Industry Obsessed With "Gay Space Marines," Says Mafia 2 Producer

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Industry Obsessed With "Gay Space Marines," Says Mafia 2 Producer

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Mafia 2's producer wants to see better stories in games, and thinks that being more inventive with the characters is a good start.

The videogame industry has a number of challenges it must overcome, and Mafia 2 producer Denby Grace thinks he has identified the biggest one. In his view, game makers are using a specific character type a little too often and creating too many games filled with "gay space marines."

The comment was in response to the question of what he thought was the biggest problem that modern games suffered from; a question he said was too general to be able to really answered concisely. His remarks were obviously a little tongue-in-cheek - Grace said that he had been described as an "asshole" in the past - but he probably wasn't being completely facetious, as he also said that one of his hopes for the future was that videogame writing would improve.

Grace isn't the first person to suggest that videogame stories need to improve, and he certainly won't be the last. Mirror's Edge writer Rhianna Pratchett said something similar a year ago when she complained that games tried to emulate Hollywood action movies far too much. How important story is varies from person to person, and not everyone is going to share Grace's concerns, but I don't think that anyone would suggest that a little bit more variety in what we play is a bad thing.

Source: MTV Multiplayer

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Hehehe. I like this man. Certainly I agree, I've said it often enough. Why "gay space marines"? Is that cause they very obviously don't seem at all interested in women? I'm just not sure what prompted that part lol.

brunothepig:
Hehehe. I like this man. Certainly I agree, I've said it often enough. Why "gay space marines"? Is that cause they very obviously don't seem at all interested in women? I'm just not sure what prompted that part lol.

Think of it like this:

Gears Of War has a lot of 'male bonding' going on.

Hyper-masculinity doesn't always indicate homosexuality. They could just be conventionally masculine.

I want to be offended by this, but it's true. But as a gay man, I wish they'd just be overt with it instead of subtle.

Gay space marines are the one thing Mass Effect was missing :p

Pretty much hit the nail on the head there. Stuff like Gears of War is awesome but too much of it gets on my nerves.

Yeah you tell em Denby, why cant they all be blazing a trail with their revolutionary tales of mafia and gangsters. No-one had heard of the five families before the first Mafia game after all.

The man is a visionary!

fleacythesheep:
Gay space marines are the one thing Mass Effect was missing :p

Which was an insta-buy for me. Other games is just "Meh, here we go again..."

I think that if he wants game story writers to get more creative, he should first get more creative with his insults...
Seriously? Gay Space Marines? Never heard that one before, suuure.
When he throws in an archaic word, or something that makes his drivel stand out more than anyone else's, then I shall given a damn to him. I shall send him 1 (One) damn. Whatever they look like.

Time to copy my post from the topic that mentioned this first:

It's rather hard to sodomize your fellow marine through 5 inches of hardened steel.

Gears of War=/=Space Marine.

Space Marine=Halo.

But on a lighter note, is Mafia being sour grapes because their game didn't make $200million in it's first day?
Mafia was a good game, don't make me think less of it by being a douche.

Pipotchi:
Yeah you tell em Denby, why cant they all be blazing a trail with their revolutionary tales of mafia and gangsters. No-one had heard of the five families before the first Mafia game after all.

The man is a visionary!

yeah I have to agree with this as I was going to basically say the same thing. The man bitches about one unoriginal story/plot device and yet hes the producer of the mafia games... Yeah that's super revolutionary. Man needs to put out an actual game that's original and interesting before he can run around crying about halo and gears of war clones.

Like for example if you were a giraffe on a boat made of cake, on a mission to dominate the high seas of root beer, and hidden chocolate treasures. Make a game like that include an interesting story as well, and you can have the achievement to bitch and moan about other developers and their unoriginality.

Oh, we are going to have a firestorm by the Halo Fans and the Gay Rights activists.

Oh the delicious irony. How I love thee. Now I'm going to go write an original story about an Italian man named Vito who gets an offer he can't refuse.

Valkyrie101:
Hyper-masculinity doesn't always indicate homosexuality. They could just be conventionally masculine.

it rather indicates narcissim which is a heavy form of autoerotic homophilia.
(They love themself so much they want to f*** themselves)
or they are just hiding that they have an inferiority complex towards women.

If you have ever been to a workout center you know what I mean.

Bigeyez:
Oh the delicious irony. How I love thee. Now I'm going to go write an original story about an Italian man named Vito who gets an offer he can't refuse.

Yes, quite delicious... I wonder if Space Marines have a "dont ask, dont tell" policy too...

Obsession? Really? i thought Gordon Freeman broke that stereotype. Wait till Ep3.you'll see ;)

True to the post #6. It was the selling point for me.

Oh, this again. Ok.
I don't think there are enough gay video game anythings, thank you very much, Mr. Maturity. Besides, we can't *all* work on new, creative games like GTA clone: Mafia edition.

