Nintendo Turned Down Project Natal

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Nintendo Turned Down Project Natal

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Nintendo could have had its money-filled mitts on Project Natal, but they were obviously filled with too much money already.

An insider at Nintendo's Japanese headquarters has revealed to CVG that President and CEO Satoru Iwata had the chance to acquire what is now known as Project Natal for a Wii accessory, but he turned it down. Iwata was impressed with the technology, but didn't see it as a Nintendo product. According to the insider: "Iwata-san only ever invests in something he can guarantee will work for a Nintendo audience."

The insider alleges that Israeli firm 3DV Systems visited Nintendo in 2007 to show off an early demo, apparently confirming 3DV's involvement with Natal, if Microsoft's acquisition wasn't a hint. "3DV showed off a camera that detected motion in 3D, and had voice recognition ... I've heard Iwata describe the prototype he saw at length, and it's definitely Natal," the insider revealed. Cost was one of the reasons the technology was turned down, as "Iwata-San was unconvinced he could sell it at a Nintendo price point. He also had some worries around latency during gameplay."

CVG's source continues: "We remain unconvinced Natal will deliver on the more sophisticated elements of what Microsoft is promising at the price they're aiming for." Natal was recently in the news for removing a chip to become less expensive, but who knows what that actually means. For all we know this "insider" could be leaking information on purpose to put Natal in a bad light. Ultimately, it'll come down to how Natal performs when it is released, and the quality of the software that it supports. If games like this can be pulled off, and they actually work, it could be a very cool technology indeed.

Nintendo just better hope that Project Natal doesn't go the same way as the SNES-CD, a joint development with Sony that was canceled and ended up becoming the PlayStation. Nintendo might be back on top today, but for a while the PlayStation put quite a dent in Nintendo's bottom line.

Source: CVG

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I'm still a little hazy on the thing, is it like a better eyetoy? Cause they actually were quite fun, but I could win just about every game with a broom... Anyway, whether it's a massive success or not, I think Nintendo have made enough to skip making the next console, and still have more money than competitors. Interesting though, maybe it will lead to another story saying that Nintendo were idiots. Or they dodged a bullet, and Iwata is a genius.

I would've turned down Natal too. Good move Nintendo.

brunothepig:
I'm still a little hazy on the thing, is it like a better eyetoy? Cause they actually were quite fun, but I could win just about every game with a broom... Anyway, whether it's a massive success or not, I think Nintendo have made enough to skip making the next console, and still have more money than competitors. Interesting though, maybe it will lead to another story saying that Nintendo were idiots. Or they dodged a bullet, and Iwata is a genius.

It looks like a totally visual-processing motion-based interaction. It looks like, on that little black unit in the picture, there's dual cameras to pick up binocular vision of a player's motions and facial expressions to control games.

But... it's a gimmicky product prone to failure and open to a lot of motion sensor frippery and add ons you can sell at exorbitant prices! What were Nintendo thinking? Clearly the head of their 'Get More Money' Department was out to lunch, and the guy from 'Creative Ideas' escaped the dungeon for a few minutes to save us from this.

brunothepig:
I'm still a little hazy on the thing, is it like a better eyetoy? Cause they actually were quite fun, but I could win just about every game with a broom... Anyway, whether it's a massive success or not, I think Nintendo have made enough to skip making the next console, and still have more money than competitors. Interesting though, maybe it will lead to another story saying that Nintendo were idiots. Or they dodged a bullet, and Iwata is a genius.

Yes, it's a modern eyetoy that they are claiming will revoloutionize the industry. It's certainly better than the eye-toy, but I don't expect much from it.

The kiss of death for Natal. If Nintendo actively makes a decision not to do something, then there are some pretty damn good reasons they don't do it.

wow i did not know play station was supposed to be a snes but on a cd...
But after playing wild arms one and suikoden one, i am not surprised.

Tom Goldman:
"Iwata-san only ever invests in something he can guarantee will work for a Nintendo audience."

