I-Dosing: Getting High With Digital Drugs

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Furburt:

Enemy Of The State:

Furburt:

Incidentally, if anyone wants to get an actual hardcore drug experience perfectly legally, I'd suggest trying item number 4 on this Cracked article. Tis quite the experience.

Does it really work?

Yep. Give it about 30 minutes or so and your brain begins to fill in the gaps. Believe me though, it's quite intense, so beware.

How intense? Any ill effects?

I seriously despair of the human race sometimes...

Enemy Of The State:

How intense? Any ill effects?

No physical ill effects, but just remember, you're taking a trip into your own mind, essentially. If you're in a good mood, and in a place you feel comfortable, then it's fine, but if you're in a bad mood, or feel any negative emotions, then it'll sort of exaggerate those emotions.

It's pretty much the same with all hallucinogens. It's called the "Set and Setting", where you are, and what you feel. So just make sure you do it when you're in a good mood, basically.

Furburt:

Enemy Of The State:

How intense? Any ill effects?

No physical ill effects, but just remember, you're taking a trip into your own mind, essentially. If you're in a good mood, and in a place you feel comfortable, then it's fine, but if you're in a bad mood, or feel any negative emotions, then it'll sort of exaggerate those emotions.

It's pretty much the same with all hallucinogens. It's called the "Set and Setting", where you are, and what you feel. So just make sure you do it when you're in a good mood, basically.

OK, got it.

Good mood = good trip
Negative emotions = Don't do it

Thanks for the advice :)

That...doesn't really sound pleasurable at all. Even if I did lie down to listen to it, I would probably rip the headphones off me in a few seconds due to how obnoxious that thing sounds.

But really, even if it does have some effect in certain conditions, why would you even bother listening to it? I'd rather listen to some good music, since that is at least bound to be pleasing to the mind and motivate you...like The Winner (although, obviously, people have different tastes):

I can't sleep at nights due to this menace.

Not the i-drugs - hell, we had those back in the day by listening to BBC/Spectrum loading - but that there are actually legislators out there that are that stupid gullible.

I mean, seriously, if you "knew" that there were these "drugs" that "had effects" on "children"; wouldn't you at least - I dunno - GOOGLE it?

But these are the people WE have put in charge? Feck all this talk about gamers being a bad influence on society - most of us don't have any real power.

THESE guys are the terror that keeps me awake at night.

HA! This is the same audio style that self-help autohypnosis tapes use.

Which is to say, completely worthless.

Okay. For the uninitiated, a quick overview of binaural beats:

It's been known for a long time that the brain reaches certain wavelengths during sleep, meditation, creative exercise, etc. Attempts to induce these states with sound have failed because these wavelengths (usually around the 2-14Hz range) are far too low to be detected by the human ear.

However, the brain does a peculiar thing when the ears hear two different frequencies- if the difference between the frequencies is small enough, the brain will perceive it as a third "sound" at that frequency (i.e. right ear hears 500Hz, left ear hears 520Hz; the brain perceives a 20Hz "sound"). Theoretically this perceived sound can be used to "entrain" the brain into reaching that wavelength without lengthy meditation sessions.

This "drug sound" is basically a binaural beat which creats a perceived sound that triggers a state of euphoria, sort of like becoming intoxicated by certain drugs. While that in itself isn't nearly as dangerous- real drugs have severe side-effects on the body, and generally build up a resistance so that higher doses are needed for the same high, while binaural beats aren't known to do so- entraining the brain to a frequency whose full effects and consequences aren't known might have its own set of dangers.

Of course, there's people who say this is all a placebo effect and that binaural beats don't do anything to the brain. Personal experience says otherwise- I've entered trance-like states off of binaural recordings before.

(You also don't have to worry about someone doing a "drive-by i-dosing" on you- the sound has to be in stereo and you have to be in a relaxed and open state of mind for it to do anything more than annoy the heck out of you.)

