Obsidian: Fallout New Vegas Has Bugs Because It's Big

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Every game they make turns out to be like this, why don't they just learn and polish the game more before they release it?

The sad thing about Obsidian is they really need to reform their design team.

I do beleive they could make great games. However, they don't polish. I would also fire the guy that decides the release date.

The thing that could help them is a "It will be released when it's done" approach.

The fact I ran into a bug 5 MINUTES INTO THE MAIN STORY TRAINING MISSION. proves obsidian has no fucking clue about what they are talking about.

The dogs eyes in the tutorial mission bug out and can be seen on the side of his head, just floating.

In just about everyone I talked to, before the hotfix, no one could fight human NPCs because it would make them lag so bad.

Also, all they did was fool around with the engine that has already been made. And in a setting with textures that have already been made. they STILL fucked it up.

They should have done what Bungie did when testing Halo 3 (with a different number of testers of course). Get 30 testers to jump over 100 times in each square foot of the level to check whether the game crashes or not. Jks. But If the game is so huge they should have probably tested it for a extremely long time to make sure there was no bugs. I mean fallout 3 was a pretty good indication of bugs popping up and ruining the players fun (Big Town anyone?).

Edit: I also should add that we should have expected this after the fail that was Alpha Protocol. I really thought that game was going to turn out good.

One question: Why all the Obsidian hate? The game is released 2 years after the previous game, which means work was probably not started on it until about a year and a half to a year ago (which is a quarter of the time it took to make Fallout 3). Do you expect it to be bug free? I find it amazing that they actually managed to have it content complete by this time.

Oh bullhooey. They claimed the same with Fallout 3, yet there's still no official engine patches for the multi-core crashing issues or the memory leaks and random save game corruption on the PC.

The silence from the developers from launch day has deafening.

Also, i dont see myself getting hundreds of hours out of new vegas. Shit, im already done with one play through. The game feels small and empty.

BreakfastMan:
One question: Why all the Obsidian hate? The game is released 2 years after the previous game, which means work was probably not started on it until about a year and a half to a year ago (which is a quarter of the time it took to make Fallout 3). Do you expect it to be bug free? I find it amazing that they actually managed to have it content complete by this time.

Obsidans games, everyone of them. always suffer from the same problems. And seeing as they use like 80% of the same textures as FO3, theres no excuse. The engine was made for them, the textures were made for them, AI and dialogue system was made for them, all they had to do was make it presentable.

No, it has bugs because you're Obsidian, which is in turn developing a game based off of a Bethesda engine...

Look Oblivion is one of my favorite games of all time and I do understand there will be just some bugs you dont catch while trying to deal with every situation. But what makes me think, hmmm, Obsidian has always put out lack luster products, and from what I hear, New Vegas is more buggy than Fallout 3 and Oblivion by far. I really am disliking Obsidian now, they always get huge properties to deal with for some reason, and while they are "ok" none of them are a finished, polished product. I almost think Obsidian is lieing to us about testing it at all, or that they dont even have the technical know how to fix bugs and properly test. Bethesda gave them PLENTY of time to make a great polished product, they already had an engine, all they did was tweek a few things on the core level of gameplay, and added a couple models and textures. From what I understand the story isnt a masterpiece, so whatd they do with all their time? Obsidian, you guys are lame. Take some damn blame for yourself, it makes me think that you guys are better at making excuses and finding a scapegoat, than making a good, satisfying product.

Lord_Gremlin:
Shitheads at Obsidian.

Um have they ever released polish? EVER!

You can't blame them. I mean, they should have caught the more common ones like crashes, but at least they're working on it. It's not like they're just going to leave it and work on a new game.

I figure It was mostly pathfinding. Go to the fallout site seriuosly I'm not a programmer but the very words they use to desribe it could be described as... tedious. As for a delay, when exactly do you want it? Because November is retail sales ground zero (until after the midpoint) It may have been delayed to next year.

I havent played NV yet, though Im lookign forward to it. I think that most of the people complaining have never touched any programing or design software beyond Visual Basics and photoshop. Its difficult, and yes they are proffesionals but even fixing little things like weird joints on models and falling through the floorglitches is really difficult, even if they were found by the testing team I dont blame them for just deciding for the time and effort and expense required its not worth fixing, EVERYTHING has problems in all art forms (asuming games are art) for example if a game isnt photorealistic and perfect you dont see a massive uproar about it because people understand that its not posible on a normal game budget and time given to acheive that, so why do people expect perfect program... Where I start to agree with the angry mob is the major flaws which havent been fixed, like any problem that affects the game further then having to reload an autosave from a few minutes before, I.E. deleting or not reconising saved files, thats a major problem that REALLY pisses me off (I came across it in RE4).

