BioShock 2 DRM Explained

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BioShock 2 DRM Explained

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2K Games has clarified the BioShock 2 DRM scheme, saying that SecuROM will only be used as a disc check but that the Games for Windows Live key will have an activation limit.

The BioShock 2 system requirements were unveiled yesterday, along with news that the retail edition of the game would make use of the hated SecuROM DRM. Exactly how it will be employed wasn't made clear, however; would it be a relatively unobtrusive disc check or would online activations and installation limits be a part of the picture too? Turns out it's the former - sort of.

Gamers weren't the only one confused by the SecuROM/Steam/Games for Windows mess; even the good folks at 2K seemed to have trouble getting a handle on it. After initially making no mention of installation limits, the company revealed that the game would have a "15 machine activation limit." That was soon changed to a five machine limit, however, the same number of activations offered by the original BioShock, which of course did not go over well with fans of the franchise.

But it was all just a big mix-up! In a follow-up forum post with a distinct tone of finality to it, 2K Games Community Manager "2K Elizabeth" wrote, "The Games for Windows Live key you get has 15 activations on it. If you reach 16, contacting Microsoft will get the key reset. (This doesn't limit the number of computers you put the on. It is just 15 activations.) This is a number set by Microsoft. We went with this option because we wanted to go with non-ssa keys, because we felt that was better for you guys all around."

Got that? There's no SecuROM activation limit but there is a Games for Windows Live activation limit. Same stuff in different piles, maybe, and I have to wonder why 2K felt the need to employ both methods of copy protection. On the other hand, 15 activations should be more than enough for the average gamer; on principle it sucks, but from a practical perspective, I'm not sure it's worth getting too worked up over.

via: Blue's News

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So what they're saying is, its worse than what people thought?

SecuROMs not too bad (can't say I've ever really cared about it myself, although I've encountered it when my internet was disconnected for 3 months and it was a complete "fuck you" to me) but GFW is a pile of shit.

Putting an activation limit on a service that no one likes and that doesn't work is NOT a good idea (even if it is 15!).

"Oh yeah, it's not our fault, it's those games for windows guys! Blame them even though we chose to use it!"

Why do we need DRM anyway? The games get pirated and working fine in a week! Just drop it, or people aren't going to buy the game!

Just get it on a console instead if you're really that worried about it.

There's more to it than activation limits. I for one don't want Games for Windows Live. Won't use it, won't buy a game that requires it. SecuRom is just another nail in a long-buried coffin.

15 activations should be more than enough for the average gamer; on principle it sucks, but from a practical perspective, I'm not sure it's worth getting too worked up over.

See its all well and good saying that but leaving such already proven methods of DRM to do nothing but give paying gamers the finger leaves them to carry on. not supporting such methods will force them to rethink and one day might just (if where lucky) lead to DRM that gives the finger to pirates insteed of us

I don't care about disc checks or whatever DRM is targeted for the people who buy the game and if you don't know about that, think about it. The game is going to be up on a torrent site 3 days before it hits store shelves and it will have all that nasty DRM removed, and DRM counts any hardware changes (ram/HDD/dvd) and counts that too. They'll play it anyway as much as they like installing it as many times as they will need while we, the people who actually buy their games are stuck with shit.

SecuROM? Activation limit?

No, thanks, I'll just pirate the game. Seriously, if you treat me as a thief before I even buy the game, I might as well be a thief. Since you like it so much.

If that Icahn guy wants to improve Take Two's profitability, the first thing he can do is fire whichever brain dead twat makes these decisions. How much time, money, complication and bad publicity would be saved if they'd just had the good sense to run activation and multiplayer through Steam?
Millions already have Steam, it has a (generally) good reputation, so why add in extra parts known for being obstructive and crap?

Gahhhh...

Even with 15 its a pain...if your exceptionally unlucky...

I wonder how the Steam version will work? Will it still have GFW, and will we get the DLC from Steam or GFWL?
Overall, this sucks, but not as bad as the original Bioshock. Rootkits anyone?

In other words they're trying to say there isn't when there really is, and hope we won't notice.

In other words they're cocking up again, and they're going to suffer.

Secondly, no-one likes Windows Live. No-one. Nice going 2K.

j0z:
I wonder how the Steam version will work? Will it still have GFW, and will we get the DLC from Steam or GFWL?
Overall, this sucks, but not as bad as the original Bioshock. Rootkits anyone?

It will have GFWL and you have to get the DLC through that piece of retarded software.

I dunno, I still think there'll be a big mess when someones internet dies in the mid-afternoon, and they go to fire up their game to kill some time, and boom. Can't load a Live save game when not on Live (at least, that's the way it was explained to me).

Bah, who cares. For all this confusion I shall pirate their game, just to show them they shouldn't make PR mistakes like this! I AM JUSTIFIED!*

Abedeus:
SecuROM? Activation limit?

No, thanks, I'll just pirate the game. Seriously, if you treat me as a thief before I even buy the game, I might as well be a thief. Since you like it so much.

This.

Were it not coming out on 360 at any rate. Since it is I'll just play it there.

Ok, I'm a little late to this party, but I do have a question.

