Judge Pulls the Plug on LimeWire

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Judge Pulls the Plug on LimeWire

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A U.S. District Court has ordered LimeWire to stop distributing and supporting its peer-to-peer file-sharing software, ruling that it "intentionally encourages" copyright infringement.

It's been ten years since LimeWire was originally released and it looks like all that unauthorized file sharing has finally caught up to it. Judge Kimba Wood of the U.S. District Court in Manhattan ruled that LimeWire and its creator, Mark Gorton, "intentionally encouraged direct infringement" of copyright and "marketed itself to Napster users, who were known copyright infringers." As a result, the judge ordered LimeWire to disable "the searching, downloading, uploading, file trading...and/or all functionality" of its venerable P2P software.

The LimeWire website now displays a message saying, "This is an official notice that LimeWire is under a court-ordered injunction to stop distributing and supporting its file-sharing software. Downloading or sharing copyright content without authorization is illegal." Nonetheless, Lime Company CEO George Searle said in a separate message on the corporate site that while he's "disappointed with this turn of events," it's not the end of the line.

"During this challenging time, we are excited about the future. The injunction applies only to the LimeWire product. Our company remains open for business," Searle wrote.

"We remain deeply committed to working with the music industry and making the act of loving music more fulfilling for everyone - including artists, songwriters, publishers, labels, and of course music fans," he continued. "Our team of technologists and music enthusiasts is creating a completely new music service that puts you back at the center of your digital music experience. We'll be sharing more details about our new service and look forward to bringing it to you in the future."

But LimeWire and Gorton still face civil trouble from the Recording Industry Association of America, which told the judge that LimeWire costs record labels about $500 million per month - that's right, $500 million per month - in lost revenue. "For the better part of the last decade, Limewire and Gorton have violated the law," the RIAA said in a statement. "The court has now signed an injunction that will start to unwind the massive piracy machine that Lime Wire and Gorton used to enrich themselves immensely."

Sources: CNN, CNET

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Sounds like rubbish to me.

My money says this is overturned pretty quick.

It's about time, but I really doubt it will last.

They earned money on it so obviously they got caught. There is a reason why The Pirate Bay hasn't been taken down.

1 down a million others to go

Not like there's frostwire, bear share, the pirate bay, bee mp3, torrentz unlimited and every other file sharing site.

If they want to stop piracy, don't bring down these companies, because they will find a way to beat the system and it's a waste of money. For every one you kill, 5 more pop up. Change the consumers mindset, stop bands, film companies and game companies trying to fuck with your customers for more money

EDIT: besides, limewire is filled with viruses and spam, not that I would know personally, just from what I've heard...

That is good. LimeWire is such a shady system anyway. When I used briefly many years ago half the files were junk anyway. If it's not overturned then that's good, if it is, well, oh well. I'd never recommend it.
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Don't they realise its the P2P network not a single program thats the problem?, I'd be more interested in shutting down the network it uses because its full of virus's.

redmarine:
There is a reason why The Pirate Bay hasn't been taken down.

They were raided a while back. But there are dozens of other torrent hosting sites that keep popping up when one is taken down. Totally a losing battle.

They seem to like attacking services after they're already irrelevant. Napster, and now Limewire.

I'm perfectly ok with Limewire being shut down. I will admit I used to use it, but 3/4 of it is spam and viruses so I said screw it.

Eh, I stopped using Limewire a long time ago anyway.

Piracy will never end. Really, it won't. Whether it's a song, a game, a movie, or even an entire gaming console, someone will always want it for free, and they'll set up new websites for every one that gets shut down.

Instead of fighting a losing battle with it, just make it irrelevant. Offer package deals on albums, maybe 4 albums for 20 bucks, or 2 for 12 or something along those lines. Encourage people to BUY songs, not pirate them, and bam. You'll still have people who believe they deserve it for free, but they'll be largely irrelevant as you roll around in your stacks of money. The consumers are happy, you're happy, everyone's happy save for the lawsuit-happy lawyer who charges obnoxiously large amounts of cash per case.

Limewire, when I gave it a trial run many years ago was really rather rubbish. The client was annoying and slow, and most of the network was filled with rubbish anyway. I have no idea why it had a heyday lol.

Only surprise is that Limewire didn't kill itself.

AstylahAthrys:
That is good. LimeWire is such a shady system anyway. When I used briefly many years ago half the files were junk anyway. If it's not overturned then that's good, if it is, well, oh well. I'd never recommend it.
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Tell me about. I wanted to download a song there and I got hits for so much porn, much of it containing words like underage, 15 years and so on. Kinda makes me wonder what song I was trying to download thinking back at it...
I don't really think Limewire would last the way it was though. It's mostly for viruses and crappy music, it really was bad for a file sharing system made 10 years ago.

A U.S. District Court can't make it so.

Nice try tho.

