fifteen times that of Japan. Other nations in the UN have higher rates as well, yet we still feel superior enough to push resolutions like this on Japan?

You do know that japan most likely view woman as trash anyways, and woman don't want to tell what happen to them due to be dishonor or bringing shame to the family. Just because they say they have a lower assault rate, doesn't mean they don't have less then anyone else. Last post here.

Dude, it isn't the 19th century over there. It's a very much Westernized, very much modernized country, whose myriad incidents of sexual bizarreness and eccentric social norms are merely the result of a repressed society finding outlets in an open and modern context. No need to make them out to be the Taliban.

So true. How else can you explain this monstrosity

Crimsane:

woman don't want to tell what happen to them due to be dishonor or bringing shame to the family.

So the majority don't get reported, just like everywhere else? Doesn't really skew the numbers that much, in terms of per country rates, since people everywhere are unlikely to report.

Furthermore, I don't think "non-reported rapes" (which, by the way, occur globally. It's not a Japanese-only phenomenon) can account for something like 8-10x as many reported cases in the US as Japan gets.

There's only so much number skewing you can blame on culture. That the US has a higher rate than Japan at all says that these games are clearly not doing anything 'bad' en masse for the population in Japan.

Yet Japan has the lowest instances of Rape and violence towards women than any other place in the western world. Could it be that the people that have those kinds of thoughts have a way to get their jollies off without having to do it real life? A ban on this material will cause these individuals to act out on their impulses.

But, I say go ahead and ban it. You will create an instant demand for that stuff, so more people will see this kind of smut. Even the ones that have no interest in it will go out of their way to see it. And as long as the internet exists, people will see it.

HardRockSamurai:
Well, I think the UN has it's heart in the right place. Then again, Japan just wouldn't be the same without it's perverted games...

They should go to Taiwan before Japan then.

Of course the last thing the UN did was...wait..never mind.
The last thing they ever did was back in the 50's. Ever since then they get onto their high horses and bitch about things that can only be solved within ones country by ones own countrymen.

malestrithe:
Yet Japan has the lowest instances of Rape and violence towards women than any other place in the western world. Could it be that the people that have those kinds of thoughts have a way to get their jollies off without having to do it real life? A ban on this material will cause these individuals to act out on their impulses.

But, I say go ahead and ban it. You will create an instant demand for that stuff, so more people will see this kind of smut. Even the ones that have no interest in it will go out of their way to see it. And as long as the internet exists, people will see it.

UNLESS
you live in China! Then you get to see the "Special" internet.

JWAN:

HardRockSamurai:
Well, I think the UN has it's heart in the right place. Then again, Japan just wouldn't be the same without it's perverted games...

They should go to Taiwan before Japan then.

The one time you choose to insult Taiwan, and you just had the quote the guy who's actually TAIWANESE!!!

You have fine luck sir :)

I honestly don't see how these groups can try to make drawings/cartoons illegal, and that they actually are getting so much support.

Some of you out there honestly feel people should go to PRISON just because they drew or watched a picture/cartoon? I can see why the content of the cartoon may disagree with people's ideas of decency or morality, but arresting people for artwork, no matter the content, is just one step away from arresting people for THOUGHT CRIMES, since isn't a drawing merely the visual representation of what was in the drawer's mind?

The artist did not actually rape anyone, a person who draws an image of their A-hole boss being strung up in a noose did not commit murder, and a kid drawing a pot leaf did not really do drugs. There was NO crime committed, merely putting pen to paper.

And for those who say "Yes, ban the rape games, but our killing games are different because we're the good guys" are deluding yourselves. Carmageddon, Redneck Rampage, Postal, GTA, Fallout, Bioshock, and numerous other games not only give you the option, or the ability, to kill innocents, but some of these games actually promote that aspect, and many of these games are top sellers winning numerous awards.

Banning these games and cartoons will not get rid of them. Banning things NEVER works. Like one of the above posters pointed out we banned alcohol (Prohibition) and only succeeded in creating Al Capone and the other black market alcohol violent mafia tycoons. We make drugs illegal and only succeed in creating an ultra-violent black market underworld, in countries all over the world, who kill innocents daily in order to keep the product going. If cartoons or games are made illegal, the only effect will be to drive the product underground, making criminals a boat load of cash, and now because it's a crime they'll have to start defending their black market stuff with knives and guns, possibly hurting more people.

Like another poster above said, if I were Japan, I'd tell these UN and American groups, that "Yes, we'll ban our games, and our manga, and our anime....as soon as you can get America to ban their Soprano's style mafia shows, and their The Wire style gang shows, and their Weeds style drug glamorizing shows, and their Superbad style movies that glamorize underage drinking and sex. Do as your Bible says, and cast out the beam from your own eyes before coming over here to pluck the mote from ours. Do this, and we'll see what we can do."

