Gran Turismo 5's Huge Install Can Be Completed As You Race

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Gran Turismo 5's Huge Install Can Be Completed As You Race

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Gran Turismo 5 has a huge install, but Sony has made the effort to reduce its effect on players.

PlayStation 3 games often require that data be installed to the system's hard drive to reduce loading times, and Gran Turismo 5 may be no different. Sony has confirmed that Gran Turismo 5 has quite the hefty install, but the game won't make players wait around before they can jump right into its racing action.

Polyphony Digital's Kazunori Yamauchi previously recommended that players perform a 10GB install for optimal performance in Gran Turismo 5, but Eurogamer says it has been "independently informed" that the install will instead be a still huge 6.4GB. This install can reportedly take 40 minutes or longer to complete.

On the bright side, Sony and Polyphony have implemented a system that doesn't require the install right away. Players can queue up the install as soon as they purchase the game on its new, hopefully final release date of November 24, or they can install the game as they play.

"If users choose not to install the data straight away it will do it in stages as news areas, tracks, etc. are accessed during normal gameplay," Sony said. This is similar to what was done with Metal Gear Solid 4, which installed data for its current chapters as players made progress.

I personally plan to let Gran Turismo 5 install the full data for its over 1,000 cars and dozens of tracks as I play another game on my Xbox 360 just to be a jerk, but it's nice that Sony is providing an option for the more impatient gamer. Gran Turismo 5 has been in development for more than five years, so some racing fans might not be able to bear waiting another hour when the disc is finally in their hands.

Source: Eurogamer

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Consoles and their puny installs. We pc gamers are already used to this, but also Steam let us pre install the game days before it's official release. And kudos for Sony, letting the game install as you play it's a good move, although I'm wondering why this hasn't been a standard for PS3 games already.
If I had a PS3, I'd go and make a sandwich myself while waiting for the 10gb install to finish.

I too plan on letting the full install go. I'll be picking it up after work, so letting it install/patch and then go make dinner.

I'm also an avid PC gamer, so the 40 minute install is nothing new. Waiting for a game to download/install on Steam is usually around that time.

Impatient gamers waited this long for GT5, they can chill out for 40 minutes. But I'm sure there will still be whiners.

Good on them for having the option.

Well installs on a pc don't take 40 minutes, because of the better hardware, more than 256 mb ram etc.
Unless you confuse install with download of course.
But they are a lot more common :D
Too bad i don't have a ps3 i wan't to play it despite not even really liking racing games.

I was more impressed when blizzard introduced streaming to world of warcraft but this is cool too.

Clarification: "Gran Turismo 5 has a huge required install."
The only REQUIRED installation is a mandatory 256MB one. The larger install is completely optional.

Jason Evangelho:
Clarification: "Gran Turismo 5 has a huge required install."
The only REQUIRED installation is a mandatory 256MB one. The larger install is completely optional.

Thanks for clearing that up, seems like they put alot of effort in an optional install then.
You could just play it regulary until you are away for an hour and install it then.

...the install will instead be a still huge 6.4GB. This install can reportedly take 40 minutes or longer to complete.

How does it take that long? A 360 does that exact size install in about 10-15 minutes.

Hmm... I wont be getting this game 'till xmas. (Provided it is out before then.)
I might just get up early xmas morning and run the install and go back to bed. Although i doubt I'll be playing it that day as my brother will be hogging the PS3 with whatever games he gets.

Rusty Bucket:

...the install will instead be a still huge 6.4GB. This install can reportedly take 40 minutes or longer to complete.

How does it take that long? A 360 does that exact size install in about 10-15 minutes.

The BD-ROM Drive is only 2X.

I'm a bit confused, so there will be a mandatory 6.5GB install, but there will also be an optional 10GB install?

Jason Evangelho:
Clarification: "Gran Turismo 5 has a huge required install."
The only REQUIRED installation is a mandatory 256MB one. The larger install is completely optional.

Or as this guy said, will the 6.5GB install be optional? Either way I'm going to install it, I don't see why not.

I'm patiently waiting for Gran Turismo 5, but as I said earlier, I'm concerned that the rush to release this by the holidays will be detrimental to it. Say what you will about the series, it's still a huge juggernaut, and while there's of course going to be those fanatics that stay in line for a week, that will only get you so far.

heh conoles having to install eh?

Zachary Amaranth:

Rusty Bucket:

...the install will instead be a still huge 6.4GB. This install can reportedly take 40 minutes or longer to complete.

How does it take that long? A 360 does that exact size install in about 10-15 minutes.

The BD-ROM Drive is only 2X.

Holy shit, really? Never realised. Why is it that slow?

