Molyneux: I've Never Made a Great Game

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Well, your games are on the wrong side of "meh", but if you are correcting the mistakes of the first two Fables then you might actually succeed.

Keep on going, big guy; you might not have cracked it yet, but you're still a good thing for the industry.

You have to give the guy credit. He is in it for the people. He wants to truly deliver a solid hit and is constant enthusiasm and showmanship proves his honest drive to produce a quality product to gamers out there. How many developers truly care of the quality of there games as long as sales are coming in. Look at the horrid glitches and cheats Modern Warfare 2 players had to endure due to the game being released with little to no quality control. He cares, he is trying, and most importantly determined to succeed.
I got the privilege to meet him in person at a convention I went to. He promised great quality with Fable 3. He even offered to sign copies of the game to personally sign. Know whether he or his hired lackey actually follow through with "authentic"/duplicate signatures should be interesting. But he seemed to me to actually give a damn about this game and wants badly to please gamers out there spending hard earn money on quality not crap like we have seen this year. Like Kane and Lynch Dog Days, Sniper, and Metroid: Other M to name a few wastes of money spent this year by gamers.

I will forever love him for Dungeon Keeper. What a game! Up there with games like Tie Fighter etc

I can't speak for anyone else, but FABLE (the original) is tied for my favorite game of all time. Definitely in my "top 5"...

Molyneux is the man, though! He can make me buy ANYTHING...and I do mean ANYTHING...I have drank the Molyneux kool-aid, and will buy anything he is associated with!!!

He can at least never be considered a narcassist.

I like how honest he is, and he knews where he wants to be! I can respect that!

Despite his over-active mouth, he is a good man

Logan Westbrook:
Molyneux's willingness to admit to his own mistakes is possibly one of his most admirable traits as a designer, even if he is harder on himself than most reasonable critics ever would ever be. With Fable 3 , which has apparently taken the mistakes of Fable 2 and corrected them, coming out next week, Molyneux might finally get that five million sales he longs for.

I'm pretty sure you misunderstood what he meant xD

Although he came dangerously close to his goal with a game called "Dungeon Keeper".

Edit: Wow no... just clicked the article, I did... he wants to make games like Halo and Call of Duty? xD Well...sympathy points lost... a lot

This is the worst reverse psychology I've seen in years.
Do you all realize what he's doing? He's basically saying all of those who bought any of his games are idiots who bought incomplete products.

The problem is he's defining 'great' as 'triple-A' which idiots define as 'over five million sold'. Molyneux has made great games, it's just that he did so in a time before there were games selling five million units.

Populous, Syndicate, Dungeon Keeper, Theme Park. So that's him inventing the god-game, violent sandbox, playing as the bad guy and Theme Park almost before anyone else did. They were great; it's just that at the time copying was extremely easy and stupid publishers made games too expensive considering the amount of negative value they carried. If you owned a legitimate copy of a game and it broke, you had no guarantee. There was zero chance of million-selling non-console games before cheap CDs and hard drives.

I never liked Fable, but Pete is a standup guy. He's in the business for the games, not for the money. That's always a plus.

I somewhat believe that people will start asking new users "Are you Peter Molyneux?"

Well... Gotta agree with him here. Never really liked his games.

I like Peter Molyneux, he seems like a nice guy. Sure he's weird, but in an endearing way.

Peter, you made Fable: The Lost Chapters. Sure, it took two attempts, but who hits gold on their first swing? That is a great game.

But please, do keep trying. Fable 2 would have been there if it hadn't ended so pathetically, so here's to hope that Fable 3 fixes all of 2's issues. Guess I'll find out Sunday.

I'm sure if he released some games which were multi-platform, then his good games would get to the 5 million mark regardless if they were actually 'great' or not.

Weird. I could have sworn quite a long while ago I was on this guys hate train. Now I'm really starting to like Pete's comments, even the bad ones.

manythings:

Ben Gepfrey:
Fables were good games, they just have some flaws, sooner or later we will have that truly great game.

Any game that ends with a SINGLE moral choice that renders every last thing you did before that irrelevant is not a good game. The fables are bad, bad games.

I've been saying he doesn't make good games for years, I'm pleased he and I are on the same page.

What? Surely a measure of whether a game is good or not depends on the level of enjoyment experienced by the users? Not some arbitrary game flaw. Sure that can affect whether someone enjoys it, but the flaw you mentioned didn't really have an affect on my experience of the games. Speaking as someone who enjoyed the Fable series immensely, I would certainly say that they are not bad, bad games. I'm pretty sure i'm not alone in that opinion either.

OT: This is what I love about Peter Molyneux. While he might promise the world in the run-up to a game, he's the first one to point out it's flaws and that's what let's me forgive his over-enthusiasm.

Isn't this the man who "revolutionises gaming" every ten minutes?

...What have you done with the real Molyneux?

Allow me to say this, I don't think Fable is the best game series around, I don't like Peter Molyneux's constant promise he doesn't deliever on, and I don't feel like purchasing Fable 3 day 1.