They are admitting there arfe flaws and trying to fix them. Id prefer that then ignoring them and pretending its perfect.

Mcface:

BreakfastMan:
One question: Why all the Obsidian hate? The game is released 2 years after the previous game, which means work was probably not started on it until about a year and a half to a year ago (which is a quarter of the time it took to make Fallout 3). Do you expect it to be bug free? I find it amazing that they actually managed to have it content complete by this time.

Obsidans games, everyone of them. always suffer from the same problems. And seeing as they use like 80% of the same textures as FO3, theres no excuse. The engine was made for them, the textures were made for them, AI and dialogue system was made for them, all they had to do was make it presentable.

And you, my good sir, clearly have no idea what it takes to make a video game. It takes much more than just having an a ready made engine. You have to program the quest structures, the character animations, the weapons, the enemy AI, all the interactive environmental objects, every single character, and every single environment. And that is not nearly as detailed as it could be.

Well, at least New Vegas is less buggy than Morrowind.

FlikViktor:
How bout everyone quit your crying and grow up. If you can't handle some bugs in a game then don't play it. I wanna see these people who cry about the game try and design a game even a quarter the size of New Vegas and see how may bugs you have.

I've done exactly as you said. I've not bought it knowing that Obsidian would not be able to get their act together and release a finished product. I don't know how anyone is shocked, Obsidian have form for this sort of mess. Yes its a big game but things like the save game issues are inexcusable. Lots of people have paid full price for this game so its understandable that there will be complaints when the game turns out to be broken. If I spend £40 I expect the thing to work.

As far as your challenge to make a game myself; it is not my profession, why should I be able to create a game? I can however do my job and would never do half a job, thats not what my employer pays me for. The obsidian guys and girls are paid good money to produce working games. They should be free of obvious and game breaking bugs. There was already a trial run for this game in Fallout 3, most of the textures etc were already in place. I get the feeling Obsidian are not very well managed.

I cant speak for the xbox version, but I've been playing the PC version for 16 hours and I've only had a few issues, none of which were gamebreaking.

ZippyDSMlee:

HeySeansOnline:
You know, this could be accepted, if there was the occasional AI bug, or maybe the physics spinning a ghoul to the moon, but the sheer number of problems seen, no. Oblivion was able to work so when it was released a couple of years ago, and of course Fallout 3 worked, and they had their share of bugs, but they weren't game breaking.

So who wants to have a most hated contest, Bobby Kotick, Jack Thompson, or Obsidian, who do you despise the most?

Quest items and people falling through the map breaking the game is not game breaking? 0-o

Huh, actually never saw that on fallout, saw it on Oblivion, thought it was just my dics scratches. But still Oblivion was the first run at a game of that caliber.

I think it's hard for any game to be released without at least 1 bug, but the excuse that's it's big just sounds too stupid. Surely some of the really game breaking bugs must have been seen. Not only that but some of the bugs from Fallout 3 are still in it. If they weren't already coming up with the patches I would have given up a while ago. Luckily it's a good game.

BreakfastMan:

Mcface:

BreakfastMan:
One question: Why all the Obsidian hate? The game is released 2 years after the previous game, which means work was probably not started on it until about a year and a half to a year ago (which is a quarter of the time it took to make Fallout 3). Do you expect it to be bug free? I find it amazing that they actually managed to have it content complete by this time.

Obsidans games, everyone of them. always suffer from the same problems. And seeing as they use like 80% of the same textures as FO3, theres no excuse. The engine was made for them, the textures were made for them, AI and dialogue system was made for them, all they had to do was make it presentable.

And you, my good sir, clearly have no idea what it takes to make a video game. It takes much more than just having an a ready made engine. You have to program the quest structures, the character animations, the weapons, the enemy AI, all the interactive environmental objects, every single character, and every single environment. And that is not nearly as detailed as it could be.

They had a engine made for them, textures they reused, mechanics they reused, structure they reused, models they reused, weapons they reused.

All of that was done for them. And they still botched it.

How about a combination of the two.
It may have been rushed (particularly the obvious save restore bug Shamus mentioned)
Games of that scale do have bugs, however most games do Beta testing if they are that large.

Still, they could've done better.

