Microsoft Looks to Kinect to Extend 360 Lifespan

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Microsoft Looks to Kinect to Extend 360 Lifespan

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Microsoft says the launch of Kinect and the redesigned Xbox 360 will help ensure that the console will be around for "at least another five years."

The Xbox 360 has already been around for five years, which is roughly the same amount of time its predecessor, the original Xbox, was on the market before the 360 made its debut. The span between the launches of the PlayStation 2 and PlayStation 3 was similar. But Microsoft is apparently expecting a lot more from this console, as Chris Lewis, Microsoft EMEA's vice president of interactive entertainment business, said the addition of the Kinect motion controller will help power the system through another half-decade.

"I think 2010 will be a very big year for us, it is in many ways for us mid-lifecycle," he told GamesIndustry. "What you've seen is with this new sleek design and Kinect for Xbox 360 we've got at least another five years of this generation where we continue to offer great experiences for people."

"Our business ambition for this financial year, which begins on July 1, is certainly bigger than last year and we constantly set ourselves ambitious targets," he added. "[Senior Vice President of Interactive Entertainment Business] Don Mattrick is not shy about aggressive targets for Europe because he now knows we've got the right assets, now more than ever, to really appeal to our audience."

Of course, Microsoft has been saying that the 360 will have a "long tail" for at least two years, prompted in part, I'm sure, by Sony's assertions that the PS3 has a planned ten-year lifespan. With or without Kinect, five more years doesn't seem like such a dubious proposition at this point.

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Huh.

In one way, I'm sort of happy because I'm kind of sick of this constant march for "bigger and better". I think given more time, devs can really utilize the full potential of the console/Computer hardware, rather than have to relearn everything for each new generation.

On the other hand, it's Kinect, which has provided me no evidence that it's anything more than a gimmick, and a derivative one at that. (I refer to its lineup, which is basically the Wii lineup all over again)

So time will tell.

Are they really THAT worried about the 360 becoming obsolete already? How long was the PS2 around and how long did people continue to play their PS2s after the PS3 was released? I still play mine to this day. People would still be playing their Xbox's except the 360 actually has backward compatability(Hint hint, you sony bastards).

I think Microsoft is stressing over this more than they need to.

Well it means I have to wait longer before forking out £300 + for a new console... I find myself okay with this. I still think that kinect has potential and more xbox is just win all round. :D

5 years seems to be a bit to long, I would like a "improvement" in about 3 years from now.

I still can't figure out how I'm going to play 90% of the games I enjoy with Kinect so... yeah, another 5 years? We'll see.

I'm excited for the opportunities Kinect will provide for casual and hard-core gamers alike, and I hope they are right when it comes to the life-span of the system. The long we have the 360 (And the PS3 and Wii, for that matter), the more and more that Devs will be able to get more and more out of the console. Both Move and Kinect will add a bit of flavor to the Devs to tinker with and help increase the longevity of both systems, and that's great news for owners of these consoles!

The new 360 box is tight, however they need to allow HD choice rather than being locked into MSs overpriced addons.

Also the xbox controller is still crap, they need bluetooth so you can use a ps3 controller with it.

Furburt:
Huh.

In one way, I'm sort of happy because I'm kind of sick of this constant march for "bigger and better". I think given more time, devs can really utilize the full potential of the console/Computer hardware, rather than have to relearn everything for each new generation.

On the other hand, it's Kinect, which has provided me no evidence that it's anything more than a gimmick, and a derivative one at that. (I refer to its lineup, which is basically the Wii lineup all over again)

So time will tell.

I agree. Although even if it is a gimmick, as long as it's a money-making gimmick, that'll keep the execs/investors/etc happy which will keep the system alive. If it totally flops, that 5 year estimate will probably become 2-3 years in reality.

ShadowKatt:
Are they really THAT worried about the 360 becoming obsolete already? How long was the PS2 around and how long did people continue to play their PS2s after the PS3 was released?

Is the PS2 actually dead? As in, they stopped making games for it?

I'd say it's wishful thinking. Motion controls get a lot of scorn from the gaming community in general. Nor would I personally fork out the cost of a kinect after buying the console.

Andy Chalk:
Microsoft says the launch of Kinect and the redesigned Xbox 360 will help ensure that the console will be around for "at least another five years."

Five years of half baked party games?

ShadowKatt:
Are they really THAT worried about the 360 becoming obsolete already? How long was the PS2 around and how long did people continue to play their PS2s after the PS3 was released? I still play mine to this day. People would still be playing their Xbox's except the 360 actually has backward compatability(Hint hint, you sony bastards).

