Mass Effect 2's Nudity Level Decided by Dictatorship

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If you want to see bewbs go browse the internet. Im pretty sure its not hard to find as about 90% of the internet is porn. I loved Mass Effect and had no problem with the lack of cleavage shown. I just wish there was some extra added benefit to getting one of the characters in the sack, like an extra ability from them in combat or something.

Bunky the Wonder Clown says "More sex in video games!"

Amnestic:

Internet Kraken:
One of the things that always kills romance subplots for me are the awkward character animations.

I cannot stress THIS enough. I was quite satisfied with ME2's fade to black.

Amen to that. The one thing that Bioware seems to have a consistent problem with is animation... particularly when they try to get characters to go shag.

At least ME2's scene with Tali (while being annoying from the retcon standpoint) is somewhat tolerable thanks to it looking like people would actually hold each other in such a manner.

Outlaw Torn:
Bunky the Wonder Clown?

Awesomespeak for 'Joe the plumber' I assume.

Understood, Woo. It's your game, until it's released. At that point we can judge it, complain about it, criticise it, or adore it. That's when it becomes our game, you see.

Now, would you like to explain the deep artistic reasoning behind getting rid of all homosexual options this time around?

I'm actually just happy that the scenes are actually different based on which person you have a relationship with instead of just the characters doing the exact same thing.

Sex with Tali was... a little to superficial.

The_root_of_all_evil:

Tom Goldman:
To me, sex scenes in a game or movie are almost pointless, sometimes only included to for the thrill, not to add to the story.

Don't agree there. Sometimes a good sex scene can almost make the story. Consider Sam Lowry's scene in Brazil, or for a more complete action Wild Things, Cruel Intention, Rear Window, The Hunger or even Brokeback Mountain.

Granted, 9 times out of 10 they're only titillation, and 8.5 of those are simply pink bits flapping like grunting turkeys; but I wouldn't be too quick to disregard the idea of a powerful sex scene.

Yup, that's why I put "sometimes." I'm not counting it out as something which can be significant by any means.

DamienHell:
They should have had more graphics sex scenes in ME2 just to stick it to Fox. Or they could have at least SHOWN TALIS FACE! I want to know what Quarians look like under those masks :(

Actually in the games concept art, they have a picture of a quarians face.


I don't know what the huge fuss is about, she just looks human like.
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OT:
Isn't it common knowledge that developers make what the heck they want? It only looks like they are bending to the gamers will, because we are paying for the game, but ultimately it's not our decision.

So they wanted the underwear thing in DA:O? I mean come' on that looked redonkulous. I am a big fan of the "sideboob, fade to black leave it to the imagination" type scene but the whole underwear thing was slightly offputting and looked silly. Which is not the word you should be using when describing those scenes (well except in Zev's case).

dududf:

DamienHell:
They should have had more graphics sex scenes in ME2 just to stick it to Fox. Or they could have at least SHOWN TALIS FACE! I want to know what Quarians look like under those masks :(

Actually in the games concept art, they have a picture of a quarians face.


I don't know what the huge fuss is about, she just looks human like.
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OT:
Isn't it common knowledge that developers make what the heck they want? It only looks like they are bending to the gamers will, because we are paying for the game, but ultimately it's not our decision.

Oh, screw you!

Ha, just kidding. But seriously, you scared the crap out of me. I haven't been this startled since I first picked up on Captain Queenan's The Illusive Man's blatant xenophobia. I mean, really, that character reminds of me of Bill O'Reilly. Didn't anyone else get that feeling, or is it just me?

