EB Games Australia to Boycott PSPgo Too?

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EB Games Australia to Boycott PSPgo Too?

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Adding to the recent hubbub over retailers' frustration with Sony's PSPgo, the Australian branch of EB Games will reportedly be refusing to stock the digital-download-only handheld when it launches next week.

Another week closer to the October 1st launch of Sony's PSPgo, and some more bad news for the hardware giant. Following the announcement last week that major Dutch specialty retailer Nedgame would be refusing to stock the handheld device and UK retailer ShopTo following suit, another store has thrown its hat in the pile: Some investigation by Kotaku Australia indicates that EB Games' branch Down Under will not be stocking the PSPgo at all:

We've heard that EB Games is refusing to stock the PSPgo in Australia.

If you go the EB website you won't find any mention of the handheld, despite its launch date being next week. If you call your local EB store-and we have spoken to several Sydney stores in the last 24 hours-you'll find the PSPgo is not in their system. We even spoke to one rival retailer who urged us to preorder the PSPgo from his store because "EB aren't stocking it."

Yesterday we contacted EB's head office to verify the rumours. We were told EB would not be commenting on the PSPgo.

As before, it's not hard to see why retailers are frustrated with the PSPgo. Retail margins on hardware are often very slim - in the neighborhood of a few dollars - and most stores make the vast majority of their profits on game sales, whether new or used. The PSPgo does not use physical media, instead selling games solely via digital download through Sony's own store. In essence, retailers would be taking up valuable shelf space for a few dollars' profit on hardware that would literally never bring the user back into the store to buy games.

On the other hand, the secondhand game market has been a growing thorn in the side of publishers for some time now, because they see used sales as essentially lost sales - they get none of the profit. Since the PSPgo's digital distribution service effectively eliminates any secondhand market (short of selling the handheld itself), it wouldn't be surprising to see publishers looking to board the gravy train even at the risk of vexing brick-and-mortar retailers.

EB Games may be the biggest name on the list to shun the PSPgo so far (and this is Australia, so I guess we're learning it's not just a European thing) but Escapists on the bottom of the world who are looking to snag the PSPgo still have some options. EB Games' biggest Australian competitors - GAME and JB Hi-Fi - will both be stocking the handheld when it hits stores at the end of next week.

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Awww. I'm really starting to feel sorry for Sony. Everyone is giving them a hard time, aren't they?

Hmm, I'm suprised the government didn't already ban it.... they do everything else.

I can't say I blame them. I'm sure the PSPgo will be a nice handheld, but you can't fault EB Games for not wanting to sell something that won't bring them any money.

lol pspgo = epic fail

Everyone SHOULD boycott this thing, it does not serve our best interests as consumers as I've said before. Any kind of totally online system for games and game distribution takes away our right to a "disc in hand", basically having some "property" associated with it, along with the right to say re-install the game 10 years later without having to worry if the service you DLed from is still up or whatever. It's also not like the games industry ever lowered their prices due to "cutting out the packaging and shipping" you pay the same bloody thing for a digitally distributed game as you do for a packaged one. It's just more profit for them.

I see why Sony wants it, and it DOES benefit them. Digital Distribution is great for the industry on a ton of levels. It however carries absolutly NO benefits for consumers, and the PSPgo is pretty much the current face of that trend along with the DSi (albeit to a lesser extent).

I do not support Australia's censorship policies, but I support them here and think the USA should get involved as well to be brutally honest.

Also keep in mind that EB does a huge business based on game trade ins. Why on earth should they support a product that exists to hurt their business? It's like a conveinence store clerk handing out free guns with a "please rob me" sign out front.

I rarely sell games (I have a pretty big collection as I am something of a collector) but the abillity to sell the game or trade it in is one of my bloody rights, and one I do not feel like giving up. While EB is concerned about their bottom line, it happens to coincide with what benefits me as well.

See, if the gaming industry wants me to support this whole digital distribution type stuff, then they are going to have to do it in a fashion that benefits me in some way. I recommend all gamers think this way.

Right now to get me to support them they would hve to do things like SUBSTANTIALLY lower prices, and then willingly introduce legislation into the goverments where they sell on their own to prevent themselves from raising their prices other than the minimum needed to keep up with gradual inflation. Bssically a set limit on their own profits (which I doubt they would do).