I think Microsoft is stressing over this more than they need to.

Well, we're seeing bigger and bigger games every year. You already have 3 dvd games on x360, and knowing Kojima, MGS:R might hit the 4th DVD mark, unless they compress the video and audio extremely like FFXIII, which had close to 1/3rd of the vertical resolution of cinematics compared with PS3, and still came in 3 dvds.

So yes, Microsoft should start worrying about their console becoming obsolete, specially because not all of them have hard drives, so install has to remain optional, and disc swapping on modern games sucks (Star Ocean was a good example, you could have to swap discs up to 2-3 times per hour on endgame.

DeadlyYellow:

ShadowKatt:
Are they really THAT worried about the 360 becoming obsolete already? How long was the PS2 around and how long did people continue to play their PS2s after the PS3 was released?

Is the PS2 actually dead? As in, they stopped making games for it?

I'd say it's wishful thinking. Motion controls get a lot of scorn from the gaming community in general. Nor would I personally fork out the cost of a kinect after buying the console.

PS2 is still playable. Heck, I'm playing Persona 4 the second time as we speak. It's still the most popular console, it was sold in twice the number of Xbox 360 and PS3 consoles put together.

Belladonnah:

ShadowKatt:
Are they really THAT worried about the 360 becoming obsolete already? How long was the PS2 around and how long did people continue to play their PS2s after the PS3 was released? I still play mine to this day. People would still be playing their Xbox's except the 360 actually has backward compatability(Hint hint, you sony bastards).

I think Microsoft is stressing over this more than they need to.

Well, we're seeing bigger and bigger games every year. You already have 3 dvd games on x360, and knowing Kojima, MGS:R might hit the 4th DVD mark, unless they compress the video and audio extremely like FFXIII, which had close to 1/3rd of the vertical resolution of cinematics compared with PS3, and still came in 3 dvds.

So yes, Microsoft should start worrying about their console becoming obsolete, specially because not all of them have hard drives, so install has to remain optional, and disc swapping on modern games sucks (Star Ocean was a good example, you could have to swap discs up to 2-3 times per hour on endgame.

Well, I didn't know all that. I thought they all came with hard drives and I knew about the games with multiple discs, but not everyone is going to have a blu-ray player in their machine(yet). Still, I would have swore that Microsoft had solved their problems with the money vacuum that the 360 was. Apparently I am misinformed.

That's good to a point I suppose.

I love the 360, its worked wonders for me and my brother for a good 3 years and to hear that I don't have to replace it for another 5 years is a great relief on both me and my wallet.

On the downside, I'm not really looking forward to Kinect. I barely tolerate the Wii's motion controls and I'm not all that interested in playing the same thing on my Xbox.

Stabby Joe:

Andy Chalk:
Microsoft says the launch of Kinect and the redesigned Xbox 360 will help ensure that the console will be around for "at least another five years."

Five years of half baked party games?

Haha, my thoughts exactly. Kinect may be cool and all, but it won't redefine the way people play games. Good luck getting those 5 years, micro$oft.

The problem is what if people dont buy it? Then what? as right now im really not encouraged to purchase it...I like my controller just fine

Furburt:

On the other hand, it's Kinect, which has provided me no evidence that it's anything more than a gimmick, and a derivative one at that. (I refer to its lineup, which is basically the Wii lineup all over again)

True. But with at least 5 years of Kinetic, a decent developer might be able to make something of the motion controls, gimmicky as they may be. That said, the Wii's been around for almost 4 years now, and I don't they've tapped the full potential of its motion control capabilities yet.

So as you said, time will tell.

I think the 360 still has plenty of life, especially with the Slim making it more affordable, but if anything I think Kinect is only going to hurt it.

latenightapplepie:

Furburt:

On the other hand, it's Kinect, which has provided me no evidence that it's anything more than a gimmick, and a derivative one at that. (I refer to its lineup, which is basically the Wii lineup all over again)

True. But with at least 5 years of Kinetic, a decent developer might be able to make something of the motion controls, gimmicky as they may be. That said, the Wii's been around for almost 4 years now, and I don't they've tapped the full potential of its motion control capabilities yet.

So as you said, time will tell.

Yeah but it's not like they've been studying "how can we tap this" and are just about to hit a breakthrough!