Interestingly enough, I think that an ACTUAL gay space marine, not just a hyper-masculine team member who it's fun to accuse of being gay, could make for an interesting story, maybe even throw it's hat into the ring of debate over homosexuality in the military.

Turn into a shitstorm on XBL though.

From the guy who made a totally fucking original and never before seen story about a guy named Vito who is in the Mafia.
Sigh.
At least, if this came from Obsidian or Black Isle, I could understand it.
Maybe he's just deliberately making a hypocritical joke?

Also, volition. It's my new favourite word. Sounds cool and it has a cool meaning too.

Happy Space Marines?
I am not understanding...

I think a game about an actually gay space marine would be awesome.

Super effeminant Space Marine Chapter Master ... and he's all like pilotting this Thunderhawk gun Ship and crashes it straight into an Ork Gargant ... bursting through its armour and partly exploding in a hail of shrapnel and smog within the belly of the mechanical beast.

As the smog slowly clears and the orks cease coughing you just suddenly hear ... "Haiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Gaisssssssssssss!!!!" And a huge figure bursting through the smog, decapitating orks left and right with a massive chain sword, and riddling shooty boyz with storm bolter rounds.

That would be FUCKING AWESOME! Goty material. Seriously I'm tired of all the 'For the Emperor!!' ...

I don't think these guys have enough of a personality to them to be able to be termed gay. Or anything else that doesn't involve describing a grunting killing-machine musclebag for that matter.

Though that may just be me, and Unreal Tournament was really an elaborate and emotional engaging drama about the psychological effects of hyper-masculine environments and repressed homosexuality. I somehow doubt it though.

i will agree with most of it except the gay part, thats pretty offensive tbh. i will say tho that Warhammer 40k space marines are the only ones i really like, but they were basically the first (i heard something about marines in star trek, but ive never watched it) and they have so much more personality.

to counter his statement however, i´ll say developers need to move away from the video games that has to do with crime. being an outlaw isnt very fun.

also, ive played Halo for just a couple hours, and as much i hate Halo, Mafia 2´s demo was 50 times more boring.

100% agree. Now dont get me wrong, i love Halo, Gears of War, Doom, Quake, and all that stuff, but in the end, none of those games have stories that really branch out from "the ugly ones are evil." Mass Effect is an excellent example of the kinds of stories i'd love to see more of in other types of shooters.

fleacythesheep:
Gay space marines are the one thing Mass Effect was missing :p

Much to my disappointment. I mean, Lady!Shepard can swing both ways, but Dude!Shepard isn't allowed? SAD FACES ALL ROUND.

As it stands though, as someone else said, having an actually homosexual marine PC could make for interesting plots given our current climate.

What is it with "gays" all of the sudden? this is probably why Congress doesn't take games seriously

So... the producer of Mafia 2, which is a carbon copy of The Godfather in every way, shape and form and features some of the least inventive characters I've ever come across is complaining about generic space marines? Pot-kettle much?

Xanadu84:
Interestingly enough, I think that an ACTUAL gay space marine, not just a hyper-masculine team member who it's fun to accuse of being gay, could make for an interesting story, maybe even throw it's hat into the ring of debate over homosexuality in the military.

Turn into a shitstorm on XBL though.

Yeah, i wanted to say the same thing. Because A) gay main character in a videogame is a fresh, new, and original idea, B) this could help the cause of "games as art" if handled well, C) from the marketing standpoint, homosexuality is controversial and controversy means money. The only thing standing between this idea and it's realization is indeed XBL crowd.

Christemo:
i will say tho that Warhammer 40k space marines are the only ones i really like, but they were basically the first (i heard something about marines in star trek, but ive never watched it) and they have so much more personality.

Starship Troopers were first. And i friggin' love mentioning that.

Sorry for the double post, but i needed that quote to show up.

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I think Army of Two and Gears of War are the main culprits here.

Kollega:

Christemo:
i will say tho that Warhammer 40k space marines are the only ones i really like, but they were basically the first (i heard something about marines in star trek, but ive never watched it) and they have so much more personality.

Starship Troopers were first. And i friggin' love mentioning that.

Sorry for the double post, but i needed that quote to show up.

But Starship Troopers was a parody of the US Army ... 40 k is gothic science fantasy.

Here's a original story for ya: Cthulhu and Satan must team up to stop a megalomaniac Jesus Christ from a parallel dimension, in which he wears an eye patch to signify how much more evil he is. And, it will be a puzzle-based game similar to Tetris, but the blocks are replaced with flaming unicorns wearing sunglasses. Progress through 400 levels to defeat Nega-Christ's evil army of space squirrels.

That original enough for ya, Mr. Italian-Immigrant-turn-Mobster-Game?

I can totally agree - Charactrs are all the same shade of grey these days...

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