Kinect Hacked, Money Won

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Kinect Hacked, Money Won

Only a few days after a reward was offered to the first person to hack a Kinect and make it output data and video to other platforms, it looks like the deed has been done.

On the same day that Microsoft's Kinect hit store shelves, a company called Adafruit Industries offered a $2000 reward to the first person or team to make the device provide "RGB out with distance values" that could be used by other platforms and operating systems. Microsoft wasn't thrilled with the idea, issuing a thinly veiled threat about "working closely with law enforcement and product safety groups to keep Kinect tamper-resistant," but despite that ominous tone it only took about three days for one enterprising individual to get the job done.

An electrical engineer by the name of "AlexP" took the challenge on as a "research project" over the weekend and posted a video of his hack on the NUI Group forum yesterday, showing the device outputting color and depth data to Windows 7. The Adafruit website has yet to confirm that the video is genuine but GamesIndustry claims that "Adafruit representatives were satisfied."

And why go to all this bother? "It's amazing hardware that shouldn't just be locked up for Xbox 360. Its 'radar camera' being able to get video and distance as a sensor input from commodity hardware is huge," Adafruit's Phillip Torrone said in an email to CNET. "We think First Robotics could use this. We think educators could use this. Look at all the cool stuff people did with the Wii remote."

Given AlexP's apparently solid reputation as an engineer and NUI Group administrator, not to mention his earlier work getting the PS3Eye to work with Windows, I can't imagine why he'd bother faking it. Which means that, aside from getting the paperwork straight, all that's left now is to see how Microsoft responds. Could it undertake some kind of legal action against this "tampering?" Will it? Stayed tuned!

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Wait, that's not Our Alex P, is it?

That was..... fast.

Here i thought it would take atleast a week or two.

Erana:
Wait, that's not Our Alex P, is it?

I was just thinking the same thing...

Andy Chalk:
Which means that, aside from getting the paperwork straight, all that's left now is to see how Microsoft responds. Could it undertake some kind of legal action against this "tampering?" Will it? Stayed tuned!

I doubt they'll do anything... I mean what could they do? I don't see it holding up in court at all.

Still I hope to see this implemented in other areas of science ^_^

Dont be a douch, Microsoft. Hes doing it for the bette... actually is there any benefit to doing this? IDK, still cool.

Dear Microsoft

THIS is the reason I would buy a kinect unit, not for stupid kineticmals, but the awesome power of kinect and pc.

If this existed and had software around it I would love a true gesture interface. If would be useful everywhere you had a computer.

If the interface is sensitive enough it can tell which icon you are pointing to...a touchless touch-screen interface.....how freaking cool would that be?

That went quicker than expected..how long until Microsoft actually does something?

What would Microsoft WANT to do? That's the real question. It was hacked to work with Windows, for god's sake. It's a win-win for them.

The purpose behind microsoft's challenge? Hopefully to help improve their products, and can but hope!

Microsoft should be hiring the guy that did this, instead of (probably) suing him. If this brings up one step closer to haptic interfaces, I'm all for it.

Xzi:
What would Microsoft WANT to do? That's the real question. It was hacked to work with Windows, for god's sake. It's a win-win for them.

Well, that is just a stepping stone, from there, it's probably very easy to get it to work on another OS.

Can't say I didn't see it coming. Can't say I see a need to worry about them doing this, either.

Vordi:
The purpose behind microsoft's challenge? Hopefully to help improve their products, and can but hope!

Read again: Microsoft didn't issue the challenge.

rembrandtqeinstein:
If this existed and had software around it I would love a true gesture interface. If would be useful everywhere you had a computer.

If the interface is sensitive enough it can tell which icon you are pointing to...a touchless touch-screen interface.....how freaking cool would that be?

That would be a boon to fingerprint-encrusted kiosks everywhere!

WanderingFool:
Dont be a douch, Microsoft. Hes doing it for the bette... actually is there any benefit to doing this? IDK, still cool.

The company that is sponsoring the contest want to use the technology for unmanned aircraft drones.

crimson5pheonix:

Erana:
Wait, that's not Our Alex P, is it?

I was just thinking the same thing...

So was I.

OT: I'm surprised it too this long.

Wasn't there a mod here called Alex P?

Do they legally have a leg to stand on, if he hasn't actually modified the Kinect in any way?

It would have been funnier if it was one of the "No one can hack it and if you do we will give you lots of money" rather then First hack gets 2k.

Microsoft's likely strategy:

1) Deny/Discredit the contest
2) Seek AlexP, sue him
3) Endure public shitstorm, ignore due to copyright precedent.
4) Depends on 1-3.

There is no profit step. I'm being serious here and don't have time for stupid memes that aren't funny.

