Six Days in Fallujah Bad, "Family Friendly" Wii Shooter Good!

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SilentHunter7:

cainx10a:

Except the Iraqis are not Nazis. And the context of the war is totally different. My point is, exploiting the death of Iraqis (most of them CIVILIANS), specially in Fallujah, is horrible.

And yeah, I always felt bad about killing those tiny little aliens in Halo 3.

And 'exploiting the deaths' of Germans isn't horrible? The Germans weren't Nazis, either. During World War Two, the entire Nazi party had around 8 to 9 million members. The total population of the Third Reich exceeded 83 million.

Historians estimate the German civilian war deaths to be in the range of 300,000 to almost 3 million. Look up the firebombing of Dresden. 25,000 civilians were killed in one night.

The Germans killed 50,000 British civilians during the Blitz.

I bet you never heard about how the airborne divisions executed prisoners so that they wouldn't delay their advance. How about after the war when the soldiers would go through towns, and drag out alleged Nazis into the street and blow their heads off?

Did you ever hear about the Bataan Death March? Where 75,000 US and Filipino POWs were forcibly marched 50 miles without food or water, and anyone who fell behind or helped a failing prisoner was either run over, beheaded, or shot?

What about Russia, where historians consider 13 million civilian deaths a seriously conservative estimate?

And of course there was Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Iraq can't hold a candle to World War Two.

War is hell, and it always has been. Civilians will always get caught in the crossfire. It's just what happens. If we can let a developer turn a 7 year World War that was fought across 2 oceans, and 3 continents, and seen more atrocities than we care to remember into an endless romp of fighting undead german soldiers, then I think we can allow a game developer to try to make a 'serious' game about Iraq. Or not, apparently.

Even read about how the Russians were having a rape party after the fall of berlin, but time changed, and War changed. There sure haven't been a body count as high in recent conflicts (if you ignore those never ending conflicts and other 'incidents (hint: pogroms) in other part of the world) but that doesn't change the fact that people who shouldn't have been involved in the skirmishes were losing their lives not only because of lies also fantasies as good as they may sound considering Iraq's past (freedom and democracy, replacing the evil dictator that was put there in the first place by the same people invading).

The Iraqis who died at Fallujah were not trained soldiers like most of the German soldiers you get to fight in Call of Duty and what's not. Some probably felt they had to defend their homes after 17 civilians and many others were wounded during a peaceful protest, and 2 more deaths in another protest related to the first incident. (small numbers, maybe, but hey, even if ONE person died, it would have still been a tragedy). War is hell, but these people didn't ask for it.

Point remains that in CoD4 you are fighting against trained grunts of Al-Asad's armies, and not a bunch of civilians who were grabbed on the street, or who were compelled to join Al-Asad's little coup d'etat.

I rest my case, I did thoroughly enjoyed other games that used Iraq as a background, the first two Global Conflict: Desert Storm (which had an awesome co-op feature), even Soldier of Fortune (I do recall you could blow Saddam head off), and Insurgency (HL 2 mod). Even if Insurgency does use resistance fighters, insurgents, ultimately civilians turned 'soldiers', it does take a neutral instance over the conflict, which I really doubt a western developer would have been able to do specially in the case of Six Days' claim to be from the perspective of the 'liberators'.

But whatever, I'm done discussing this.

Chipperz:

archvile93:
Last time I checked, they were shooting with AK-47s, RPDs, and RPGs for the most part. Granted it's not the best equipment, but it's still quite deadly in the right hands. Did you some bodies were even found with STG-44s? An excuse me for hating people who want to murder me and everything around me because I don't follow their religion to the letter and speak fluent Arabic (the only way to read the Quran as I'm told).

That still doesn't make them terrorists. That makes them enemy soldiers. Also, how many of these people are shooting at them because they've invaded their home city? If that makes them terrorists, then... wow.

Also, I'm totally getting this (if it comes out outside of America, I'd guess not...). I need to see what a Family Friendly Marine trainer looks like.