Many of the launch titles for the Wii were amazing, but then after about a month they got boring, and barely any great titles came out after that, face it, they just aren't making the great high budget games because gimmicky games can be made cheap and yield profit because of the motion controls.

5 years? Not unless they bring out a completely revamped co... That'd be a new console.

The 360 likely has some untapped potential, but I can't see it lasting five more years. I honestly think Microsoft will buckle first when it comes to the new generation, just as they did this generation. Games are getting too big for DVDs and if MS don't do something (Optional disc reader or something) then they're going to be left behind.

Well, they have reached a plattow for graphics, you can't really make it look that much better, any improvements are in control or the inside tech, and that can just be added with new controllers or downloads. The kinect isn't going to do much to change that fact.

If they want to keep it going for another 5 years, I'm fine with that. It means that I don't have to buy a new console for about £300 for a while. Although in those 5 years I hope they pass the Kinect gimmick stage, where every game is just an example of "woo look at me! I'm controlling the game with my body!", because that WILL get old very fast. In fact, I think its already too old.

I don't think I'll buy Kinect, but it will be nice to not have to buy a new console anytime soon with tons of new games

ShadowKatt:
Are they really THAT worried about the 360 becoming obsolete already? How long was the PS2 around and how long did people continue to play their PS2s after the PS3 was released? I still play mine to this day. People would still be playing their Xbox's except the 360 actually has backward compatability(Hint hint, you sony bastards).

I think Microsoft is stressing over this more than they need to.

God I wish I didn't sell my PS2.

Another 5 years is fine. There'll be a new console overlapping that. Just like the Xbox overlapped the Xbox 360 by a year or so.

I think that they've spent so much money investing in a new slim design and the Kinect technology that they can't afford to develop a whole new console inside a 5 year timeline. I've heard that Microsoft is losing money on the gaming front. Personally I don't see how, but who knows. Anyway, I think that investing the (probable) millions of dollars into Kinect was probably a bad move.

The nextgen consoles will come out 2012-2013. They're all pretending they're going to try to last 10 years so they can beat the competition to market. SEGA recognised this which is why they're taking another stab at developing a console.

Move & Kinect will at best be modest successes, no expensive add-on for a console has ever been succesful (SEGA CD, 32x, 64DD, 360 HD-DVD - hey I bought one). It creates a niche in the userbase, which is going to limit sales, the way to get round this is to developp software aimed at this niche as cheaply as possible - say hello to mountains of shovelware. I think Microsoft and Sony should have waited till the next gen to implement this stuff into consoles themselves.

Good which means i dont have to waste money on new consoles and a whole new set of games!

This is the middle of the 360's life? Really? All the consoles had outdated performance the day they came out, and they're going to drag on the poor performance for even longer...Games could be so much more than they are today if the PC was focused on. I guess that's what I get for having a computer that doesn't even sweat playing crysis... :(

As long as they keep coming out with good games then I'm good with sticking with the 360 and PS3. Not like I'm really anxious to spend 400 dollars on a new console at the moment anyways.

Seriously, this generation is here to stay for awhile. The cost of producing such superior games AAA+ titles is just something above this world. Millions and millions of dollars are being used to create our games and dev's are getting used to this hardware so much they are actually cranking more and more beautiful looking games despite saying "Hardware" is becoming old.

It's all about balance, when the balance is good, a console can rock on for ages, thus my imaginiation spoke.

I am kidding of course, but this generation is about "Software". I don't see five years as something not plausible.

forget kinect, ill play my 360 for 5 years anyway.

Furburt:
Huh.

In one way, I'm sort of happy because I'm kind of sick of this constant march for "bigger and better". I think given more time, devs can really utilize the full potential of the console/Computer hardware, rather than have to relearn everything for each new generation.

On the other hand, it's Kinect, which has provided me no evidence that it's anything more than a gimmick, and a derivative one at that. (I refer to its lineup, which is basically the Wii lineup all over again)

So time will tell.

They're both derivative. Not just in lineup for Kinect, though.

Kinect is a better version of Sony's own Eyetoy. And Move is a better version of the Wii.

Future of gaming, indeed...

Another five years? On what? I wish Microsoft would focus on developing more IPs in house. New peripherals aren't the way to go. Talk about missing the point.

I have no intention of buying it until quality (read: non mini-game collections) are being pumped out. I recently saw 15 launch titles for the kinect, I was not impressed.
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/109/1097139p1.html
Though I know Fable 3 is supposed to support kinect but I'm keeping my optimism reserved.

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