40 minutes to install 6.4gb? Why?

I don't own a PS3, but I've installed plenty of games on my PC. Never has it taken 40 minutes to install 6.4gb.

Edit: I feel stupid, the question was answered right above my post...

Rusty Bucket:

Holy shit, really? Never realised. Why is it that slow?

Because BD drives were expensive at the launch of the PS3.

I am confused, why does it take so long? A install size on a 360 will take maximum of twenty minutes. 50 minutes is really pushing it!

ps3 install times are so retarded.
Theres really no reason to own one for me. it just collects dust unless i want to watch a movie with the girl, even then we never spend the extra 5 dollars for blu-ray

SupahGamuh:
Consoles and their puny installs. We pc gamers are already used to this, but also Steam let us pre install the game days before it's official release. And kudos for Sony, letting the game install as you play it's a good move, although I'm wondering why this hasn't been a standard for PS3 games already.
If I had a PS3, I'd go and make a sandwich myself while waiting for the 10gb install to finish.

Once again, someone has already beat me to my initial reaction, right there in the very first post. While I was reading it, I was thinking, "Meanwhile, back on my PC, TFU had a 30 GB install..." I wish it had only taken 40 minutes, though. Grabbing that at 140 kB/s (hooray for DSL) took more than just making a sandwich to pass the time. It was easily at least two or three whole sandwiches. Did I say sandwiches? I meant days.

(And for a pretty mediocre game, too. At least it was marked way down on sale, so it was fun enough to be worth the low price, but not so much the bandwidth.)

Zachary Amaranth:

Rusty Bucket:

Holy shit, really? Never realised. Why is it that slow?

Because BD drives were expensive at the launch of the PS3.

I think it's because of the architecture of the BD is a bit different than that of a regular DVD or CD, rather than how fast it loads.

The architecture of a CD lets data transfers 150 KB/s @ 1x speed, a DVD loads 1.35 MB/s @ 1x speed and a BD loads 4.5 MB/s @ 1x speed.

It may not sound that impressive, but belive, that's quite a lot and considering the massive size of a single BD, it's completely understandable that the game requires mandatory installs for it to load faster, it's almost as if every single PS3 game you're buying has the same size of a Hard Drive Disk.

Also, let's not forget that it's the very first system using the BD technology and maybe in the future that speed may increase significantly. CDs max speed now is at 72x, DVD's max speed right now is at 24x and BD's max speed right now is 12x (using a BD burner on a PC).

I hope this doesn't turn into another Lair or Haze. I love racing games. Need for Speed, Forza, GRID, DIRT, and Project Gotham Racing have always been my favorites. Just hope GT ends up on that list too.

I'm still not a big fan of forced install. I only have a 360 and only have a 20GB hard drive at school. A forced install of that nature would limit my game hopping to about 3 games at a time... not pleasing

Dioxide20:
40 minutes to install 6.4gb? Why?

I don't own a PS3, but I've installed plenty of games on my PC. Never has it taken 40 minutes to install 6.4gb.

Clearly you've never tried installing Battlefield 2 on your PC. That alone takes an hour and a half. Never mind the shit ton of patches.

I'd rather just have it sit there and install the thing in one go. I hated that crap in MGS4 where you had to wait for the install between sections. Sure it was only 2-3 minutes, but I never understood why we couldn't just opt to install all of them at once so we could just keep playing.

Good, I liked it when Halo 2 did it, and I will probably like it when GT5 does it.

SupahGamuh:
Also, let's not forget that it's the very first system using the BD technology and maybe in the future that speed may increase significantly.

that's why I said it was expensive, not that it was impossible. BD Drives of 4X were already commercially available around the time of the PS3, but that would have made it even more prohibitively expensive or would have required Sony to go even more in the hole. Standalone BD players were going for like 1200 at the time, and while people bought them, a PS3 that went for more would have tanked instantly.

And yes, I know BD read speed is faster (base), but when you're dealing with 12X on DVD vs 2X on BD, it's still 16 Megs a second to 9. Almost double the data transfer.

There still seems to be some discrepancy, since I've never seen a 7 GB (I'm rounding up for convenience) game take 20 minutes for a full install on a 360. For a reported 40+ minute wait, you would expect that to be the rough analogue.

Games do seem to install a touch slower on the PS3, though, so there may also be another mitigating factor. Still, almost twice the trasnfer speed is a big chunk of why it takes longer on the PS3.

That being said, it will change by next gen and BD will be an awesome medium. The big problem is that the next gen may be as much as five years off, so unless Sony lets us swap drives, we're stuck with the 2X from launch.

