Gran Turismo 5 and Forza 3 Backers Square Off

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Gran Turismo 5 and Forza 3 Backers Square Off

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Gran Turismo 5 creator Kazunori Yamauchi might think his game "looks better than reality," but Microsoft's Phil Spencer says that Forza 3 is "the only racing sim that's shipping this generation."

You know, I'm just going to come right out and say it: I couldn't give half a plague-infested rat's ass about either Forza 3 or Gran Turismo 5 because I think racing games are about as dull as watching linoleum peel. But some people swear by them, and as fate would have it, those people fall neatly down console war fanboy lines: Sony fanboys froth over Gran Turismo 5, while Xbox fanboys salivate over Forza 3.

Naturally, this sort of console war head-to-head is the sort of situation that can only be resolved with a brutal cagematch to the death, or failing that, studio representatives snarking at each other.

Speaking with NowGamer, Polyphony Digital man Kazunori Yamauchi said that GT5 didn't just look good, the game looked "better than reality." you see those cars outside your window? GT5 looks better:

"'Better than reality' - yeah, that's one way of putting it. In a way, it's kind of a given that it's going to look better than reality. The thing about reality is that the criteria for looking "real" are actually a lot stricter and volatile than you'd expect. The way the sun shines, reflects off something, the way it lights scenery - we seldom have the opportunity to see what we consider "reality" under the best and most aesthetically pleasing conditions."

Okay, maybe that quote isn't as insane as it sounded in excerpt - Yamauchi is saying that creating these graphics in a virtual framework allows the team to show off all of the beauty of the product in an ideal situation with none of its flaws. Makes sense, kind of.

Aha, but Microsoft development boss Phil Spencer wasn't going to let Yamauchi overshadow the release of Forza 3 so easily: Spencer spoke with Gamasutra and took a dig at the long development time of GT5. When asked if Microsoft was (like Sony) focusing on the development of AAA first-and-second-party titles for its platform, Spencer confirmed that the strategy was the same - but developers had to actually ship the product, first.

"Absolutely. And to ship them! That's an important part of our strategy. Look at Forza shipping next month: the definitive racing sim this generation. You could say it's the only racing sim that's shipping this generation."

So, GT5 looks better than reality, but this super-real nature means that it won't end up shipping this generation. That's what I'm getting, here.

Can I get an "Oh, Snap!" please?

(Via VG247, Twice)

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I don't really care, as I can get both and make an honest comparison.
But the Forza guy could have also dissed GT5 Prologue's awful design choices.

There's only one thing I can say on this subject. Sure, they're both shiney. Sure, they're both realistic racers. BUT... Forza has always been, in my opinion, much more fun.

Forza 3 and GT5 look the same to me, whats a few pixels.
*Yamauchi hits the roof and starts swearing unnecessarily*

I don't care for racing games either, but Gran Turismo 5 looks so f*cking good that it nearly overrules my dislike for the genre.

Gran Turismo is the only racing game series I actually liked.

But meh not sure I'll ever get around to buying a PS3 any time soon.

I could never really get into racing games, although I had Gran Turismo 2 on the Playstation. It was fun at the time in all it's pixelated gloriness.

Round One.
FIGHT!
iv never played Forza and i never really got into Grand Turismo but, from what i have played and seen i think GT5 will come out on top.
But ill just wait and see who survives after we hear....
HYPER COMBO FINISH!
KO!

Can I get an "Oh, Snap!" please?

"Oh, Snap!"

TBH, I don't care for racing sims. I prefer arcade racers.

My guess is that Forza will be the successor, it blended realism and arcade pretty well.

I loved the older gran turismos and I loved Forza 2.

Still, I expect GT5 to be better, but I will wait and see which one actually is.

I'm hoping GT5 simply because I haven't had my PS3 die 3 times and take with it my beautiful decal work.

Thing is, i belive that GT5 WILL look better, have more cars, AND ¸possibly better damage modeling (yes, i recall a vid of it being shownn), BUT forza 3 has that awsome paint shop, extrapolating from 2, making the eventual comparison between the 2 products very interesting...

