Valve Would "Love" to Put Steam on 360s

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Valve Would "Love" to Put Steam on 360s

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Valve wants 360 owners to know that it'd like to bring Steamworks to the Xbox, but Microsoft's closed control of Xbox Live won't let this happen right now.

Valve's announcement that it was bringing Steamworks to the PS3 via Portal 2 was a pleasant surprise for console owners last week. As it turns out, the PS3 isn't the only console that Valve would like to bring the development suite to.

According to Valve Project Manager Erik Johnson at Gamescom last week, "we think customers would like [Steam on Xbox 360]. We think, anyway. We'd love to try that." However, despite Valve's wishes, Johnson also stated that Steam appearing on 360s is "not up to us." It turns out that Microsoft's closed regulations on Xbox Live don't allow developers to include their own services that provide things like mods, quick patches, and community content.

This isn't the first time that Microsoft's control of Xbox Live has been an issue for big-name developers. Final Fantasy XIV's release has been substantially delayed while Square-Enix tries to work things out with Microsoft, and Champions Online's Xbox release was delayed several times before it was finally canceled due to issues Cryptic encountered with Xbox Live.

Microsoft doesn't seem to realize just how bad it's starting to look thanks to situations like this. There aren't many bigger names in the business than Valve and Square-Enix, and the fact that Microsoft doesn't seem to even be trying to meet them halfway probably makes Sony look a much better working partner for smaller developers. If I were running a videogame studio, I'd be much more inclined to give Sony an exclusive title for the PSN because of the inflexibility Microsoft is showing with Live.

According to Final Fantasy producer Sage Sundi, though, there's a possible solution for getting Microsoft to allow this sort of content on Xbox consoles: "If 200,000 people maybe send an e-mail to Microsoft asking to give us access to the other side of Xbox Live then there's a possibility."

Source: CVG

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I'm guessing those "200.000"(The article says 200) would have to be XBox Live users otherwise it would make no sense.

If this were to happen I can easily see Battle.net as well as OnLive(it's a streaming service) somehow get into the platform.

I was hoping Steam would remain for PC only...I keep getting the feeling the big game companies (even Microsoft) try to ignore the PC. Steam is the biggest argument against that (IMO). :(

I think they awlays wanted to, but that microsoft wouldnt let them. Really vavle try to be generouse to us console scrubs. If this got through I would cry tears of joy.

Oh god, Microsoft. Look at what you're missing out on.

Steam on PS3? AWSOME!!! another reason I love my PS3 :P

silver wolf009:
Really vavle try to be generouse to us console scrubs. If this got through I would cry tears of joy.

They're trying, but as usual...
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I don't understand how other companies releasing patches and community content would hurt the 360...

cmon microsoft!

It's stuff like this that tells me Gabe Newell is a master when it comes to getting his way.
I mean, he stonewalled Sony until they gave in, EA practically has to beg to carry their games, and nearly all of PC gaming goes through them.

Gabe is a flipping badass.

Hammer_Wizard:
Gabe is a flipping badass.

Hmmmm.... I used to feel the same way whenever Google stuck it to Microsoft/Apple/Whomever. After the Google/Verizon plan to carve up the internet was revealed earlier this month, though, I'm feeling more wary about lionizing these "giant-killers" who happen to be giants themselves.

This is why I love Valve. They're willing to branch out to other platforms with their service, and I think they'll be successful if they can get their foot in the Microsoft 5000 pound steel door of doom.

I would love to have Steamworks on my 360, and I hope they can manage to get it done.

Microsoft, I have never prayed to you before. I have no tongue for it. No one, not even you, will remember if we were haxors or noobs. Why we bitched, or why we complained. All that matters is that today, we wanted Steam. That's what's important! Money pleases you Microsoft, so grant me this one request. Grant me Steam! And if you do not listen, then to hell with you!