Seems to me that, terrorists or not, they still want me dead and have the means to make it happen. That's reason enough to kill them in my opinion. Look, I know Blackwater was a bunch of morons with guns and they should never have been used, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't shoot back. Plus, based on the way I read events, There were no Iraqi soldiers fighting at that time. It was Americans vs Iraqi insurgents. Are you going to tell me they were just defending their homes? That they were not terrorists? Might I remind you that these same people we were fighting burned four people alive and desecrated their bodies, while the victims were delivering food.

Malygris:

In the meantime, however, Atomic's "sister" company Destineer is getting ready to launch its own military-themed shooter, called Marines: Modern Urban Combat. The game is based on a Marine Corps training system originally created by Destineer in 2005, which was later released commercially as Close Combat: First to Fight for the PC, Mac and Xbox 360.

Wait, I'm pretty damn sure first to fight was ont he origional xbox, not the 360. I distinctly remember trading it in to help pay for GTA IV.

Not wanting to be a total nerd, but in Dante's Inferno, hell (Atleast the bottom most circle) is a freezing lake.

Can anyone say Modern Warfare clone?

Because i called it.

archvile93:

Chipperz:

archvile93:
Last time I checked, they were shooting with AK-47s, RPDs, and RPGs for the most part. Granted it's not the best equipment, but it's still quite deadly in the right hands. Did you some bodies were even found with STG-44s? An excuse me for hating people who want to murder me and everything around me because I don't follow their religion to the letter and speak fluent Arabic (the only way to read the Quran as I'm told).

That still doesn't make them terrorists. That makes them enemy soldiers. Also, how many of these people are shooting at them because they've invaded their home city? If that makes them terrorists, then... wow.

Also, I'm totally getting this (if it comes out outside of America, I'd guess not...). I need to see what a Family Friendly Marine trainer looks like.

Seems to me that, terrorists or not, they still want me dead and have the means to make it happen. That's reason enough to kill them in my opinion. Look, I know Blackwater was a bunch of morons with guns and they should never have been used, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't shoot back. Plus, based on the way I read events, There were no Iraqi soldiers fighting at that time. It was Americans vs Iraqi insurgents. Are you going to tell me they were just defending their homes? That they were not terrorists? Might I remind you that these same people we were fighting burned four people alive and desecrated their bodies, while the victims were delivering food.

I bet they remind each other that the people they are fighting gang raped a 15 year old after they killed her mom, daddy, and 5 year old sister, then burned her corpse to hide the evidence.

And the rest of your post, come on man, you are old enough to do MORE research than just come up with things you heard from other people.

God I hate politicians. The ones who aren't treating the bourgeoisie like royalty are too busy censoring everything to try as hard as they can to look like the bad side of Socialism. It's a game. It can't be that offensive. All the other games about war are just as bad. And we're treating this one separately because the war is ongoing?

cainx10a:

archvile93:

Chipperz:

archvile93:
Last time I checked, they were shooting with AK-47s, RPDs, and RPGs for the most part. Granted it's not the best equipment, but it's still quite deadly in the right hands. Did you some bodies were even found with STG-44s? An excuse me for hating people who want to murder me and everything around me because I don't follow their religion to the letter and speak fluent Arabic (the only way to read the Quran as I'm told).

That still doesn't make them terrorists. That makes them enemy soldiers. Also, how many of these people are shooting at them because they've invaded their home city? If that makes them terrorists, then... wow.

Also, I'm totally getting this (if it comes out outside of America, I'd guess not...). I need to see what a Family Friendly Marine trainer looks like.

Seems to me that, terrorists or not, they still want me dead and have the means to make it happen. That's reason enough to kill them in my opinion. Look, I know Blackwater was a bunch of morons with guns and they should never have been used, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't shoot back. Plus, based on the way I read events, There were no Iraqi soldiers fighting at that time. It was Americans vs Iraqi insurgents. Are you going to tell me they were just defending their homes? That they were not terrorists? Might I remind you that these same people we were fighting burned four people alive and desecrated their bodies, while the victims were delivering food.

I bet they remind each other that the people they are fighting gang raped a 15 year old after they killed her mom, daddy, and 5 year old sister, then burned her corpse to hide the evidence.

