Australians Overwhelmingly Support R18+ Rating

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lol @ Atkinson

how does a man like that (extremely predjudice) get into office?

and as many have stated the people who vote are the ones who care/are affected by it - which is the point of having a vote. seems like Atkinson is anti-democracy. try him for treason!!!!

Chrinik:

RikSharp:
michael atkinson: "we can't have a public vote, they will vote against me cos its only the people that the current rules affect that care enough to vote"

i think thats kind of the point...
the people that it affects want to tell you that they want new rules.
going by the numbers, looks like they are doing just that.

So you think, then the others are not fulfilling their duty of living in a democratic state.
If your country holds a public vote on some issue and you can´t be arsed to look into it and maybe decide for a side and go vote for it, then you fail as a citizen and shouldn´t be complaining when the side that actually DID bother to go vote voted against your will!
You are lucky australia even DOES a vote on that matter, i still have to suffer from a spectacular form of dictatorship that changes it´s faces every 4 years, or not, for that matter...

I feel so distant from the politics in my country, and so fucking pissed off about them deciding stuff that the PEOPLE should decide in the first place, FOR THE PEOPLE, all for their "good" of course!
The big fat "For citizen and fatherland" on the Reichstag used to mean something back in the 50ies-70ies, but not that!

But i´m heaviely strafing off course so let me just say that ANY vote done publically is REPRESENTING the mindset of the people...the ones who DON´T go voting don´t care anyway and can therefore be ignored.

i agree entirely, i was pointing out that mr atkinson was against a public vote because he knew that the vote would put him in the minority. (assuming we are not counting the non voters)
i am all for the 18 rating and i love on the other side of the world.
i am against censorship and believe in good parenting to stop little kiddies running around cussing while "Pwning n00bs" on the latest modern warefare (for example)

Shoudn't it only be Gamers that matter? If the parents of kids below 18 cared then they would have sent their response as well.

PhiMed:

SirBryghtside:

John Funk:
Of those 1,084, only 11 had been against the idea of a R18+ rating: less than 1%.

Actually, a little more than 1% - 1.46 recurring percent, to be exact.

But anyway, I really hope this comes into play - I'm no Aussie, but I really feel they need justice on this.

Wait... I can tell it's more than one percent, but 1.46? That can't be right. That's almost 1 and a half percent.

(Calculates 11/1084)

Nope, it's 1.014%.

I think what you did was divide 1084 by eleven, giving 98.54 recurring (meaning 1084 is 9855% of eleven when you round up) and subtract from 100, which is a meaningless number.

So your statement that it is not less than 1% is correct, but your math is wrong.

Sorry, but I was an accounting major.

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Good work ;-D

Hopefully they get the R18+ rating, I would hate to have to play stipped down versions of M rated games.

Hey, Atkinson. That sinking feeling your getting? Yeah, that's what we on the internet call fail.

...gosh I hope this goes through...

I don't get why it's such an issue.

Can't you guys like, use Steam or Direct2Drive and just get as much uncensored crap as you want? Or is it mainly the console users who are bitter about it?

SirBryghtside:

John Funk:
Of those 1,084, only 11 had been against the idea of a R18+ rating: less than 1%.

Actually, a little more than 1% - 1.46 recurring percent, to be exact.

But anyway, I really hope this comes into play - I'm no Aussie, but I really feel they need justice on this.

*slap* you accountant... and to be fair, everywhere else has a 18+ rating (as far as I am aware), can it be that wrong for australia to catch up?

p.s. I don't know what their system of scoring is, if they have a 18+ equivalent then I am talking out my ar*e, but feel free to correct me.

Those 11 votes are probably just Atkinson voting 11 times

Hmm just to say it but there was no vote actually taken. It was a survey and it holds as much legal validity as a piece of tissue paper.

Now about the alleged point that Atkinson had. Yes he would have a point if the difference had been something like a 20/80 spread or even 10/90 but we are talking a 1/99 split. If we ignored 90% of the people that was for it (the people that are angriest shout the loudest but does not make them right) It would still be roughly a 10/90 spread. If you then factor in that gamers are probably a little better at spreading information then your average person, we can safely cut the remaining people for the rating in half. And still we have an overwhelming majority for the rating (roughly 83%).