The reason for such legislation would of course be to avoid the "Wal*Mart" stategy. That being where they lower the prices on everything to ridiculous amounts to drive all the local businesses out of competition and then raise the prices back up. Left to their own devices the games industry might lower prices to get people to DL games but will do so only until they no longer had to compete with a physical game market and they had everyone by the wrinklies. Thus I'd only trust it *IF* they were to find a way to prevent themselves from doing exactly that other than some half arsed "promise".

The bottom line is, just don't support products like this. Laugh at them. Treat anyone who supports them with scorn. Bully kids at school who have a PSPgo or DSi. It's actually a pretty big issue as far as gaming goes, and it needs grassroots support. This is one of the situations where a gamer boycott is needed, and it's about something much bigger than what gaming company slotted you off with some bit of content (or lack there of).

Aww Sony just can't get a break, can they? Maybe when a decent number of stores refuse to stock something that screws them completely, Sony will go back, rethink it's business model and come up with the ultimate console/handheld hybrid with perfect in-built motion controls that seem so seamless noone complains about it and an opening library that's good at a decent price because they stick with Blu-Ray, or maybe even go back to DVD?

Or they'll learn nothing from this exercise and lose out even more.

Having just bought a new PSP 3000 to replace my worn and weathered 1000, I think my stance on the handheld is clear. I'll never buy a PSPGo. I like my UMD games too much.

I totally agree with EB games. The PSPGo will not be a hot enough item to justify the stocking of the item. It's a bit early to fully support a piece of gaming hardware solely with digital content and nothing else. Could be they were looking for reasons to cut off UMD production sooner since all of their licensees abandoned it so quickly.

It's sort of comparable to how there'll always be a market for CDs regardless of the growth of digital music downloads. Some people just need to have a physical object to justify their purchase.

UltimatheChosen:
I can't say I blame them. I'm sure the PSPgo will be a nice handheld, but you can't fault EB Games for not wanting to sell something that won't bring them any money.

The CONSOLE makes them money. Selling PSN Point cards or whatever makes them money. Refusing to sell the console just because they can't sell used games for it is a strong arming scam to get their way. They are a retailer, they have no business making decisions about the product, their job is to SELL it.

I'm not buying the PSPGo nor am I Austrailian or Dutch. So I honestly don't care.

Sony keep getting screwed by many a retailers. It's easy to see why, mind you.

TsunamiWombat:

UltimatheChosen:
I can't say I blame them. I'm sure the PSPgo will be a nice handheld, but you can't fault EB Games for not wanting to sell something that won't bring them any money.

The CONSOLE makes them money. Selling PSN Point cards or whatever makes them money. Refusing to sell the console just because they can't sell used games for it is a strong arming scam to get their way. They are a retailer, they have no business making decisions about the product, their job is to SELL it.

It's strong arming on both ends. Sony cuts out the necessity of UMD's and the UMD drive from the PSP. Automatic profit right there. Sony wants you to buy point cards to purchase games for the Go, more profit for them with nothing going to any retailers. You see how this hurts EB Games' bottom line?

The fact of the matter is it's one company forcing their new business model on the consumer that circumstantially also hurts a major retailer. So EB Games essentially let out a big "Fuck you, Sony!" and refused to carry it. For something that will do little in the way of make me a lot of money and take up valuable shelf space, I'd refuse to sell it too. Why blindly sell something that will not benefit you in any substantial way in the long run? Retailers are companies too.

One less store selling it basically means less money to them and more to other retailers.

I don't get it though. Currys/ Dixons have no problem selling MP3 players, CD players, etc, but not music even though music is becoming more and more downloaded than bought in retail stores. What's so different about selling a video game device that requires you to download the videogames?

GamingAwesome1:

Sony keep getting screwed by many a retailers. It's easy to see why, mind you.

I know. Sony are responsible for so many awesome games. Envy and jealousy are powerful forces.

Therumancer:
Everyone SHOULD boycott this thing, it does not serve our best interests as consumers as I've said before.

Being able to buy the game as a download at full price is better than not being able to buy the game at all.

I don't know where you are at, but here in the UK certain stores have stopped selling PSP games because they aren't selling as well as DS games. So Sony AND consumers of that system suffer sales simply because retailers don't want to sell their product.

So Sony come up with the solution to sell their products online because everyone else turned their back and suddenly people like you have a problem with that? Give me a break.

Yes, it's more money to Sony, but if a game is worth £30, then there's nothing wrong with buying it for £30.

