Microsoft Vows to Investigate Reports of Child Labor

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Microsoft Vows to Investigate Reports of Child Labor

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Microsoft is mobilizing its inspectors after the National Labor Committee's allegations of atrocious conditions at KYE, a Chinese factory that makes products for Microsoft.

The report, which was made publicly available on the National Labor Committee's site, goes into explicit detail on the conditions of the factory. KYE, which supplies products not only to Microsoft but a number of other American companies, employs workers dubbed as "work study students" sometimes as young as 14. The report states they are working 15 hour shifts, six or seven days a week. Workers are paid 65 cents an hour (about 4 Chinese Yuan an hour, the Yuan being the rough equivalent to a US dollar in terms of Chinese currency), with factory food being deducted from the wage. The report further cites cramped fourteen-person dormitories, no proper bathing facilities, and sexual harassment of female employees by the guards.

"As a result of this report, we have a team of independent auditors en route to the facility to conduct a complete and thorough investigation," Microsoft said in response to this report. "If we find that the factory is not adhering to our standards, we will take appropriate action."

Microsoft said it had earlier assessed the facility and found no evidence of either child labor or safety violation. It has, however, stated it is going to take these new allegations seriously and respond. Microsoft has promised the facility will be audited next week in order to ensure the workers are being properly treated. Of course, with the official announcement and set date, there's nothing preventing the factory management from taking some time to "clean house" and make it look good for the visiting American inspectors. The dichotomy between the Microsoft assessment and the report is striking, and Chinese factory owners have been known for putting on a good face to American companies in the past to mask labor violations. While Microsoft has declared its intent to correct any problems it may find, who is to say it will find any problems when its inspectors go through the facility?

Source: Gamasutra

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Well good for them. Too bad other companies can't learn from this... it would earn them some good publicity as well.

However, I can't help but feel that Microsoft interfering would make things worse... some of those workers, that job is all they got. Without it, who knows how they can get their next meal.

It's not really child labour though.

14 is a teenager, and it is also significant that the age of sexual consent in China is 14.

Although some people in the West may view their 14 year old teenagers as children, in China it's old enough to have sex and have a job.

If we think that employing 14 year olds in China is using "child" labour, and if we acknowledge that the age of consent is 14, then that must mean we think China is a Paedophile Nation, and why would we want to be doing business with a nation of paedophiles, regardless of their good or bad working conditions?

I agree that the working conditions appear to be pretty bad by our standards, but I think that the sensational, attention grabbing phrase "Child Labour" in the headline is a misnomer.

If you want a really sensational story about videogame companies and real child slavery, then look into the Congolese Coltan mines, which supplied the Coltan for the PS2 (and similar products).

Microsoft is the one stepping up for human rights now?
*Head explodes*

Do they really expect to find anything wrong? It kind of defeats the purpose of an audit when you announce you are going to have one. It just gives those pricks time to hide the problem. At least they're making an effort though, which is more than can be said about other companies.

Jamash:
It's not really child labour though.

14 is a teenager, and it is also significant that the age of sexual consent in China is 14.

Although some people in the West may view their 14 year old teenagers as children, in China it's old enough to have sex and have a job.

If we think that employing 14 year olds in China is using "child" labour, and if we acknowledge that the age of consent is 14, then that must mean we think China is a Paedophile Nation, and why would we want to be doing business with a nation of paedophiles, regardless of their good or bad working conditions?

I agree that the working conditions appear to be pretty bad by our standards, but I think that the sensational, attention grabbing phrase "Child Labour" in the headline is a misnomer.

If you want a really sensational story about videogame companies and real child slavery, then look into the Congolese Coltan mines, which supplied the Coltan for the PS2 (and similar products).

I think you'd better just put that "logic" crap of your's down and walk away. And I really wish Canada still had the age of consent at 14, it was nice to live in a country with sound minded leaders. Oh well, no sense worshipping gravestones.

oppp7:
Microsoft is the one stepping up for human rights now?
*Head explodes*

Planning too, they haven't done anything yet. Lets not get ahead of ourselves.

