Oprah Gives Away Kinect to Everyone in Her Audience

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Till gaming companies realise that people want something to hold on to, a focus for immersion, these motion control fads will just continue. Please, spend your development money on well-crafted thought-provoking games instead of another poor imitation of tennis!

A visualisation of how I feel watching this:
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It was inevitable, who really thought Xbox could be trusted to carry the torch of mainstream hardcore gaming? They were only in this for the money, not the passion for making great games.

Now it is clear what is the future for both Xbox and console gaming in general: shallow Gimmickry for the lowest common denominator, united by ignorance they are easy to milk for all they are worth with deceptive pricing plans for cheap and mass produced tat.

Microsoft's plans are BLATANTLY clear:
-no more business with Bungie,
-Firing and liquidising studios all over the place
-Delaying major marquee games (Gears of War 3)
-No further Major Studio acquisitions

XBox 360 is morphing into a Wii, they're rolling back investment in hardcore gaming and leaving almost all on the third parties and lame timed exclusivity deals.

Consider that Nintendo fucked over their loyal fanbase for all that casual money, Microsoft seems to be about to do the same.

woop woop. more women for me to mess with on xbox live while pretending to be a 12 year old boy with a very bad mouth... muwahahaha :P

on topic: this is a good idea. kinect, like all motion controls will be dominated by stay at home moms and little kids. there is no better show to tap into this market than oprah... ok. maybe spongebob (i would say sesame street but they arent as good at churning out annoying litle whiny brats as spongebob)

Jzolr0708:
Atleast this means one notable person in the media doesn't think vidya games are the devil and cause cancer

....and our celebrity help is Oprah?

fffffFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU- Why not Seth Green or Jack Black? I thought they were gamers....

FungiGamer:

fffffFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU- Why not Seth Green or Jack Black? I thought they were gamers....

Yeah because those two will really convince the housewives...

bigmolejack:
Till gaming companies realise that people want something to hold on to, a focus for immersion, these motion control fads will just continue. Please, spend your development money on well-crafted thought-provoking games instead of another poor imitation of tennis!

If by people you mean us, they already know that. The issue is that the market for "hardcore games" is quickly getting saturated. How many shooters were announced at E3? Around a dozen of them. Do you really think they are all going to sell?

I can't believe how close-minded gamers can be (that's a lie, I know they can be). It's not like the birth of family-friendly movies killed the art movie or blockbuster industry. If anything, gamers should appreciate gaming becoming a bit more mainstream and attracting to housewives. Finally our hobby won't be seen as something for asocial nerds.

Treblaine:

It was inevitable, who really thought Xbox could be trusted to carry the torch of mainstream hardcore gaming? They were only in this for the money, not the passion for making great games.

Now it is clear what is the future for both Xbox and console gaming in general: shallow Gimmickry for the lowest common denominator, united by ignorance they are easy to milk for all they are worth with deceptive pricing plans for cheap and mass produced tat.

Microsoft's plans are BLATANTLY clear:
-no more business with Bungie,
-Firing and liquidising studios all over the place
-Delaying major marquee games (Gears of War 3)
-No further Major Studio acquisitions

XBox 360 is morphing into a Wii, they're rolling back investment in hardcore gaming and leaving almost all on the third parties and lame timed exclusivity deals.

Consider that Nintendo fucked over their loyal fanbase for all that casual money, Microsoft seems to be about to do the same.

Fuck right, a publisher trying to expand their market-share, how dare they.
Let me lay down a bit of knowledge for you: games sucked. Just take a look at the Virtual Arcade. Most old games are not very good. And that was the "hardcore" of yesteryears. They evolved and got better but it took some sweet time. The casual market is new and will evolve into something interesting if you give it time. There's a lot of crap but gamers are going to be the first to call a 75% or lower metacritic scored game (even "hardcore" ones) crap. Just put great designers like Brenda Brathwaite on a casual games and you will get a quality product. Seriously guys, you are acting like a bunch of spoiled teenagers screaming that if something is not made and marketed for you it is shit.

Grow up, accept diversity in markets and in games and enjoy the plentiful games that are still made for you.