I tried it, didn't work on me... damn.

I think people in the government will not be satisfied until everything is illegal.

I hate to point it out (I'm lying, I actually love pointing stuff like this out) but listening to any music will effect your mental state. It encourages the releasing of endorphins, can stabilise people's derotonin levels. There's a very good reason they recommend playing classical music to babies in the womb, along with using musical therapy to treat severe drug trip flashbacks.

I mean seriously, it's just common sense. Listen to something heavy and dark when you're in a bad mood and it reinforces your bad mood, listen to something soothing and light while you're working and your productivity increases. This sort of thing has been researched and investigated for years.

It's partly a placebo effect of course, since you listen to this music expecting drug-like effects, but really it's just someone who stumbled across the correct mixture of tones and sounds which provoke a major release of endorphins.

So yeah, I'm with the hysterical parents, we should ban all mood-altering chemicals that the brain produces naturally. We need to outlaw happines, sadness, love, hate, joy, anger. Yep, nothing more dangerous than human emotions.

Lol, this got to be the worst "drug" ever? Where does Oklahoma get all this stuff from?

Thats no drug, thats just crappy noise that hurts my ears... I only listened to the first 3 minutes but still... Maybe I'll d/l it and try it again later, while lying down and all that... But I'd much rather go smoke a j-[/post]

Enemy Of The State:

Furburt:

Enemy Of The State:

How intense? Any ill effects?

No physical ill effects, but just remember, you're taking a trip into your own mind, essentially. If you're in a good mood, and in a place you feel comfortable, then it's fine, but if you're in a bad mood, or feel any negative emotions, then it'll sort of exaggerate those emotions.

It's pretty much the same with all hallucinogens. It's called the "Set and Setting", where you are, and what you feel. So just make sure you do it when you're in a good mood, basically.

OK, got it.

Good mood = good trip
Negative emotions = Don't do it

Thanks for the advice :)

I will also say from personal experience:

Don't do this if you have bipolar disorder or obsessive compulsive disorder, because no matter what your mental state going in, you will fuck yourself up eventually, because the manic half of bipolar disorder depends on sensory experiences, whereas the depressive side can be brought out by a lack of stimulation. Effectively if you have bi- or unipolar depression this is a one shot straight to giving yourself a week of suicidal tendencies.

If you also happen to have OCD, sensory deprivation will aggravate it, and you will end up obssessing in your head about things, which (as anyone who suffers from it will know) makes it worse.

I can't speak from personal experience for any other mental conditions, but I would imagine that schizophrenia is not enhanced by sensory deprivation either.

Until someone explains the scientific process of how you get high by listening to music, I'm calling bull.

EDIT: Actually, after listening to the noise and watching a few reaction videos I think I get it. I've experienced the same thing a few times when I'm falling asleep while listening to my iPod. While I'm half asleep and hear the music it seems kind of weird. However, I'm not high, I'm just drowsy. These kids are getting "being tired" confused with "being high".

TWEWER:
Until someone explains the scientific process of how you get high by listening to music, I'm calling bull.

You want an explanation? Here you go:
Whenever you eat food, have sex, take drugs, etc., it releases dopamine to chemoreceptors in the brain -- that's what makes you feel good and happy. When you take drugs, though, you are blocking the re-uptake of said dopamine. If you can't remove those molecules of dopamine from the chemoreceptors, you feel happy for a lot longer. Certain frequencies can trigger similar effects in the brain (that is, keeping the dopamine locked into the chemoreceptors). Hence, using music as a drug.

Noklahoma will now block all forms of music (except rap, which is quite the opposite of how the laws should be working!). Why? Well, because when I listen to classical music, I find it soothing. It helps me relax and makes me feel good. Therefore, by Dorklahoma's reasoning, classical music is a drug.

I will bet you Five I-drug dollars that the kids WERE high when listening to that crap. I listened to a bit before YouTube stopped, and the only thing I noticed was some eye movement, like REM but awake. I guess if you're high, that would be awesome? I don't know.