He should totally invest in a rattle that sits on the end of the Wiimote. They would make billions.

Adzma:

Tom Goldman:
"Iwata-san only ever invests in something he can guarantee will work for a Nintendo audience."

He should totally invest in a rattle that sits on the end of the Wiimote. They would make billions.

Quoth the fanboy.

Oh crap. If this is a repeat of the SNES CD, then say hello to the Natalstation.

HolidayBrick:
I would've turned down Natal too. Good move Nintendo.

Me too. I remain unconvinced that this technology has a future. I don't know about other gamers, but I still want a controller in my hands and at least the Wii still gives me that.

This comes right back to nintendo not liking outside developpers...

muckinscavitch:
This comes right back to nintendo not liking outside developpers...

Yeah how dare a company put its own work ahead of other companies. I mean seriously what's wrong with them, liking profits so much.

Just this once, I want Peter Moleneuyzuyxwhatever to be right 100%. I want Natal to revolutionize gaming. I want this "gimmicky thing" to destroy our expectations, prove him right, prove the detractors wrong, and knock Nintendo down a peg.

Nintendo turning down Natal seems a lot like a fat kid turning down another slightly less fat kid because that fat kid already ate the pudding. And also the pudding is... wait, my metaphor's gone all wonky on me, who's the fat kid again?

MelasZepheos:
the guy from 'Creative Ideas' escaped the dungeon for a few minutes to save us from this.

So perfecting motion-sensing video game consoles isn't a creative idea anymore? What is a creative idea, Halo 4?

WanderFreak:
Just this once, I want Peter Moleneuyzuyxwhatever to be right 100%. I want Natal to revolutionize gaming. I want this "gimmicky thing" to destroy our expectations, prove him right, prove the detractors wrong, and knock Nintendo down a peg.

And then I want Halo Reach to be the best FPS ever made and HL2:E3 to be cannceled.

Ohh and Yahtzee to be fired.

Then the forums would honestly go nuclear.

Wait......Nintendo turned down motion control....*BOOM*(head explodes)

internetzealot1:
The kiss of death for Natal. If Nintendo actively makes a decision not to do something, then there are some pretty damn good reasons they don't do it.

Not necessarily. As TG said if this turns out to be a revolution and they passed it by, just like the SNES-CD that Sony made into the Playstation, they'll look even more foolish. Nintendo don't always make great decisions; it's just their last one was gold.

WhiteTigerShiro:

Adzma:

Tom Goldman:
"Iwata-san only ever invests in something he can guarantee will work for a Nintendo audience."

He should totally invest in a rattle that sits on the end of the Wiimote. They would make billions.

Quoth the fanboy.

You obviously have no idea what the word fanboy means.

They allowed Microsoft to get their hands on it and totally ruin it for themselves...maybe it was a smarter move than we thought?

one company's trash is another company's treasure I suppose

Okay, then. Doesn't really seem all that surprising, if true. Or significant, depending on how Natal does.

Adzma:

WhiteTigerShiro:

Adzma:

Tom Goldman:
"Iwata-san only ever invests in something he can guarantee will work for a Nintendo audience."

He should totally invest in a rattle that sits on the end of the Wiimote. They would make billions.

Quoth the fanboy.

You obviously have no idea what the word fanboy means.

Actually, "fanboy" was a much nicer word than what came to my mind.

brunothepig:
I'm still a little hazy on the thing, is it like a better eyetoy? Cause they actually were quite fun, but I could win just about every game with a broom... Anyway, whether it's a massive success or not, I think Nintendo have made enough to skip making the next console, and still have more money than competitors. Interesting though, maybe it will lead to another story saying that Nintendo were idiots. Or they dodged a bullet, and Iwata is a genius.

Yes it is the old Eyetoy. Just that they added processing power and feed it new data on how to interpret 3D movement. I say it`s going to fail worse than the Wii failed with hardcore gamers.

Uhh oh, the Wii just slapped Project Natal, I wonder if Natal will return to crush the Wii or become a failure that many like to hope/think will happen.

