Old-Time Rockers Don't Like Rock Band

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Old-Time Rockers Don't Like Rock Band

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Rock dinosaurs Bill Wyman and Nick Mason have waded into the debate over music games, saying that games like Rock Band and Guitar Hero are a big reason why so many kids aren't interested in learning how to play a real instrument.

"It encourages kids not to learn, that's the trouble," Wyman, the former bassist for the Rolling Stones, told the BBC. "It makes less and less people dedicated to really get down and learn an instrument. I think is a pity so I'm not really keen on that kind of stuff."

Ironically, Wyman was speaking from Abbey Road Studios, best known for its association with the Beatles, where he was recording a Beatles cover for a charity album. His comments came on the eve of the release of The Beatles: Rock Band, which hit store shelves today.

His comments were echoed by Nick Mason, the drummer for Pink Floyd, who described music games as "interesting new developments" but made it clear they weren't his cup of tea. "It irritates me having watched my kids do it - if they spent as much time practicing the guitar as learning how to press the buttons they'd be damn good by now," he said.

Despite his irritation, however, Mason is pragmatic enough to recognize the value of videogames as a powerful new channel for music sales, saying that Pink Floyd would "consider" doing a Guitar Hero or Rock Band game in the future, as bands like Metallica, Aerosmith and The Beatles have already done. "I think everyone's looking at new ways of selling the music because the business of selling records has almost disappeared," he said.

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The fact is without Rock Band and Guitar Hero MOST kids today wouldn't be interested in Rock, at all.

EDIT: Just thought I'd highlight the MOST bit. Just to get it into peoples heads. That's MOST, not ALL. Notice the difference in length, letters and meaning of the statement as a whole. Now please stop quoting me.

Man, I wish I was a celebrity...just so I could pull statistics out of my ass. I'd be making stuff up like Ron Burgundy...

Malygris:
"It irritates me having watched my kids do it - if they spent as much time practicing the guitar as learning how to press the buttons they'd be damn good by now," he said.

Learning how to read notes requires the same effort it takes as pressing a color right when it comes on screen?

On the contrary, Guitar Hero and Rock Band actually encourage kids to learn real instruments.

EDIT: here's some source
http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/gadgets_and_gaming/article5266959.ece

Or because, you know, most of us have no interest in actually learning a musical instrument and use it as a glorified Kareoke Machine...

SomeBritishDude:
The fact is without Rock Band and Guitar Hero most kids today wouldn't be interested in Rock, at all.

It's debatable. I'd more likely attribute the fact that they love the music as part of the reason they got it in first place, outside those Christmas-time whiners.

Dudeakoff:
On the contrary, Guitar Hero and Rock Band actually encourage kids to learn real instruments.

Outstanding moment of hilarity when some kid brought in a guitar case to class and had one of those plastic ukuleles in it.

Malygris:
"It irritates me having watched my kids do it - if they spent as much time practicing the guitar as learning how to press the buttons they'd be damn good by now," he said.

They'd also be learning to shag groupies, snort coke, explain where the STD's come from, wreck hotel rooms, watch their contemporaries die from overdoses, and other stuff that Guitar Hero just can't prepare you for.

SomeBritishDude:
The fact is without Rock Band and Guitar Hero most kids today wouldn't be interested in Rock, at all.

That doesn't really sound like anything resembling a fact.

Anyway, I can't identify either of these people by name, so I don't really care what they think.
Also, nobody who is interested in learning to play a real instrument thinks "Man, learning to play guitar would kick ass, but pressing pretty colored buttons is a good substitute!"

SomeBritishDude:
The fact is without Rock Band and Guitar Hero most kids today wouldn't be interested in Rock, at all.

What? Are you kidding?

I can attest to ACTUALLY STOPPING TO LEARN GUITAR because of guitar hero. I mustered up the willpower to really try at my guitar at the same time I was given the game for my birthday, I played my guitar for a week, then played GH.

I had way too much fun and i didn't callous my fingers.

:'( (crying for what could have been)

I actually have to agree with this. After seeing several friends of mine put a LOT less time into their instruments since rock band has come out, it's been a pretty big disappointment. Really, though, that quote is so true. If people put the same time and energy into a real instrument as they did getting expert on whatever song, they'd have the potential to be pretty amazing musicians.

SomeBritishDude:
The fact is without Rock Band and Guitar Hero most kids today wouldn't be interested in Rock, at all.

I keep seeing this ignorant, ignorant statement time and time again. The bottom line is, before rock band and guitar hero, kids were still into rock and roll. Hell, even RIGHT before. You know why? Because music is an entirely different beast. People always have and always will be into music, and games like this give such a minor contribution, it's not even worth mentioning. Sure, there are artists they never would have listened to before in the mix. At least, not for a few more years. Everyones musical taste expands at some point. Using such a gimmicky way of attracting new fans isn't always a good thing, though.

Older folk don't like the latest games? Oh, SHOCKER.