When you can do this amount of number juggling and STILL get a vast majority against you, there is no argument about statistical irregularities that is going to help you. All this however is of course moot. Mr. Atkinson holds the power on this subject and unless other governmental bodies are willing to put political pressure on him I don't think he is going to change his vote.

I'm rooting for Atkinson :)
Having so many games banned in Australia would be a boon to the pirate scene.

evil_lincoln:
There is a South Australian state election on March 20th this year. If the Liberals can win this Atkinson will no longer be the S.A Attorney General as the main requirement for the position is being a member of cabinet. So hopefully the Liberals win and manage to replace him with someone as not hell bent on censorship as Atkinson is.

Unfortunately Atkinson has said somewhere along the long, sorry I can' remember exactly when, that the Liberal candidate for South Australia's Attorney-General position doesn't support an R18+ for games either, so we're kind of screwed. Atkinson freaking thanked him in a press statement the cock.

It's been said by about 90% of the posters in this topic but I have to say it too. Of course the only people who vote for it are the people it affects. If back in the 50s and 60s when indigenous Australians were trying to secure their right to vote, they would obviously be the majority of people who support it. The rest of the country doesn't give a damn about an R18 rating because it has no bearing on them. Why the fuck do you care Atkinson?

funksobeefy:
I really think that a one percent majority is a good sign that they dont want this.

Also all Australians should vote against this kinda censorship, it can transfer so easily across media forms and you could lose the right to free speech.

I actually dont know if you guys have a first amendment like free speech, but you should create one.

This has actually happened, recently there was a ban on advertisement and display of 18+ movies, ie you couldn't advertise, and purchasing the dvd will have a blank cover with the movie title, no authentic packaging, they are also relocated into a different section.

and in Late January/Early February, Atkinson brought in legislation where any person with a political opinion on the upcoming election MUST reveal their identity, however this was reversed at 10pm the same night it was released when Atkinson received an overwhelming negative reponse from the South Australian public.

Its becoming more apparent that this guy is on a power trip.

This is what you get when the irristable force of FOR THE CHILDREN (bereaucratic prick) meets the immoveable object of NOT IN MY BACKYARD (gamers)

Atkinson will keep to his story no matter what, so I don't see how an argument about him being wrong has to do with anything. Does Australia not have the radio/tv shows bashing this guy every day like what would happen here? "No more M rating" would be the death of that politician's career on the spot.

So you need another label to protect adults from games?

Well if it gets you the real games all for it.

Even if the Aussie government is Pro-zombie.

You gotta remember, it's all null and void because Michael Atkinson said our opinions don't matter...

I do love how 11 people said they don't want it. I get Michael paid people to say no.

If they banned 18+ videogames, they'd better be consistent and ban 18+ movies, books and TV shows too, otherwise what's the point?

SteelStallion:
I don't get why it's such an issue.

Can't you guys like, use Steam or Direct2Drive and just get as much uncensored crap as you want? Or is it mainly the console users who are bitter about it?

You actually can't get the uncensored version off of Steam unless the game is gifted to you from another region, such as the US. No idea about Direct2Drive.

Unfortunately, even with an overwhelming majority of voters in favour of an 18+ rating, Atkinson might just be a prick and toss out the public opinion vote because only a small portion of the population of Australia cared to vote. Ironically, M rated games tend to be far less violent and gory than movies than any movie of the same rating, and full-on nudity simply does not exist in mainstream gaming. Unfortunately, Atkinson seems to think that niche ero-games from Japan make up a majority of the gaming market, and he's on a crusade to make gaming about as sterile as China's legal gaming scene. Of course, all that's going to do is provoke rampant piracy... I mean, just look at China.

Aura Guardian:
Hopefully they get the 18+ rating. I feel bad for the Australian gamers having to play stripped down versions of M rated games.

As an Australian Gamer... yes it fracking well sucks! Show me the digital boobies already.

-M

The same argument can be made that if people opposed to the including of the restriction can vote, and they care about it enough, they will vote. As it stands, 99% of people who care enough to vote say yes, and 1% of people caring enough to vote say no.

Would'nt it only be 10 people because the AG vote must be in there and there's no way he's human, not with those teeth.

if we dont get a R rating ill cry. It should exist. little harm in having R rated games.