Well, to her credit, she did give it away to the Kinect's target audience: idiots!

Yet another showboating extravaganza on the Oprah Winfrey show. Whoopee. And now she is pimping for Microsoft. Can it get any lower than that?

subject_87:
Say what you will, this seems like a positive step for making gaming more socially acceptable.

There is that, but the suspicion that for once this wasn't Oprah's idea isn't going to help. I am about willing to bet she has a Wii at home.

Irridium:
Perhaps they're excited that they're getting the 360/kinect for free?

Because someone's excited for getting something for free doesn't mean others will be excited about paying $200+ for it.

$150 for Kinect, $50 for a game.

I'm excited I'm not getting it. Yay!

Meh, the people in the audience of Oprah would cheer if she gave everyone a dying cat on a stick.

Ya know, if a high profile celebrity were to give me a dying cat on a stick I'd probably be happy too...

didn't she do a thing recently about how this is her last show or something?

yeah more than half of those women seems like the type to not know how to hook up a DVD player without help.

She's so clueless it's annoying. The next big thing in video gaming? Then why did they patch it for sitting down? It ruins the entire purpose of this already useless gimmick. If you're sitting you might as well use a gamepad.

orangeapples:
Meh, the people in the audience of Oprah would cheer if she gave everyone a dying cat on a stick.

Ya know, if a high profile celebrity were to give me a dying cat on a stick I'd probably be happy too...

I laughed so hard at this. You win internet for one day at least :D

This motion control thingy is killing gaming. That and 3D. Instead of making great games they are trying to appeal to a group of people that doesn't know what gaming is. In the process they will lose loyal customers. I hope Sony doesn't do the same. At least PC will always remain a constant.

So THIS is what the 400 million dollars in marketing money was spent on...

Also this is doing NOTHING to sell Kinect to more hardcore gamers. This is just proving that Microsoft is totally leaving Kinect to the casual crowd. Are they abandoning the hardcore gamers? No no no. They're just trying to get a bigger piece of the casual gaming money pie.

I would not allow myself to watch the video[1], but let me make a single guess: rapid Oprah acolytes burst into hysteric cheering while zealously praised their savior for bestowing upon them more free stuff. These are the same people who let Oprah dictate what they read, so I'm pretty sure they had an armed gun squad off camera holding up the "applause" sign.

As others have said, though, this is at least a step forward for social integration of video games into culture. The only drawback that I see is what culture? Great, now that soccer moms across the country want to make royal asses out of themselves "exercising" with the Kinect, is Microsoft going to home in on this expanded demographic while neglecting its original audience? The 360's exclusive AAA IPs are in a stasis as it is, which makes me (as a 360 owner) rather dismayed at Microsoft's monetary focus to put Kinect at the vanguard for attention. If it weren't for my (new) PS3 and PC, I would feel this plateau for the 360's original titles to be a complete slap in the face.[2]

[1] I strongly dislike blame Oprah for many wrong things in America and hate exposing myself to her vapid commentary.
[2] Due to my other gaming options, this simply relegates my 360 to the rent-only console to absorb the remnant drips of quality exclusive titles such as Reach, Fable III, and Gears.

Irridium:
Perhaps they're excited that they're getting the 360/kinect for free?

Because someone's excited for getting something for free doesn't mean others will be excited about paying $200+ for it.

$150 for Kinect, $50 for a game.

Not to mention the, what is it now, 250-350 for an X-box, which a lot of people won't have already.

archvile93:

SuperMse:
And the line between entertainment and advertising is blurred once again. Advertainment, hoooooo!

You want something that's just one giant advertisment diguised as entertaainment? watch The Wizard.

Fixed.

Oooo, don't turn this into a "I hate Kinect" thread please.

I enjoy Oprah (I'm not a regular) but good to see. They're so damn lucky...
Microsoft doing it's thing. (Would it kill to say it's name properly?)

Wow this is painful...."Keenect"

ShadowKirby:

Grow up, accept diversity in markets and in games and enjoy the plentiful games that are still made for you.