...unless t10 mmake a 4th forza before GT5`s finished!

Sparrow:
There's only one thing I can say on this subject. Sure, they're both shiney. Sure, they're both realistic racers. BUT... Forza has always been, in my opinion, much more fun.

More fun, how? They're nearly identical gameplay. Race, upgrade, race, win, etc.

I think the game with the most variety (tracks, cars, events) is best. Graphics will be great on both, as will the gameplay/physics. So unless one of them can ramp-up the replay value, I don't see how you can claim one is better than the other.

Way back when I had a PS1, I enjoyed GT2, and now that I have a 360, I think Forza 2 is a hell of a lot of fun.
Forza 2 is slightly easier, though that's probably a function of the better gamepad more than anything else.

*sigh* I miss back when NFS:3 Hot Pursuit came out. In my opinion, that was the last really good one in the Need for Speed series.

EDIT: Which, if I'm not being clear, was the racing series I grew up on (mostly).

I honestly don't get whats the difference between those 2 racing simulations. To me, they look like just regular racing cars.

So, Polyphony doesn't mention the competition, the very opposite of picking a fight. BUT, apparently, because MS disses the competition with FUD, we report it as a square off?

Are you sure you know the difference between a fight and a sucker punch?

I'll be getting Forza 3, I played 2 and 1. Loved them, and they're pretty good as race simulators go, the only Gran Turismo game I liked was the original on PS1.

What I see here:

Polyphony praising their own game. Normal and reasonable.

Microsoft attacking the competition. Pointless and dickish.

Oh well Phil Spencer needs to get his facts straight because Gran Turismo 5 is coming out in the 4th quater next year! GTPSP also came out last thursday on the 1st, which is going to allow you to take all your cars you obtain in it and transfer them to GT5 once it comes out.
http://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-5s-q4-2009-release-date-confirmed/



Another side note on which is superior or has more influence. The first production Mercedes AMG SLS was relvealed at TGS at the GT5 booth, and Ployphony Digital were the ones who designed the info desplay screen in the new R-35 GT-R.

Personally iv never played a forza game, but i own all 4 (main) GT games and i love them.
Recently i bought a 360 to occupy my free time at uni (thats a lot btw) but as aoon as gt5 hits the shelves i'll be looking for things to trade in for a ps3... if theres anything iv ever been a fanboy for its the GT series.

Forza i loved because it lacked one thing...license tests. o god those aggravating tests

also

Zamn:
What I see here:

Polyphony praising their own game. Normal and reasonable.

Microsoft attacking the competition. Pointless and dickish.

its not dickish if its a sad fact. its going on 3 years or more for GT5 to come out and there still is no clear release date.

Can't we ever go back to the good ol' days of unrealistic racing games, in my opinion, those were much more fun. Rush was a good example.

well i'm sure forza 3 will have some great features like dynamic lighting and weather and changing times of day .... oh wait they can't do that due to not enough disc space

as nice as forza might be, my money will be with GT5, due to disc size it can easily have a lot better graphics and features, such as the aforementioned dynamic weather, lighting and changing times of day

The Gran-Turismo series are the only racers I've ever enjoyed. I had the first 2 on my PS1, I have already forgotten what the x-box racer is called. What's a couple of months waiting between old friends?

Well, I guess there are just two main things to say about this. Forza 2 has given Racing sim fans years of fun so far this generation, and now Forza 3 is coming out in the same generation before GT5.

So microsoft has had two of the best racing sim's released so far this generation, Sony hasn't so far, and are looking at a next year release.

Then there's the fact that yes, GT5 will most probably look better, have a good amount of features, WRC, more tracks more cars e.t.c.

Aside from graphics and actual content, the actual simulation side of driving i've always thought has been done better in Forza, and after playing the demo of F3 it still appears they have out done them selves. However that's just a matter of opinion, people are welcome to their own.