"what BioWare wants in it games, BioWare should put in its games, end of story"

I Salute you.....The world salutes you. *emotional Trumpet music kicks in*

DamienHell:
They should have had more graphics sex scenes in ME2 just to stick it to Fox. Or they could have at least SHOWN TALIS FACE! I want to know what Quarians look like under those masks :(

yeahh but if they showed her face she would ahve to be dead as quarians have a weak immune system, So then its just nechrophelia

Ok yeah this is pretty much bullshit. Bioware puts in and takes out whatever the publisher wants them to. If the publisher nixes something then all Bioware can do is cut it out. The one that holds the pursestrings ultimately controls everything and trying to claim otherwise is just flat out lying. I'm not claiming thats what happened with the removing of the possibility of having homosexual encounters but yeah.

On the other hand, its a fucking science fiction space opera. Its not like there's a lot of artistic integrity to hold on to, so who gives a shit?

The posters on Bioware Social Site are a bunch of retards. The ME boards were okay before they transferred over to the social site... wonder what happened :/

i have no issue with sex in games but i have 1 issue with bioware's sex scenes in both mass effect 2 and DA:O , they keep their clothes on while doing it ...no matter what....
i dont care if it fades to black or what ever but if your gona show 5-10 seconds of it adlist have the dissency(sp?) to remove some clothing, because it looks bad enough with the weird animations and all but watching em dry humping each other is just awkward .....

DamienHell:
They should have had more graphics sex scenes in ME2 just to stick it to Fox. Or they could have at least SHOWN TALIS FACE! I want to know what Quarians look like under those masks :(

Underneath there mask is....another mask. But thats just my theory

Boxpopper:

MR T3D:
nice they say this, and if i were working there, i'd still not want tits in the games mostly because graphics aren't perfect, so it's like a cartoon, and that's kind of sick

What exactly is "sick" about it? They are crafted to look like geniune people (or aliens). Honestly they more resemble real people than "cartoons."

No they cartoons. Anatomically correct cartoons but ultimately they are cartoon titties.

Thank god they didn't put nudity in, it would have been very tacky.

WINDOWCLEAN2:

yeahh but if they showed her face she would ahve to be dead as quarians have a weak immune system, So then its just nechrophelia

Uh, we don't see her face, but Shepard does.

Rigs83:

No they cartoons. Anatomically correct cartoons but ultimately they are cartoon titties.

So are the airbrushed models in Playboy.

Do people still buy Playboy by the way? I mean, with all the internet porn out there I assumed they'd have gone out of business by now.

Tom Goldman:

The_root_of_all_evil:

Tom Goldman:
To me, sex scenes in a game or movie are almost pointless, sometimes only included to for the thrill, not to add to the story.

Don't agree there. Sometimes a good sex scene can almost make the story. Consider Sam Lowry's scene in Brazil, or for a more complete action Wild Things, Cruel Intention, Rear Window, The Hunger or even Brokeback Mountain.

Granted, 9 times out of 10 they're only titillation, and 8.5 of those are simply pink bits flapping like grunting turkeys; but I wouldn't be too quick to disregard the idea of a powerful sex scene.

Yup, that's why I put "sometimes." I'm not counting it out as something which can be significant by any means.

Ah, by the sentence structure I thought you said they were all pointless, but sometimes were titillating. My error.

The real way to deal with it though is to actually get some porn actors/actresses in. Candy Suxx in GTA:VC was Jenna Jameson, for instance. They spend their days learning how to "work it", so they might have a little knowledge on what works?

I for one support Bunky the wonder clown. As he is even more raunchy than Krusty the Clown.
If Bunky says the jigglies are good enough for him it's good enough for the good old USA.

whycantibelinus:
In my opinion I felt that the love scenes were better in Mass Effect 2, they seemed carried more of an emotional connection between the characters. The scene in the first game just seemed awkward and maybe a little out of place, but that's just me.

Gotta agree, though I've only seen one.

Internet Kraken:
Honestly if you are going to have sex in a video game just fade to black. One of the things that always kills romance subplots for me are the awkward character animations.

Well, you COULD MoCap them...

Which would look rather funny. Two people in tight black and blue suits with ping pong balls glued to them move as they had sex. Their personal sex would even be irrelevant.