Every time I think we have hit the top of the stupid meter someone finds a way to take us further...

Is this the state of Oklahoma? In the U.S.? If so, I need to go burn down a building..

Seriously? It's fucking soundwaves! Over 60% of those things don't even work!

I honestly hate the fact that our state constantly has to re-iterate the whole "We're here, and we're dumb!" thing..

I hate to be that guy but this topic is ancient.

Christ, how could anyone listen to that Gate of Hades crap? It didn't get me high, but that loud buzzing sound sure was freaking annoying.

So... yeah.. clicked the link... uh huh. That's noise.

Oh, it'll be one fuck of an amusing day when people start pirating drugs.... just imagine all teh e-peddlers trying to crack down on pirate bay because people keep seeding their particular dose.

coldfrog:
Hey... Want to try a little Snow Crash? It's the newest thing, just look at this image, it'll get you high... trust me...

aww, you beat me to it :P

Even if this thing DID get people high, what would the negative effects be? They don't seem to understand that it isn't the high of the drug itself that causes problems, but the other substances in the drug. If there was a drug that had no side-effects and got you high, that'd be a pretty damn GOOD thing in my book.

Still, the sound is just really fucking obnoxious.

I've got very limited experience with I-Doser. I've become obsessed with reading about peoples' Gates of Hades experiences, but I'm too pussy to try it for myself.

A while back when I was flying high on some mediocre green, I decided to try MarijuanaQH (quick hit) while browsing my favorite imageboard. At first, everything started rippling quite awesomely, but then the heavy stuff started playing... it was like being held under an alien scanner, mechanical eyes probing into your very soul... the specimen is unworthy. Discard the flesh.

Needless to say, I took my headphones right the fuck off and never tried anything else. I may try a different one tonight, just for shits and giggles.

Andy Chalk:
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You know that if this is made illegal, you and the Escapist could be tried as dealers?

drdamo:

nofear220:
I cant believe Im going to listen to the whole 9 mins of this. Six minutes in and still absolutely nothing, I think people are just hoping so hard to get high off of it that they trick themselves into feeling it.

Try not to expect anything, it will only hurt your brain and make the music/sound as annoying as you expect it to be. The key is to accept what is coming, without making expectations. Otherwise you'll only disappoint yourself. And yes, i know it sounds like new-age-hippie-bullcrap, but you need patience for this. If you want guarantees and fast & easy service like MacDonalds, go buy and use the real deal.

If I did want to I would buy some, but Id rather be drunk.

Ok, this is fucking stupid.

Maybe its because im high off my ass anyhow or because the last 3 years of indulging in drugs have built up my tolerance to mind-altering substances (or MP3s for that matter), but I didnt feel shit.

Kpt._Rob:
Sometimes I'm ashamed to live in Oklahoma... What am I talking about? All the time I'm ashamed to live in Oklahoma.

I'm right there with you...
As a student over in Stillwater, this makes me truly... disappointed with my state, the state's bureaus, and with News 9. I respected them - well, maybe just Gary England. Oh well, what can we do? Go on with the fact that everyone thinks we're hicks (well, not as bad as Arkansas, I don't date my sister or anything...), I guess.

Semuta! (no, you won't get that reference)

Skeptoid did a podcast on it, I stand by Dunning's conclusion.

I say Bull-shit everyone knows there is only one true digital drug...


cookie for reference...

EDIT: besides doesn't all music affect the brain in some way?

well yes, it is "new age hippie bull crap" but so is "getting high via sound waves".

but anything that can simulate the effects of stimulants and depressants simultaneously must be fucking awesome.

damnit......now i have to give up the phones.....I NEED MY FIX MAN *listens to black sun sound*.....ahhhhhh.

but anyway screw those bastards.....its always something, cant blame your bad parenting so try to blame something else.

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