God damn it, why is everyone boycotting everyone else nowadays ?

TsunamiWombat:

UltimatheChosen:
I can't say I blame them. I'm sure the PSPgo will be a nice handheld, but you can't fault EB Games for not wanting to sell something that won't bring them any money.

The CONSOLE makes them money. Selling PSN Point cards or whatever makes them money. Refusing to sell the console just because they can't sell used games for it is a strong arming scam to get their way. They are a retailer, they have no business making decisions about the product, their job is to SELL it.

As was stated in the article, they only make a tiny profit on each console sold, and you're not going to be selling a $250 item in large volumes to make up for the small margin.

And as far as the cards go... if they're anything like Microsoft's cards, I doubt they make much profit on those, either. Microsoft point cards cost EXACTLY as much as the points would when buying them directly from Xbox Live. I'm assuming the shop gets a small cut (with the remainder going directly to Sony), but again, it's probably significantly less than they'd get from regular game sales.

TsunamiWombat:

UltimatheChosen:
I can't say I blame them. I'm sure the PSPgo will be a nice handheld, but you can't fault EB Games for not wanting to sell something that won't bring them any money.

The CONSOLE makes them money. Selling PSN Point cards or whatever makes them money. Refusing to sell the console just because they can't sell used games for it is a strong arming scam to get their way. They are a retailer, they have no business making decisions about the product, their job is to SELL it.

A big chunk of profit comes from reselling games they buy used.

What the fuck do people, and retailers, have against the PSPgo?

Therumancer:
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Agreed completely. It's a growing trend that does indeed need to stop, from Microsoft doing it on the 360, to Nintendo with the DSi, and Sony with the Go! and supposed PSN PS2 titles. Removing BC only to do such a thing as resell the games digitally is pretty bad.

Terramax:

I don't know where you are at, but here in the UK certain stores have stopped selling PSP games because they aren't selling as well as DS games. So Sony AND consumers of that system suffer sales simply because retailers don't want to sell their product.

So Sony come up with the solution to sell their products online because everyone else turned their back and suddenly people like you have a problem with that? Give me a break.

Surely you don't believe that...you really think that this was to save the PSP consumers from the deserting retailers? I live in the UK and I've seen plenty of stores that sell PSP games. Same with online retailers.

Dang sony's not getting any love anymore.

Megacherv:
What the fuck do people, and retailers, have against the PSPgo?

Retailers like to make money by selling games.

Terramax:
One less store selling it basically means less money to them and more to other retailers.

I don't get it though. Currys/ Dixons have no problem selling MP3 players, CD players, etc, but not music even though music is becoming more and more downloaded than bought in retail stores. What's so different about selling a video game device that requires you to download the videogames?

It's a lot different with a console. Most MP3 players allow you to purchase your music from whatever digital download service you want (Yes, even with an iPod.) But Sony here is saying we buy this console, and then pay a retail price for games that we're buying directly from the company, and that we can ONLY buy directly from them. Thus eliminating competition and raising their profits from wholesale value to retail value while knocking out manufacturing costs.

DrunkWithPower:
Hmm, I'm suprised the government didn't already ban it.... they do everything else.

Since all of the psp games are banned, this probably isn't a big loss for Australians.

Good god, where do I start?

Firstly, good for the retailers for not taking a bum deal. If Sony wants to cut retailers out of the games market, they sure as hell better make up for it with hardware profits, otherwise why should retailers even care?

Also, fuck any publisher who dislikes the used games market. There's a little thing called the First Sale Doctrine (at least, if you are American, though every country really should have this) that says, if you buy something, you can do whatever you want with it, including selling it to somebody else, and there's not a goddamn thing the original seller can do. So what do modern publishers do? Load it up with DRM so that, even if you did sell it, nobody else could use it. Fuck that. Just because you have the technological means doesn't mean you can go breaking laws -- that's what your beloved DMCA is all about.

If they are so worried about used games, maybe they should make games that people don't want to resell a week later. No retailer is going broke because their 5 year old copy of a bargain bin game isn't selling; the money they are after is for new games. If there's already a market for used games when copies are still flying off the shelves, clearly their product doesn't have any staying power.

While they're at it, maybe they should ban rentals, reviews, and the ability to lend your console to a friend. God knows they'd sell a lot more if unsuspecting consumers couldn't find out the game was shit until after they had spent $60 on it.

Good christ. It's far past time these old media moguls died.