Well considering most products from china are done by kids I don't see how this is a shock to them

Member when Mattel went down to China and preached the same message?

Remember how that ended?

oppp7:
Microsoft is the one stepping up for human rights now?
*Head explodes*

A touch unfair, Bill and Melinda Gates' charity work has stood up for human rights the world over, especially the rights of children and Bill is still the boss - so I can't imagine he would knowingly tolerate human rights breaches.

Just because many of us don't like some of the business practices of a company doesn't mean we need to consider the whole organization to be entirely evil.

That said I am not even going to start to debate the rights and wrongs of China's labor laws, we'd be here all day.

That's why you should always write some kind of "we'll show up and do a check whenever we damn well please without telling you about it before hand" clause into the contract.

Chinese companies have a reputation, as you said, for putting their "best face forward" to western companies, I did some contracting work for a company about a decade back and heard stories about how one Chinese factory they hired looked all shiny and new on inspections and tours with happy workers, but it turns out the books were doctored so that they wages the workers were suppose to be getting were cut by something like 75% (the rest going into the pocket of the bosses), the conditions appalling, when there were no investors / buyers around.

They only found out after a mix up in timing had them show up a week earlier for a meeting, the western company broke the contract then and there.

So you can't really blame Microsoft if they dealt in good faith, but if they knew about it before hand and did nothing I'd say burn them alive.

TheArma:

oppp7:
Microsoft is the one stepping up for human rights now?
*Head explodes*

A touch unfair, Bill and Melinda Gates' charity work has stood up for human rights the world over, especially the rights of children and Bill is still the boss - so I can't imagine he would knowingly tolerate human rights breaches.

Just because many of us don't like some of the business practices of a company doesn't mean we need to consider the whole organization to be entirely evil.

That said I am not even going to start to debate the rights and wrongs of China's labor laws, we'd be here all day.

True, but you're forgetting Microsoft is an internet punching bag that makes me look cooler when I make fun of it. And since they directly affect me in a negative way it doesn't matter how much they donate to charity they still suck.

The former is the reason I made fun of them and the latter is what just about everyone else on this site thinks.

i sure as hell know that i wasnt ready for a job and a love life at 14, and just because that is their legal age limit it doesn't make it the right one

Would getting rid of these suppliers increase the cost of my new controllers, or that fancy-ass new flash drive (though why I'd buy the MS licensed one, I don't know. This is theoretical)? Because if so, I'm against it. I'm against anything that raises the cost to me, as a consumer.

*hides child behind stack of RROD Xbox 360s*

Ain't nuthin' here, occifer.

Jamash:
It's not really child labour though.

14 is a teenager, and it is also significant that the age of sexual consent in China is 14.

Although some people in the West may view their 14 year old teenagers as children, in China it's old enough to have sex and have a job.

If we think that employing 14 year olds in China is using "child" labour, and if we acknowledge that the age of consent is 14, then that must mean we think China is a Paedophile Nation, and why would we want to be doing business with a nation of paedophiles, regardless of their good or bad working conditions?

I agree that the working conditions appear to be pretty bad by our standards, but I think that the sensational, attention grabbing phrase "Child Labour" in the headline is a misnomer.

If you want a really sensational story about videogame companies and real child slavery, then look into the Congolese Coltan mines, which supplied the Coltan for the PS2 (and similar products).

14 may be the age of sexual consent, but is it the age of legal adulthood?

Anyway, pretty bad by our standards is one hell of an understatement. 85 cents and hour AND the deduction of factory food? What does that leave them with? Some factory food and 10 cents?

Ajna:
Would getting rid of these suppliers increase the cost of my new controllers, or that fancy-ass new flash drive (though why I'd buy the MS licensed one, I don't know. This is theoretical)? Because if so, I'm against it. I'm against anything that raises the cost to me, as a consumer.

It would cut profit margins for Microsoft, but they wouldn't risk raising current prices.

Also, way to stand up for human rights, Mr.ShiningBeaconOfMorals

Hey he's honest which is probably more than can be said for some.