Fuck off, Valve. PC is enough, I'm going to be a very sad fanboy :(

were can i sign up for the future fan movement? I want steam on xbl nao!!!!!! plz hears uz m$, but since when u care bout ur comunity anyways?

It sounds like microsoft in charge of xbox live is like apple. They hate every other developer thats not them.

Oh god MS this would be possible the best thing you could do for us. I mean we sort of deserve it. I mean you gave us kinect and while we're thankful you tried, we would like steam instead.

If it means getting the L4D DLC and actually having the TF2 DLC on the 360, by all means, go right ahead. Who knows? We could also see mods on the console versions too. If Valve actually shafts Microsoft like they did with EA and Sony, well then, this could be entertaining.

Microsoft and Apple are rivals, but damn if they don't have similar isolationist business practices.

CezarIgnat:
I was hoping Steam would remain for PC only...I keep getting the feeling the big game companies (even Microsoft) try to ignore the PC. Steam is the biggest argument against that (IMO). :(

Microsoft has Games For Windows Live. What do you mean try to ignore? They fully support the PC!

DO IT MICROSOFT! DO IT!

Hammer_Wizard:
It's stuff like this that tells me Gabe Newell is a master when it comes to getting his way.
I mean, he stonewalled Sony until they gave in, EA practically has to beg to carry their games, and nearly all of PC gaming goes through them.

Gabe is a flipping badass.

That sir, is my new favorite quote of the year.

Anyway, I'm limited to consoles since my PC runs like farts, so I would be overjoyed to see Steam come to consoles, but it seems Microsoft in hiding inside their cash-bubble again, a world where risks simply don't exist (no matter how much of a risk it is) and nothing is free.

buy teh haloz:
If it means getting the L4D DLC and actually having the TF2 DLC on the 360, by all means, go right ahead. Who knows? We could also see mods on the console versions too. If Valve actually shafts Microsoft like they did with EA and Sony, well then, this could be entertaining.

I would be good with Valve just making sure that TF2 works on Xbox 360 and doesn't force me to play sniper all the time, but mods and dlc don't sound too bad either.

If XBLA actually gets Steam, then this will be both good, and bad. Let me explain:

Steam is a great service, and expanding to service to other platforms will benefit everyone using it.

However, it is becoming more and more obvious that VALVe will soon be a video game monopoly. Expanding the service will increase their profit, meaning more ways for them to expand. Plus with Steam on other platforms, we may start seeing more multi-platform releases, meaning more sales on Steam. Eventually, they could be controlling a large chunk of the market. But eh, that's a really far-fetched theory. Plus Microsoft won't want other companies making more money off of their own system then they are.

Just remember:

The_root_of_all_evil:
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Ha ha, thanks for the laugh.

ItalianPaddy:
I don't understand how other companies releasing patches and community content would hurt the 360...

Sony loses alot of money each year supporting the bandwidth of the PSN that is why Microsoft took on the pay as you play model, both sony and Microsoft charge companies a fee to put dlc up, even free and patches cost them money to allow you to download. sony feels that increased game and consul sales from having the service free will cover the cost of operation, Microsoft instead chose to push the cost onto the consumers.

so yes it would actually cost Microsoft money to allow you to download stuff off of steam.

For a long time, I have defended Microsoft's decisions. I have been a long time Gold member on their Xbox Live, and seen most of their decisions myself. However, this is the first time I'm going to have to disagree with Microsoft. Quire simply, they just want to continue charging people for DLC and games, without losing a profit. It's a sad day, I seriously wanted Steam on the 360. I'm not a Valve fanboy, and I love the amount of tears it's creating knowing Steam is no longer PC-only since now they have to share (now you know how it feels when our Xbox exclusives come to the PC, eh?! Nah just playing. Learn to share).

I sincerely hope Microsoft looks at this plan one last time and changes it. Everyone would be happy, and having Steam support on the 360 would be an interesting change.

PS: I've never used that symbol of the M and the dollar sign. But... how could you M$? Ew. No. Not doing that ever again. Though it still reinforces my dislike with this call.

