UK Retailer Allegedly Discriminates Against Jedi

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UK Retailer Allegedly Discriminates Against Jedi

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The founder of the International Church of Jediism claims he was victimized after being ejected from a Welsh supermarket for wearing his hooded Jedi cloak.

Those poor Jedi can never get a break, can they? Even after being betrayed and hunted down to near-extinction thanks to the decree of Emperor Palpatine, the few Jedi who escaped persecution by fleeing to a tiny little backwater mudhole called Earth still face opposition on a daily basis. So it was with 23-year-old Daniel Jones, founder of the International Church of Jediism, who was kicked out of a Tesco supermarket in North Wales over security fears pertaining to his religious garb - that is, his hooded cloak.

The religion, which Jones officially founded last year, is practiced by 500,000 individuals and requires members to wear their cloaks with the hoods up in "any public place of a large audience" which would presumably include supermarkets. When Jones refused to lower his hood, objecting on religious grounds, he was kicked out:

"I told them it was a requirement of my religion but they just sniggered and ordered me to leave ... I walked past a Muslim lady in a veil. Surely the same rules should apply to everyone."

Though Jones said he would consider asking the religion's followers to boycott the store if it happened again, a Tesco spokesperson countered: "Jedi are very welcome to shop in our stores although we would ask them to remove their hoods. Obi-Wan Kenobi, Yoda and Luke Skywalker all went hoodless without going to the Dark Side. If Jedi walk around our stores with their hoods on, they'll miss lots of special offers."

Well played, Tesco. Well played indeed.

(The Telegraph, via The Consumerist)

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I can understand where Tesco are coming from. It's the same in most UK stores. I guess the point is if you stole something wearing a hood it'd be hard to identify you using CCTV. The same for not wearing sunglasses in some stores.

Wow, they just got owned. Kudos to the spokesperson who is probably a geek himself.

Ignoring the obvious criticisms of Jedi being a 'religion' I don't recall any of the Star Wars characters insisting upon having their hoods up in every crowded areas.

Doc Theta Sigma:
I can understand where Tesco are coming from. It's the same in most UK stores. I guess the point is if you stole something wearing a hood it'd be hard to identify you using CCTV. The same for not wearing sunglasses in some stores.

Damn, someone beat me to the reasoning behind this.

Anyway, Tesco is in the right here (in addition to being totally awesome for knowing enough about Star Wars to make a proper counter.)

Good for Tescos, then again if youre walking around in full jedi gear getting kicked out of a store is the least of your worries.

I fully agree with Tesco.

"Jedi are very welcome to shop in our stores although we would ask them to remove their hoods. Obi-Wan Kenobi, Yoda and Luke Skywalker all went hoodless without going to the Dark Side. If Jedi walk around our stores with their hoods on, they'll miss lots of special offers."

That is perhaps one of the funniest things I've read.

"If Jedi walk around our stores with their hoods on, they'll miss lots of special offers."

ahahahahaahahaaha

Oh thats just great.

Pshaw, old news.

Am I allowed to reply with just saying 'ROFLMAO!!'? :D

Machines Are Us:
Ignoring the obvious criticisms of Jedi being a 'religion' I don't recall any of the Star Wars characters insisting upon having their hoods up in every crowded areas.

They're just attention whores. Girls didn't pay attention to them in high school, so now they have to run around in cloaks to get anyone to look at them. It's embarrassing.

CantFaketheFunk:
"Jedi are very welcome to shop in our stores although we would ask them to remove their hoods. Obi-Wan Kenobi, Yoda and Luke Skywalker all went hoodless without going to the Dark Side. If Jedi walk around our stores with their hoods on, they'll miss lots of special offers."

They have earned a lot of respect from me, which is bizarre as they are planning to build over 94% of my neighborhood.

Well, as long as they do the same for every other group.
[won't post what I was going to say]

I fail to grasp the point behind keeping a hood up. As Tesco guys said,Obi-Wan and Luke were just fine despite NOT wearing hoods.

Avernus:
Am I allowed to reply with just saying 'ROFLMAO!!'? :D

Yeah, go for it =]

Those "Jedi" have no right to complain. A whole bunch of them were arrested here in my country during a Star Wars themed birthday party.

A real jedi would of used some jedi mind tricks on guy asking him to leave. Also I heard they get lightsaber training.