The instant I saw this announced by the ECA I was pissed. If you want an example of people trying to bring in a mommy state where people want to control every bit of content this is a prime example.

The United Nations has to realize that they have a much bigger role to play in the world with their cushy jobs. They get diplomatic immunity for a reason, so let's see them help promote positive issues.

Do we really need the United Nations trying to oppress an industry that is enclosed to a country and is probably profitable?

To imagine, this all started because of some idiotic American who wanted to make a couple hundred dollars on Amazon. Nevermind the laws he broke bringing the game to the United States and reselling the game. That idiot opened up a Pandora's box and now we have the U.N. taking dynamite to the bloody thing. This whole thing will go away if nobody talked about the damn game anymore.

Oddly enough this post just reminded me why I'm a republican and what part I actually support being a republican. You don't have other groups trying to control the individual in the realm of content. A group of adults are trying to prevent games that simulate the aspect of sex that is purchased by adults. I don't need another person or group being my parent when I am an adult, we are meant to see each other as equals once we reach the age of adulthood.

CantFaketheFunk:
The committee further observed that Japan's current child pornography laws don't apply to fictional depictions of children in erotic games, manga, and anime - no matter how explicit.

BECAUSE NO CHILDREN/WOMEN/ANIMALS/GROWN UPS/LICE/LINT ARE HARMED IN THE MAKING OF CARTOONS YOU RETARDED RETROGRADE PIECES OF MALFUNCTIONING, INCOHERENT, SUB-HUMAN, SEMI-SENTIENT SHIT.

Sorry for the caps in your inbox John, not directed at you, but sadly there's no "Quote" code to mail it directly to the UN twits. Just had to let it out...

It honestly, truly pisses me the fuck off when people are: a) hypocrites and b) incoherent. So this is one of the things that makes me feel murderous rage on the count that it manages to be BOTH.

Ok, let's get one thing straight, laws are made to protect people, not to favor tastes. The anti-child pornography law exists because one can't be certain that children can be provide educated consent regarding what they're doing, and, worse, are more often than not forced to do it... This is not ok. This is rape and sexual exploitation and needs to be punished as severely as possible.

...Now get this, cartoons do NOT harm people. If I draw a 5 year older taking it up the ass from... A horse for all I care... Nobody is harmed. Nobody. Not you, not me, not any child anywhere, nobody. If anything, people can claim they dislike it. But guess what, if they complain this is immoral but don't complain about every other videogame ever made, they are FUCKING HYPOCRITES, because almost every game ever made trivializes violence and/or murder. If watching movies, cartoons or playing videogames about murdering people does not turn you into a fucking murderer, then you can bet your ass (literally and metaphorically) playing rape games does not turn someone into a goddamn rapist.

No, I'm not the biggest fan of rape games... But I'm not enough of a fucking hypocrite to call people who like them "ZIOMFG IMORAL MONSTERS!!!" while I'm having fun blowing people's brains clear out of the skull for 2 hours for no good reason but because it's fun.

I'll say it again, a lot of people just need to fucking die and stop polluting the gene pool before we can become a better "kind" of humanity...

Everything I wanted to say has already been posted except this.

Life is a parody, gentlemen:
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/japan_pledges_to_halt_production

Wait, so this was requested by people against the discrimination of women?

So... couldn't they just appeal to have more men raped in that kind of material? I mean, there's also plenty of porn outside of Japan too, so I don't see why they're picking on that country so much.

Khell_Sennet:
Can't the UN prioritize anything?

You have the entire middle east which treats women like property, Chinese parents still illegally kill female children at or before birth, and the most of Africa believes that the cure for aids is to rape a virgin, and they're wasting their time on fucking VIDEO GAMES?

Well, the UN prioritizes first-world nations first. It seems like they're saying that we should know better than those third-world types and allows the third-world continue down the road to hell while they do little to help. Well, okay, not little, they do a lot, but not enough I guess. I don't know, I try to stay out of global politics.

Khell_Sennet:
Oh tap-dancing Buddha on a communion cracker!

You have *no* idea how much I want to witness this happen, now.

Outcast107:

Crimsane:
I'm amused. The U.S. has a sexual assault rate per capita that's something like fifteen times that of Japan. Other nations in the UN have higher rates as well, yet we still feel superior enough to push resolutions like this on Japan?

You do know that japan most likely view woman as trash anyways, and woman don't want to tell what happen to them due to be dishonor or bringing shame to the family. Just because they say they have a lower assault rate, doesn't mean they don't have less then anyone else. Last post here.

I don't think you've been to Japan, or know anything about modern Japanese culture.

Kollega:

Besides,only unimaginative types need porn.

I'm rather curious about what you mean by this statement?

Are you suggesting that imaginative types find a way to get real sex by any means necessary?
That porn is only for people who either dont have the intelligence or courage to rape real LIVE women, or that they should just go pay for sex, which is also illegal in most countries?