It's hard to imagine Microsoft doing anythink good. But it's good to know they are keeping an eye on how their stuff is made.

danpascooch:

Jamash:
It's not really child labour though.

14 is a teenager, and it is also significant that the age of sexual consent in China is 14.

Although some people in the West may view their 14 year old teenagers as children, in China it's old enough to have sex and have a job.

If we think that employing 14 year olds in China is using "child" labour, and if we acknowledge that the age of consent is 14, then that must mean we think China is a Paedophile Nation, and why would we want to be doing business with a nation of paedophiles, regardless of their good or bad working conditions?

I agree that the working conditions appear to be pretty bad by our standards, but I think that the sensational, attention grabbing phrase "Child Labour" in the headline is a misnomer.

If you want a really sensational story about videogame companies and real child slavery, then look into the Congolese Coltan mines, which supplied the Coltan for the PS2 (and similar products).

14 may be the age of sexual consent, but is it the age of legal adulthood?

Anyway, pretty bad by our standards is one hell of an understatement. 85 cents and hour AND the deduction of factory food? What does that leave them with? Some factory food and 10 cents?

Well it is still better than no food and no money. Whenever the media or other outlet say anything about Child labor there is a knee-jerk reaction that it is horrible and bad and that children should not be working. The problem is that if some of these children didn't work they wouldn't have money for food or clothes and some of them would have to turn to other means in order to stay alive. Basically, no one really thinks about the alternatives to what that child's life might be like had they not gotten that job.
In a way, I think, it is better for a 14 year old girl to be working at 85 cents an hour as opposed to say working the corner and I think that 14 year old boy would have much better chance working and making 10 cents an hour and going home with some factory food as opposed to living on the street or turning to crime just to get some food together.

Whats wrong with child labor? It's cheap so who cares?

Orezroivas:

danpascooch:

Jamash:
It's not really child labour though.

14 is a teenager, and it is also significant that the age of sexual consent in China is 14.

Although some people in the West may view their 14 year old teenagers as children, in China it's old enough to have sex and have a job.

If we think that employing 14 year olds in China is using "child" labour, and if we acknowledge that the age of consent is 14, then that must mean we think China is a Paedophile Nation, and why would we want to be doing business with a nation of paedophiles, regardless of their good or bad working conditions?

I agree that the working conditions appear to be pretty bad by our standards, but I think that the sensational, attention grabbing phrase "Child Labour" in the headline is a misnomer.

If you want a really sensational story about videogame companies and real child slavery, then look into the Congolese Coltan mines, which supplied the Coltan for the PS2 (and similar products).

14 may be the age of sexual consent, but is it the age of legal adulthood?

Anyway, pretty bad by our standards is one hell of an understatement. 85 cents and hour AND the deduction of factory food? What does that leave them with? Some factory food and 10 cents?

Well it is still better than no food and no money. Whenever the media or other outlet say anything about Child labor there is a knee-jerk reaction that it is horrible and bad and that children should not be working. The problem is that if some of these children didn't work they wouldn't have money for food or clothes and some of them would have to turn to other means in order to stay alive. Basically, no one really thinks about the alternatives to what that child's life might be like had they not gotten that job.
In a way, I think, it is better for a 14 year old girl to be working at 85 cents an hour as opposed to say working the corner and I think that 14 year old boy would have much better chance working and making 10 cents an hour and going home with some factory food as opposed to living on the street or turning to crime just to get some food together.

Yeah you're right, it's better than no food and no money, you know what, we should stop putting rapists in jail, because getting raped is better than getting murdered.

Corwynt:
Whats wrong with child labor? It's cheap so who cares?

The report states they are working 15 hour shifts, six or seven days a week

I hope you either were not being serious, or simply didn't notice that part.

danpascooch:

Orezroivas:

danpascooch:

Jamash:
It's not really child labour though.

14 is a teenager, and it is also significant that the age of sexual consent in China is 14.

Although some people in the West may view their 14 year old teenagers as children, in China it's old enough to have sex and have a job.