I love these people. I do not know them. But I love them. That was brilliant

"Jedi are very welcome to shop in our stores although we would ask them to remove their hoods. Obi-Wan Kenobi, Yoda and Luke Skywalker all went hoodless without going to the Dark Side. If Jedi walk around our stores with their hoods on, they'll miss lots of special offers."

Tesco corporate sense of humour 1

Faux Jedi 0

Ah well, serves him right for being rude and refusing to take his hood off indoors.

What a complete moron.

He thinks he should get the same rights as Muslims, when his relgion is based around a movie franchise. Muslims had to do alot of political fighting to get themselves recoginised in the UK, now this dick just went and completely undermined it.

The Force is strong with this one...but not as strong as Tesco security.

"These are not the hoodies you're looking for..."

See this is why the PC in my country annoys me, I mean yeah the whole hood thing is kind of silly in itself, but the fact that Muslims and the like are allowed but he isnt is just silly, because Tesco know that if they did ask a Muslim to remove their veil they would be sued or put under immediate fire from the press, for something so simple as security measures in the event one of them did decide to steal something, surely allowing people to wonder around in veils where you cant see their face in a SHOP is a terrible security hole? Balaclavas or hockey masks would be counted as a security risk I'm sure, but the second Muslims are involved, ooh it's racism or discrimination.

Now, know I am not moaning at muslims here, in fact, quite the opposite, people in the UK are so PC about everything that companies are frightened to do anything for a logical reason due to non muslim (blacks, gays or whatever) suddenly shouting "DISCRIMINATION!", obviously i'm sure there are some people in said groups that have sued, but for the most part it's the non groups shouting over nothing, it's bloody stupid.

Sparrow:
What a complete moron.

He thinks he should get the same rights as Muslims, when his relgion is based around a movie franchise. Muslims had to do alot of political fighting to get themselves recoginised in the UK, now this dick just went and completely undermined it.

However, I do ask what exactly gives them the right to do that? If you're not muslim you'd be arrested or made to leave by security for masking your face in public or in a shop/bank/whatever, but as soon as you're Muslim it's okay to create a massive hole in security procedures?

I'm a huge Star Wars fan. I love it.

And yet even I have to say these "Jediism" guys are fucking idiots if they think they deserve the same respect as any organized religion.

... Though I'd still treat them better than I would scientologists.

Old news im afraid mate, theres a 200 replie thread about this already.

OT: Good for Tesco, jedi is not a religon. Because if it is then so is TF2!

Reuq:
Old news im afraid mate, theres a 200 replie thread about this already.

OT: Good for Tesco, jedi is not a religon. Because if it is then so is TF2!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russels_teapot

elvor0:

Reuq:
Old news im afraid mate, theres a 200 replie thread about this already.

OT: Good for Tesco, jedi is not a religon. Because if it is then so is TF2!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russels_teapot

I not see what you are getting at, you linked me to an anti religion topic?

Doc Theta Sigma:
I can understand where Tesco are coming from. It's the same in most UK stores. I guess the point is if you stole something wearing a hood it'd be hard to identify you using CCTV. The same for not wearing sunglasses in some stores.

What and a burka isnt

elvor0:
See this is why the PC in my country annoys me, I mean yeah the whole hood thing is kind of silly in itself, but the fact that Muslims and the like are allowed but he isnt is just silly, because Tesco know that if they did ask a Muslim to remove their veil they would be sued or put under immediate fire from the press, for something so simple as security measures in the event one of them did decide to steal something, surely allowing people to wonder around in veils where you cant see their face in a SHOP is a terrible security hole? Balaclavas or hockey masks would be counted as a security risk I'm sure, but the second Muslims are involved, ooh it's racism or discrimination.

Now, know I am not moaning at muslims here, in fact, quite the opposite, people in the UK are so PC about everything that companies are frightened to do anything for a logical reason due to non muslim (blacks, gays or whatever) suddenly shouting "DISCRIMINATION!", obviously i'm sure there are some people in said groups that have sued, but for the most part it's the non groups shouting over nothing, it's bloody stupid.

Sparrow:
What a complete moron.

He thinks he should get the same rights as Muslims, when his relgion is based around a movie franchise. Muslims had to do alot of political fighting to get themselves recoginised in the UK, now this dick just went and completely undermined it.