Finally. I'm glad it caught it up to them.

SlainPwner666:

Instead of fighting a losing battle with it, just make it irrelevant. Offer package deals on albums, maybe 4 albums for 20 bucks, or 2 for 12 or something along those lines. Encourage people to BUY songs, not pirate them, and bam. You'll still have people who believe they deserve it for free, but they'll be largely irrelevant as you roll around in your stacks of money. The consumers are happy, you're happy, everyone's happy save for the lawsuit-happy lawyer who charges obnoxiously large amounts of cash per case.

There are two problems with this:

1. Is it really fair for the music industry to have to cave in because people are stealing their products? They could very well be losing money (or, at the very least, not making a large enough profit margin to continue) with prices like those. By that logic, the price of every single piece of digital entertainment should be reduced just because it's easy to steal.

2. That probably won't reduce piracy. The mentality of "I don't have enough money to purchase that," is simply replaced with "Well, it's so cheap that I'm not really hurting anyone by downloading it."

In reality, pirates just feel like they should have everything for free. They complain about overpriced products just because there is a lower possible price than what is offered, even if it doesn't make the distributors any money.

They believe that they have a God-given right to enjoy whatever you create for free, even if it means you can't create anything else. Giving up against them is just not an option.

That wont change anything. And does anyone still use LimeWire?

And anyways cant the mucis creators come up with a better way to sell music...I dont know but iTunes works quite well.

AstylahAthrys:
That is good. LimeWire is such a shady system anyway. When I used briefly many years ago half the files were junk anyway. If it's not overturned then that's good, if it is, well, oh well. I'd never recommend it.
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The Gnutella P2P network is where the rubbish is. But with careful checking of the files, you can easily rule out the shit.

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Now where's the instructions that tells us how to participate in some DDoS party in the internet?

500 million $ per month? The moment that was stated, RIAA lost any credibility they had in my eyes(granted they didn't have a lot to begin with after all the negative comments I've seen about them).

To paraphrase Cracked, if the RIAA is correct, then The Pirate Bay is the most successful criminal organization in the history of the world. In other words, they seem to believe that the only way to properly punish piracy is to account for every potential copy of whatever was downloaded, regardless of how many were actually obtained. Apparently TPB owes them approximately eight times the entire net worth of the planet, and I'm not surprised they're pulling the same shit over here.

I haven't been misguided into thinking pirates are the Robin Hoods of the internet, sticking it to the man and all. Piracy is illegal, case closed. No one deserves to lose their home and livelihood because they downloaded a game or an album, however. What with the legal shenanigans the RIAA pulls on a daily basis, they get absolutely no sympathy from me. They're a bunch of money-grubbing bastards who are incapable of thinking in anything other than statistics and lawyerspeak, and the world would be better off without them.

I can agree with the court's logic I suppose and even their intentions, but I can't agree with the ruling. LimeWire just makes it possible to share files on a P2P basis. It still takes a willful act on behalf of the user to leverage this technology for criminal purposes.

Of course, I have never once observed any LimeWire user who has ever used it for anything save copyright infringement. Unless you count pornography which is, often enough, either a copy right infringement in and of itself if not outright illegal depending upon what is being depicted.

Take down the Limewire so people can think about using better programs!

*Suppourts. It was shit anyway.

Doesent Frostwire still exist? Either way, It doesent matter to me. So let the virus sespool i heard it is go down in smoke.

Timbydude:
There are two problems with this:

1. Is it really fair for the music industry to have to cave in because people are stealing their products? They could very well be losing money (or, at the very least, not making a large enough profit margin to continue) with prices like those. By that logic, the price of every single piece of digital entertainment should be reduced just because it's easy to steal.

2. That probably won't reduce piracy. The mentality of "I don't have enough money to purchase that," is simply replaced with "Well, it's so cheap that I'm not really hurting anyone by downloading it."

In reality, pirates just feel like they should have everything for free. They complain about overpriced products just because there is a lower possible price than what is offered, even if it doesn't make the distributors any money.

They believe that they have a God-given right to enjoy whatever you create for free, even if it means you can't create anything else. Giving up against them is just not an option.

No, the reason they should cave is because they are not giving incentive for people to buy their products. If something fails, it's because it sucked, for one reason or another, not because some people pirated it.

Two, pirates don't whine about prices. Get real. Pirates don't give a shit about prices and they never will as long as piracy exists. They may whine about a shitty product even though they've not paid for it, but that's another story.

Piracy is not a variable. It's always there, whether it be a shitty music album or a huge game bundle sold for 1 cent. That alone should give a clue to people that pirates don't give a crap about paying for what they can for free. People who would buy it, will buy it if it's good enough for their standards. Ignoring the fact that many pirates are really active consumers, pirates are not an influence on sales in any way, and I'd even argue the publicity they bring is positive.