If we think that employing 14 year olds in China is using "child" labour, and if we acknowledge that the age of consent is 14, then that must mean we think China is a Paedophile Nation, and why would we want to be doing business with a nation of paedophiles, regardless of their good or bad working conditions?

I agree that the working conditions appear to be pretty bad by our standards, but I think that the sensational, attention grabbing phrase "Child Labour" in the headline is a misnomer.

If you want a really sensational story about videogame companies and real child slavery, then look into the Congolese Coltan mines, which supplied the Coltan for the PS2 (and similar products).

14 may be the age of sexual consent, but is it the age of legal adulthood?

Anyway, pretty bad by our standards is one hell of an understatement. 85 cents and hour AND the deduction of factory food? What does that leave them with? Some factory food and 10 cents?

Well it is still better than no food and no money. Whenever the media or other outlet say anything about Child labor there is a knee-jerk reaction that it is horrible and bad and that children should not be working. The problem is that if some of these children didn't work they wouldn't have money for food or clothes and some of them would have to turn to other means in order to stay alive. Basically, no one really thinks about the alternatives to what that child's life might be like had they not gotten that job.
In a way, I think, it is better for a 14 year old girl to be working at 85 cents an hour as opposed to say working the corner and I think that 14 year old boy would have much better chance working and making 10 cents an hour and going home with some factory food as opposed to living on the street or turning to crime just to get some food together.

Yeah you're right, it's better than no food and no money, you know what, we should stop putting rapists in jail, because getting raped is better than getting murdered.

What does rape and murder have anything to do with this? Taken for the sarcastic remark that it is, it seems that you think that no food or money is better than working for a piss-poor wage and still being able to eat.
In case I wasn't clear, I'm not saying that the conditions these kids have to work in are good or anything just saying that it is better than the alternative in some cases.

BrokenSanity:
Do they really expect to find anything wrong? It kind of defeats the purpose of an audit when you announce you are going to have one. It just gives those pricks time to hide the problem. At least they're making an effort though, which is more than can be said about other companies.

Exactly, they want the positive publicity. Thats why they're flaunting the good deed instead of handling it internally.

Orezroivas:

danpascooch:

Orezroivas:

danpascooch:

Jamash:
It's not really child labour though.

14 is a teenager, and it is also significant that the age of sexual consent in China is 14.

Although some people in the West may view their 14 year old teenagers as children, in China it's old enough to have sex and have a job.

If we think that employing 14 year olds in China is using "child" labour, and if we acknowledge that the age of consent is 14, then that must mean we think China is a Paedophile Nation, and why would we want to be doing business with a nation of paedophiles, regardless of their good or bad working conditions?

I agree that the working conditions appear to be pretty bad by our standards, but I think that the sensational, attention grabbing phrase "Child Labour" in the headline is a misnomer.

If you want a really sensational story about videogame companies and real child slavery, then look into the Congolese Coltan mines, which supplied the Coltan for the PS2 (and similar products).

14 may be the age of sexual consent, but is it the age of legal adulthood?

Anyway, pretty bad by our standards is one hell of an understatement. 85 cents and hour AND the deduction of factory food? What does that leave them with? Some factory food and 10 cents?

Well it is still better than no food and no money. Whenever the media or other outlet say anything about Child labor there is a knee-jerk reaction that it is horrible and bad and that children should not be working. The problem is that if some of these children didn't work they wouldn't have money for food or clothes and some of them would have to turn to other means in order to stay alive. Basically, no one really thinks about the alternatives to what that child's life might be like had they not gotten that job.
In a way, I think, it is better for a 14 year old girl to be working at 85 cents an hour as opposed to say working the corner and I think that 14 year old boy would have much better chance working and making 10 cents an hour and going home with some factory food as opposed to living on the street or turning to crime just to get some food together.

Yeah you're right, it's better than no food and no money, you know what, we should stop putting rapists in jail, because getting raped is better than getting murdered.

What does rape and murder have anything to do with this? Taken for the sarcastic remark that it is, it seems that you think that no food or money is better than working for a piss-poor wage and still being able to eat.
In case I wasn't clear, I'm not saying that the conditions these kids have to work in are good or anything just saying that it is better than the alternative in some cases.