And the rest of your post, come on man, you are old enough to do MORE research than just come up with things you heard from other people.

Are you really going to accuse all soldiers of being rapist assholes becasue one squad decided to? Also, weren't they tried by a military court and convicted of first degree murder? Yes I know it sucks though that our country didn't give them the death penalty (I know I would've). Also, I didn't here that from other people. The murders are what convinced us to retake the town.

archvile93:

cainx10a:

archvile93:

Chipperz:

archvile93:
Last time I checked, they were shooting with AK-47s, RPDs, and RPGs for the most part. Granted it's not the best equipment, but it's still quite deadly in the right hands. Did you some bodies were even found with STG-44s? An excuse me for hating people who want to murder me and everything around me because I don't follow their religion to the letter and speak fluent Arabic (the only way to read the Quran as I'm told).

That still doesn't make them terrorists. That makes them enemy soldiers. Also, how many of these people are shooting at them because they've invaded their home city? If that makes them terrorists, then... wow.

Also, I'm totally getting this (if it comes out outside of America, I'd guess not...). I need to see what a Family Friendly Marine trainer looks like.

Seems to me that, terrorists or not, they still want me dead and have the means to make it happen. That's reason enough to kill them in my opinion. Look, I know Blackwater was a bunch of morons with guns and they should never have been used, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't shoot back. Plus, based on the way I read events, There were no Iraqi soldiers fighting at that time. It was Americans vs Iraqi insurgents. Are you going to tell me they were just defending their homes? That they were not terrorists? Might I remind you that these same people we were fighting burned four people alive and desecrated their bodies, while the victims were delivering food.

I bet they remind each other that the people they are fighting gang raped a 15 year old after they killed her mom, daddy, and 5 year old sister, then burned her corpse to hide the evidence.

And the rest of your post, come on man, you are old enough to do MORE research than just come up with things you heard from other people.

Are you really going to accuse all soldiers of being rapist assholes becasue one squad decided to? Also, weren't they tried by a military court and convicted of first degree murder? Yes I know it sucks though that our country didn't give them the death penalty (I know I would've). Also, I didn't here that from other people. The murders are what convinced us to retake the town.

You pretty much accused every Iraqis of wanting you dead right? Over Al-Quaida Fatwawawawawawas or threats? That's the point I was trying to make.

And I'm done for the night, and with this thread. Now time to go and ... stare at my steam Games window till it says that Borderlands is playable. Yay, I know, 3 days, that's a LOT.

i'm glad they have another project to keep Six Days alive - this is a game that should be released and enjoyed by the public. can't think of any games that have such potential to reveal the true nature of combat, rather than dress it up and sell it as the new ultimate deathmatch.

konami is a bunch of pussies for backing off this thing, I hope it sells millions to spite them

I think they're trying to be controversial so they can look back at the world...

...and laugh.

Family Friendly....Marine simulator?
....BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

I'd just like to say, Konami is apparently a bunch of people who can't handle contoversy.

oppp7:
God I hate politicians. The ones who aren't treating the bourgeoisie like royalty are too busy censoring everything to try as hard as they can to look like the bad side of Socialism. It's a game. It can't be that offensive. All the other games about war are just as bad. And we're treating this one separately because the war is ongoing?

Bourgeoisie, aren't you...a bit behind the times? :P We're not even in France :D!

tellmeimaninja:
I'd just like to say, Konami is apparently a bunch of people who can't handle contoversy.

Which is such a weird statement...but true...somehow.

Presumably you shake the Wiimote to choke the life out of a Arab woman you raped so she can't speak out and get you court-martialled.

- No, wait... Have I got the two games mixed up somehow?

Eykal:

oppp7:
God I hate politicians. The ones who aren't treating the bourgeoisie like royalty are too busy censoring everything to try as hard as they can to look like the bad side of Socialism. It's a game. It can't be that offensive. All the other games about war are just as bad. And we're treating this one separately because the war is ongoing?

Bourgeoisie, aren't you...a bit behind the times? :P We're not even in France :D!