Ice Storm:
For a long time, I have defended Microsoft's decisions. I have been a long time Gold member on their Xbox Live, and seen most of their decisions myself. However, this is the first time I'm going to have to disagree with Microsoft. Quire simply, they just want to continue charging people for DLC and games, without losing a profit. It's a sad day, I seriously wanted Steam on the 360. I'm not a Valve fanboy, and I love the amount of tears it's creating knowing Steam is no longer PC-only since now they have to share (now you know how it feels when our Xbox exclusives come to the PC, eh?! Nah just playing. Learn to share).

I sincerely hope Microsoft looks at this plan one last time and changes it. Everyone would be happy, and having Steam support on the 360 would be an interesting change.

PS: I've never used that symbol of the M and the dollar sign. But... how could you M$? Ew. No. Not doing that ever again. Though it still reinforces my dislike with this call.

Technically Steam is the store, Steamworks is the network backend which is what the PS3 has you won't be able to buy Uncharted 2 on steam for PS3

I highly doubt that after such a statement and PS3 starting to get gaems [sic] MS may change their mind about it. But then again the code may not allow such things.

Its a shame really. I bet its for same reasons why SE uis having so many problems getting FF14 up on it

Well, if the PS3 can get some SteamPlay action, that'd be pretty awesome. Buy a game on Steam, and you can play it on PC, Mac or PS3.

I really doubt Microsoft will let Steamworks through, though. Too stubborn.

They specifically want Steamworks on the PC...

Well I don't ant that for several reasons... for one I don't like Steam.

Now we have my immediate bias out of the way.

They would then have their own service on 2 out of 3 consoles and the PC... so essentially they would become a monopoly drawing money from all 3 platforms and growing larger.

That doesn't sound good to me... I assume because they want Steamworks this means they want to offer other games through their system. Essentially stealing a market away from XBLA and PSN... thereby increasing rthe cost to keep those other systems running and driving smaller developers who don't want to use Steam into the ground.

Then I assume Valve would use their own servers for their games. Which Microsoft wouldn't have a hand in so Valve would have to pay for them all on their own... which is where they could easily bring ion a subscription fee.

Maybe I'm making Valve out to be too evil, but they are a company.

Still I'd rather Valve just stop freaking complaining and maintenance the TF2 servers on 360... I'm sure they can scrounge around in the money pile for enough for one update.

vansau:
"If 200,000 people maybe send an e-mail to Microsoft asking to give us access to the other side of Xbox Live then there's a possibility."

Quick my PS3 fanboy brothers, we need to transform and roll out, send an E-mail to Microsoft pretending to have an Xbox stating that you don't want your console over run with third party trinkets and software plugins!, we've got something over the Xbots in this bloody war of one up-manship, lets keep it that way!.

In all seriousness, not having Steam on Xbox is bad for us the consumers, gaming is all about choice and my Xbox peers not being able to choose to have Steam on their systems is a sad thing indeed, I hope Steam is enough of a success on PSN to get Microsoft to reconsider, unless they are going the Apple way...

Damnit Microsoft, stop being such an ASS and open your infrastructure already. This is just horrible, I swear to God. I want STEAM. ME WANT.

PS3 isn't so bad right now..

If they don't let Steam come to 360, then they're idiots. That's going to be one of the stronger things that the PS3 has to it when they get it, and Microsoft will lose quite a lot of people from it. I know that I've always prefered the 360 to the PS3 (I have both, I just prefer the 360 controller as it feels more natural), but this is starting to seem like the PS3 annoyances would be worth dealing with.

well at least the ps3 will have Steam. I wonder how well it will run on the ps3 and what you can do with it?? Or even buy on it??

Valve should make a console called The Valve. I would buy it. Look at the variety! Half-Life 1,2,ep1,ep2, CS,:S,DoD,:S,L4D,2........yep I'm out.

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