Sega Rejects Idea That Sonic Fans Are Hard to Please

Sega Rejects Idea That Sonic Fans Are Hard to Please

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Sega's Sonic the Hedgehog brand manager David Corless thinks that hardcore Sonic fans are passionate, not difficult.

Somehow, Sonic the Hedgehog fans have got the reputation that they are hard to please and will nitpick a new Sonic game to death because the physics don't look quite right or Sonic's eyes are the wrong color. Corless doesn't subscribe to that idea though, and thinks that there's just a lot of them, with their own ideas about what makes a Sonic game.

Corless said that the core fans were very vocal and got a lot of attention, but they were also incredibly passionate about Sonic. He said that their energy and love for the brand had made the creation of Sonic 4 all but inevitable, and that Sonic Team was committed to making a game that those hardcore fans would love. "The audience fit was right and has allowed us to develop a game as close to the classic games as we could make," he said. "And the reception for the game so far has shown it's been the right decision."

Sonic 4 is one of three games that Sonic Team is working on, each aimed at a slightly different audience, and Corless was confident that the future of Sonic the Hedgehog was bright. "Daft Punk put it well," he said, when asked where he saw Sonic in five years. "Better, faster, stronger."

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Logan Westbrook:
"Daft Punk put it well," he said, when asked where he saw Sonic in five years. "Better, faster, stronger."

Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger.

I wonder why he left that particular word out?

I'm pretty sure he's wrong, Sonic has one of the most hard to please fan bases around, and that's just counting the fans who only play the games.

Sonic fans could or could not be hard to please, maybe if they dident put out crap like black knight, then we would be ok, the last great sonic game in my mind was SA2 (SA2B if you had a gamecube) i love it, great levles, they varied the gameplay us so you wouldent get bored, the only levle i dident like was the ones with that bat ><

they will be excited for sonic four, it looks like a good game

The_root_of_all_evil:

Logan Westbrook:
"Daft Punk put it well," he said, when asked where he saw Sonic in five years. "Better, faster, stronger."

Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger.

I wonder why he left that particular word out?

Well, if easy equals good...

Yeah that sounds about right... I'm not hard to please when it comes to Sonic.

Just give me a slightly better looking classic 2D Sonic and I'll snap it up.

However making Sonic turn into a 'Werehog' and I'll be lighting fire to your house...

Well that's... a flattering way of looking at your detractors.

Here's to hoping Sonic 4 is worth it!

It could just be that Sonic games have not been good since 1994. Just throwing that out there.

The_root_of_all_evil:

Logan Westbrook:
"Daft Punk put it well," he said, when asked where he saw Sonic in five years. "Better, faster, stronger."

Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger.

I wonder why he left that particular word out?

Because that's Atlus' domain still. I kid, it's probably because they still do want to attrach new fans, and stuff like the pit, water levels (remember the music?), and more from the original series is hard enough for even some of the best sonic fan.

Anyways, it really will be impossible to please fans such as the ones complaining about the game before it's released, and hard to please those that have nostalgia clouding over their minds that makes Sonic games greater than they actually are for them. Never the less, it's good to see the Sonic team focusing on pleasing the fans rather than creating soulless monstrousities that indicate Sonic needs to die. Hopefully 4 is a step in the right direction, but I doubt it will be enough to fix all the years of pain Sonic fans have had to endure from you.

The Sonic fans are coming to judge your game...RUN!

No we are not hard to please.....JUST DON'T GIVE US CRAP GAMES!!!

Wtf happened to Sonic Adventure 1 and 2!? Those games might not have been the best but they were enjoyable! No instead Sega whores out sonic to every type of story there is and when they have the potential to make a Sonic game fun and enjoyable they throw in some lousy or crappy gimmick, such as Medievil Knights, or The God-forsaken Werehog, or sometimes they just fail all around to make the game bearable (I'm looking at you Sonic the Hedgehog (2006)).

When they make a Sonic that sticks to it's roots and only those roots we'll have a much more pleased fanbase rather than us getting our hopes up that they don't completely ruin that poor Blue Hedgehog again.