I used rape and murder as an analogy to show how strange your argument is.

Of course there are worse alternatives, there always are, that doesn't mean it's ok, or even marginally justifiable.

Just like Murder is worse than rape, but that doesn't make rape ok

danpascooch:

Orezroivas:

danpascooch:

Jamash:
It's not really child labour though.

14 is a teenager, and it is also significant that the age of sexual consent in China is 14.

Although some people in the West may view their 14 year old teenagers as children, in China it's old enough to have sex and have a job.

If we think that employing 14 year olds in China is using "child" labour, and if we acknowledge that the age of consent is 14, then that must mean we think China is a Paedophile Nation, and why would we want to be doing business with a nation of paedophiles, regardless of their good or bad working conditions?

I agree that the working conditions appear to be pretty bad by our standards, but I think that the sensational, attention grabbing phrase "Child Labour" in the headline is a misnomer.

If you want a really sensational story about videogame companies and real child slavery, then look into the Congolese Coltan mines, which supplied the Coltan for the PS2 (and similar products).

14 may be the age of sexual consent, but is it the age of legal adulthood?

Anyway, pretty bad by our standards is one hell of an understatement. 85 cents and hour AND the deduction of factory food? What does that leave them with? Some factory food and 10 cents?

Well it is still better than no food and no money. Whenever the media or other outlet say anything about Child labor there is a knee-jerk reaction that it is horrible and bad and that children should not be working. The problem is that if some of these children didn't work they wouldn't have money for food or clothes and some of them would have to turn to other means in order to stay alive. Basically, no one really thinks about the alternatives to what that child's life might be like had they not gotten that job.
In a way, I think, it is better for a 14 year old girl to be working at 85 cents an hour as opposed to say working the corner and I think that 14 year old boy would have much better chance working and making 10 cents an hour and going home with some factory food as opposed to living on the street or turning to crime just to get some food together.

Yeah you're right, it's better than no food and no money, you know what, we should stop putting rapists in jail, because getting raped is better than getting murdered.

How can you possibly compare his point to murder and raping ??
You clearly haven't had a look around the news lately. PEOPLE ARE STARVING.
A shit job in a factory is always better than starving ore turning to prostitution ore crime.

EDIT: And nobody is stating these conditions are ok.

Go on:

danpascooch:

Orezroivas:

danpascooch:

Jamash:
It's not really child labour though.

14 is a teenager, and it is also significant that the age of sexual consent in China is 14.

Although some people in the West may view their 14 year old teenagers as children, in China it's old enough to have sex and have a job.

If we think that employing 14 year olds in China is using "child" labour, and if we acknowledge that the age of consent is 14, then that must mean we think China is a Paedophile Nation, and why would we want to be doing business with a nation of paedophiles, regardless of their good or bad working conditions?

I agree that the working conditions appear to be pretty bad by our standards, but I think that the sensational, attention grabbing phrase "Child Labour" in the headline is a misnomer.

If you want a really sensational story about videogame companies and real child slavery, then look into the Congolese Coltan mines, which supplied the Coltan for the PS2 (and similar products).

14 may be the age of sexual consent, but is it the age of legal adulthood?

Anyway, pretty bad by our standards is one hell of an understatement. 85 cents and hour AND the deduction of factory food? What does that leave them with? Some factory food and 10 cents?

Well it is still better than no food and no money. Whenever the media or other outlet say anything about Child labor there is a knee-jerk reaction that it is horrible and bad and that children should not be working. The problem is that if some of these children didn't work they wouldn't have money for food or clothes and some of them would have to turn to other means in order to stay alive. Basically, no one really thinks about the alternatives to what that child's life might be like had they not gotten that job.
In a way, I think, it is better for a 14 year old girl to be working at 85 cents an hour as opposed to say working the corner and I think that 14 year old boy would have much better chance working and making 10 cents an hour and going home with some factory food as opposed to living on the street or turning to crime just to get some food together.

Yeah you're right, it's better than no food and no money, you know what, we should stop putting rapists in jail, because getting raped is better than getting murdered.