That being said, when reflecting on the article and the comments posted, I'll say this, he's a good game developer. He's ambitious, enthusiastic, his own worst critic publicly, willing to move forward (what seperates him from 3D Realms' old boss is that he knows when to release the game rather than just keep adding on), goal-oriented, confidient (and while I originally thought he was over-, it seems from this article he's down-to-earth enough to avoid that), involved, and determined to make a great game.

I did have fun with Fable 1 (partly because I didn't follow any news about it), Fable 2 wasn't a bad game, and I'm willing to say Fable 3 might be a good game, so Peter Molyneux, I'd like to apologize for being a bit harsh on you over the years, and good luck with Fable 3.

I'd say Fable 1 was pretty darn good.

Maybe not great, but a very solid title.

I still stick to my theory that if given enough time, he will one day make a truly amazing game.

Populous, Black & White 2, and Fable 1 will be always good times in my memory...

Our dear lunatic experienced a brief moment of clarity.
It's true he used to make good games back when Bullfrog still existed.

Red Right Hand:

manythings:

Ben Gepfrey:
Fables were good games, they just have some flaws, sooner or later we will have that truly great game.

Any game that ends with a SINGLE moral choice that renders every last thing you did before that irrelevant is not a good game. The fables are bad, bad games.

I've been saying he doesn't make good games for years, I'm pleased he and I are on the same page.

What? Surely a measure of whether a game is good or not depends on the level of enjoyment experienced by the users? Not some arbitrary game flaw. Sure that can affect whether someone enjoys it, but the flaw you mentioned didn't really have an affect on my experience of the games. Speaking as someone who enjoyed the Fable series immensely, I would certainly say that they are not bad, bad games. I'm pretty sure i'm not alone in that opinion either.

OT: This is what I love about Peter Molyneux. While he might promise the world in the run-up to a game, he's the first one to point out it's flaws and that's what let's me forgive his over-enthusiasm.

A single choice that turns you from Jesus Christ into the Devil just because those are the two choices isn't an arbitrary complaint, it's a wholesale betrayal of the rest of the game when you were supposed to be making this hero with their own choices. How did that make any kind of narrative sense? It was something that came about because everyone wanted to go home early that day and they said "Fuck it, that'll do."

I like his enthusiasm, but he needs to know what can be done before he starts confirming that it will be in the game.

well at least he can admit it

He was involved with Bullfrog, wasn't he? If so, he has already made the greatest game of all time with Dungeon Keeper 2!
Other than that, stfu. If you want to make a great game, do it, but don't bitch about your past failures.

So does anyone else see this as a marketing ploy to get people to buy Fable 3 out of sympathy which is ridiculous and unnecessary (but wholly forgivable) considering the fact that Fable 3 looks to be a Fantastic Game and people will buy it and love Mr.Molyneux for it, anyway?...... no? just me?

Well, at least he's set a goal for himself.
In today's gaming market, I can genuinely respect forms of ambition other than "Making Shitloads of Money".

Pete, BNW1 was phenomenal you goon.

BNW2 was above average.

Fable 1 and 2 were above average.

But yeah, you made BNW1 so you get a free pass for life.

I'm somewhat at a loss to think of a single "great" game of the last ten years or so that could really be said to have been spearheaded by a single person. "Civilization" comes the closest, but while every new iteration is more beautiful and refined, it's still the same game that was released in 1991 at a certain fundamental level. Many games bear the trademarks of a particular designer or designers, but few can be said to be "so-and-so's game" from whole cloth.

To be clear, I know that nearly every game that comes out now is the product of a large team. But the number of people who are recognizably thought of as personally responsible for bringing particular games into being remains fairly short: your Warren Spectors, Will Wrights, Sid Meiers, Peter Molyneuxs, American McGees.

Most of the games of the last decade that I think of as "great" are more likely to come from notable teams or companies that particular people. Blizzard, Valve, Looking Glass/Irrational Games, DICE, etc.

Still, far be it from me to dampen Molyneux's ambitions. I think he's at least as likely to pull it off from sheer effort alone as anyone else.

im sure he would get those 5 million sales if he went multi-platform...

In my opinion the Fable series has been very solid, and Fable 2 was an improvement to the first in many aspects, even though a lacking last encounter. (I actually think Peter will remedy that by, I don't know, making your brother turn into a goddamn mech or something in the showdown.) If Peter just keeps doing what he's doing he'll hit gold eventually.

I'm sure that someone would put one of his games on their top five list. Like someone who hasn't played that many games and none in the last ten years or so. He's too hard on himself.

In case you haven't seen me talking my ass off, I love this man. He is so sincere and honest, sure his enthusiasm is curbed in a realistic fashion by the much needed PR training but when you ignore his hype machine, he is a very honest and rather humble man from a certain viewpoint.

CliffyB took the backseat, this guy is my number #1 and will always support and love the Fable Franchise. British comedy and game devoleping at its finest!

Those might be the first words to come out of ole Pete's mouth I actually agree with.

And he never will... his ideas are usually to big to be properly realized. Although in my opinion, he already made some great and fun games, but since his ideas are always 10 step ahead of the practicable he will probably never create THE "Great Game" he always dreams of.

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