I guess I just fail to see what is "unimaginative" about porn... Am i doing something wrong? Should I be attaching hidden cameras to my shoes then walking around the local mall? Maybe I should be cruising craigslist for all the BBW plumpers offering themselves up out of desperation?

A little clarification please..

Kollega:
In a words of Cristopher C. Livingston,FRIGGIN FINALLY. Porn promoting misogyny is not too good for bringing equality to the world.

Besides,only unimaginative types need porn.

Actually,UN could have issued another resolution - declaring that there must be more female-on-male raep in hentai.

I like the way you think! :D

Onmi:
Japan: Sure, once you stop all the video games depiciting the racist killing of germans and japanese!

Geh you all know my thoughts on censorship, I don't like Rapelay or what it stands for but I prefer they get that shit out of there system in a game than on the streets. Personally the U.N. should be looking into the molestation problems or the workplace problems.

I'm with Onmi on this one. I really don't respond well to censorship attempts. It may not be my kind of content but that doesn't mean I'm going to get up on a soapbox and decry it as the devil in order to have it removed for everybody else.

HyenaThePirate:

Kollega:

Besides,only unimaginative types need porn.

I'm rather curious about what you mean by this statement?

Are you suggesting that imaginative types find a way to get real sex by any means necessary?
That porn is only for people who either dont have the intelligence or courage to rape real LIVE women, or that they should just go pay for sex, which is also illegal in most countries?

I guess I just fail to see what is "unimaginative" about porn... Am i doing something wrong? Should I be attaching hidden cameras to my shoes then walking around the local mall? Maybe I should be cruising craigslist for all the BBW plumpers offering themselves up out of desperation?

A little clarification please..

Maybe he meant that people with active imaginations could just imagine sex instead of needing porn. I've heard that argument made before.

I doubt Japan will respond to this. Have any of you ever been to Akihabara? Pornography and whatnot is big business, especially involving rape simulation/manga. Though I don't have any solid facts, something tells me that Japan makes big profits from its pornographic industry... and that includes the type of pornography this UN group is trying to condemn.

In the end, its all about money I'm afraid =\

Khell_Sennet:
Oh tap-dancing Buddha on a communion cracker! Can't the UN prioritize anything?

You have the entire middle east which treats women like property, Chinese parents still illegally kill female children at or before birth, and the most of Africa believes that the cure for aids is to rape a virgin, and they're wasting their time on fucking VIDEO GAMES?

seconded, i just think that because they cant do much to help with anything real they go after easy PR wins, that do nothing but make them look useful

CantFaketheFunk:
The committee further observed that Japan's current child pornography laws don't apply to fictional depictions of children in erotic games, manga, and anime - no matter how explicit.

sorry, I didnt realize that fictional characters have the same rights as everyone else.

well, now we need to arrest Solid Snake, Mario, Luigi, Link, Niko, C.J., Claude Speed, and numerous others, these simply for murder. since, you know, fictional characters have the same rights as real people.

If the UN really wants to go after something they should start going after the people who make the real life child porn and rape movies and books. Fantasy is just that fantasy these books/games are not teaching you how to rape step by step and they are not hurting anyone in fact I agree with the statements that they may actually be helping some people get out their agressions and fantasies without actually doing it in real life. I think that they are definitely not something you would sell or show to younger impressionable kids but if an adult wants to play or read it then so be it.

Censorship is not going to solve problems all it is doing is getting this industry more media and exposing more people to these games/books so they are basically just advertising it more then if they just left it alone.

Amnestic:

HyenaThePirate:

Kollega:

Besides,only unimaginative types need porn.

I'm rather curious about what you mean by this statement?

Are you suggesting that imaginative types find a way to get real sex by any means necessary?
That porn is only for people who either dont have the intelligence or courage to rape real LIVE women, or that they should just go pay for sex, which is also illegal in most countries?

I guess I just fail to see what is "unimaginative" about porn... Am i doing something wrong? Should I be attaching hidden cameras to my shoes then walking around the local mall? Maybe I should be cruising craigslist for all the BBW plumpers offering themselves up out of desperation?

A little clarification please..

Maybe he meant that people with active imaginations could just imagine sex instead of needing porn. I've heard that argument made before.

Yes and that argument fails.
By that reasoning, we have absolutely NO need for television, video games, or the movie industry.

That logic implies that Video games are for unimaginative people who should just play pen and paper rpgs with dice.

It implies that there is no need to see a movie based on a book, because only unimaginative people would need to SEE a movie instead of just reading the book and being imaginative.

Hell, for that matter, why have books? Why not just release two page synopsis of the stories and let Imaginative people fill in the blanks of how the story could or should have gone?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending rape games or porn obsessions, but to say that the use of porn is strictly for unimaginative people is to completely obliterate the need for any FORM of ART. Why view a painting in a museum when you should be imaginative enough to visualize the emotion yourself?

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