How can you possibly compare his point to murder and raping ??
You clearly haven't had a look around the news lately. PEOPLE ARE STARVING.
A shit job in a factory is always better than starving ore turning to prostitution ore crime.

EDIT: And nobody is stating these conditions are ok.

actually the guy saying its better then, is basically saying its okay. It doesn't matter if its better then death, it isn't right. They should be punished and not able to get away with it just because its not the worst it could be. Yea the rapist to murder is a parallel to his near slave labor better then prostitution.

psrdirector:

Go on:

danpascooch:

Orezroivas:

danpascooch:

Jamash:
It's not really child labour though.

14 is a teenager, and it is also significant that the age of sexual consent in China is 14.

Although some people in the West may view their 14 year old teenagers as children, in China it's old enough to have sex and have a job.

If we think that employing 14 year olds in China is using "child" labour, and if we acknowledge that the age of consent is 14, then that must mean we think China is a Paedophile Nation, and why would we want to be doing business with a nation of paedophiles, regardless of their good or bad working conditions?

I agree that the working conditions appear to be pretty bad by our standards, but I think that the sensational, attention grabbing phrase "Child Labour" in the headline is a misnomer.

If you want a really sensational story about videogame companies and real child slavery, then look into the Congolese Coltan mines, which supplied the Coltan for the PS2 (and similar products).

14 may be the age of sexual consent, but is it the age of legal adulthood?

Anyway, pretty bad by our standards is one hell of an understatement. 85 cents and hour AND the deduction of factory food? What does that leave them with? Some factory food and 10 cents?

Well it is still better than no food and no money. Whenever the media or other outlet say anything about Child labor there is a knee-jerk reaction that it is horrible and bad and that children should not be working. The problem is that if some of these children didn't work they wouldn't have money for food or clothes and some of them would have to turn to other means in order to stay alive. Basically, no one really thinks about the alternatives to what that child's life might be like had they not gotten that job.
In a way, I think, it is better for a 14 year old girl to be working at 85 cents an hour as opposed to say working the corner and I think that 14 year old boy would have much better chance working and making 10 cents an hour and going home with some factory food as opposed to living on the street or turning to crime just to get some food together.

Yeah you're right, it's better than no food and no money, you know what, we should stop putting rapists in jail, because getting raped is better than getting murdered.

How can you possibly compare his point to murder and raping ??
You clearly haven't had a look around the news lately. PEOPLE ARE STARVING.
A shit job in a factory is always better than starving ore turning to prostitution ore crime.

EDIT: And nobody is stating these conditions are ok.

actually the guy saying its better then, is basically saying its okay. It doesn't matter if its better then death, it isn't right. They should be punished and not able to get away with it just because its not the worst it could be. Yea the rapist to murder is a parallel to his near slave labor better then prostitution.

I'm not saying that what they are doing is right or that it is okay. It is terrible and the employers should be held accountable for their actions. Therein lies a problem though and one that doesn't seem to have a positive solution.
The problems are that if you do hold the employers accountable and make them pay then several things will happen that just exacerbates the situation. The employer could go out of business from having to pay better wages, the children get fired and end up on the street, the older employees get fired for the cheaper and younger employees causing them to work even longer hours, and several more outcomes that aren't any better.
Before anyone calls me out on it I know that all these are just speculations but really I do not see any real positive outcome for making the employers accountable.

As for the rape v murder thing, don't trivialize them like that both are terrible and horrible crimes and the perpetrator must be punished. The problem in this case isn't killing someone or forcing yourself on someone for some sick twisted thrill. The problem in this case is human greed. It is greed that keeps people from better wages and it is greed that forces children to work in the first place.

A lot of the workers sort of choose to go there. Sure, they don't think the conditions are ideal either, but the important thing to them is just getting some money for themselves/to their parents. I don't think these issues will stop anytime soon.

Orezroivas:

psrdirector:

Go on:

danpascooch:

Orezroivas:

danpascooch:

Jamash:
It's not really child labour though.

14 is a teenager, and it is also significant that the age of sexual consent in China is 14.

