Gamers Ready to "Graduate" From Wii, Says Take-Two CEO

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Gamers Ready to "Graduate" From Wii, Says Take-Two CEO

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Take-Two CEO Ben Feder predicts that an entire generation of gamers is on the cusp of "graduating" from the Wii to the more advanced Move and Kinect-based systems.

The Nintendo Wii may have put the boots to the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 in the latest round of the console wars but that doesn't change the fact that it's a distant third technologically. So what will happen when Microsoft and Sony finally get around to unleashing their own motion-control systems? Both companies are late to the party but in Feder's opinion, there's a potentially huge audience waiting for them to show up.

The Take-Two CEO told an audience at the Kaufman Brothers L.P. Investor Conference that his son, who was given a Wii when he was nine years old, refuses to invite his friends over for gaming sessions now that he's in his early teens because he's "too embarrassed" about not having an HD console. How it is that the son of the chief executive of a major videogame publisher doesn't have an Xbox 360 and a PlayStation 3 is a good question, but it's not the point; the point is that Feder thinks there are a lot of people in the same situation and that they're ready to move on.

"What Sony and Microsoft have really done with Kinect and Move, especially Move, is provide a bridge for guys that are used to playing the Wii system with the wand and bringing them over to a HD system," he said. "The PS3 with Move, in my view, is the Wii HD system. I think maybe Mom isn't playing, but the kids are 'graduating,' and Microsoft and Sony have both provided a bridge to bring them over."

"I do believe Nintendo did widen the audience," he continued. "I can't tell you how many people are going to 'graduate,' but I do believe they raised a generation of kids to play videogames that are now growing up and wanting a true HD experience."

PlayStation Move hits North American shelves in just two days; Kinect comes out on November 4.

Source: IGN

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Playstation 3 is still $400 (if you want the "advanced" motion controls; twice the cost of the Wii) while Kinect still comes off as a joke.

I doubt very much that an "entire generation" is interested in 'graduating' to either of those options.

there's ALSO potentially a huge number of shovelware titles waiting for the people waiting for kinect and move to come out XD

seriously, i DON'T want to see ANY shovelware on my 360... i DON'T want my console to turn into a hub for fucking "xbox sports" and "xbox petting zoo".... i DON'T want to see big-name and GOOD releases like Mass Effect 3 or Fable 3 be overshadowed by "Xbox Golfing 2011".

but if it makes the consoles last longer and improves the videogame market... then i don't mind.

THe xbox kinect looks AWFULLY silly, I highly doubt i will get one.

This would imply that we learned anything from the Wii other than "Random Stick-Waving Fu" for us to graduate from.

Motion controls are a joke and a gimmick. Good games are what matters and there really are no good games with motion controls.

Wow...yeah, I don't think they're going to get the amount of people migrating as they think they do. HD is honestly not that motivating a factor, at least for me (and most people I know) so I think they should probably work on another angle to draw people in.

I'm not listening to a word this guy is saying - if the boss of arguably the best games publisher right now will only buy his son a Wii, how can he be taken seriously as an authority on gaming?!

Anyway, our Wii hasn't been switched on in over 2 years, and I'm picking up Move tomorrow, so I guess he has a point.

Still, though. You've obviously got more money than you'll ever need. Buy your kid a damn PS3!

"I'm sick and tired of my Wii, with games like Wii Sports, Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart, Zelda Twilight Princess, No More Heroes, Super Smash Bros., and EVERY old-school game I downloaded! I'm going to get the Move and Kinect, with their extremely expansive gaming library of... Kinectimals and... Sports Champions and... other games!"

This is why Wii is going to win the motion controls battle: They've had 4 years to get an expansive software library. Most of the games I mentioned are of no use to the new gamer, but in time, they may move up to it. Give the Kinect and Move a few months to actually get games, and then there will be a chance to make statements like that. Besides, the claim say that someone who spent $200 on a Wii and more money on the games will be willing to get rid of it to spend $400 plus on getting a PS3/360, the controllers/Kinect, and all appropriate software/hardware. Software is what people want, not hardware!

JaredXE:
This would imply that we learned anything from the Wii other than "Random Stick-Waving Fu" for us to graduate from.

Motion controls are a joke and a gimmick. Good games are what matters and there really are no good games with motion controls.

Oh, yeah, this is also my veiw on motion controls. There are some good games on the Wii, but they would have been better WITHOUT the motion controls.

Not an unreasonable argument. Certainly can see that scenario happening. But this line: "How it is that the son of the chief executive of a major videogame publisher doesn't have an Xbox 360 and a PlayStation 3 is a good question, but it's not the point" cracks me up XD

Console gaming is getting pretty dull for me at this point. Other than the fighting games, my consoles are just gathering dust. :(

JaredXE:
Motion controls are a joke and a gimmick. Good games are what matters and there really are no good games with motion controls.

Colour is such a gimmick.

3D is such a gimmick.

Analogue sticks are such a gimmick.