My point was that Microsoft is NOT still making plentiful of great games due to clear lack of investment or priority (Bungie leaving). It's also blatantly clear that Kinect has absolutely zero appeal to the platform's established demographic, spending hundreds of millions if not billions overall on a peripheral that is so expensive that your core fanbase has no use for?

As back to Extra Credits, as bad as it would be for Kinect to fail, the onus is not on us to buy shit products from incompetent companies to prop up their bad decisions. We should NOT have to buy a bad and expensive product just to save the wider industry. They point out that developers are torn both ways, I say be loud and clear that we don't care about flailing gimmickry.

Kinect is less a game, its a toy, a novel plaything and almost worthless once the novelty wears off. I have TRIED to see the growth potential with Kinect and there is virtually none, the fundamental problem is the controls are so vague. We will never get a Metal Gear Solid out of Kinect, no Demon's Souls, no Half Life, not even a Time Crisis.

Getting people to move from Kinect to gamepad... how? It'd be almost impossible, that 16-button monstrosity.

I wonder how many units she has for the audience... perhaps...

Over 9000?

Treblaine:
-Delaying major marquee games (Gears of War 3)

Okay back up. How is this one bad? It's not like they said "Hmm, we don't want this game that's going to make piles and piles of money to come out as soon as possible. Let's push it back because we hate money."

The game needed more time to make sure it was the best it could possibly be at launch, and it got it. I'd rather have a great Gears 3 next November than a mediocre Gears 3 next April. Plus, now we're getting a MP beta, which should ensure we're not going to get another Gears 2 in that department.

Seriously man, delaying a game to improve it is the sign of a good publisher. A bad one would rush out a partially broken game.

Treblaine:
I wonder how many units she has the the audience... perhaps...

Over 9000?

And each one of them has a penis.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

I told my friend about this, and this is what he replyed:

"ide walk there and be like
whoa wuts this under ma seat
holy shit
ITS A HUMP BACK WHHHAAAAAIIILL"

Kee-nect, I wonder if Oprah's fans can get off the couch for this.

mjc0961:

Treblaine:
-Delaying major marquee games (Gears of War 3)

Okay back up. How is this one bad? It's not like they said "Hmm, we don't want this game that's going to make piles and piles of money to come out as soon as possible. Let's push it back because we hate money."

The game needed more time to make sure it was the best it could possibly be at launch, and it got it.

Nope.

They said it in the ACTUAL press release when they announced the delay it was for a better sales window.

They want the Winter Season sale of November to January. They said so. It IS all about money.

The game does NOT need another 8 months. They have been working on the game since 2008, live gameplay was shown at E3, it is IN BETA! The game is for all intents and purposes DONE, they are delaying it as otherwise they won't have anything for Christmas 2011. The game should have been released in 2010 (following the pattern of development set by Gears 1 and 2) but Halo Reach.

The origin of the "Needs time for polish" is entirely fan originated, the actual developers said nothing of the sort.

Treblaine:

They said it in the ACTUAL press release when they announced the delay it was for a better sales window.

They want the Winter Season sale of November to January. They said so. It IS all about money.

I'm coming in late to this discussion and I hope you'll forgive me if I'm missing the point, but why would a business make the decision to release a product in a non-optimum sales slot, where it would potentially make them less money? Aren't Microsoft doing exactly what they should be doing to stay successful in that regard?

Is anyone tracking the number of games being released for the PS3 and 360 pre-and-post Kinect/PSMove and their target audiences? Is there really going to be a shortage of 'hardcore' games on the market in the future as the casual/kiddie/family market expands?

-Nick

So...
"Oprah gives away a free Xbox 360 with the Kinect! The crowd goes wild!"

would be the same as:

"Nathan Fillion shows up at your doorstep and gives you a blender! Awesome!"

i saw alot of old women.....
starting my predictotron.......
it forseees them hating this for all the running that will eventually cause some bodily injury

does this mean everyone who shows up at Jons rally gets a xbox and a kinect?

Treblaine:

My point was that Microsoft is NOT still making plentiful of great games due to clear lack of investment or priority (Bungie leaving).