TsunamiWombat:

UltimatheChosen:
I can't say I blame them. I'm sure the PSPgo will be a nice handheld, but you can't fault EB Games for not wanting to sell something that won't bring them any money.

The CONSOLE makes them money. Selling PSN Point cards or whatever makes them money. Refusing to sell the console just because they can't sell used games for it is a strong arming scam to get their way. They are a retailer, they have no business making decisions about the product, their job is to SELL it.

The console makes them piddly crap, to be honest. And it isn't just *used* games, it's games in general - the markup on software is MUCH higher than on hardware.

In what way is it not a retailer's business to decide what it's going to stock? They have no obligation to Sony or anyone else.

Sparrow:
Awww. I'm really starting to feel sorry for Sony. Everyone is giving them a hard time, aren't they?

Dude they're trying to give all the stores the shaft.
If you should feel sorry fo ranyone it's them

as a pc user i only buy games either via download or off the net since its often 10-20% cheaper, its about time the stores died out, i may sound bitter, and thats because i am!, i get way better service from steam or other on line stores, i get a cheaper price and i dont use my entire shopping experience either running around a store looking for a game they may not have or use my entire shopping experience telling some dude that i am only interested in this particular game.

the shops looses on every single point, except that sometimes you have to wait 1-2 days for the game, but the 20% saving and the rest makes up for it.

Therumancer:
Treat anyone who supports them with scorn. Bully kids at school who have a PSPgo or DSi.

Why?

The DSi is doing nothing different than every other console out there that currently supports DLC. And the fact of the matter is, DLC is the greatest tool an indie developer has to reach the market. Not every publisher/developer can afford the costs associated with creating the discs and packaging. And without Indie developers we wouldn't have gems like Shadow Complex, Fat Princess or Flip Champs. The idea of a system that utilizes DLC only may not be wanted right now but it is the direction things are heading(look at PC games.)

I won't be buying one purely for the facts
A.I like my PSP games thank you very much
B.I want to be able to trade IN a game from my PSP (in case the games SUCKS)
C. I have a perfectly good PSP that I have no desire to give up.

There's just something fishy about buying a downloadable game...

PaleKnight09:

Therumancer:
Treat anyone who supports them with scorn. Bully kids at school who have a PSPgo or DSi.

Why?

The DSi is doing nothing different than every other console out there that currently supports DLC. And the fact of the matter is, DLC is the greatest tool an indie developer has to reach the market. Not every publisher/developer can afford the costs associated with creating the discs and packaging. And without Indie developers we wouldn't have gems like Shadow Complex, Fat Princess or Flip Champs. The idea of a system that utilizes DLC only may not be wanted right now but it is the direction things are heading(look at PC games.)

Yeah seriously if we're supposed to look down on people with a DSi then we might as well look down on people with regular PSPs, Xbox 360s, PS3s, Nintendo Wii, use Steam, use Impulse, use GoG.com, use an Emulator, etc.

Hell why would anybody ridicule somebody based on their console choice, that's just dumb. I agreed with most everything else Therumancer said but this...this was just a bad and misinformed thing to say.

Anyway back onto the PSPGo. In between the price tag and the retailer backlash it's really not looking too good for Sony here, and perhaps rightfully so. My borderline hatred for them aside I think what they've really needed is someone or something to knock them off their pedestal and give them a reality check, and this could be what does it.

Lvl 64 Klutz:

It's a lot different with a console. Most MP3 players allow you to purchase your music from whatever digital download service you want (Yes, even with an iPod.)

I think you missed my point. A retailer doesn't want to sell the game player (PSPgo) because they're not able to sell the games for it, but there are plenty of retailers that sell a music player that aren't able to/ choose not to sell the music for it.

If tomorrow all music companies decided to stop selling music in disc form and made it all download only, would these retailers retaliate by not selling MP3/ CD players anymore?

Besides, last time I checked itunes sell MP4s and they don't work on other MP3 players unless you find a way to crack them. Correct me if I'm wrong as it's been a while since I did buy from their store.

ChromeAlchemist:

Surely you don't believe that...you really think that this was to save the PSP consumers from the deserting retailers? I live in the UK and I've seen plenty of stores that sell PSP games. Same with online retailers.

I can honestly say where I am in the UK hardly any of the stores are selling PSP games and when they do it's a very small selection. Online retail is another thing, but why buy retail online when you can get it for download at Sony's online store much faster?