Although some people in the West may view their 14 year old teenagers as children, in China it's old enough to have sex and have a job.

If we think that employing 14 year olds in China is using "child" labour, and if we acknowledge that the age of consent is 14, then that must mean we think China is a Paedophile Nation, and why would we want to be doing business with a nation of paedophiles, regardless of their good or bad working conditions?

I agree that the working conditions appear to be pretty bad by our standards, but I think that the sensational, attention grabbing phrase "Child Labour" in the headline is a misnomer.

If you want a really sensational story about videogame companies and real child slavery, then look into the Congolese Coltan mines, which supplied the Coltan for the PS2 (and similar products).

14 may be the age of sexual consent, but is it the age of legal adulthood?

Anyway, pretty bad by our standards is one hell of an understatement. 85 cents and hour AND the deduction of factory food? What does that leave them with? Some factory food and 10 cents?

Well it is still better than no food and no money. Whenever the media or other outlet say anything about Child labor there is a knee-jerk reaction that it is horrible and bad and that children should not be working. The problem is that if some of these children didn't work they wouldn't have money for food or clothes and some of them would have to turn to other means in order to stay alive. Basically, no one really thinks about the alternatives to what that child's life might be like had they not gotten that job.
In a way, I think, it is better for a 14 year old girl to be working at 85 cents an hour as opposed to say working the corner and I think that 14 year old boy would have much better chance working and making 10 cents an hour and going home with some factory food as opposed to living on the street or turning to crime just to get some food together.

Yeah you're right, it's better than no food and no money, you know what, we should stop putting rapists in jail, because getting raped is better than getting murdered.

How can you possibly compare his point to murder and raping ??
You clearly haven't had a look around the news lately. PEOPLE ARE STARVING.
A shit job in a factory is always better than starving ore turning to prostitution ore crime.

EDIT: And nobody is stating these conditions are ok.

actually the guy saying its better then, is basically saying its okay. It doesn't matter if its better then death, it isn't right. They should be punished and not able to get away with it just because its not the worst it could be. Yea the rapist to murder is a parallel to his near slave labor better then prostitution.

I'm not saying that what they are doing is right or that it is okay. It is terrible and the employers should be held accountable for their actions. Therein lies a problem though and one that doesn't seem to have a positive solution.
The problems are that if you do hold the employers accountable and make them pay then several things will happen that just exacerbates the situation. The employer could go out of business from having to pay better wages, the children get fired and end up on the street, the older employees get fired for the cheaper and younger employees causing them to work even longer hours, and several more outcomes that aren't any better.
Before anyone calls me out on it I know that all these are just speculations but really I do not see any real positive outcome for making the employers accountable.

As for the rape v murder thing, don't trivialize them like that both are terrible and horrible crimes and the perpetrator must be punished. The problem in this case isn't killing someone or forcing yourself on someone for some sick twisted thrill. The problem in this case is human greed. It is greed that keeps people from better wages and it is greed that forces children to work in the first place.

People like you are supporters of things like this, by saying dont rock the boat or things will get worse you are stamping your approval, you coudlnt support it any mroe if you were over there cheering them on. Allowing something to happen with out challange is granting it your approval

Chairman Mao is spinning in his grave.

(not that Communism is completely alien to the idea of exploiting and over-working people... just not for a foreign electronics entertainment company)

Magnalian:
A lot of the workers sort of choose to go there. Sure, they don't think the conditions are ideal either, but the important thing to them is just getting some money for themselves/to their parents. I don't think these issues will stop anytime soon.

Consent doesn't change the crime. The very fact that they are children means their consent is quite irrelevant as their immaturity leaves them so open to exploitation.

Treblaine:

Magnalian:
A lot of the workers sort of choose to go there. Sure, they don't think the conditions are ideal either, but the important thing to them is just getting some money for themselves/to their parents. I don't think these issues will stop anytime soon.

Consent doesn't change the crime. The very fact that they are children means their consent is quite irrelevant as their immaturity leaves them so open to exploitation.