Dude, it's business. Contracts end, things must get moving, deals must be done, etc... And as far as I know there are still good games coming out for XBox 360. At this point what you consider a good games is your opinion and yours alone but let,s not crazy and act like there's not going to be a single FPS released after Kinect is out. The thing's a peripheral, not a new console that forces devs to use it. They can still make a choice as to what they will do with or without it. Sure, business will get involved but like I said, I don't see how expanding the market is a bad thing, unless you fell uncomfortable about your hobby becoming mainstream, just like how some poets were looking at novels with disdain back in the 19th century.

It's also blatantly clear that Kinect has absolutely zero appeal to the platform's established demographic, spending hundreds of millions if not billions overall on a peripheral that is so expensive that your core fanbase has no use for?

Yeah the thing may have a price issue, but with time those kind of things (if there are games to back it up) arranges themselves. Look at the PS3. As for the zero appeal to the established demographic, well no shit. They are putting this out not for the established demographic, but for a wider one that they are courting.

As back to Extra Credits, as bad as it would be for Kinect to fail, the onus is not on us to buy shit products from incompetent companies to prop up their bad decisions. We should NOT have to buy a bad and expensive product just to save the wider industry. They point out that developers are torn both ways, I say be loud and clear that we don't care about flailing gimmickry.

"Flailing gimmickry" made Nintendo a bunch of money. Even that damn Balance Board everyone was laughing about blew everyone out because the damn thing sold a lot.

Kinect is less a game, its a toy, a novel plaything and almost worthless once the novelty wears off. I have TRIED to see the growth potential with Kinect and there is virtually none, the fundamental problem is the controls are so vague. We will never get a Metal Gear Solid out of Kinect, no Demon's Souls, no Half Life, not even a Time Crisis.

So because you cannot see Kinect supporting games YOU like, it is inevitably a failure?

Legion:
I don't care about the Kinect part, but the fact that a couple of hundred women are getting given an Xbox 360 by a mainstream television hostess is promising that people in the media might start opening their damn minds to gaming.

Now if we could just get the media to stop bashing the stuff that isn't exactly family friendly.

OT: Good publicity for the industry and all, but I don't really like motion controls that much, and I hate Oprah, so this is one more reason for me to avoid Kinect. Besides, if I did get another motion controller system (I already own a Wii), it would be the Move, simply because Kevin Butler told me too.

Microsoft bribed Oprah and her fanatic cult. Interesting as it works every fucking time. Despicable but effective. Unless Oprah lost her touch and her cult lost all devotion.

Kayevcee:

Treblaine:

They said it in the ACTUAL press release when they announced the delay it was for a better sales window.

They want the Winter Season sale of November to January. They said so. It IS all about money.

I'm coming in late to this discussion and I hope you'll forgive me if I'm missing the point, but why would a business make the decision to release a product in a non-optimum sales slot, where it would potentially make them less money? Aren't Microsoft doing exactly what they should be doing to stay successful in that regard?

Customers don't like being blatantly exploited. How's this for a sales plan: "Always strive to offer the best to your customer"

People are already fed up of the games drought and how everything stacks up on November, they want a fairly steady stream of games throughout the year. Things only sell better in November due to the retail cycle it is easier to advertise and catch hype at that time.

Customers don't want hype, they want genuine quality.

Is anyone tracking the number of games being released for the PS3 and 360 pre-and-post Kinect/PSMove and their target audiences? Is there really going to be a shortage of 'hardcore' games on the market in the future as the casual/kiddie/family market expands?

Fuck sales units, they are irrelevant to actual QUALITY!

How about the number of games in terms of actual number of different games, how many games would an individual get.

And the thing about Kinect (which hasn't even launched yet) is it's clear Microsoft is cutting back emphasis and money on core games for their established demographics:

-Halo; Bungie leaving completely = handed over to cheap B-team
-Forza; made into kinect "Hurf you can steer with thin air Durf" game
-PGR; Fired Bizzare, the developers of the series
-Rare Games studio; other than haemorrhaging talent since Microsoft bought them, they're also in Kinect duty
-Ensemble Studios; liquidated immediately after finishing Halo Wars

This isn't a short term blip, Microsoft are completely giving up on making core games, maybe hoping to coast on established exclusives though I think they're just following the 'casual gaming = easy money' idea.