I think he's right. I either dislike or flat-out hate everything Sonic has been in since the end of the Genesis. Every game has had at least one thing wrong with it that makes even playing the good bits of the game somewhat an exercise in masochism. For example, I really liked the level design of Sonic Advance 3 and I'd probably play it again someday if not for the absolutely shitty overworld garbage where I have to run around these stupid mazes looking for "the game part of the fucking game" (go watch the Sonic Unleashed episode of ZP right now!). And it's completely pointless, it adds nothing to the game but frustration! Anyway, at this point, I don't think I'm actually a fan anymore... Would a fan rather see the entire series just die in a fire? I think not.

No, fans of Sonic are people who bought and loved Sonic Unleashed and truly thought it was a great game. Those people are clearly not hard to please and will love Sonic 4 no matter its faults (such as being an episodic game that costs $15 for episode one which is coming out next week and yet as of right now SEGA has no fucking clue how many more episodes will even be coming out; that is NOT how you do proper episodic content!).

Does this mean they accept the fact that they're Sonic games are shit then?

mjc0961:
I think he's right. I either dislike or flat-out hate everything Sonic has been in since the end of the Genesis. Every game has had at least one thing wrong with it. At this point, I don't think I'm actually a fan anymore... Would a fan rather see the entire series just die in a fire? I think not.

No, fans of Sonic are people who bought and loved Sonic Unleashed and truly thought it was a great game. Those people are clearly not hard to please and will love Sonic 4 no matter its faults (such as being an episodic game that costs $15 for episode one which is coming out next week and yet as of right now SEGA has no fucking clue how many more episodes will even be coming out; that is NOT how you do proper episodic content!).

I can agree with this. I loved Sonic Unleashed....THe daytime stages anyway, but I definitely feel that Sonic 4 will be a success and since Ive seen the game play, I gotta say that this is one game worth getting.

People say that Sonic fans are clouded by nostalgia and it is true a good majority of them are, but the real fans who try to find the good in every game kinda get discouraged everytime SEGA trys a new gimmick and doesn't focus on just Sonic. Simple as that, I mean SA 1 and 2 involved other playable characters but at least they made it fun and interesting.

The problem is that most hardcore sonic fans are to easy to please. Even the worst of the worst of the recent disasters (Sonic 06) still sold well enough to get one of the Xbox 360's "platinum games" lists.

Madara XIII:
I can agree with this. I loved Sonic Unleashed....THe daytime stages anyway, but I definitely feel that Sonic 4 will be a success and since Ive seen the game play, I gotta say that this is one game worth getting.

People say that Sonic fans are clouded by nostalgia and it is true a good majority of them are, but the real fans who try to find the good in every game kinda get discouraged everytime SEGA trys a new gimmick and doesn't focus on just Sonic. Simple as that, I mean SA 1 and 2 involved other playable characters but at least they made it fun and interesting.

I submit that Big and Amy were not fun or interesting. Big was just completely pointless and Amy was the same kind of stages as Sonic, but half as fast. If they cut the speed in half for Sonic 3, I'd think it'd suck, and I think the same of the Amy stages in Sonic Adventure.

And I'm not buying anything with "Sonic" in the title based on gameplay trailers. SEGA is only showing us what they want us to see. Sorry but I just don't trust them.

It isn't that the Sonic fans are hard to please. I think it just seems that way since the last decent Sonic game was released on the Dreamcast (this isn't counting the RPG on the DS). There have been what, a half-dozen games since Sonic Adventure? I lost count and am not much of a Sonic fan to begin with but, I remember Sonic Team Heros (I think) being terrible. The Sonic wii-titles looked sad, Sonic the Hedgehog on the PS3 (and I think 360, I really don't remember) was crucified then, Sonic Unleashed came out and made StH look like KotOR.

It looks to me like the best games featuring Sonic which have been released are the games in which Sonic is making cameo appearances like Brawl and, the Mario/ Sonic Olympic games.

Lets say they take Megaman and put him in a similar position: releasing a ton of games where relevance gets pushed farther and farther away. Games where 'new friends' take up all of Megaman's screen time. Where the core gameplay mechanics become a liability. Then you insert Megaman into a fighting game and, a game made up of mini-games. I would think the Megaman fans would get a bit pissy after a few years of that which would make them look as though they are 'hard to please.'

If anything, the Sonic fans are jaded and lacking in optimism but who can blame them? From what I've seen of Sonic the Hedgehog 4, I think it looks good but, as I've said, I'm not a fan of the series. I may pick it up once the price drops but I'm far more likely to get that then say, Sonic vs The Black Knight.