Hilarious.

OT: Sorry, but I don't believe the outrage the first ME caused had NOTHING AT ALL to do with the second one being less explicit in that category, you can talk all you want.

Huh, what a load of crap.

I agree that insisting on sexual content in games is immature, but lets just call it like it is: Bioware or their parent EA are afraid of bad press.

Look at the trend: Bioware releases Jade Empire that has no nudity, but a mild homosexual relationship if the player wants. Then they pop out Mass Effect. Mild homosexual female relationship, and a scene of a bare butt.

Then Fox News jumped on them.

Now they released Dragon Age, where they amped up the relationships....but they are only intimate in their underwear. Mass Effect 2 doesn't even really give you that. You get to see Miranda's lacy bra...which is nice, but not much else.

The trend points to them becoming more conservative, most likely from outside pressures.

Amnestic:
Do people still buy Playboy by the way? I mean, with all the internet porn out there I assumed they'd have gone out of business by now.

Well, yeah, the Playboy is actually a magazine with more cars than breasts in it.

Don't ask, I was like 14 or something.

MR T3D:
nice they say this, and if i were working there, i'd still not want tits in the games mostly because graphics aren't perfect, so it's like a cartoon, and that's kind of sick

Note that cartoon nudity is readily available on the internet and still manages to hit the right biological-instinctual "triggers" in the human psyche. Yes, men are quite literally hard-wired to be that easy to turn on, however "sick" one might feel that is. It's also possible to be aroused by plain old text with no images whatsoever. Harlequin's survival as a publisher relies on this phenomenon. Interestingly, the majority of their customers are women.

I'm not sure I even have to mention the excessive nudity in fine art, especially throughout history. More often than not, these are usually paintings of Biblical topics. Yes, these tended to be a bit less realistic than modern game graphics, might I add. For human history stretching back thousands of years, an obsession with realism was hardly the topic of the day. (Also, reality tended to be pretty horrific, especially if you were a peasant or commoner, but that's something else entirely.)

This is how humanity is. One is certainly free to feel disappointed. However, there are other options: acceptance is one, amusement the other. It's all a matter of having a grounded perspective on things. A sense of humor doesn't hurt.

When I played the first ME, I couldn't help but feel a little pressured into choosing some kind of romance subplot. I chose to play my Shepard as a hard ass that's consumately professional. All of a sudden both Ashley and Liara are putting out signals. In game romance gives me the "no" feeling.

More Fun To Compute:
Apparently Bunky the Wonder Clown is a poster on Kotaku.

Even Kotaku are kicking our asses. We need to bribe some industry figures to make references to furburt so that we look more relevant.

or reference Neonbob
Could also work

Anyway

I find It good to see that all the effort has a result That's my sole opinion about it
I mean what is the point of having a relationship feature which Only is a repetitive love talk thingy

I mean when I shoot a gun I expect there to be a bullet(in games sometimes also laserbeam) comming out right?

This is very much the same

Oye not this again. The whole sex scene thing has been blown way outta proportion and frankly I was incredibly disappointed that Bioware didn't put similar scenes in ME2. The scene in ME1 weren't even that arousing BUT it was extremely tasteful as sex scenes go, especially for a video game. Seriously, if most designers were given a script and description about what would transpire it would have most likely turned into a pointless porn/nude scene. Instead Bioware gave us something completely and utterly harmless.

Personally I see the intimate scenes in ME2 as Bioware cowering at the possibility of media backlash. Yes they are a private company and are entitled to do business as they see fit blah blah rights blah blah freedoms etc but as a company they are also supposed to appease the customers. Also, considering the so called sex scenes in Mass Effect 1 and Dragon's Age: Origins one might think they'd keep the tasteful sex scenes instead of this dry humping we have in ME2.

It's only sex and it's not even real people. Humanity needs to grow the hell up. K I'm done rantin'.