FlikViktor:
How bout everyone quit your crying and grow up. If you can't handle some bugs in a game then don't play it. I wanna see these people who cry about the game try and design a game even a quarter the size of New Vegas and see how may bugs you have.

It not really just that the bugs are there. It's that this is a very poor excuse for why they're there. Many of the bugs are painfully obvious (like the save game bug) and should have been easily spotted and fixed before release. It also has the exact same bugs Fallout 3 had two years ago. You think they could've realized that bugs involving the engine they were using would affect them too and headed them off. These aren't super obscure bugs people are talking about like say an ensential NPC not appearing because you chose a specific dialogue option when talking to a specific NPC at 3:08 PM with exactly 353 rounds of 10mm ammo in your inventory while having a specific NPC in a stealth combat stance and wearing Brotherhood of Steel Power armor. These glitches are usually quite common and easy to spot with just a few hours of gameplay. Also, the game crashes way more than it should according to many people, some even every time they gamble.

Fallout New Vegas is Big?

No shit.

If your game doesn't even SAVE properly, the size of the game world is not the cause of your problems. Ineptitude in your QA team is.

I dunno, I'm not completely sure I buy this, Obsidian. If they were bugs that were out of the way, okay. But some of the biggest bugs I hear about are that thing at the very start where a character's head spins, the game eating save files, and the frame rate dropping considerably when you have any NPCs on screen. If tester didn't find those, I'd have to question if they were actually testing the right game.
Although you get points for patching some of this as quickly as possible. Obviously the right strategy for this is to not get the game at launch and instead wait a few months for the patches to come out.

Lord_Gremlin:
InFamous ... playable

That's debatable. I suppose it is playable, if you're a sadist.
And besides, inFamous, Prototype, Saints Row 2, and other games maybe "big" but they are't nearly as big as Fallout New Vegas, so I'm not sure what your point was here anyway.

Yeah, this is definitely not a good excuse. Especially in the case of save files being overwritten by backups. That was soooooooooo annoying when it happened to me. Save bugs should be easily caught and fixed before release.

So, GTA IV was not big?

How about next time a massive game is released that the producers know will have bugs they put in a report feature that gives you a reward every time you report an actual bug.

ok so ive been playing new vegas since release day and have not experienced any bugs at all. today i loaded my game and recieved the update and within 5 minutes of playing my game froze. what the fuck i thought an update was supposed to fix problems not cause them

So far New Vegas is sounding like a typical Obsidian game to me.

Utter rubbish. Bethesda always release buggy games and the fact that it comes on one dvd means that it is actually quite small.

ClassicJokester:

ZippyDSMlee:

HeySeansOnline:

So who wants to have a most hated contest, Bobby Kotick, Jack Thompson, or Obsidian, who do you despise the most?

What? A guy who wants to charge you money for EVERYTHING in a game, separately; a man who tried to destroy video games; and a developer that made a game which is buggier than most. Hmmm.

The quotes are not with you.

HeySeansOnline:
You know, this could be accepted, if there was the occasional AI bug, or maybe the physics spinning a ghoul to the moon, but the sheer number of problems seen, no. Oblivion was able to work so when it was released a couple of years ago, and of course Fallout 3 worked, and they had their share of bugs, but they weren't game breaking.

So who wants to have a most hated contest, Bobby Kotick, Jack Thompson, or Obsidian, who do you despise the most?

Obsidian, hands down. Jack Thompson isn't really relevant any more and was never a serious threat. Bobby Kotick talks a big game, but really, he's just bad at PR and likes money. I see where he's coming from. But I don't understand Obsidian. Are they just bad game developers? Everything they release is buggy and unfinished, even when they get all the tools handed over to them by Bethesda.

HeySeansOnline:

ZippyDSMlee:

HeySeansOnline:
You know, this could be accepted, if there was the occasional AI bug, or maybe the physics spinning a ghoul to the moon, but the sheer number of problems seen, no. Oblivion was able to work so when it was released a couple of years ago, and of course Fallout 3 worked, and they had their share of bugs, but they weren't game breaking.

So who wants to have a most hated contest, Bobby Kotick, Jack Thompson, or Obsidian, who do you despise the most?

Quest items and people falling through the map breaking the game is not game breaking? 0-o

Huh, actually never saw that on fallout, saw it on Oblivion, thought it was just my dics scratches. But still Oblivion was the first run at a game of that caliber.

FO3 on the PC out of the box no patches is a mess.

Oblivion haz caliber? Its almost as bad as a shovel WII waggle game... well... the writing dose keep you half awake...

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