Rumble is such a gimmick.

1080p is such a gimmick.

Need I go on?

An FPS with pointer (wiimote or move I guess) aiming is infinitely superior to thumbstick aiming.

Mario Galaxy, Twilight Princess, Raving Rabids, Metroid Prime 3 all demonstrated perfect motion control usage. Red Steel 2 showed how advanced the extra axis was.

Maybe kids are embarrassed about the Wii but the 24-35 central gaming demographic seems to like it just fine.

This dude is talking out of his bum, he is pissed off he bet on the wrong horse in this console gen. And I bet it stings extra hard knowing there is no "next gen" console in the near future. The ps3 and xbox have nowhere else to go.

All Ninty needs to do if they want another shipment of money is to release a new 1080p Wii with a hard disk, an online service that doesn't rely on stupid friend codes, and HDMI out. What can ps3 or xbox possibly do to compete with that?

dannymc18:

JaredXE:
Motion controls are a joke and a gimmick. Good games are what matters and there really are no good games with motion controls.

Colour is such a gimmick.

3D is such a gimmick.

Analogue sticks are such a gimmick.

Rumble is such a gimmick.

1080p is such a gimmick.

Need I go on?

Yo forgot that DLC is a gimmick.

Online play is a gimmick.

Great point though man. People just don't like change. Anything new is called a "gimmick" until it's universally implemented.

It seems like a huge assumption that people are only so attached to the Nintendo Wii because of its motion control technology, despite what flaws it may have in other areas. Personally, I bought a classic controller as soon as possible and look for games that are either compatible with it, or don't need it because they don't require that much movement. Don't get me wrong, the motion aspect of gaming is fun when you want to exercise, or have a house full of friends that don't mind making fools of themselves. But I enjoy games more when I can just stare at a screen and mash buttons.

I've... never heard anyone say they refuse to play a Nintendo Wii because it isn't an "HD System." What does that even mean? All my friends just want to play something where they can compete against each other. It doesn't matter what console it's from. The only thing I know for sure is that when it comes to motion-based games, it's still hit or miss as to whether anyone in my social circle won't feel too embarassed to wield a piece of plastic like it's a sword.

JaredXE:
This would imply that we learned anything from the Wii other than "Random Stick-Waving Fu" for us to graduate from.

Motion controls are a joke and a gimmick. Good games are what matters and there really are no good games with motion controls.

I wouldn't go that far. The shooting games on Wii are better than on the console. And you are a unfortunate individual if you cannot find any fun in Wario Ware.

Sad thing about the Wii is that most of it's own First party games don't really utilize the motion controls it advertised to people.

AzrealMaximillion:
Sad thing about the Wii is that most of it's own First party games don't really utilize the motion controls it advertised to people.

Would you rather those controls be forced in or tacked on?

AzrealMaximillion:

dannymc18:

JaredXE:
Motion controls are a joke and a gimmick. Good games are what matters and there really are no good games with motion controls.

Colour is such a gimmick.

3D is such a gimmick.

Analogue sticks are such a gimmick.

Rumble is such a gimmick.

1080p is such a gimmick.

Need I go on?

Yo forgot that DLC is a gimmick.

Online play is a gimmick.

Great point though man. People just don't like change. Anything new is called a "gimmick" until it's universally implemented.

yeah but wii motion control sucks dick

I retired from my Wii, like most others it would seem.

"What Sony and Microsoft have really done with Kinect and Move, especially Move, is provide a bridge for guys that are used to playing the Wii system with the wand and bringing them over to a HD system," he said. "The PS3 with Move, in my view, is the Wii HD system. I think maybe Mom isn't playing, but the kids are 'graduating,' and Microsoft and Sony have both provided a bridge to bring them over."

Or, you know, they could stop being bitches and use a real controller for responsiveness and/or get on a PC for mouse accuracy.

Anyway, he might have a point. I'm sure the wand-erers are a bit frustrated with the shovelware. Or maybe not, all they seem to play on Wii is Wii Fit and Sports.

4 years still and my Wii is one of the best systems I've owned. I've already "graduated" from the Xbox 360.

sounds like his kid is an insecure git, and me personally, I own or have access all three systems, but the move and kinetic look like cheap knock offs to me, I wont be buying any games that are move or kinect enabled.

I actually play my ps3 the msot, expecially because my wii has died.

Isn't that like graduating from preschool... into preschool?

We haven't really seen any games or any other proof that Move or even Kinect will be a good point for Wii owners to jump into. The Move has R.U.S.E. and that's it. We'll see what it'll be like in the future if the games that utilize it do it correctly.

As far as I'm concerned, he's talking out of his ass. We haven't seen any proof that they'll succeed at all.

What does Take-Two have against Nintendo? Didn't this guy spout off about not making a GTA for Nintendo then whoopsie Chinatown Wars.