Gladion:

Amnestic:
Do people still buy Playboy by the way? I mean, with all the internet porn out there I assumed they'd have gone out of business by now.

Well, yeah, the Playboy is actually a magazine with more cars than breasts in it.

Don't ask, I was like 14 or something.

Ever heard, "I read Playboy for the articles." and thought it was a joke? Maybe to an adolescent it is, since most heterosexual teenage males are on a constant quest to see women naked. Interestingly enough, as I've become a more mature human being I have realized that Playboy actually has excellent interviews, great short stories, hilarious cartoons, and superbly written articles on a wide range of topics. I found that it is entirely possible and fulfilling to read Playboy for articles. It's just a magazine without much censorship and is marketed primarily to adult men.

Off topic statement. =-)

As Bunky the Wonder Clown's representative I can promise you that we at BtWC Inc. will not stand by to have our position demeaned by these people, legal action will be taken!

OT: Why can't these people just google porn?

I think Mr. Woo needs to drop the spin doctor act.

This will doubtlessly never be read by anyone that mattered, but I think he misses the point that if I'm buying a game that touts the romantic options as a selling point, and honestly the Mass Effect series has done this from the very beginning as a way of generating hype, I expect eroticism appropriate to it's rating. With an M (or R) rating we're in "erotic thriller" type territory here, and if I don't feel a bit titillated by the sex scenes I have a right to feel disappointed by the product. Now if this game was a teeny romance with a 'T' or 'G' rating, I could see the arguement. But this *IS* an M rated game, and I don't expect it to pull punches.

I guess the big problem is that all pathetic comments about being "able to handle sex" which seem like something kids would ay whenever I hear it, the bottom line is that us adults like our erotic escapism which is why it sells so massively even when it's not outright porn. This applies to both genders. Movies like "Wild Things" were successful enough to spawn two sequels for example. Try and sound profound and mature all you want on the subject, that's simply how things are.

I think the big problem is that people keep thinking "finally we're going to see a real game oriented at adults that incorperates sex and eroticism into an overall game experience without turning into some non-stop hentai-type sex farce". The arguements really aren't about the amount of sex, but the quality of what is there. Nobody is looking for another adventure of Lane Masterdon, or Brad Stallion (and his spaceship 'the big thruster').

Bioware can beat around the bush all they want, but the only reason for some of these girls to put on more clothing than they wear normally to have sex is censorship, or fear thereof (referance to Dragon Age here actually). The issue here isn't the audience, and as much as Bioware tries to retaliate by making people look/feel awkward over making this point, the bottom line is that they have been messing up.

Of course honestly I suspect that Bioware (like other companies) lacks the guts to actually push the envelope, and would rather go to making "T" rated games than try and make real "M" rated titles... and in the process leading a charge that has the entire industry quaking with fear as they all wait for someone else to take the risk.

i don't think he understands what "dictatorship" means.
a dictator doesn't let you CHOOSE for one thing.

though i completely agree about he nudity.
nudity =/= mature.

also , about the "immature suggestions"..immature teens ARE the main demographic for video games and anime ,so of course they'll ask for more boobs to wank to.

i'd say this guy didn't do his studies before getting into this business.

Bioware is correct.
I'm not the biggest fan of their games, but an intelligent comment, is an intelligent comment.

The problem is, that there are younger gamers who think ME and DA:O are cool because you can have sex in the game. This is nothing new to video games, of course, as there will always be that segment of the gaming population (the world is always filled with hormone fueled, sex deprived, teenagers...)

I think it would be interesting if Bioware would release ME3 with absolutely no sex scenes at all, and watch the reaction. But I'm not going to tell them to do that. I think it would be a fun sociological experiment though.

And although I found the relationship elements in DA:O a bit underwhelming (feed gifts to your party members enough and you will win his/her heart), it is certainly more robust than say, the "sex scene" in God of War. That was a funny minigame the first time around. But in GoW2 and GoW on PSP, the joke got old.

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