I think that a company that does not believe that its fans are hard to please...does not know its fanbase. There is always an unpleasable fanbase, as regular and consistant as Newton's First Law. Silly companies and their delusions.

I give Sega 10 bonus points for referencing Daft Punk, but as long as Sonic 4 meets "Face to Face" with my enjoyment of the past Sonic games, I will have no complaints. Also, I'm surprised Sega hasn't tried to make a game based on the storyline of the Sonic SatAM cartoon back in the day.

Brad Shepard:
Sonic fans could or could not be hard to please, maybe if they didn't put out crap like black knight, then we would be OK, the last great sonic game in my mind was SA2 (SA2B if you had a Gamecube) I love it, great levels, they varied the game-play us so you wouldn't get bored, the only level I didn't like was the ones with that bat. ><

(Sorry, Brad. Couldn't help it.)

I honestly don't understand the hate that game received. Sonic 06', yes, that game was terrible. We ALL know that. Black Knight? It's average, not terrible.

While I'm on this subject, the same goes for Shadow the Hedgehog, which I have played from beginning to end enough times to see the true ending. That game was not terrible either, and again I don't understand why people hate it. I know the game was darker than Sonic based ones, and that was part of the point.

Sean Strife:
I give Sega 10 bonus points for referencing Daft Punk, but as long as Sonic 4 meets "Face to Face" with my enjoyment of the past Sonic games, I will have no complaints. Also, I'm surprised Sega hasn't tried to make a game based on the storyline of the Sonic SatAM cartoon back in the day.

If they did, the world would have to be as huge as Just Cause 2. In fact, if SEGA could make an open world Sonic game where you can run around for hours on end, like in Spiderman: Web of Shadows, Crackdown 2, or Just Cause 2, then I would seriously consider playing such a game for weeks.

Overall, I agree that Sonic fans are passionate, but speaking as a fan who has played about 90% of all the games in my 24 years of life, I'd have to say the most vocal fans ARE too nit-picky, and that some critics out there are only exacerbating the problem.

Here's one suggestion: Take it in stride. Unless the progression is severely broken by bad design choices, I.E. having to collect the medals to unlock new levels in Sonic Unleashed, then try and enjoy it a bit. (I loved Sonic Unleashed, by the way.)

And another: SEGA is not Nintendo. Don't expect them to copy-paste the same idea for each game with slight changes in each. They try to make the formula unique, such as the branching story-lines in Shadow's game, and the dueling levels in Sonic Rivals 1 and 2. And, let's not forget that they got Bioware on their side for Sonic Chronicles, to which I am still grining about today.

I don't see Sonic as being tortured by SEGA or Sonic Team, mostly because I'm the kind of player who likes to explore instead of speed run through everything I own. That aside, I'm looking forwards to Sonic 4 and Sonic Colors.

Passionate is just another word for difficult...and...obsesesed...

Sonic fans are not hard to please. The fact that the 3D Sonic games have sold any copies at all prove that.

Sonic Fans are not hard to please. You just havent DONE it, since yadda yadda etcetera etcetera.

Whiskey Echo!!
mythgraven

Hrmm...well..at least they still have that strangely optimistic vibe!

he's probably right; fans want a game exactly like the 16-bit one..and they made it. perfect copy of a game 10 years old. congrats to the sonic team for their hard work!
10 years to realize people hate change and just re-do what was good in the 1st place.

AgentBJ09:

Brad Shepard:
Sonic fans could or could not be hard to please, maybe if they didn't put out crap like black knight, then we would be OK, the last great sonic game in my mind was SA2 (SA2B if you had a Gamecube) I love it, great levels, they varied the game-play us so you wouldn't get bored, the only level I didn't like was the ones with that bat. ><

(Sorry, Brad. Couldn't help it.)

I honestly don't understand the hate that game received. Sonic 06', yes, that game was terrible. We ALL know that. Black Knight? It's average, not terrible.

While I'm on this subject, the same goes for Shadow the Hedgehog, which I have played from beginning to end enough times to see the true ending. That game was not terrible either, and again I don't understand why people hate it. I know the game was darker than Sonic based ones, and that was part of the point.

Sean Strife:
I give Sega 10 bonus points for referencing Daft Punk, but as long as Sonic 4 meets "Face to Face" with my enjoyment of the past Sonic games, I will have no complaints. Also, I'm surprised Sega hasn't tried to make a game based on the storyline of the Sonic SatAM cartoon back in the day.