I have a friend who plays all the GH and RB games and he bought an electric guitar. He still spends more time on the damn game though.

The_root_of_all_evil:

Malygris:
"It irritates me having watched my kids do it - if they spent as much time practicing the guitar as learning how to press the buttons they'd be damn good by now," he said.

They'd also be learning to shag groupies, snort coke, explain where the STD's come from, wreck hotel rooms, watch their contemporaries die from overdoses, and other stuff that Guitar Hero just can't prepare you for.

I know! If they're gonna do it they can at least do it right. Although it would be hilarious if those things ended up as mini-games in future releases of the series.

hansari:
Learning how to read notes requires the same effort it takes as pressing a color right when it comes on screen?

In reality, no. He does have a fair point though, if they did spend the time with a real musical instrument then they'd be on their way at least.

I have nothing against these games myself, as long as nobody acts impressed by anybody who is good at them. When you get people who show more reverence for how good somebody is at pretending to be a musician than being a real one, then you have issues.

MaxTheReaper:

Also, nobody who is interested in learning to play a real instrument thinks "Man, learning to play guitar would kick ass, but pressing pretty colored buttons is a good substitute!"

I think you are giving people way too much credit. Sure you are feeling ok Max?

Music games discourage kids from trying the real thing...but shooters encourage kids to try the real thing? Seems we get to claim anything we want without having to carry the burden of proving it. Did you know?...sports games make you fart.

Dudeakoff:
On the contrary, Guitar Hero and Rock Band actually encourage kids to learn real instruments.

Do they? I have yet to see any convincing arguements/statistics to show this

I also like how Nick Mason is saying that Pink Floyd would consider doing a version of Rock Band, better run that by David Gilmour and Roger Waters first as I dont see them going for it

I don't think playing GH/RB and playing guitar are mutually exclusive.
You can't substitute the pleasure of making you own music with

PedroSteckecilo:
a glorified Kareoke Machine...

(which I really like btw!)

Oh gods, I would absolutely kill for a Pink Floyd Rock Band game...

shadowcode:
Oh gods, I would absolutely kill for a Pink Floyd Rock Band game...

Ironically I would kill for there not to be such a Rock Band game,

Considering that the music industry sees a slew of new bands every fortnight that look and sound exactly like every other popular band making records, I say make more Guitar Hero and Rock Band games. Distract little Johnny from picking up a real guitar, learning three chords, and getting any kind of notoriety as a "musician".

Played plenty of Rock Band and Guitar Hero, but don't actually own them because of cost. I'd much rather buy and learn to play a real instrument, but again there's the cost factor.

Malygris:
Old-Time Rockers Don't Like Rock Band

Why so many kids aren't interested in learning how to play a real instrument.[/b]

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This is coming from a bassist.......
Please don't kill me bassists of the world, I used to be one of your number

Machines Are Us:
I have nothing against these games myself, as long as nobody acts impressed by anybody who is good at them. When you get people who show more reverence for how good somebody is at pretending to be a musician than being a real one, then you have issues.

Nobody should be impressed with anyone's skill in any videogame. Like, ever.

uppitycracker:
I actually have to agree with this. After seeing several friends of mine put a LOT less time into their instruments since rock band has come out, it's been a pretty big disappointment. Really, though, that quote is so true. If people put the same time and energy into a real instrument as they did getting expert on whatever song, they'd have the potential to be pretty amazing musicians..

Machines Are Us:
In reality, no. He does have a fair point though, if they did spend the time with a real musical instrument then they'd be on their way at least.

But thats the formula argument for anything. All the time you spend on ____ you could be ______ and be really good at it.

Fact is, if you really have an interest in something, you will do it. This is just another "weening" out process. If you get a thrill mashing colored buttons and pretending, so be it.

The_root_of_all_evil:

Malygris:
"It irritates me having watched my kids do it - if they spent as much time practicing the guitar as learning how to press the buttons they'd be damn good by now," he said.

They'd also be learning to shag groupies, snort coke, explain where the STD's come from, wreck hotel rooms, watch their contemporaries die from overdoses, and other stuff that Guitar Hero just can't prepare you for.

Um, no.
1. Kids who play the guitar do not necessarily form bands.
2. Kids who form bands do not necessarily do the things you said.
3. Guitar itself is nothing to do with those things, in fact, it's incredibly hypocritical to go around saying videogames aren't a bad influence but guitar, well that will fuck you up nicely.

hansari:
Learning how to read notes requires the same effort it takes as pressing a color right when it comes on screen?

You don't really have to be able to read notes to play the guitar though.
And pressing them colored buttons in order and such have similarities to playing guitar for real.
Not the same thing, I know, but I get his point.

I almost wish I could say I empathize, but I don't. I disagree with both of them.

Besides, until they come out with Clarinet Hero, my position is secure.