But Sony here is saying we buy this console, and then pay a retail price for games that we're buying directly from the company, and that we can ONLY buy directly from them. Thus eliminating competition and raising their profits from wholesale value to retail value while knocking out manufacturing costs.

And seriously, what's wrong with that? It's Sony's choice if they don't want other companies to have a piece of their pie. It's not as if it's illegal, against human rights or they're preventing people from buying their products completely (that I know of). There is nothing 'not fair' about this at all.

And if you don't like the price of their products i.e. you find it costs too much, then don't buy it. Simple as. You're not forced to buy the PSPgo or their games. Not their fault if you don't want to pay £30 for a downloadable game.

Anyway, if very few people do start buying their products at such a high price then they'll be forced to reduce them. That's exactly what's happened with the PS3. And they've sold the slim at a cheaper price because of it.

PaleKnight09:

Therumancer:
Treat anyone who supports them with scorn. Bully kids at school who have a PSPgo or DSi.

Why?

The DSi is doing nothing different than every other console out there that currently supports DLC. And the fact of the matter is, DLC is the greatest tool an indie developer has to reach the market. Not every publisher/developer can afford the costs associated with creating the discs and packaging. And without Indie developers we wouldn't have gems like Shadow Complex, Fat Princess or Flip Champs. The idea of a system that utilizes DLC only may not be wanted right now but it is the direction things are heading(look at PC games.)

...DLC isn't the same as a full retail game, DLC is supposed to add content to already made games. Hence the name Downloadable Content, it's not the same as a full retail game.

Arehexes:

PaleKnight09:

Therumancer:
Treat anyone who supports them with scorn. Bully kids at school who have a PSPgo or DSi.

Why?

The DSi is doing nothing different than every other console out there that currently supports DLC. And the fact of the matter is, DLC is the greatest tool an indie developer has to reach the market. Not every publisher/developer can afford the costs associated with creating the discs and packaging. And without Indie developers we wouldn't have gems like Shadow Complex, Fat Princess or Flip Champs. The idea of a system that utilizes DLC only may not be wanted right now but it is the direction things are heading(look at PC games.)

...DLC isn't the same as a full retail game, DLC is supposed to add content to already made games. Hence the name Downloadable Content, it's not the same as a full retail game.

And what would one catergorize things like WiiWare then, which allow smaller devs to deliver episodic games or other smaller titles for a lower price? Hell if we want to compare things a bit more directly Microsoft let us download XBox 1 titles to the 360 (some of them) for about $12 a title so even they sort of had the right idea (shocking, I know)

Like I said with the other retailer, EB games is just being a bunch of babies.

The retailer reminds me alot of half the people on the Escapist. They just need a reason to hate Sony so badly and they choose this. When they lack a reason to post "LOL THEY SUX!" They get sad and cut themselves.

Seriously, can't these people grow a pair and just try stocking them for a bit? If it doesn't make them any money at all, then they can stop.

I'm not sure why this trend is getting bigger with the digital games, it's not going to sell to a lot of people consindering a big chunk of gamers like having REAL PHYSICAL COPIES. Yes they can make more money by selling the games directly with no real production costs but there's a lot of people who won't.

I'm sticking with my PSP2000, because in 10 years I'll still have my games to play, with the PSPGo? I'm sure after a while the system might need replacing then how would I get my games back other than pirating? There's no REAL guarantee that the games would still be "owned" by me.

And backwards compatibility being replaced by rebuying games digitally? No, not even gonna bother. I'll just sum it up like this, I'm playing Final Fantasy Tactics on my PSOne you're not getting my money twice for the exact same game.

Therumancer:

The bottom line is, just don't support products like this. Laugh at them. Treat anyone who supports them with scorn. Bully kids at school who have a PSPgo or DSi. It's actually a pretty big issue as far as gaming goes, and it needs grassroots support. This is one of the situations where a gamer boycott is needed, and it's about something much bigger than what gaming company slotted you off with some bit of content (or lack there of).

I'm not quite sure why you would do that to someone with a DSi, and you're being a bit extreme in saying that you should bully people.

However, I will agree that the PSP Go is a terrible idea, and I hope that all the retailers eventually catch on and refuse to sell it.

Clyde:

Megacherv:
What the fuck do people, and retailers, have against the PSPgo?

Retailers like to make money by selling games.

That's what the new money card things are for

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