Possibly, but, it might also be a natural progression onto something new. I feel though people will strick with what they know for a while though

This is pathetic. First of all, Wii owners aren't going to spend $500 dollars on what is essentially an upgraded Wii-remote. Second, "he's "too embarrassed" about not having an HD console."...WTF! This is the problem with the current generation of consoles and gamers- everyone is so insecure about their hobby. I could understand if he had said he was embarassed about playing a kiddie console (even though the Wii is not a kiddie console) but to be embarassed about not having HD?!?! WHO CARES ABOUT HD?!? WHO EVEN CARES ABOUT GRAPHICS?!? Non-HD is OG! Why is it that some people complain about the Wii not having HD, then play Megaman 9 and 10 and say they're amazing? (which they are) I'd personally rather play games in standard def. I prefer to not have a quarter-second delay between button presses and my actions onscreen thank you very much. This guy clearly doesn't know what makes a game good, and neither does his kid. (If he even has one)
The tech doesn't matter.........at all........only games do.

Here is my letter to this particular CEO;

"Dear CEO..
What the **** is your problem?
"

This has by far, been the worst console wars ever.
They just refuse to accept that Wii won outstandingly.

Hey! Take TWo! *throws shoe* Shut up!

"Graduating" Pretentious ass holes.

A mass "graduation" from Wii to Kinect and Move is definitely not going to happen. The downmarket largely doesn't care about high-definition graphics or 1:1 ratio accuracy. If they did, then they wouldn't have gotten a Wii in the first place. There's also the issue of price; a PS3 with Move and Sports Champion is $400, and Kinect by itself is $150. Until those prices start to match the Wii's prices, there's no way Microsoft or Sony can hope to steal away the Wii audience.

So lets try and sum this up...

The Wii employs the double-lightsaber style of controller. (£159.99 (Includes Motion Plus, Wii Sports, Wii Sports resort) - Amazon)

The PS Tripple went back to the Eye-toy, but added Wii style lightsabers. WITH A COLOURED BALL (£44.00 (£269.91 with console) - Amazon)

The 360 has just gone for a really wide Eye-toy style, flailing dance-party (£124.99 (£249.99 with console) - Amazon)

Price wise, the Wii still DOMINATES Sony and Microsoft, but these technologies are new for Sony and Microsoft. Prices WILL fall eventually.

Quality wise, the proof lies in the pudding.

I feel that "Graduating" from the Wii is the wrong term to use. At first the Wii had to prove it wasn't just a gimmick console, and has done so with a range of games that aren't just "NITENDO WII SUPER HAPPY FLAIL FEST' 2010"

Sony and Microsoft can get away with Move and Kinect feeling gimmicky at first, but will have to prove that they are worth investing in.

I personally feel I will not be buying Kinect, as an Xbox owner, but will soon be buying another PS2 (yes PS2) to replace my broken one which has lied dormant for years.

Buy "graduating" I'm sure he means "spending more money for new consoles".

I'm certain that a large amount of people will see that the kinect and move don't offer anything different from the Wii.

Then again, we are talking about the same masses that made the Snuggie a success, so... I could be wrong.

I might be tempted to buy one of the other movement controls, after they prove that they're not just stupid gimmicks.
Nintendo took 3 years to prove that, I have very low hopes for the new ones.

I'm sure they will, Mr. Feder.. just as soon as you send each and every one of them the $400 it would take for them to "move up"

So many people seem to forget the "good enough" law of sales. Your product doesn't have to be the best one, it just has to be "good enough" to get the job done. Once it's reached that threshold, price becomes the determining factor. Well, for most people, simply having video games is "good enough".. HD hasn't yet become a requirement. Give it a year or two yet.

As for why he doesn't have an Xbox or PS3 already? I'd imagine it's for the same reason I don't. He has a PC for hardcore games. He has the Wii because he was interested in what motion controls could bring to the table.

Motion controls seem far to difficult to implement adequately to allow you to truly connect to a game. Sure you can have decent rail shooters, but the original NES had light gun games that were on par, if not better than current wii shooters as far as controls and hit recognition are concerned. Input devices for games are going to change drastically in the next 20 years. However, I feel that an adequate motion control system (in contrast to the wii's flailing and and (at best!) marginally better kinect and move) is harder to implement successfully than any other control medium.

Kudos for trying, but coming from a guy that has TWO wiis sitting in boxes under the tv, good motion controls are a LONG way off, and possibly never going to arrive. By the time motion controls are merely RELIABLE enough to be accepted as a viable mainstream gaming medium, I would bet we're well on our way to VR.

I also point to the lack of first-party nintendo support for the motion controls in games like twilight princess and the use of motion controls merely as an aiming device "light gun" style in metroid as evidence that even nintendo sees it as an inadequate option in terms of immersion in their more "serious" games.

I am disappointed in microsoft and sony in their shameless copying of nintendo through xbox avatars (complete with chinsy xylophone music when you change your avatar) and now the double punch of kinect and move. I think they wildly miss their target audience.

Fanboys rage on.

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