I know their consent doesn't mean it's not a crime, all I'm saying is it's going to take more than giving these companies a slap on the wrist before it stops happening.

psrdirector:

Orezroivas:

psrdirector:

Go on:

danpascooch:

Orezroivas:

danpascooch:

Jamash:
It's not really child labour though.

14 is a teenager, and it is also significant that the age of sexual consent in China is 14.

Although some people in the West may view their 14 year old teenagers as children, in China it's old enough to have sex and have a job.

If we think that employing 14 year olds in China is using "child" labour, and if we acknowledge that the age of consent is 14, then that must mean we think China is a Paedophile Nation, and why would we want to be doing business with a nation of paedophiles, regardless of their good or bad working conditions?

I agree that the working conditions appear to be pretty bad by our standards, but I think that the sensational, attention grabbing phrase "Child Labour" in the headline is a misnomer.

If you want a really sensational story about videogame companies and real child slavery, then look into the Congolese Coltan mines, which supplied the Coltan for the PS2 (and similar products).

14 may be the age of sexual consent, but is it the age of legal adulthood?

Anyway, pretty bad by our standards is one hell of an understatement. 85 cents and hour AND the deduction of factory food? What does that leave them with? Some factory food and 10 cents?

Well it is still better than no food and no money. Whenever the media or other outlet say anything about Child labor there is a knee-jerk reaction that it is horrible and bad and that children should not be working. The problem is that if some of these children didn't work they wouldn't have money for food or clothes and some of them would have to turn to other means in order to stay alive. Basically, no one really thinks about the alternatives to what that child's life might be like had they not gotten that job.
In a way, I think, it is better for a 14 year old girl to be working at 85 cents an hour as opposed to say working the corner and I think that 14 year old boy would have much better chance working and making 10 cents an hour and going home with some factory food as opposed to living on the street or turning to crime just to get some food together.

Yeah you're right, it's better than no food and no money, you know what, we should stop putting rapists in jail, because getting raped is better than getting murdered.

How can you possibly compare his point to murder and raping ??
You clearly haven't had a look around the news lately. PEOPLE ARE STARVING.
A shit job in a factory is always better than starving ore turning to prostitution ore crime.

EDIT: And nobody is stating these conditions are ok.

actually the guy saying its better then, is basically saying its okay. It doesn't matter if its better then death, it isn't right. They should be punished and not able to get away with it just because its not the worst it could be. Yea the rapist to murder is a parallel to his near slave labor better then prostitution.

I'm not saying that what they are doing is right or that it is okay. It is terrible and the employers should be held accountable for their actions. Therein lies a problem though and one that doesn't seem to have a positive solution.
The problems are that if you do hold the employers accountable and make them pay then several things will happen that just exacerbates the situation. The employer could go out of business from having to pay better wages, the children get fired and end up on the street, the older employees get fired for the cheaper and younger employees causing them to work even longer hours, and several more outcomes that aren't any better.
Before anyone calls me out on it I know that all these are just speculations but really I do not see any real positive outcome for making the employers accountable.

As for the rape v murder thing, don't trivialize them like that both are terrible and horrible crimes and the perpetrator must be punished. The problem in this case isn't killing someone or forcing yourself on someone for some sick twisted thrill. The problem in this case is human greed. It is greed that keeps people from better wages and it is greed that forces children to work in the first place.

People like you are supporters of things like this, by saying dont rock the boat or things will get worse you are stamping your approval, you coudlnt support it any mroe if you were over there cheering them on. Allowing something to happen with out challange is granting it your approval

Sigh My brain is beginning to hurt.
Okay, let me reiterate for the third time now. I do not support what is going on. I do not support what these employers are doing to their employees. It is fine and good to challenge things and it should be done, but this kind of knee-jerk reaction without thinking of the bigger picture can cause so many problems. So there is a challenge for you: solve the problems I laid out. What will you do after these kids have lost their jobs and are starving? How will you help them?
It is all well in good to punish the employers for what they have done, but do you really think that after you punish them that everything will be fine again? That everything will suddenly become justified and that there are no repercussions for someone else?

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