Killerbunny001:

brunothepig:
I'm still a little hazy on the thing, is it like a better eyetoy? Cause they actually were quite fun, but I could win just about every game with a broom... Anyway, whether it's a massive success or not, I think Nintendo have made enough to skip making the next console, and still have more money than competitors. Interesting though, maybe it will lead to another story saying that Nintendo were idiots. Or they dodged a bullet, and Iwata is a genius.

Yes it is the old Eyetoy. Just that they added processing power and feed it new data on how to interpret 3D movement. I say it`s going to fail worse than the Wii failed with hardcore gamers.

Not quite. They added another camera, giving the thing true 3D vision, then made one of them infrared so that they can not only distinguish between people and objects but keep excellent track of multiple people at the same time. Combine that with proper voice recognition and really all you need is a projection TV to get the wall out of Total Recall.

Didn't Miyamoto or someone say they'd saw it being used an he thought it was pretty rubbish, obviously a paraphrase

If that's true, then this could also be true and that makes me think it's gonna completely fail.

Kwil:

Killerbunny001:

brunothepig:
I'm still a little hazy on the thing, is it like a better eyetoy? Cause they actually were quite fun, but I could win just about every game with a broom... Anyway, whether it's a massive success or not, I think Nintendo have made enough to skip making the next console, and still have more money than competitors. Interesting though, maybe it will lead to another story saying that Nintendo were idiots. Or they dodged a bullet, and Iwata is a genius.

Yes it is the old Eyetoy. Just that they added processing power and feed it new data on how to interpret 3D movement. I say it`s going to fail worse than the Wii failed with hardcore gamers.

Not quite. They added another camera, giving the thing true 3D vision, then made one of them infrared so that they can not only distinguish between people and objects but keep excellent track of multiple people at the same time. Combine that with proper voice recognition and really all you need is a projection TV to get the wall out of Total Recall.

While the technological part is true (I didn`t mean to misinform but to shed light on the fact that Natal is the grandson of the Eyetoy and not Optimus Prime ) the rest is just "selling it to the masses". Flailing my arms around like an idiot is not my ideea of gaming, that is IF the flailing will be properly recognized and I doubt it will.

Tom Goldman:
According to the insider: "Iwata-san only ever invests in something he can guarantee will work for a Nintendo audience."

I call bullshit. The Power Glove, the virtual-boy, etc are just a few examples of Nintendo royally screwing the hell up. They are just trying to spread some FUD about Natal, I expected better from Nintendo.

internetzealot1:
The kiss of death for Natal. If Nintendo actively makes a decision not to do something, then there are some pretty damn good reasons they don't do it.

Snes-CD.
Hello there.

If some reports are correct, Natal uses around 20% of the processing power of the XBox 360 in order to perform its functions. With all due respect to the Wii, I rather feel that a loss of 20% of processing power would be a much bigger hit for it than for the XBox 360.

I know it's inapt- they're very different platforms, a certain amount of the XBox's power goes into making its HD visuals versus the SD ones of the Wii, and so on, and so on. Still, the most sophisticated perephrial addition the Wii has gotten to date is the Wiimotion Plus. I'm genuinely not certain the Wii would have enough cycles left to process an enjoyable game if it was trying to track four peoples' full-body movements.

If this does come back and bite them in thebackside I bet wont be happt

They made the freakin' Wii, and yet turned THIS down.

This is for the Nintendo audience. They wouldn't even need a controller, what can get more casual than that?

Meh. Natal seems more gimmicky than anything. I know Nintendo is all about gimmicky, but maybe this was a bit too much for them.

internetzealot1:
The kiss of death for Natal. If Nintendo actively makes a decision not to do something, then there are some pretty damn good reasons they don't do it.

Yea, there is: they want their customers to be able to buy anything they create with a jar of pennies.

They pay for it with hardly any third-party titles and god awful graphics, though.

If Natal really is only $60-$80, I guarantee it will be worth buying. If for nothing else but the great XBLA titles I'm sure it'll support.

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