Why does everyone hate GFWL? It was a part of my Dawn of War 2 install (Along with Steam activation) and seems to have worked quite well, along with adding achievments to the game as an added bonus. Are there issues with it I have not encountered?

j0z:
Rootkits anyone?

BioShock never installed a rootkit. That rumour was quashed ages ago.

Congratulations, my preorder has been cancelled.

Go frig your selves. When will you learn that we won't take that shit, and that all DRM does is make the Pirate Bay seem ever so friendly.

Excuse me while I go check to see if we are spared from DRM in Mass Effect 2.
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Securom has caused me to have to reformat both my drives more then I'd like to admit.

Minimal DRM and good game makes me more willing to throw my money at the developers.
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Final note, if you're gonna treat me like a thief before anything has been done then frig off I'll go ahead and BE A THIEF. It makes no difference in your eyes anyways.

Good thing I'm getting it for my xbox eh.

So... what they are saying is it... is just as bad as before, but... we... I...

...Right, get it for X360 it is.

Excuse me while I go check to see if we are spared from DRM in Mass Effect 2.

Yeah, well there's a disk check. That's pretty much it.

Was going to get for 360 anyway, but I really wish they'd knock this all DRM crap off all together, it's annoyed me in the past and it's still lingering around.

Pegghead:
Good thing I'm getting it for my xbox eh.

I'm boycotting the XBox version too. If I can't have it on the system of my choosing because the developers/publishers are being dicksmurfs, I won't then go hand them the same money for a different version.

Cool, 2K, you just made the choice for me: I'm gonna pirate the shit outta your game. See what you made me do?

You got this all ass-backwards. Just look at it, LOOK AT IT! You make legit customers suffer from your retarded DRM and install limits and stuff (you know, the ones who pay actual money for your game), while the pirates, who get the game for free, will have nothing to do with DRM. It's exactly the opposite what you wanted to achieve, it happened gazillion times now, yet you still don't see it?

"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven" says the Bible. In this case, kingdom of heaven means poor sales, and I guess you can find the rest in there...

Snotnarok:
I don't care about disc checks or whatever DRM is targeted for the people who buy the game and if you don't know about that, think about it. The game is going to be up on a torrent site 3 days before it hits store shelves and it will have all that nasty DRM removed, and DRM counts any hardware changes (ram/HDD/dvd) and counts that too. They'll play it anyway as much as they like installing it as many times as they will need while we, the people who actually buy their games are stuck with shit.

I would hope that publishers and devs would learn that punishing your consumer base doesnt stop pirating it causes it. They have yet to make a protection scheme that hackers cant find a way around. So why are they shelling out extra cash to have it put on thier games?

This is one of the reasons PC gaming has lost its place in my heart. Plus pirates love this... it gives them another reason for them to say f' the man... i think every dev/pub should take a Stardock approach to pirating, realize its going to happen, but try to have great customer support and games and you'll limit it.

Khell_Sennet:

Pegghead:
Good thing I'm getting it for my xbox eh.

I'm boycotting the XBox version too. If I can't have it on the system of my choosing because the developers/publishers are being dicksmurfs, I won't then go hand them the same money for a different version.

Do we really need more boycotters?

Sounds like it's just meant to keep 15 keys from playing the game online simultaneously. You know, that piracy thing? If they're willing to reset the activations, then I don't see the problem.

The only reason I'm not planning on picking the game up is because I didn't think Bioshock needed a sequel. Unless I hear that Bioshock 2 is as good a storytelling experience as the original, or better, I don't feel I need to own it.

-Pod-:

Snotnarok:
I don't care about disc checks or whatever DRM is targeted for the people who buy the game and if you don't know about that, think about it. The game is going to be up on a torrent site 3 days before it hits store shelves and it will have all that nasty DRM removed, and DRM counts any hardware changes (ram/HDD/dvd) and counts that too. They'll play it anyway as much as they like installing it as many times as they will need while we, the people who actually buy their games are stuck with shit.

I would hope that publishers and devs would learn that punishing your consumer base doesnt stop pirating it causes it. They have yet to make a protection scheme that hackers cant find a way around. So why are they shelling out extra cash to have it put on thier games?

This is one of the reasons PC gaming has lost its place in my heart. Plus pirates love this... it gives them another reason for them to say f' the man... i think every dev/pub should take a Stardock approach to pirating, realize its going to happen, but try to have great customer support and games and you'll limit it.

I hate when they do this, it makes me hate the company. DRM also slows your PC down because it's ALWAYS checking your hardware. I want to strangle the guy who made this choice, I want to strangle him and shake him like a ragdoll.

dududf:
Congratulations, my preorder has been cancelled.

Go frig your selves. When will you learn that we won't take that shit, and that all DRM does is make the Pirate Bay seem ever so friendly.

Excuse me while I go check to see if we are spared from DRM in Mass Effect 2.
-------
Securom has caused me to have to reformat both my drives more then I'd like to admit.

Minimal DRM and good game makes me more willing to throw my money at the developers.
_____

Final note, if you're gonna treat me like a thief before anything has been done then frig off I'll go ahead and BE A THIEF. It makes no difference in your eyes anyways.