Delaying release for Gears 3 is just a way for Microsoft to spread their meagre investment thinner. The right thing to have done would have been to release Gears 3 early in 2011 and have another game ready for Q4 2011, but they don't have another game. Look how much they are blowing on developing casual games for Kinect compared to REAL games with the depth, breadth and content we expect.

Compare and contrast with Sony and the games they are working on (to spite also releasing a major motion peripheral):

Killzone 3
Infamous 2
Gran Turismo 5
SOCOM 4
The Last Guardian
Motorstorm Apocalypse
Resistance 3
LittleBigPlanet 2
Twisted Metal
Ratchet & Clank: All 4 One
Ape Escape 4
Uncharted 3
Echochrome 2
Pixel Junk Shooter 2
Dead Nation
Journey
The Getaway
(also Agent and Yakuza 4 as PS3 exclusives though entirely 3rd party)

No casual frivolous shovelware on this list, this is how you invest and support a gaming platform. While Microsoft is investing in for Xbox 360:

-Gears of War 3
-Fable 3 (but that's getting a PC release)

See what I'm getting at? The next few years for Xbox 360 look to be pretty bad for Xbox owners. Microsoft is selling out, giving up on really interesting and deep games for the lowest common denominator just for the easy casual-money they've seen Nintendo earn.

Only I think they are doing it worse than Nintendo, taking it to a far worse extreme. Nintendo still served their most loyal fans of Zelda and Mario and so on.

But they'll get away with it. For the past 5 years Microsoft has been fucking their users around and still they are content, grateful even.

ShadowKirby:
At this point what you consider a good games is your opinion and yours alone but let,s not crazy and act like there's not going to be a single FPS released after Kinect is out.

...

So because you cannot see Kinect supporting games YOU like, it is inevitably a failure?

1. It takes about 2 years to make a game and the ONLY shooter being made for Microsoft is Gears of war 3, and hence the only exclusive.
Of course there will be shooters, Multiplat shooters but SO FEW published by Microsoft, so few exclusives... so what is the value of the platform? Why should anyone stick with 360 when it comes to multi-plat games when:
-You have to pay for Online (DO NOT give me that bullshit that 360 has "better online")
-Such incredibly unreliable hardware
-Such expensive proprietary peripherals (360 vs PS3 for a 250GB hard drive = $129 vs $35 )
-More and more games are lead on PS3 (Vanquish) and it's showing
-Third parties are staying PS3 exclusive to spite no contracts (3D Dot Game Heroes, Agent, Yakuza 3 + 4, Flight Control HD,

Microsoft seems to want to coast on third party multi-plat games for their core demographic.

Don't you think that's a bit wrong? While all the other platforms (even Wii) invest hugely in making great exclusives for their systems? They should have offered that 400 million to keep Bungie or hire Respawn Entertainment, spend more of getting the great studios and talent than buying a shill slot on the Oprah Winfrey Show.

2. Fail to sell well? No. But will Microsoft sell their fanbase up river for a far more exploitable one? Yes. That is the "fail" you may perceive me talking about. I got an Xbox 360 entirely for it's exclusives now Microsoft has had a firesale of gaming talent, cutting back on those who stay or putting them on shovelware duty with Kinect. Yeah, that's what the Take 10 and Rare are doing, making Kinect games, not the real deep and satisfying to control games.

This is not something that Xbox users can just ignore, as it is Microsoft who is ignoring you. We all made an investment buying an xbox and games for the system, now Microsoft are letting down their end of the deal.

And this is coming at a critical time, when developers are really getting the hang of PS3's graphics hardware Xbox could get left behind. Third parties are more likely to make a game PS3 exclusive just by utilising the Move controls a lot, as the case with so many Wii games.

So...Microsoft wants their new Core audience to be Oprah fans...what a wonderful future Xbox has in store for itself.

Well, at least the Kinect has found its target audience...

Talk about a sell out...

Why are people acting like this is something new on the Oprah show? EVERYTHING they get as gifts was given to them by that company for advertisements.

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