Well this is certainly not the newsflash article of the year. Everyone in Australia who knows about this issue supports the damn idea. Whether Atkinson predicted this or not is irrelevant. As the saying goes in the grass-roots movement against censorship in this country, Australia is not China. We will not accept a dictatorial attitude - you are with the people, or you are against the people, and will be voted in or out as such. That's democracy.

Even though our Attorney-General might enjoy the support of the Australian public on other issues, if gamers are vocal enough to make a difference (and they are), then his government might be surprised by the voter turn out for minor parties who are against most censorship, like the Greens, come the next election. So surprised, they fall out of their chairs, and pass over government to the Liberal Party, who will be worse about the whole thing.

As long as this doesn't result in votes for the Liberal Party because of uninformed people who don't realise how much worse THEY would make it, I'm glad that gamers have finally found a reason to really get involved in politics in this country.

Why should it make a diff who votes? Is that not like saying an election is invalid because 60% of voters stayed at home? No vote, no voice as it were. If the rest of Oz don't care, surely that means they're aren't against it?

chishandfips:

Nevyrmoore:
Unless Michael Atkinson decides "Okay, fine, have your 18+ rating!", then nothing will change until someone else takes his place.

Isn't the whole idea of democracy that if the votes are in favour of R18+, Atkinson can't do a damn thing about it?

That is indeed the idea. It's a pity it doesn't work. Still, this hopefully means that the voting will go the same way. I helped with those statistics, but I can't vote yet...

GameGoddess101:
This is ridiculous... I'm going to be doing my internship in South Australia!! If this R18+ doesn't get passed, Imma gonna be PIIISSSEDD!!!!

But go Aussies!! I mean, it's clear that they want an R18+ rating, but who exactly are they protecting by not having one?? That's my question.

Atkinson is trying to protect the millions of lives that will be lost during the abrupt shootings that will occur the moment this is passed. You do not understand the effect seeing red pixels has on our frail young minds!

selce:

GameGoddess101:
This is ridiculous... I'm going to be doing my internship in South Australia!! If this R18+ doesn't get passed, Imma gonna be PIIISSSEDD!!!!

But go Aussies!! I mean, it's clear that they want an R18+ rating, but who exactly are they protecting by not having one?? That's my question.

Atkinson is trying to protect the millions of lives that will be lost during the abrupt shootings that will occur the moment this is passed. You do not understand the effect seeing red pixels has on our frail young minds!

Of course, because if it's in video games, clearly the mass public will think its ok and go shooting EVERYONE!! For the extra points, you know. I'm so glad you have saved me, sir, from a rapidly ended life and allowed me to see the error of my hedonist, gamer ways. I bow to you, sir, and indeed owe you my life.

Clearly, Atkinson is God.

I honestly feel bad for Atkinson now.

He stands up for what he believes in, and everyone hates him for it.

Of course he does it rudely and thats why I don't like him.

I completely agree with everyone else on this site about the rating and the whole scenario, but that doesn't really matter.

These statistics are meaningless. There is always a huge bias in these types of things, they might as well have a poll on this website. There needs to be a properly conducted survey if they actually want to find out what the majority thinks...which is still hopefully that the 18+ rating should exist.

I simply can't get over in his logic in stating that "the vote will be 'unreliable' due to only people who care (that being gamers) voting".

If the only people who care enough to vote are 99% for it, then who are you protecting?

the numbers mean nothing, if this went to public vote, it would get crushed and we would have no hope of ever getting an r18 rating.

the people who care responded to this survey. a public vote implies 100% of the adult population of AUS HAS to vote on it. there is 25 million people who don't care, or are naive enough to vote the safe route. lets play the numbers safe and say 100,000 adult gamers feel strongly enough to have an opinion. a minority of those will be against. we would not win.

the only way this would go in our favour is if the vote was a referendum, and the question was worded to imply all ratings were to be merged and all media judged on the same standards, should the r rating be abolished for all media or added to games media.

Gamers ARE the public in this case. Not all gamers are social outcasts as we all well know, but they're going to be on a subject they care about that the rest of the nation doesn't because well it doesn't affect them.

Also I fear another Bush ballot.

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