However, I do ask what exactly gives them the right to do that? If you're not muslim you'd be arrested or made to leave by security for masking your face in public or in a shop/bank/whatever, but as soon as you're Muslim it's okay to create a massive hole in security procedures?

the difference is that Islam is a recognized religion around the world and Jedi isn't one. also what a Muslim wears is a lot different than a hoodie and stuff associated with criminals

CantFaketheFunk:

Though Jones said he would consider asking the religion's followers to boycott the store if it happened again, a Tesco spokesperson countered: "Jedi are very welcome to shop in our stores although we would ask them to remove their hoods. Obi-Wan Kenobi, Yoda and Luke Skywalker all went hoodless without going to the Dark Side. If Jedi walk around our stores with their hoods on, they'll miss lots of special offers."

Well played, Tesco. Well played indeed.

this is the funniest part of the whole article, he got out geeked in his own "faith" by a person who isn't one of his own "faith"

Reuq:

elvor0:

Reuq:
Old news im afraid mate, theres a 200 replie thread about this already.

OT: Good for Tesco, jedi is not a religon. Because if it is then so is TF2!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russels_teapot

I not see what you are getting at, you linked me to an anti religion topic?

He is saying that strictly speaking, as religion is based upon faith only then you cannot claim an religion is less true than another.

Reuq:

elvor0:

Reuq:
Old news im afraid mate, theres a 200 replie thread about this already.

OT: Good for Tesco, jedi is not a religon. Because if it is then so is TF2!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russels_teapot

I not see what you are getting at, you linked me to an anti religion topic?

I assume you just directly replied to the thread as opposed to reading replies (which is fair enough), so I wont go on as if you read my earlier post, but it's worth pointing out that saying the religion is silly compared to Muslism, is that religion is just that, a series of beliefs :P I'm not going into an anti religion thing with that, I was just making that point as a reply to what you said.

The point of the theory is that if it is said to be a religion it can be how it likes, given the afore mentioned point that religion is a series of belief relying on faith as opposed to evidence, therefore I very well could decide that TF2 was a religion based on X beliefs and no one could disprove me. Therefor Jedi is very much a legitimate religion.

Although the guy above me said it much faster and to the point.

cleverlymadeup:

the difference is that Islam is a recognized religion around the world and Jedi isn't one. also what a Muslim wears is a lot different than a hoodie and stuff associated with criminals

this is the funniest part of the whole article, he got out geeked in his own "faith" by a person who isn't one of his own "faith"

I thought it was actually an officially recognized religion now? However, point still stands that it is kind of a big hole in security measures. I dont think anyone should be able to do it, religious or not.

The only Jedi I know of who never lowered his hood was Darth Sidious after he got maimed... you don't think?... Do you?

My Dad one Christmas walked down to our local newsagents dressed as Darth Vader...

murphy7801:

Doc Theta Sigma:
I can understand where Tesco are coming from. It's the same in most UK stores. I guess the point is if you stole something wearing a hood it'd be hard to identify you using CCTV. The same for not wearing sunglasses in some stores.

What and a burka isnt

I never said it wasn't. Either way regardless of religion its a security risk. Did I say at any point in my post that it'd be different if he was Muslim?

elvor0:
See this is why the PC in my country annoys me, I mean yeah the whole hood thing is kind of silly in itself, but the fact that Muslims and the like are allowed but he isnt is just silly, because Tesco know that if they did ask a Muslim to remove their veil they would be sued or put under immediate fire from the press, for something so simple as security measures in the event one of them did decide to steal something, surely allowing people to wonder around in veils where you cant see their face in a SHOP is a terrible security hole? Balaclavas or hockey masks would be counted as a security risk I'm sure, but the second Muslims are involved, ooh it's racism or discrimination.

Now, know I am not moaning at muslims here, in fact, quite the opposite, people in the UK are so PC about everything that companies are frightened to do anything for a logical reason due to non muslim (blacks, gays or whatever) suddenly shouting "DISCRIMINATION!", obviously i'm sure there are some people in said groups that have sued, but for the most part it's the non groups shouting over nothing, it's bloody stupid.

Sparrow:
What a complete moron.

He thinks he should get the same rights as Muslims, when his relgion is based around a movie franchise. Muslims had to do alot of political fighting to get themselves recoginised in the UK, now this dick just went and completely undermined it.

However, I do ask what exactly gives them the right to do that? If you're not muslim you'd be arrested or made to leave by security for masking your face in public or in a shop/bank/whatever, but as soon as you're Muslim it's okay to create a massive hole in security procedures?

I would argue instead, what gives the government the right not to let them wear their hoods? It's part of their faith, which they pratice day in a day out with dedication, some even going as far to die for it.

This "Jedi" is just an attention grabbing whore.

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