So the real question is, is all this waiting for GT5 worth it for slightly better graphics and a few more features? Or would you rather have Forza which let's be honest doesn't look much different from GT5 to play with now (not forgetting Forza 2 has been out for years).

Who gives a shit? In the end, Burnout is the only racing series worth playing.

Unless, of course, you somehow manage to make a competitive version of Crazy Taxi.

Attempting to defuse typical console weenie-waggling. I don't know if I will be successful.

Honestly, I don't care which one I get as long as I get to drive the AE86.

which is better? to answer that you have to ask which one will use gamestop to punish paying customers on launch day the least

I loved Gran Turismo 1-3. 4 was "meh". But now I have a 360, and Forza is pretty much the exact same game. If not for Forza, GT5 might have been a system seller for me. But instead, I will just buy Forza 3. I think GT5 being so late is just one of the many things gone wrong for Sony this generation.

Gief Forza now.

Sparrow:
There's only one thing I can say on this subject. Sure, they're both shiney. Sure, they're both realistic racers. BUT... Forza has always been, in my opinion, much more fun.

This man speaks the truth. I hate racing sims but Forza was just perfect. The GT series I could never play nor get into.

AXLE_BULLITT_19:
Oh well Phil Spencer needs to get his facts straight because Gran Turismo 5 is coming out in the 4th quater next year! GTPSP also came out last thursday on the 1st, which is going to allow you to take all your cars you obtain in it and transfer them to GT5 once it comes out.

Last I heard it was coming out next March. Have they really pushed it back as far as Q4 2010? Hell, it was supposed to be out already by now...

Avaholic03:

Sparrow:
There's only one thing I can say on this subject. Sure, they're both shiney. Sure, they're both realistic racers. BUT... Forza has always been, in my opinion, much more fun.

More fun, how? They're nearly identical gameplay. Race, upgrade, race, win, etc.

I think the game with the most variety (tracks, cars, events) is best. Graphics will be great on both, as will the gameplay/physics. So unless one of them can ramp-up the replay value, I don't see how you can claim one is better than the other.

The tuning options in Forza have always given better feedback, both because you have the telemetry feature and because there's more feel of body movement to the cars what with things like tire compression, variable centre of gravity, etc. GT has always had the CoG in the middle and flintstone tires, and they're only just changing that now for GT5.

I really liked the older Gran Turismo games, but they've got a hell of a lot of catching up to do now in terms of making an overall experience beyond "We've got lots of pretty cars", they've been content to rest on their laurels and do things in their own conservative little way, but the entire rest of the grid has moved on.

On this one I think forza is a good racer but has always seemed to me to lean a little more to the arcade side of things. Granted it is a sim racer and pretty decent one but they have always felt more arcadish to me then GT series.
I am a sim racer at heart I like tweaking and tuning every little suspension piece and changing ratios to get that extra half second around the course and Gran Turismo has always gave me that sense of those little tweaks actually changing the dynamics of the car in the way they should.

I will probably pick up both but I am more excited for GT5

I've only played GT4 and found its sandbox-like race hubs confusing and a pain in the ass. I like my racing games to be clear cut, to always know where I am racing now and where I should be racing next, and what benefits I'll get from winning said races. So I had much more fun with Forza 2, I felt that the "mission" progression was much smoother and the sense of achievement more present than in GT4 where you can basically waltz in many of the events even though you are driving a shitty car compared to the rest, but noone ever tells you that so you end up racing perfectly but still finishing last. Or maybe I am too retarded for this game. But anyway, I will give GT5 a rental and if it plays better than the last one I'll save up and invest on the game and a good wheel, which is the only way one can enjoy these games.

GloatingSwine:

AXLE_BULLITT_19:
Oh well Phil Spencer needs to get his facts straight because Gran Turismo 5 is coming out in the 4th quater next year! GTPSP also came out last thursday on the 1st, which is going to allow you to take all your cars you obtain in it and transfer them to GT5 once it comes out.

Last I heard it was coming out next March. Have they really pushed it back as far as Q4 2010? Hell, it was supposed to be out already by now...

Well a little something called GTPSP poped up.

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