What about Russia? Bourgeoisis is a Socialist term, not French (I think).

mrfft:
I seriously think Political Correctness has gotten way, way out of control. Scared to offend people? Grow a pair and say hey, this is how I feel, yes it might be offensive to some but it's my opinion on the matter.

PC is killing just about every medium now...it's just sad.

If PC is killing the medium,then where are the Democrats protesting the violent murder of their media? How else will they brainwash the masses into doing whatever they want?

The "____bad,____good" reminds me of the Napster police spoof.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mtvlUDn6iE

cainx10a:

archvile93:

cainx10a:

archvile93:

Chipperz:

archvile93:
Last time I checked, they were shooting with AK-47s, RPDs, and RPGs for the most part. Granted it's not the best equipment, but it's still quite deadly in the right hands. Did you some bodies were even found with STG-44s? An excuse me for hating people who want to murder me and everything around me because I don't follow their religion to the letter and speak fluent Arabic (the only way to read the Quran as I'm told).

That still doesn't make them terrorists. That makes them enemy soldiers. Also, how many of these people are shooting at them because they've invaded their home city? If that makes them terrorists, then... wow.

Also, I'm totally getting this (if it comes out outside of America, I'd guess not...). I need to see what a Family Friendly Marine trainer looks like.

Seems to me that, terrorists or not, they still want me dead and have the means to make it happen. That's reason enough to kill them in my opinion. Look, I know Blackwater was a bunch of morons with guns and they should never have been used, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't shoot back. Plus, based on the way I read events, There were no Iraqi soldiers fighting at that time. It was Americans vs Iraqi insurgents. Are you going to tell me they were just defending their homes? That they were not terrorists? Might I remind you that these same people we were fighting burned four people alive and desecrated their bodies, while the victims were delivering food.

I bet they remind each other that the people they are fighting gang raped a 15 year old after they killed her mom, daddy, and 5 year old sister, then burned her corpse to hide the evidence.

And the rest of your post, come on man, you are old enough to do MORE research than just come up with things you heard from other people.

Are you really going to accuse all soldiers of being rapist assholes becasue one squad decided to? Also, weren't they tried by a military court and convicted of first degree murder? Yes I know it sucks though that our country didn't give them the death penalty (I know I would've). Also, I didn't here that from other people. The murders are what convinced us to retake the town.

You pretty much accused every Iraqis of wanting you dead right? Over Al-Quaida Fatwawawawawawas or threats? That's the point I was trying to make.

And I'm done for the night, and with this thread. Now time to go and ... stare at my steam Games window till it says that Borderlands is playable. Yay, I know, 3 days, that's a LOT.

Oh man I know, it's taking too long. Why'd they have to delay it for six days anyway? I can't wait either.

oppp7:

Eykal:

oppp7:
God I hate politicians. The ones who aren't treating the bourgeoisie like royalty are too busy censoring everything to try as hard as they can to look like the bad side of Socialism. It's a game. It can't be that offensive. All the other games about war are just as bad. And we're treating this one separately because the war is ongoing?

Bourgeoisie, aren't you...a bit behind the times? :P We're not even in France :D!

What about Russia? Bourgeoisis is a Socialist term, not French (I think).

Bourgeoisie were the rich members of the 3rd (lowest, the "commoners") around the time of the French Revolution.

cainx10a:

SilentHunter7:

Malygris:
So if I'm reading this right - and by all means, correct me if I'm wrong here - a commercialized version of a Marine Corps training simulator is "family friendly" and perfectly okay, but the idea of using videogames to give adults some tiny degree of insight into the consequences of actually becoming a Marine and going off to war is completely beyond the pale. Is that it? Have I got that right?

Welcome to the wonderful world of Political Correctness. Please leave your logic at the door.

World of PC .

Oh well, I guess maybe I am biased because of my origins, but hey, have fun with your "arab killing simulators".

Edit: I still play those CoD4 because of it's fictional setting, but it's unforgivable when they are not going to show both perspective from the invaders and invaded side. It's just propaganda.

i personally think it would be fun to play as the other side.

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