If they did, the world would have to be as huge as Just Cause 2. In fact, if SEGA could make an open world Sonic game where you can run around for hours on end, like in Spiderman: Web of Shadows, Crackdown 2, or Just Cause 2, then I would seriously consider playing such a game for weeks.

Overall, I agree that Sonic fans are passionate, but speaking as a fan who has played about 90% of all the games in my 24 years of life, I'd have to say the most vocal fans ARE too nit-picky, and that some critics out there are only exacerbating the problem.

Here's one suggestion: Take it in stride. Unless the progression is severely broken by bad design choices, I.E. having to collect the medals to unlock new levels in Sonic Unleashed, then try and enjoy it a bit. (I loved Sonic Unleashed, by the way.)

And another: SEGA is not Nintendo. Don't expect them to copy-paste the same idea for each game with slight changes in each. They try to make the formula unique, such as the branching story-lines in Shadow's game, and the dueling levels in Sonic Rivals 1 and 2. And, let's not forget that they got Bioware on their side for Sonic Chronicles, to which I am still grining about today.

I don't see Sonic as being tortured by SEGA or Sonic Team, mostly because I'm the kind of player who likes to explore instead of speed run through everything I own. That aside, I'm looking forwards to Sonic 4 and Sonic Colors.

An open world Sonic game where Princess Sally sends you on a mission to free some of the other Freedom Fighters from the clutches of the Orwellian dictator of this world in Dr. Robotnik? Sign me up. You can even slow Sonic down a bit, as long as the story was good, I'd be happy. No level grinding, no werehog shit. Just have Sonic run around and spin dash into people. Hell, throw in some Multiplayer when you could control Tails, Antoine, Princess Sally, Bunny Rabbot, Rotor, and the other Freedom Fighters and have special missions.

Sean Strife:

An open world Sonic game where Princess Sally sends you on a mission to free some of the other Freedom Fighters from the clutches of the Orwellian dictator of this world in Dr. Robotnik? Sign me up. You can even slow Sonic down a bit, as long as the story was good, I'd be happy. No level grinding, no werehog shit. Just have Sonic run around and spin dash into people. Hell, throw in some Multiplayer when you could control Tails, Antoine, Princess Sally, Bunny Rabbot, Rotor, and the other Freedom Fighters and have special missions.

THANK YOU! I was wondering if anyone else ever had this brainwave. yes, this would be a lot of fun if done right.

Hate to say it, but Mr. Corless is right: Sonic fans are not that hard to please. So why do they insist on not doing that?

Nooners:

Sean Strife:

An open world Sonic game where Princess Sally sends you on a mission to free some of the other Freedom Fighters from the clutches of the Orwellian dictator of this world in Dr. Robotnik? Sign me up. You can even slow Sonic down a bit, as long as the story was good, I'd be happy. No level grinding, no werehog shit. Just have Sonic run around and spin dash into people. Hell, throw in some Multiplayer when you could control Tails, Antoine, Princess Sally, Bunny Rabbot, Rotor, and the other Freedom Fighters and have special missions.

THANK YOU! I was wondering if anyone else ever had this brainwave. yes, this would be a lot of fun if done right.

I literally just pulled this out of my ass when he mentioned a vast world like Just Cause 2. I mean, the shit's there to make a damn good game out of it, I'm surprised Sega hasn't jumped on it. Could be just the shot in the arm Sonic needs to shake off the stink he's garnered slowly but surely since the jump to 3D.

It's not hard to please Sonic fans, just LISTEN TO THEM.

Hey, can we get an article from the Escapists own Snotnarok how Sega has time and time again ignored their fans and just kept pumping out crappy games with more bugs than we know what to do with? Then quickly insisting that they're not at fault for it. Crushing the amazing game Sonic Unleashed could have been, it was really good besides those crappy werehog levels and the dumb map levels.

"His legs are too long" and "Eyes are the wrong color"

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Using bitchy-nit-pickiness to improve a game shows that the developers are skilled enough to get something useful out of the complaints. It makes the fanbase useful, not passionate.

My only complaints about the main Sonic games were all the excess crap they throw at you and the fact he now moves WAY TOO FUCKING FAST! If you have to memorize the level via trial and error to get through it, then something is worng.
Sonic 1-K weren't stupidly fast, but felt fast. They didn't feel fast because Sonic ran faster than a Bugatti Veyron, they felt fast because of good level design.

 

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