And no, piracy is not stealing, because like someone else pointed out, if it were actual stealing, The Pirate Bay would probably have stolen the price of the Internet eight times over. Only one, the moral implication, of piracy stands up to the definition of stealing, which is getting something that's not free without paying for it. The other part is completely not there and unlike stealing, piracy does have arguable positive effects. So stop using that word (in bold, nonetheless >_>, like a true politician) in a petty effort to make yourself look like you're on any sort of moral high ground.

Oh well, stupid limewire gives you very many viruses when loading anyways.

500 Million a month. Seriously, why is the RIAA so dang stupid? THat's probably more than the world spends on music each month, all things added up!

Is anyone else feeling like the primary model of the RIAA now is to simply try to extort possible 'piracy' companies for as much money as possible? Is this what happens when a big company suddenly finds itself obsolete?

I feel like Andrew Ryan, "Make a better product".

Good. Although it does suck knowing that there are tons more sites out there just like and they'll probably never be able to shut them all down, at least they are trying.

Althocke:
Also, before I get targeted, I only download stuff I wouldn't buy anyway. Just bought New Vegas when I could have easily torrented it (though with all the bugs I'm regretting it) where as I torrented Zoo Tycoon 2. Yes it's still illegal, but that's my justification for it.

Sorry but that's not justification. You're still no better than other pirates even though you buy some of your games. If you aren't going to pay for it, you shouldn't get to play it. That's how it works and even if your download wasn't a lost sale like so many companies immediately like to claim, you are still responsible for companies trying more and more draconian DRM in attempts to prevent you from illegally downloading their games for free.

In short, you're a part of the problem and you deserved to be targeted no matter what you weak justification is. Sure companies like EA and Ubisoft are also a part of the problem by making awful DRM, but they still have a right to protect their IPs from people like you and they wouldn't have had to in the first place if you had just not played something you didn't intend to pay for instead of downloading a free copy of it.

tl;dr - Even if you only pirate some stuff, you aren't any better than people who pirate everything. So don't act like you don't deserve to be targeted because you do.

ciortas1:
And no, piracy is not stealing

Yes it is: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/steal
See, it's very simple. Stealing means to take something wrongfully and/or without permission. Hey, guess what, you didn't have permission to download that copy of Super Awesome Fun Game from The Pirate Bay from the owners of that game, therefore you stole it. When are you thieves going to stop with that lame "it's not stealing" line? Anyone who can crack open a dictionary and/or use Google can see how damn wrong you are, so knock it off already.

launching tomorrow: Orangewire! or maybe Grapefruitwire! (name to be decided!)

I noticed this today when I opened it...I was sad...then I just googled the dubstep track I was after.
Anyway...does Frostwire still exist/work?

mjc0961:
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If you really want to get to definitions, piracy isn't 'taking', it's 'copying'. So no, the definition doesn't stand up.

Ooh boy, you called me a thief. Guess what that does to your objectivity.

A: it might be 10 years old but its been at least 5 years since limewire rendered itself irrelevant with its rampant viri, spyware, malware, etc.

B: Most people who are pirating have long since moved onto other means.

C: Assuredly not all of it, but a very large portion of spyware comes from the same companys that complain about piracy. They use the tracking information as market research in order to help sell their producs. So perhaps these people who are crying foul might want to look at their own unsavory practices.

D: All these people who claim all this lost revenue Ive got a little bit of information for you. All these figures that you want to post about how much you loose due to piracy are blatant bullshit. Do you really think that for every one who pirates something that means they WILL pay money for it? Or is it infinitely more likely that they will simply do without it.

E: RIAA, please kindly STFU. Your profit margins are fine, and you have corrupted the music industry as a whole by producing shoddy out of touch material. If you hadnt created a bland generation of watered down music people would likely be infinitely more inclined to purchase what you produce. You screw over the artists who generate this money for you 100 fold more than piracy has ever or will ever do to you to the point that many artists are coming to understand that piracy doesnt hurt them, because they rarely if ever see money from record sales anyway.

Im not an advocate for piracy, but I am staunchly against rampant levels of bullshit. And I have no other words to describe trying to sue a poor to middle class mom being used as an example and beliving a few hundred songs meriting 1$ a piece is justification of a multi million dollar judgement levied against her that will NEVER be paid, one way or another.

Why do people still use this shitty virus filled program to get anything? All I hear from people with fucked computers (which I have to fix) is they use limewire and they got a virus.

Good riddance. LimeWire was just a heap of viruses anyway.

Wow...good thing I dont use Limewire, but my cousin does...heh heh heh...be interested what else is going to pop up in Limewire's place.

Andy Chalk:

But LimeWire and Gorton still face civil trouble from the Recording Industry Association of America, which told the judge that LimeWire costs record labels about $500 million per month - that's right, $500 million per month - in lost revenue."

I'd like to see the maths behind this.

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