SupahGamuh:
Consoles and their puny installs. We pc gamers are already used to this, but also Steam let us pre install the game days before it's official release. And kudos for Sony, letting the game install as you play it's a good move, although I'm wondering why this hasn't been a standard for PS3 games already.
If I had a PS3, I'd go and make a sandwich myself while waiting for the 10gb install to finish.

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Seems to me the method they are using is more like Fallout 3. Or at least that how all games should be. With a small initial instillation then it continues to install as you play the game more and more.

Good to know the 40 minute install is optional. Personally, I'm going ahead with the install. I still can't believe its releasing in less than a week.

gaahhh why do you tease me to buy your console sony??

meh... I waited through MGS4 I can wait through this. And if I can't that's why I have Battlefield

Skopintsev:

Dioxide20:
40 minutes to install 6.4gb? Why?

I don't own a PS3, but I've installed plenty of games on my PC. Never has it taken 40 minutes to install 6.4gb.

Clearly you've never tried installing Battlefield 2 on your PC. That alone takes an hour and a half. Never mind the shit ton of patches.

Steam install, took about 20 minutes, but I'm not sure that counts. You can't factor in patches, as GT5 won't install patches while you are installing to the PS3 hard drive.

Zachary Amaranth:

SupahGamuh:
Also, let's not forget that it's the very first system using the BD technology and maybe in the future that speed may increase significantly.

that's why I said it was expensive, not that it was impossible. BD Drives of 4X were already commercially available around the time of the PS3, but that would have made it even more prohibitively expensive or would have required Sony to go even more in the hole. Standalone BD players were going for like 1200 at the time, and while people bought them, a PS3 that went for more would have tanked instantly.

And yes, I know BD read speed is faster (base), but when you're dealing with 12X on DVD vs 2X on BD, it's still 16 Megs a second to 9. Almost double the data transfer.

There still seems to be some discrepancy, since I've never seen a 7 GB (I'm rounding up for convenience) game take 20 minutes for a full install on a 360. For a reported 40+ minute wait, you would expect that to be the rough analogue.

Games do seem to install a touch slower on the PS3, though, so there may also be another mitigating factor. Still, almost twice the trasnfer speed is a big chunk of why it takes longer on the PS3.

That being said, it will change by next gen and BD will be an awesome medium. The big problem is that the next gen may be as much as five years off, so unless Sony lets us swap drives, we're stuck with the 2X from launch.

yea sony was taking a huge hit when the ps3 came out that blu ray drive cost a fortune to cram in the thing, even base line cheap blu ray players cost 600+ dollars when the ps3 launched. so it is understandable that no company on earth would cramp a 1200 or 1400 dollar 4 or 6 x state of the art br drive into their 499 dollar console box, sony was already hemmoraging cash from the ps3 just due to the cost of the components period.

so while it is a easy ZOMG sony SUX why did they not put a 12x br drive in it!? stupid lame ass ps3 install times, troll posts. on paper it is clear as day way they had to put a 2x drive in.

alot of game are skipping the install anyway on ps3 anymore, and i guess it remains to be see how the micro load system works, i mean if it is 20 to 30 seconds faster load per track and a dozen seconds faster load per car well hells yea full install is the way to go look out my poor 40 gig ps3 drive its time to do some spring cleaning, pre christmas. if it is a few seconds here and there well then i would be more inclined to just skip the install entirely and just think about jessica alba or something along those lines while the thing took a bit longer to load various bits and pieces.

and i think it will be a definate skip the day i get the game if anything that will be play gt5 till my eyes bleed the moment i get home, set the thing to install while i pass out for sleep.

This is a neat idea but I would simply wait for it to install. Damn this game looks awesome and I'm not even a big racing fan.

mjc0961:
I'd rather just have it sit there and install the thing in one go. I hated that crap in MGS4 where you had to wait for the install between sections. Sure it was only 2-3 minutes, but I never understood why we couldn't just opt to install all of them at once so we could just keep playing.

Because those install screens were fackeen oresome.

LegendaryGamer0:

mjc0961:
I'd rather just have it sit there and install the thing in one go. I hated that crap in MGS4 where you had to wait for the install between sections. Sure it was only 2-3 minutes, but I never understood why we couldn't just opt to install all of them at once so we could just keep playing.

Because those install screens were fackeen oresome.

The weird thing about the MGS4 installs is that you have to keep doing them on subsequent playthroughs. The data doesn't seem to stay permanently installed. And if you're loading a save from a different Act, that Act has to install.

Personally, I don't mind the wait. I understand that it is going to take it a while but I think it is worth it. I know that the 360 owners are shitting themselves in glee the matter that they don't have to worry really about installs but hey I'm just going to stick with it for the moment.

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