They both forget that the games are aimed at casual fans who enjoy the chance to recreate playing songs by their favourite artists. Honestly, I'd say with the dawn of easy to access music via youtube, last.fm and downloads more, not less, people are picking up musical instruments, albeit the popular ones that are associated with a modern rock band (e.g. guitar, bass, drums)

SomeBritishDude:
The fact is without Rock Band and Guitar Hero most kids today wouldn't be interested in Rock, at all.

Not really a fact is it.

ShredHead:

The_root_of_all_evil:

Malygris:
"It irritates me having watched my kids do it - if they spent as much time practicing the guitar as learning how to press the buttons they'd be damn good by now," he said.

They'd also be learning to shag groupies, snort coke, explain where the STD's come from, wreck hotel rooms, watch their contemporaries die from overdoses, and other stuff that Guitar Hero just can't prepare you for.

Um, no.
1. Kids who play the guitar do not necessarily form bands.
2. Kids who form bands do not necessarily do the things you said.
3. Guitar itself is nothing to do with those things, in fact, it's incredibly hypocritical to go around saying videogames aren't a bad influence but guitar, well that will fuck you up nicely.

Dude, fairly sure he was joking.

shadowcode:
Oh gods, I would absolutely kill for a Pink Floyd Rock Band game...

Dude....Same here....Kill and drag to people to hell...

I've tried learning how to play the guitar. I don't have the dexterity for it (or something). Rockband, like many other games, is my way of doing something that I'd like to do but can't for one reason or another.

I love it when celebrities state their baseless opinions as if they're facts to the media.

I'm eagerly anticipating the day when a professional boxer will condemn the Fight Night games for encouraging kids not to want to jump in the ring and knock a sucka out.

happysock:

SomeBritishDude:
The fact is without Rock Band and Guitar Hero most kids today wouldn't be interested in Rock, at all.

Not really a fact is it.

uppitycracker:

I keep seeing this ignorant, ignorant statement time and time again.

MaxTheReaper:

That doesn't really sound like anything resembling a fact.

Dale Cooper:
What? Are you kidding?

Wow, people really didn't like that. Let me retract that "fact" a moment. All I'm saying is that these games have worked wonders for this generation. I should know, I'm part of it. It's certainly helped the Rock genre more than it's hurt it, a hell of a lot more. Personally I think the old timers should be grateful that these classics have been brought to this generation in a brand new form, one that is compatible with an era where video games are nearly as popular as music or films.

Sure there are people who listened to rock before Guitar Hero and there still is, I'm just saying it helped.

SomeBritishDude:

happysock:

SomeBritishDude:
The fact is without Rock Band and Guitar Hero most kids today wouldn't be interested in Rock, at all.

Not really a fact is it.

uppitycracker:

I keep seeing this ignorant, ignorant statement time and time again.

MaxTheReaper:

That doesn't really sound like anything resembling a fact.

Dale Cooper:
What? Are you kidding?

Wow, people really didn't like that. Let me retract that "fact" a moment. All I'm saying is that these games have worked wonders for this generation. I should know, I'm part of it. It's certainly helped the Rock genre more than it's hurt it, a hell of a lot more. Personally I think the old timers should be grateful that these classics have been brought to this generation in a brand new form, one that is compatible with an era where video games are nearly as popular as music or films.

Sure there are people who listened to rock before Guitar Hero and there still is, I'm just saying it helped.

Thats better :D I do agree it has helped the rock side of the music industry massively, however I was into rock way before guitar hero and rockband which was why I pulled you up on it

ShredHead:

The_root_of_all_evil:

Malygris:
"It irritates me having watched my kids do it - if they spent as much time practicing the guitar as learning how to press the buttons they'd be damn good by now," he said.

They'd also be learning to shag groupies, snort coke, explain where the STD's come from, wreck hotel rooms, watch their contemporaries die from overdoses, and other stuff that Guitar Hero just can't prepare you for.

Um, no.
1. Kids who play the guitar do not necessarily form bands.
2. Kids who form bands do not necessarily do the things you said.
3. Guitar itself is nothing to do with those things, in fact, it's incredibly hypocritical to go around saying videogames aren't a bad influence but guitar, well that will fuck you up nicely.

You know, doctors have perfected the surgery that pulls the rod from one's butt and allows them to get a joke.

But I digress. Do Bart Starr and Joe Montana argue that the Madden series somehow makes kids think they are as good as NFL players?

Do the Andretti's say that about racing games?

Do Army Special Forces guys say that about Call of Duty 4?

No, of course not.

And to those that say that the time you spend on GH or RB is equal to practicing a real instrument either never really played, aren't very good, or are so damned old they forgot how hard it was to get good.

I played when I was younger. I wasn't very good. I'm simply not gifted with musical talent. Much in the same way I'm not gifted with world class athletic ability or the various abilities to be a Navy SEAL.

Videogames allow to escape from my average life for a few minutes and entertain myself with these little fantasies.

So, fuck all the douchebag music snobs (and that is exactly what you are) who try and ruin that little bit of fun for me.

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