Mass Effect 2 doesn't have DRM if I remember correctly. EA for the most part learned their lesson from the whole Spore DRM debacle.

CD-R:

dududf:
Congratulations, my preorder has been cancelled.

Go frig your selves. When will you learn that we won't take that shit, and that all DRM does is make the Pirate Bay seem ever so friendly.

Excuse me while I go check to see if we are spared from DRM in Mass Effect 2.
-------
Securom has caused me to have to reformat both my drives more then I'd like to admit.

Minimal DRM and good game makes me more willing to throw my money at the developers.
_____

Final note, if you're gonna treat me like a thief before anything has been done then frig off I'll go ahead and BE A THIEF. It makes no difference in your eyes anyways.

Mass Effect 2 doesn't have DRM if I remember correctly. EA for the most part learned their lesson from the whole Spore DRM debacle.

Thank god for that!

I better go pre-order it now... already cancelled my Bioshock 2 order. Probably not gonna miss it, Amnesia as a major plot driver is pretty weak.

Snotnarok:
I hate when they do this, it makes me hate the company. DRM also slows your PC down because it's ALWAYS checking your hardware. I want to strangle the guy who made this choice, I want to strangle him and shake him like a ragdoll.

I don't think you understand what DRM is. DRM is any technology that restricts how digital data can be used, and there are many different approaches to DRM. iTunes used to use DRM for its music, and it certainly wasn't constantly checking your hardware. Steam uses DRM for everything. If DRM just consists of a disc-check at the program's startup, which is the norm for PC games, then it's not going to be constantly checking your hardware, slowing down your PC.

To make the claim that all DRM constantly checks your hardware and slows down your PC.. that's a ridiculous statement.

Your computer's likely slow because your registry's a mess - from normal use - and this is fairly easy to fix with a decent registry cleaner. (Try Glary Utilities. It's even free.)

Certainly there are reasons why you may dislike specific forms of DRM, but please know what you're talking about.

People are just freaking out because the name SecuROM's attached. It's the name of the DRM developers, not the program. They make more than one product.

It's always fun to see how people react to these things.

Because

1: SecuROM will most likely NEVER cause a problem for them by now. It didn't do it to me ever and I have used a few virtual driver programs.

2: Activation limits. Seeing that you now got 15 of them the odds of you losing ALL of them quickly enough is like one in a million. IF you are retarded enough.
Now most of you probably don't know that you can just contact them and ask for more. *Gasp* I know it's amazing.

This is like the internet version of Moon landing hoax. :D Keep em coming boys.

ThrobbingEgo:

Snotnarok:
I hate when they do this, it makes me hate the company. DRM also slows your PC down because it's ALWAYS checking your hardware. I want to strangle the guy who made this choice, I want to strangle him and shake him like a ragdoll.

I don't think you understand what DRM is. DRM is any technology that restricts how digital data can be used, and there are many different approaches to DRM. iTunes used to use DRM for its music, and it certainly wasn't constantly checking your hardware. If DRM just consists of a disc-check at startup, which is the norm for PC games, then it's not going to be constantly checking your hardware, slowing down your PC.

To make the claim that all DRM constantly checks your hardware and slows down your PC.. that's a ridiculous statement.

Your computer's likely slow because your registry's a mess - from normal use - and this is fairly easy to fix with a decent registry cleaner. (Try Glary Utilities. It's even free.)

Certainly there are reasons why you may dislike specific forms of DRM, but please know what you're talking about.

I like that you assume so much, I'm experienced with computers. I know a lot about DRM because I read on it, and I happen to know someone who works in the game industry. It limits your installs, and it monitors your hardware so it can identify your computer this is a process on your PC. That process, like all processes is a task that slows your pc down because it uses resources, sure it's not slowing it down a lot but it's just one process I don't want while I'm not playing the stupid game.

Perhaps you should read before calling me out on my " ridiculous statement" because a task uses resources on your PC, inother words it slows your "personal computer" down. Because it's wasting "calculations" and "memory" to monitor or "watch" your computer and "validate" this with the servers it's "registered on". Hardware changes count as an install varying from RAM, HDD, DVD-ROM drive, DRM monitors all of these and is a process that watches while your PC is on, not only when the game is on. If you change any of these, you lose an install.

Next time don't talk to me so condescending about a topic that I'm sure you're so well read on. I deal with computers every day, I make PCs for people, and I fix them. But if you're okay with installing malicious software that isn't labeled on the software that your buying then go right ahead.

Edit: I'm mad enough about DRM, this may be a bit of a harsh post but I'm not going to let the shit of the earth known as DRM be misunderstood. It's bullshit and it's not good for the consumer, their PC or the industry.

I'm still unhappy that I didn't just get it on my PS3.

I bought a game with SecuROM once. It didn't run on either of my computers. Won't make that mistake again.

Pre-ordered the collector's edition just a few days ago. I'm currently reconsidering it but will need to talk to my partner who's the bigger Bioshock fan.

Not terribly worried about the insecuROM or the activation limit, but I've decided I definitely don't like GFWL. Not allowing my saves to transfer over depending on if I happen to have or not have an internet connection at the moment is a serious problem.

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