Atmos Duality:
Microsoft's likely strategy:

1) Deny/Discredit the contest
2) Seek AlexP, sue him
3) Endure public shitstorm, ignore due to copyright precedent.
4) Depends on 1-3.

There is no profit step. I'm being serious here and don't have time for stupid memes that aren't funny.

1) Say stupid memes aren't funny
2) ????
3) Profit!

Numachuka:

1) Say stupid memes aren't funny
2) ????
3) Profit!

I'm not laughing for some reason.

Tankichi:
It would have been funnier if it was one of the "No one can hack it and if you do we will give you lots of money" rather then First hack gets 2k.

Adafruit are optimists, you can't blame them for that.

Numachuka:

Atmos Duality:
Microsoft's likely strategy:

1) Deny/Discredit the contest
2) Seek AlexP, sue him
3) Endure public shitstorm, ignore due to copyright precedent.
4) Depends on 1-3.

There is no profit step. I'm being serious here and don't have time for stupid memes that aren't funny.

1) Say stupid memes aren't funny
2) ????
3) Profit!

Cool story bro

Atmos Duality:

Numachuka:

1) Say stupid memes aren't funny
2) ????
3) Profit!

I'm not laughing for some reason.

The only reason I said that is because he felt the need to say that there was no "????" step after he had written it.

What's really sad here is the realization of the technology that can be for so much more and what is it being implemented into? Kinect Sports.
Speaking as a gamer I would be the last to say the Kinect was a waste of time in itself, but the fact it isn't being used for anything else is a waste of time.
I applaud Adafruit Industries for willingness to push boundaries. Motion control has been realized and anybody can develop it on their own, but I think the point Adafruit was trying to make here was to slap Microsoft in the face for being so narrow minded when they could be expanding their customer base by porting the Kinect onto the PC.
I mentioned that being a good idea myself. Its uses would expand beyond just gaming to being used for other entertainment purposes as well as business.

Why the hell is Microsoft being so small minded these days?

My dreams of an affordable diy motion capture system is now closer to reality.

And this is why DRM only hurts consumers. Pirates sail round it.

Danzaivar:
Do they legally have a leg to stand on, if he hasn't actually modified the Kinect in any way?

To my understanding he didn't modify the Kinect, he simple found how it worked and received data, and then wrote a program to use it's camera within Windows. So, it's his software with their hardware.

Well done. But I thought I read somewhere else he wasn't doing for the money or not accepting it. Either way, sounds legit to me.

Wow, I bet he gets all the chicks.

tehroc:

WanderingFool:
Dont be a douch, Microsoft. Hes doing it for the bette... actually is there any benefit to doing this? IDK, still cool.

The company that is sponsoring the contest want to use the technology for unmanned aircraft drones.

Cool... and I dont know what else to say about the matter...

Nicely done by AlexP, I'm sure this will be a lot more useful than Kinect for 360. I just have more confidence in the general PC programmer community than Microsoft.
Microsoft has really handled this wrong. They have a great new hardware that's easily cracked and want people to use it for crap like kinect adventures... And then they bitch about it when people actually want to make the Kinect useful.

I want him to put Kinect on the ps3, and make it scan wiimote and numchuck, so I can play super mario galaxy 2 HD, super motion edition

sheic99:

Danzaivar:
Do they legally have a leg to stand on, if he hasn't actually modified the Kinect in any way?

To my understanding he didn't modify the Kinect, he simple found how it worked and received data, and then wrote a program to use it's camera within Windows. So, it's his software with their hardware.

Exactly, so I don't get how Microsoft could try take him to court over it.

This is funny in how trivial it was.

Then again, none of this stuff is as difficult as it used to be.

Wii controller? - Variant bluetooth/HID device. Getting it connected to a PC is trivial, but the data it returns doesn't comply with generic standards, a bit of experimenting was nessesary to get it usable.

Playstation 3 and Xbox controllers both seem to be USB and/or bluetooth. (Xbox controller doesn't even count as a hack, since official windows drivers were always available.)

The Playstation eye? - USB webcam, but it required writing new drivers. That's no different to any other webcam really.

Playstation move - I haven't seen hacks for it yet, but it seems the same old usb/bluetooth thing again.

Kinect - Any guesses here? Probably a USB device, and as a result, it's little wonder it was hacked so quickly.

I mean, I remember getting an N64 controller working with a PC...
That required a custom driver AND a specialised bit of electronics that converted the high speed custom serial signal to a standard PC parallel port...

And seriously, what's microsoft going to do exactly?

Pretty much every gaming device ever has had this kind of hacking done to it, and nobody ever seems to care.

Is microsoft really so desperate that they'd want to be the first major exception?

Look at the video. Look at the output the kinect hardware is producing...

An RGB video feed, and a depth map...
Seriously? That's worth being total assholes about?

All the impressive stuff is down to the image recognition software, not the hardware itself.

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